With me in the studio is bbc health editor, hugh pym. Here in the uk, covid has quietly slipped down News/News-programme'>News Programme running orders. During the summer, Newspapers and News/website-front'>Website Front pages have had other headlines olympic and paralympic glory, and of course afghanistan. It was scotland s News/first-minister'>First Minister who brought us up sharp, tuesday, when she told the News/scottish-parliament'>Scottish Parliament that cases had increased by 80 in a week. Scotland has just recorded its highest News/daily-rate'>Daily Rate of infections since the pandemic began. Pupils reTurned to school in mid august. Will other parts of the uk now experience a similar rise in cases as the term begins there . Perhaps mindful of the anger on display in News/city-streets'>City Streets in a country like australia, uk political leaders say they don t want to lockdown again, so what sort of winter awaits here in the northern hemisphere, and can the global south expect some relief . First of all, looking at the uk, what are the statistics telling us at the moment . What sort of picture is emerging about covid now we have endured that dealt variant for quite a few months . Endured that dealt variant for quite a few months . Well, News/case-number-sr'>Case Number Sr is essentially a few months . Well, News/case-number-sr'>Case Number Sr is essentially fairly a few months . Well, News/case-number-sr'>Case Number Sr is essentially fairly flat. A few months . Well, News/case-number-sr'>Case Number Sr is essentially fairly flat. They a few months . Well, News/case-number-sr'>Case Number Sr is essentially fairly flat. They are is essentially fairly flat. They are not going up dramatically or falling sharply in the uk, and that is. When schools have gone back, as we have just noted, apparently, when schools have gone back, as News/we-havejust'>We Havejust noted, apparently, the reason for increases there. In england, and other parts of the uk, schools have been going back in recent days and into next week and beyond. So, the key thing is how that may or may not change case numbers. �. , , that may or may not change case numbers. �. ,. , numbers. And there has been a decision on friday, numbers. And there has been a decision on friday, or numbers. And there has been a decision on friday, or at numbers. And there has been a decision on friday, or at least l numbers. And there has been a decision on friday, or at least News/aj-decision'>Aj Decision on friday, or at least a decision on friday, or at least a decision to look further at the evidence for vaccinating children, at least teenaged children, but what is the thinking behind that . There is the thinking behind that . There is a really important is the thinking behind that . There is a really important decision is the thinking behind that . There is a really important decision by l is a really important decision by the uk, the expert committee, the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation, independent, was asked to say what are the benefits and risks of vaccinations for 12 15 year olds. And they have come up with a rather qualified conclusion, which is that the News/health-benefits'>Health Benefits marginally outweigh the risks, but they are not going to go any further than that. In the past, they have given the thumbs up to 16 and News/17-euros'>17 Euros and other groups before that. So the result of that is that the uks News/chief-medical-officer'>Chief Medical Officer as well now have to draw up their guidelines for parents and families in different parts of the uk. So i rather a strange Turn there, given that in the us, for example, france and canada, they have gone in i had with injecting 12 year olds a while ago. So it shows that there is still quite a lively debate on whether it is a good idea. I quite a lively debate on whether it is a good idea quite a lively debate on whether it is a good idea. I want to come back to the question is a good idea. I want to come back to the question of is a good idea. I want to come back to the question of further is a good idea. I want to come back to the question of further doses forj to the question of further doses for people who have been vaccinated already, because that is quite a lively debate in this country and others. Let me ask you first of all about the picture in continental europe. Have they overcome the early difficulties in terms of vaccinating their populations . Difficulties in terms of vaccinating their populations . Well, they have. It was a their populations . Well, they have. 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Thank you very much. Captured in the eerie News/green-glow'>Green Glow of military night vision, like a ghost not a soldier, major general News/chris-donahue'>Chris Donahue climbed aboard a us airforce c17. For all the jeering from News/joe-biden'>Joe Biden s critics, midnight monday in News/kabul-didn'>Kabul Didn News/t-look'>T Look like the fall of saigon. After all, this News/wasn-t'>Wasn T the repudiation of a decades long us strategy, as The End of the News/vietnam-war'>Vietnam War has been, but the coda to an engagement which began thousands of miles away above the streets of manhattan, the pentagon and a field in pennsylvania. That anniversary, 9 11, will be marked for the News/20th-time'>20th Time next saturday. As americans and others look to their grief, what awaits the people of afghanistan . 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I am glad you asked me that, sean, western countries . I am glad you asked me that, sean, and western countries . I am glad you asked me that, sean, and not western countries . I am glad you asked me that, sean, and not further developments on afghanistan can i would refer to our two colleagues on that. I think i may ask and it would be hugely valuable to the nhs, which for decades really almost since it was founded has needed doctors, nurses and other staff from other parts of the world, and they have greatly enriched the nhs and provided great service and skills. The general medical council, the main regulator has to look at the qualifications and verify that they are suitable and that the qualifications match up what is required in the uk. 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I will be watching out for that step i do think All Of Us who work in broadcasting as well will be watching to see whether or not the advertisement of the younger versions of their selves still singing the same and looking like they did 40 years ago works out. We all live in hope for that. Dateline london back at the same time next week. From All Of Us, goodbye. Hello. After bring stuck in a rut for quite some time, the weather will begin to change this weekend. Lets Take A Look at The Big Picture its all to do with this areNews/a-of'>A Of high pressure which is slowly moving away eastwards. As that happens, we begin to draw in something warmer and brighter, gradually by sunday, into england and wales whereas at the same time in scotland northern ireland, theres a chance of seeing some rain to end the weekend. But until then, its as you were that means a good deal of cloud around, as there will be getting into tonight. Some clear spells in parts of wales and southwest england, could be 1 2 News/mist-and-fog'>Mist And Fog patches. Elsewhere, a lot of this cloud is low, meaning its foggy on the hills, and theres some patches of light News/rain-and-drizzle'>Rain And Drizzle here and there, as well, with most places keeping temperatures just into double figures. So itll be a rather grey start to saturday and, for many, itll stay that way. There will be a few sunny spells coming through that cloud, perhaps into northern scotland, northern ireland, more especially towards wales and southern counties of england, especially into the southwest. The flow of air still coming in towards the News/north-sea-coast'>North Sea Coast will keep temperatures a little lower here than elsewhere, particularly coastal parts of eastern News/scotland-and-northeast'>Scotland And Northeast england into the mid teens whereas elsewhere, if you get to see some sunshine, youre just into the low 20s. The thickest cloud, again, during saturday, brings a chance of seeing some drizzly Light Rain in places. Staying largely fine, then, into News/saturday-evening'>Saturday Evening then on sunday, for part two of the weekend, the gradual change is under way way. Brightening up more readily in england and wales, though there will still be some parts of eastern england that stayed quite cloudy. Itll Turn a bit warmer here whereas for scotland and northern ireland, increasing cloud towards the News/north-and-west'>North And West in particular, seeing we see a News/weather-front'>Weather Front approaching with some outbreaks of rain. Some uncertainty about the timing of the arrival of any rain and, indeed, the Progress Southwards of that overnight into monday. It may well be by monday this system with patchy rain installed across parts of northern ireland, northern england, and scotland. To the north of that in northern scotland, some sunshine. To the south of that, across much of england and wales, increasingly warm, sunny spells as we go into sunday and monday, with temperatures lifting up in some spots into the upper 20s. Beyond that, all parts will see some very warm weather for a time and some sunshine before things Turn cooler and rather more unsettled again later in the week. Thats your weather. This is bbc News. Im shaun ley. The headlines at 8pm no News/mass-roll'>Mass Roll out of Covid Jabs for healthy 12 to 15 year olds for now. It will be up to News/chief-medical-officer'>Chief Medical Officers to examine the wider issues involved. The risks and benefits are finely balanced, but the other wider considerations, such as educational benefits, need to be taken into consideration. Calls for more money for the nhs to deal with backlog of operations and the increasing demand for Social Care. 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