Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. To what the papers will be with me arejenny kleeman, a presenter at times radio, and michael booker, editor of the sunday express. Hello to you both, its good to see you. Its been a while. It hello to you both, its good to see you. Its been a while. Hello to you both, its good to see you. Its been a while. It i you. Its been a while. It has. It has, it you. Its been a while. It has. It has. It has you. Its been a while. It has. It has, it has. Anyway, you. Its been a while. It has. It has, it has. Anyway, im you. Its been a while. It has. It has, it has. Anyway, im back. You. Its been a while. It has. It. Has, it has. Anyway, im back now, so stay on your toes. The metro calls it the flight from hell, as people at Kabul Airport tried desperately to escape the Taliban In Afghanistan today. The guardian adds that seven people died in the chaos some clung to the outside of the plane as it took off, and others were crushed in the crowd. The Financial Times leads with a similar image of the runway today, adding that many afghans dread the return of a hardline islamist regime. The i writes No Way Out above a dramatic picture of people trying to climb over a Border Wall to escape afghanistan on the first day of taliban rule. The telegraph leads with the speech Joe Biden delivered from the white House Tonight he told the world he stands squarely by his decision to withdraw american troops from afghanistan. The sun calls the us president joke biden, writing that he faces a global backlash over his handling of the crisis in afghanistan. 0k, we will have a quick look at some of these stories now. I want to start with you, jenny, because this image, this Air Force Plane is on pretty much all the papers, and it dominates the telegraph there. Will this be a defining image for the biden presidency, do you think . I think it is already, its certainly the defining image of our withdrawal from afghanistan until there is a black Taliban Flag on top of the us embassy. Its almost a cliche now to make comparisons with saigon but the imagery of this is very much the same, and the detail also of the number of people who died trying to get him not on that c16 and the dozens of people cleaned to the outside and falling from the sky shows how desperate people are. And those people who are in the Air Force in kabul have nowhere to go. It is surrounded by the taliban, they cannot get home if they wanted to, and no planes are leaving now. So they are just stuck there in purgatory. So they are ust stuck there in purgatory. So they are ust stuck there in uraato. ~. , so they are ust stuck there in uraato. ~. , purgatory. Michael, did it have to be like this . Purgatory. Michael, did it have to be like this . Well, purgatory. Michael, did it have to be like this . Well, according purgatory. Michael, did it have to be like this . Well, according to l be like this . Well, according to what theyre be like this . Well, according to what theyre saying be like this . Well, according to what theyre saying in be like this . Well, according to what theyre saying in the what theyre saying in the telegraph, british Security Officials had been urging The Americans not to go before the anniversary of september 11, and they needed to stay there for a lot longer they needed to stay there for a lot longer for they needed to stay there for a lot longer for there to be a hand over. By longer for there to be a hand over. By Then longer for there to be a hand over. By Then you longer for there to be a hand over. By Then you go back to the words of President Biden Tonight if not now, President Biden Tonight if not now, when . Theyve had 20 years to come now, when . Theyve had 20 years to come up now, when . Theyve had 20 years to come up with now, when . Theyve had 20 years to come up with a strategy, that clearly come up with a strategy, that clearly not come up with a good one. It clearly not come up with a good one. It was clearly not come up with a good one. It was interesting with that speech which it was interesting with that speech which is it was interesting with that speech which is on it was interesting with that speech which is on the front of the telegraph, look, if youre in afghanistan and still allowed to watch afghanistan and still allowed to Watch Television or listen to a radio, Watch Television or listen to a radio, itll Watch Television or listen to a radio, itll be chilling because he had washed his hands of them, and it was almost had washed his hands of them, and it was almost a casual cruelty to his words. Was almost a casual cruelty to his words, Then he hopped back on a helicopter words, Then he hopped back on a helicopter back to camp david. I think helicopter back to camp david. I think thatll define him, as well, the words think thatll define him, as well, the words that he spoke. This is a man who, the words that he spoke. This is a man who, when on his inauguration, he said man who, when on his inauguration, he said he man who, when on his inauguration, he said he would try to Heal The World he said he would try to Heal The World. Well, afghanistan will be bloodshed from now on, we think. He bloodshed from now on, we think. Hg. Was bloodshed from now on, we think. Was also bloodshed from now on, we think. He was also speaking to the afghan people, wasnt he . He was being to The American people. He people, wasnt he . He was being to The American people. People, wasnt he . He was being to The American people. He was speaking to The American The American people. He was speaking to The American people The American people. He was speaking to The American people and to The American people and consistently showing that The American people want Americas Involvement in afghanistan to end. When it comes to people in washington, he did something that nobody has done in American Politics in a long time, which was to unify both sides in condemnation of both of him. But when it comes to ordinary americans, he was appealing to them. Even though i do believe there are many benefits for America Staying in afghanistan just as they stayed in korea and many other countries for many, many decades. There always has been this disconnect in america between what the country does a broad in its foreign policy, and the prosperity at home. In that connection between the two has never ever, and ive been reporting from the us for far too many years, but that connection between the two, the Prosperity Americans have enjoyed since The End of the second World War and the way their country carries on a broad, away from its borders that connection is just not there for most americans. And as a result, they cannot see what afghanistan was all about it, or at least is difficult for them to. I all about it, or at least is difficult for them to. I agree with ou, difficult for them to. I agree with you. Theres difficult for them to. I agree with you. Theres a difficult for them to. I agree with you, theres a significant difficult for them to. I agree with j you, theres a significant number difficult for them to. I agree with i you, theres a significant number of americans who dont have a passport and dont really look at foreign affairs, they look at the affairs in their own domestic state and may be nationally, but they dont look at international politics or think about the implications for them of the fact that the taliban have shown that it doesnt matter what the international community thinks of them any more, theyll do as they please. And that means the country will be a magnet for international terrorists who know theyll be able to get away with anything there, because if the taliban can march in and take over kabul so quickly, Then the international community will not be able to stop the country from becoming a hotbed of international terrorism. But becoming a hotbed of international terrorism. � m. Becoming a hotbed of international terrorism. � a. ,. , terrorism. But michael, at The End ofthe terrorism. But michael, at The End of the day. Terrorism. But michael, at The End of the day. Youre terrorism. But michael, at The End of the day, youre an terrorism. But michael, at The End of the day, youre an american, i terrorism. But michael, at the End L of the day, youre an american, your 8000 miles away from this place, americans have lost their lives, 1 Trillion has been spent, youve been there for 20 years it does make sense to pull out, doesnt it . I think as you say to those people who are actually think as you say to those people who are actually watching the speech, many are actually watching the speech, many millions of americans will not have been many millions of americans will not have been following it or be interested. Thats the stark reality of it. Interested. Thats the stark reality of it. But interested. Thats the stark reality of it, but those who did, many will agree of it, but those who did, many will agree. Many will have had a Family Members agree. Many will have had a Family Members who may have died in the last 20 members who may have died in the last 20 years, as well as of the war in iraq. Last 20 years, as well as of the war in iraq. As last 20 years, as well as of the war in iraq, as well. We saw the same thing in iraq, as well. We saw the same thing in in iraq, as well. We saw the same thing in vietnam where we were sending thing in vietnam where we were sending children off to a strange land for sending children off to a strange land for an ultimately futile attempt at bringing peace there, Stopping Attempt at bringing peace there, stopping communism spreading across the world stopping communism spreading across the world. They say the same in afghanistan, as well. For selfish reasons. Afghanistan, as well. For selfish reasons, they stopped alqaeda from coming reasons, they stopped alqaeda from coming to reasons, they stopped alqaeda from coming to america, theyve stopped that now coming to america, theyve stopped that now and lets get on with it. President that now and lets get on with it. President biden says if there is problems with terrorism, we will Then problems with terrorism, we will Then go problems with terrorism, we will Then go back into afghanistan on a case by Case Basis like we do across the World Case by Case Basis like we do across the world with other threats, with isis the world with other threats, with isis and the world with other threats, with isis and whats happening in africa, as welt isis and whats happening in africa, as welt so isis and whats happening in africa, as well. So its notjust afghanistan. Many people are maybe nodding afghanistan. Many people are maybe nodding along to what he says in america nodding along to what he says in america. �. Nodding along to what he says in america. � , , nodding along to what he says in america. 3 , , nodding along to what he says in america. � , , , , nodding along to what he says in america. � , , , , america. Lets go to the Front Page of the sun. America. Lets go to the Front Page of the sun, joke america. Lets go to the Front Page of the sun, joke biden. America. Lets go to the Front Page of the sun, joke biden. Im i america. Lets go to the Front Page of the sun, joke biden. Im not l of the sun, joke biden. Im not sure thats the best headline on this occasion, to be honest. There is the suggestion that the uk will take in quite a few afghan refugees fleeing the country over and beyond those who have worked with the british military. I beyond those who have worked with the british military. The british military. I think we were going the british military. I think we were going to the british military. I think we were going to have the british military. I think we were going to have to. The british military. I think we were going to have to. Its i the british military. I think we| were going to have to. Its our responsibility to look after these people who have been let down and we made lots of promises to them. They risk of their lives on those promises, there are women who have got an education who wanted to be doctors and lawyers, who will now be subject to laws from the seventh century. We now have no option but to take those people in. I reported on afghan migrants trying to enter the eu illegally in 2001, and the incredible dangers they are ready to face in order to have Safety And Security in europe. If we dont take them in illegally, therell be an enormous number of them trying to arrive illegally which will have implications for politics, for far right governments all over europe getting support that we couldnt have imagined before Then because therell be a huge influx illegal migrants. Therell be a huge influx illegal mi. Rants. Therell be a huge influx illegal miarants. ,. , therell be a huge influx illegal miarants. ,. , , migrants. The subhead, Present Sur Rised migrants. The subhead, present surprised by migrants. The subhead, present surprised by rows, migrants. The subhead, present surprised by rows, the migrants. The subhead, present surprised by rows, the point i migrants. The subhead, present l surprised by rows, the point being that either theres no way they should of been surprised because they wouldve had intelligence on they wouldve had intelligence on the ground, and how could that mistake of been made . Or they shouldve known that things were going to go in a pretty appalling way and ignored what was going to happen potentially. He way and ignored what was going to happen potentially. Way and ignored what was going to happen potentially. He did say plan for every contingency happen potentially. He did say plan for every contingency to happen potentially. He did say plan for every contingency to start i happen potentially. He did say plan for every contingency to start with. | for every contingency to start with. But if for every contingency to start with. But if yotrre for every contingency to start with. But if youre going to plan for every but if youre going to plan for every contingency, Then the shouldnt of been a surprise. He did say it shouldnt of been a surprise. He did say it has shouldnt of been a surprise. He did say it has been quicker than they expected. Say it has been quicker than they expected, but near The End of the day, expected, but near The End of the day. They expected, but near The End of the day, they were just going to get out and thats day, they were just going to get out and thats it. And i think people will be and thats it. And i think people will be surprised, who watched that speech will be surprised, who watched that speech tonight, he was supposed to be this speech tonight, he was supposed to be this great liberal president , the opposite be this great liberal president , the opposite of Donald Trump and as i say, opposite of Donald Trump and as i say. There opposite of Donald Trump and as i say, there was almost a cruel mess about say, there was almost a cruel mess about it. Say, there was almost a cruel mess about it. He say, there was almost a cruel mess about it, he said the Buck Stops with about it, he said the Buck Stops with me about it, he said the Buck Stops with me Then blamed trump and the afghan with me Then blamed trump and the afghan people, the afghan soldiers, and the afghan people, the afghan soldiers, and the afghan government. So it didnt and the afghan government. So it didnt really stop with him, he blamed didnt really stop with him, he blamed everyone else. Didnt really stop with him, he blamed everyone else. Thats true certainly on blamed everyone else. Thats true certainly on the blamed everyone else. Thats true certainly on the manner blamed everyone else. Thats true certainly on the manner of certainly on the manner of that withdrawal, but it must be said he has not been a liberal when it comes to foreign forces abroad. He has wanted to pull these troops out over a substantial period of time. He an a substantial period of time. He on record many a substantial period of time. He on record many times a substantial period of time. He on record many times during a substantial period of time. He on record many times during the i a substantial period of time. He on record many times during the time J Record many times during the time when record many times during the time when he record many times during the time when he was Vice President to obama, as well. When he was Vice President to obama, as well, talking about this, that he didnt as well, talking about this, that he didnt want as well, talking about this, that he didnt want to be The One to hand this over didnt want to be The One to hand this over to didnt want to be The One to hand this over to another president after him. This over to another president after him so this over to another president after him so hes this over to another president after him. So hes The One, hes done this. Him. So hes The One, hes done this. Hes him. So hes The One, hes done this, hes followed through. He seems this, hes followed through. He seems to this, hes followed through. He seems to be going along with it. And its the seems to be going along with it. And its the idea seems to be going along with it. And its the idea that america isnt the worlds its the idea that america isnt the Worlds Police any more, that might worry Worlds Police any more, that might worry some Worlds Police any more, that might worry some people across the world. Going worry some people across the world. Going back worry some people across the world. Going back to the people in afghanistan who, if they did get a Chance Afghanistan who, if they did get a chance to afghanistan who, if they did get a chance to see that, they are on their chance to see that, they are on their own chance to see that, they are on their own now and not much they can do for their own now and not much they can do for them their own now and not much they can do for them do for them. Jenny you made the oint do for them. Jenny you made the point earlier do for them. Jenny you made the point earlier about do for them. Jenny you made the point earlier about promises i do for them. Jenny you made the L Point earlier about promises being made and thats the fundamental problem here, pointing to michaels references to a seeming callousness on the part ofJoe Biden. George w. Bush couldve targeted Osama Bin Laden and taking out the taliban, and left. And indeed, that kind of deal was on the table once the taliban had been routed from kabul into december since 2001. He didnt do that, he made it clear he would rebuild the nation and the military. That is not a 20 year plan, that is a multi generational plan, that is 20 40 a multi generational plan, that is 20 a0 years. Thats why people are depressed and disappointed, and feel that a promise has been broken. I would completely agree with that, it was a plan which people thought was an action, which is why started building their lives according to it. Ifound it quite building their lives according to it. I found it quite chilling when building their lives according to it. Ifound it quite chilling when i heard Biden State On Saturday that heard Biden State On Saturday that he said America Cannot forever be involved in the Civil War some of other countries. Thats not why america was there, it was there to protect its own interests after 9 11, it decided it would get involved in nation building. This is the first big test of Bidens Leadership and judgment. And wherever you come from on the political spectrum, wherever you come from on the politicalspectrum, he wherever you come from on the political spectrum, he has failed very badly on both. He is setting up strawmen for himself to fight, and hes also saying that he didnt expect afghanistan to fall so quickly to the taliban. He has badly misjudged her this and done so much damage to afghanistan and to his own presidency. Damage to afghanistan and to his own residen. , , ~ , presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of that presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of that us presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of that us air presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of that us Air Force i presidency. Front page of the metro, same shot of that us Air Force Plane | same shot of that us Air Force Plane there. That close up, the bottom right Hand Picture of someone seemingly falling off the side of that plane as its already up in the air. Its really distressing to look at, but president is plenty of Dodgy Folk around the world are rubbing their hands, arent they . It world are rubbing their hands, arent they . Arent they . It seems across the world of the arent they . It seems across the world of the bad arent they . It seems across the world of the bad guys arent they . It seems across the world of the bad guys are i arent they . It seems across the I World of the bad guys are currently winning world of the bad guys are currently winning. The bad guys seem to have these winning. The bad guys seem to have these very winning. The bad guys seem to have these very strong leaders who, for better these very strong leaders who, for better or these very strong leaders who, for better or worse, these very strong leaders who, for better orworse, have these very strong leaders who, for better or worse, have a Point And Push better or worse, have a Point And Push for better or worse, have a Point And Push for it. Better or worse, have a Point And Push for it, and they seem to want more push for it, and they seem to want more and push for it, and they seem to want more and more dominance. We in the westiust more and more dominance. We in the westjust seems to more and more dominance. We in the west just seems to have politicians enter west just seems to have politicians enter charged, theyre just doing everything they can to protect themselves rather than the rest of themselves rather than the rest of the world themselves rather than the rest of the world. That seems to be the worry the world. That seems to be the worry at the world. That seems to be the worry at the moment. The other worry is weve worry at the moment. The other worry is weve got worry at the moment. The other worry is weve got these chilling pictures on the is weve got these chilling pictures on the Front Pages at the moment, but the on the Front Pages at the moment, but the thing that the taliban, the best thing but the thing that the taliban, the best thing they can do is not widespread slaughter, they want to put out widespread slaughter, they want to put out there they are clever these put out there they are clever these days, theyre better at Media Relations these days, theyre better at Media Relations these days, and it may be quieter relations these days, and it may be quieter over relations these days, and it may be quieter over the next few weeks and we might quieter over the next few weeks and we might not see people slaughtered in the we might not see people slaughtered in the streets. The problem is when we arent in the streets. The problem is when we arent looking at any more, its ust we arent looking at any more, its iust there we arent looking at any more, its just there every day casual cruelty that takes just there every day casual cruelty that takes over, Then the World Isnt that takes over, Then the World Isnt interested in that any more and biden isnt interested in that any more and biden can get away with doing this. , , , this. The i, No Way Out Front Page there, this. The i, No Way Out Front Page there. People this. The i, No Way Out Front Page there, People Climbing this. The i, No Way Out Front Page there, People Climbing over this. The i, No Way Out Front Page there, People Climbing over the i there, People Climbing over the walls at the airport trying to get to the runway. The big fear is for women and children, and part of the british plan to take in afghan citizens is to help women who feel vulnerable. But citizens is to help women who feel vulnerable vulnerable. But how we get them there . We vulnerable. But how we get them there . We had vulnerable. But how we get them there . We had the vulnerable. But how we get them there . We had the defence i vulnerable. But how we get them i there . We had the defence secretary