Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are sam lister, deputy Political Editor of the daily express, and Broadcaster David davies. Good to see both of you, thanks for being with us this evening. Lets bring you what the first editions of the papers are saying so far. The guardian reports that borisjohnson will tell mps the Health Care System is in crisis, and cannot be expected to recover alone. The Prime Minister faces growing rebellion over potential rises to tax, ahead of Tomorrows Announcement on how englands social Care System overhaul and tackling of the Nhs Backlog will be funded. According to the telegraph, the Prime Minister is expected to reveal that national insurance will be increased by around 1. 25 , in a move that could generate £10 billion for the nhs. The paper says this will first be used to tackle the Nhs Backlog caused by the pandemic before funding Social Care. Revealed Plans For Octoberfirebreak reads the headline on the I A Senior Government Scientist has told the paper of potential Government Plans for an extended Half Term Holiday and potential restrictions in england, to tackle rising Hospital Cases of covid. On the front page of the metro a woman whos won £180,000 in a landmarkjudgment, after she claimed her boss refused to let her work a four Day Week or Leave Work early to collect her baby from nursery. Alice thompson, an Estate Agent in london, claimed Sex Discrimination at the Employment Tribunal. And the financial times is running a story on demands from regulators for more powers to challenge risky cryptocurreny ventures. The chair of the financial Conduct Authority warns that some dubious schemes promoted online mean vulenerable people are at risk ofjeopardising their financial futures. So, sam and dave, sam, do you want to kick us off with the telegraph, first of all . This has the potential to turn into quite a significant political battle. It to turn into quite a significant political battle. To turn into quite a significant political battle. It is huge, and as weve seen. Political battle. It is huge, and as weve seen, this political battle. It is huge, and as weve seen, this problem political battle. It is huge, and as weve seen, this problem has political battle. It is huge, and as i weve seen, this problem has been around for probably the last 20 years, and the government has struggled to find a way through it. Obviously it wont be much easier for borisjohnson, whose backbenchers are already making it very clear that he will face a really tricky ride to get it past them. The Chancellor Rishi Sunak has been out tonight trying to win those over who are concerned. But by putting up national insurance, you are breaking a Manifesto Commitment and thats quite a difficult thing for tory mps to go and tell voters next time around. Its a tricky position for everyone, i think, to try to sell this one. find Position for everyone, i think, to try to sell this one. Try to sell this one. And david, its the old try to sell this one. And david, its the old problem, try to sell this one. And david, its the old problem, as try to sell this one. And david, its the old problem, as well, i try to sell this one. And david, its the old problem, as well, about how you define fairness do you use national insurance, which is disproportionately affecting obviously people of working age, because once you hit 66, you dont pay it equally people under hiring do better under a system like that, and lots of forms of Wealth Wont be affected by it. 0thers and lots of forms of Wealth Wont be affected by it. Others say it is quite a simple way of collecting it if you do it through the workplace. I think weve got some problems with your line, david. We will come back to you. Your line, david. We will come back to ou. ,. � � your line, david. We will come back to ou. ,. , � �. , to you. You at the bbc have been considering to you. You at the bbc have been considering all to you. You at the bbc have been considering all the to you. You at the bbc have been considering all the options. To you. You at the bbc have been | considering all the options. Thats stran. E, considering all the options. Thats strange. We considering all the options. Thats strange, we have considering all the options. Thats strange, we have a considering all the options. Thats strange, we have a really considering all the options. Thats strange, we have a really bad considering all the options. Triat� s strange, we have a really bad delay, we will sort that out with david. Sam, on this question of fairness, how do you think the Prime Minister will tackle that one . Will tackle that one . Well, it is really tricky will tackle that one . Well, it is really tricky and will tackle that one . Well, it is really tricky and lots will tackle that one . Well, it is really tricky and lots of will tackle that one . Well, it is| really tricky and lots of people, including the conservatives, have been raising this issue about how it is unfair to tax younger, poorer workers to protect the houses of the wealthy. I suppose the thing is actually, theres quite a few people in the middle ground here, its not all about wealthy homeowners and property millionaires in london. Certainly i think most people probably know of elderly relatives who have scrimped all their lives to have a property and seated all strain away. That has an impact on the whole family, Notjust Strain away. That has an impact on the whole family, not just the people involved. So there is a way to sell it that way, but i think any time you put up taxes, its always a tricky Cell Stop i suppose ultimately though, voters understand that Social Care has to be sorted out, and ultimately i suppose the p. M. Out, and ultimately i suppose the pm. Is saying, i will level with you, we will have to charge people more to resolve this, its taken 20 years to even get to this Point And Somebody will have to pay somewhere. David . We still havent got you, ill stick with sam. Sorry, we are still patching it through, we will get david back. The guardian suggests that one way they might do it is by talking about a crisis in health care. But thats also risky for the p. M. Because conservatives, or at least a conservative dominated administration has been in charge of this country for the last 11 years. Exactly, its an open goal for labour to say you cant. I think the Prime Minister would say, look, for the 75th Anniversary of the nhs, they put in significant amounts of money, and obviously during the covid crisis, theres been extra funding to pay for that. But obviously we all know that there is a backlog for more minor treatments, anybody whos trying to get a Gp Appointment for anything more minor will understand that theres Waiting Lists and Day Surgery in hospitals. Im sure voters on the whole will understand that the government didnt expect this crisis, and extra money will have to be found. I think the problem is with this plan, it seems to be that initially, this extra money will go towards funding this backlog in the nhs, and then it supposedly will be diverted into Social Care. I think you will have quite a job to wrestle that money back off the nhs in two years time. Itll be quite a miracle if all the backlogs and problems disappeared and he could certainly say, right, 0k, weve got everything sorted, lets put them money into Social Care, itll be a funny nightmare. Its a danger of trying to kick the can down the road, which is part of the problem with Social Care anyway. The social Care System was supposedly established at the same time as the nhs, and i remember the phrase in history books, how did you win over the doctors . By stuffing their mouths full of gold. How did you win over local authorities and councils . By telling them they could keep Social Care and that wouldnt be a national system, it would be local and they would have control over it. But the funding has never matched that aspiration. David, if hes listening, we are trying to get the line back up, our apologies, we are not sure if its our end, your end, ora are not sure if its our end, your end, or a combination. Are not sure if its our end, your end, ora combination. But are not sure if its our end, your end, or a combination. But dont go to bed just yet if you dont mind, david, and ill stick with sam for now and theyll tell me as soon as we got you back. Sam, the i has an interesting story. Not a great surprise, but to have somebody put it in print, risking their journalistic reputation by saying the plan to replace for an October Fire break what are they saying . The i have been told by a Government Scientist, an adviser, rather, that the country is to be put back into a Fire Break over the half term because there is a fear that we will just be in this extended peak of infections, around one and five under 40s arent vaccinated, and theres a fear that as we go into theres a fear that as we go into the colder weather and to, you know, we traditionally get that surge of infections anyway, that covid will mirror that traditional flu pattern. And you do have that old problem then. So to extend that, theyre putting in place these emergency patterns, apparently, to have a Fire Break emergency powers. Im sure many people will be very depressed at that thought. At that thought. David, youre back and im at that thought. David, youre back and im sorry at that thought. David, youre back and im sorry about at that thought. David, youre back and im sorry about that, at that thought. David, youre back and im sorry about that, good at that thought. David, youre back and im sorry about that, good to l and im sorry about that, good to have you. Youll have to hold your thoughts on Social Care and the nhs for the next review, and those who want to say it is a good incentive for staying with us for another hour. But talk us through your take on this october hour. But talk us through your take on this 0ctoberfire hour. But talk us through your take on this October Fire break idea. Hour. But talk us through your take on this 0ctoberFire Break idea. I on this October Fire break idea. I mean, anyone who thinks that the worst mean, anyone who thinks that the worsl of mean, anyone who thinks that the worst of covid is over certainly wont worst of covid is over certainly wont be worst of covid is over certainly wont be reassured by this story, will they . Wont be reassured by this story, will they . This senior Government Scientist will they . This senior Government Scientist will they . This senior Government Scientist my goodness, theres a lot of scientist my goodness, theres a lot of them scientist my goodness, theres a lot of them around, arent there they lot of them around, arent there they seem lot of them around, arent there they seem to be talking about if cases they seem to be talking about if cases are they seem to be talking about if cases are overwhelming the nhs in the winter. Cases are overwhelming the nhs in the winter, this and that will happen the winter, this and that will happen. We are told gps its funny, happen. We are told gps its funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i said funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i said to funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i said to him, what you think about and i said to him, what you think about the and i said to him, what you think about the third jab for people . It comes about the third jab for people . It comes as about the third jab for people . It comes as no surprise to me that the decisions comes as no surprise to me that the decisions will soon be taken on the Extent Decisions will soon be taken on the extent of decisions will soon be taken on the extent of the third jabs that will be given extent of the third jabs that will be given to people over 70, let alone be given to people over 70, let alone this be given to people over 70, let alone this coming and going over the issue alone this coming and going over the issue of alone this coming and going over the issue of 12 alone this coming and going over the issue of 12 to 15 year olds, which in America-issue'>America Issue of 12 to 15 year olds, which in America-issue'>America Issue of 12 to 15 year olds, which in America im lucky enough to have in America im lucky enough to have a in America im lucky enough to have a younger daughter who lives in America have a younger daughter who lives in America have a younger daughter who lives in America shes actually quite astounded by the fact that, having had such astounded by the fact that, having had such a astounded by the fact that, having had such a good lead in terms of people had such a good lead in terms of people who are having their injections and jabs, we havent followed injections and jabs, we havent followed that through with the younger people, which they have in many younger people, which they have in many states in the united states. Im many states in the united states. Im struck many states in the united states. Im struck by the figure on the front of the i, david, that says that a fifth of those under a0 have still not even had their firstjab. Im amazed, im also amazed by that. Im amazed, im also amazed by that. Im slightly im amazed, im also amazed by that. Im slightly in im amazed, im also amazed by that. Im slightly in that category, which you may im slightly in that category, which you may have seen some criticism over you may have seen some criticism over the you may have seen some criticism over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, as over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, as well, bleeding from some seen that, as well, bleeding from some people in government saying, will the some people in government saying, will the broadcasters stopped publishing these Figures Day after day, after day . Which scares people. Day, after day . 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Therefore presumably if restrictions come in and if they go as far as to say to some businesses that they cant have customers in or they have to change how they work again, again itll be hit for some companies who are on the edge of where they can Carry On or not. flit are on the edge of where they can Carry On or not Carry On or not. Of course it is. Peole Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget the Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget the early Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget the early days i Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget the early days of Carry On or not. Of course it is. People forget the early days of the covid people forget the early days of the Covid Epidemic we talked about the Balance Covid Epidemic we talked about the balance between health and the economy, thatll come back with a vengeance economy, thatll come back with a vengeance. Just at the moment, the furlough vengeance. Just at the moment, the Furlough System will supposedly be brought Furlough System will supposedly be brought to an end, and one wonders the price brought to an end, and one wonders the price that will be paid if some of these the price that will be paid if some of these depressing forecasts have to he of these depressing forecasts have to be implemented. Of these depressing forecasts have to be implemented. David, lets move on to the metro. To be implemented. David, lets move on to the metro, this to be implemented. David, lets move on to the metro, this is to be implemented. David, lets move on to the metro, this is to be implemented. David, lets move on to the metro, this is the on to the metro, this is the figure seems quite impressive for this Employment Tribunal victory. An Estate Agent, a woman who had some problems with her employer over what she felt was reasonable requests for absences because of childcare. Yes. Absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed, absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed. And absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed. And it absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed, and it is absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed, and it is a absences because of childcare. Yes, indeed, and it is a hugely significantjudgment. It would significant judgment. It would appear significant judgment. It would appear to significantjudgment. It would appear to me that it has come from an Employment Tribunal in Central London an Employment Tribunal in Central London there in the strand, i think. This woman london there in the strand, i think. This woman was basically refused permission to Leave Work early to collect permission to Leave Work early to collect her permission to Leave Work early to collect her baby from nursery, and the tribunal collect her baby from nursery, and the tribunal has ruled that making her work the tribunal has ruled that making her work until 6pm the time at which her work until 6pm the time at which most her work until 6pm the time at which most nurseries are closed or are being which most nurseries are closed or are being closed putter at a disadvantage in her life. So my learned disadvantage in her life. So my learned friends, as ever, willjoin on that learned friends, as ever, willjoin on that stop what i dont know how tribunals on that stop what i dont know how Tribunals Award or decide on the money Tribunals Award or decide on the money that they award in these circumstances, and i wonder if its on the circumstances, and i wonder if its on the high end because. We circumstances, and i wonder if its on the highend because. Circumstances, and i wonder if its on the highend because. We are told she. On the highend because. We are told she they on the highend because. We are told she they are on the highend because. We are told she. They are higher on the highend because. We are told she. They are higher than on the highend because. We are told she. They are higher than they she. They are higher than they would be if she was working for another Estate Agent in the country. But the principle is interesting, and what she says she says she took them to an Employment Tribunal took them to an Employment Tribunal to ensure her daughter does not have the same experience when she is older. � ,. ,. The same experience when she is older. � ,. ,. , the same experience when she is older. � ,. , older. Theres so much to pick throu~h older. Theres so much to pick through in older. Theres so much to pick through in this. Older. Theres so much to pick through in this. I older. Theres so much to pick through in this. I always older. Theres so much to pick through in this. I always understood it that companies have to consider reasonable requests, then come up with a reason as to why they say yes or no. And clearly the tribunal felt that the company hadnt