Hello and welcome, this is dateline london, the only programme to bring together bbc specialists with foreign correspondence who write from here. It is an Outsiders Perspective around the uk and the world. As the return of the taliban and other worlds leaders willing to stop it getting worse and Andrew Cuomo resigns, with me to discuss it are writers for Bloomberg And Bbc corresponded clive. The taliban are in controljust corresponded clive. The taliban are in control just 45 corresponded clive. The taliban are in controljust 45 miles south of kabul, the regional warlords and Militia Groups to whom the president has turned in Afghanistans Hour of need, evidence that his army trained by the now departed americans is inadequate in the fight. One by one provincial capitals have fallen, when you look at the picture in afghanistan the director of national intelligence who worked Withjoe Biden when he was Vice President said was inevitable once the in american troops left it was inevitable, given these Evacuation Flights for nationals and embassy staff, as that kind of an implied admission that the attempt to keep the Taliban Out has been lost. Yes. The Taliban Out has been lost. Yes, and the evidence the Taliban Out has been lost. Yes, and the evidence on the Taliban Out has been lost. Yes, and the evidence on the the Taliban Out has been lost. 13 3 and the evidence on the ground is clear that the 20 Year Mission yes its clear that the 20 Year Mission yes its initial point of it was to prevent another 9 11, another large scale international major Terror Attack and it has worked on that point of view. Afghanistan for the last 20 years has not been a haven for terror groups. It does feel as if that is the smell of saigon and the final days of the us in vietnam and the british are trying to get expatriate out and americans similarly but i was in afghanistan about three weeks after the taliban took control in 1996 and the taliban took control in 1996 and the response from local people to the response from local people to the taliban are taking Over was a very different to what you are seeing now, there was a sense the taliban were going to finally bring Peace And Stability and possibly prosperity to a country that had just come out of more than a decade of brutal Civil War with what mods beating the hell out of the major cities, much of kabul was reduced to rubble and the taliban was seen as a Stabilising Force to bring security. Formal 20 years it is very different and we are seeing the roads leading into kabulfull of and we are seeing the roads leading into kabul full of refugees trying to get out of various areas for the fighting is taking place, un announcing local countries should keep their borders open so refugees can get out and there is a sense it is not a matter of if but when the taliban take Over what kind of a regime about the put forward. We are onl weeks regime about the put forward. We are only weeks from regime about the put forward. We are only weeks from the regime about the put forward. 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Already the republicans are piling in and cut sizing republicans are piling in and cut sizing the republicans are piling in and cut sizing the decision, republican leader sizing the decision, republican leader Mitch Mcconnell saying the biden leader Mitch Mcconnell saying the biden administration had been reduced biden administration had been reduced to pleading with the taliban to protect reduced to pleading with the taliban to protect the us embassy and said the us to protect the us embassy and said the us risked a humiliating sequel to the the us risked a humiliating sequel to the fall the us risked a humiliating sequel to the fall of saigon. I think this is a rethink to the fall of saigon. 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Coming forward with bold targets is notjust for the benefit of the uk and the people in this country, the ideas enters a force to help other countries realise this is what we should be doing but if the uk is not achieving its own targets then what will the effect beyond other countries and activist will point to the fact that was discussion about whether or not a new coalminer should be opened in the north of england, new Oil And Gas licences given out in the north sea. Some airports are extending their runways, leads as one of those, as well as a multi million Pound Programme to build more roads so we talk the talk but where is the action and i think that is the fear going into Cop And Glasgow that the uk will not be on the front foot as much as it should. find Uk will not be on the front foot as much as it should. Uk will not be on the front foot as much as it should. And they worried about that and much as it should. And they worried about that and washington . Much as it should. 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We have to live it, thank you public, this is a political issue. We have to live it, thank you for your time. We have to live it, thank you for yourtime. Stephanie we have to live it, thank you for your time. Stephanie and clive. Hello. We have quite a lot of dry, quiet weather through the weekend but it is a weekend of mixed fortunes. For some of us it will stay dry with a bit of sunshine all weekend but for other areas there is some rain in the forecast. That is all courtesy of an area of low pressure which is slow moving but heading its way in from the atlantic from the west, gradually pushing east across the uk. Higher pressure in charge across much of Continental Europe and it stays very very hot in the south, especially for Spain Today where we could see 48 celsius. Here in the uk, cooler than average in fact. Increasing amounts of cloud moving in from the west. For scotland today, scattered showers. They should be confined to the northern half of scotland, sunshine through the central belt, Overfor'>Clouding Overfor northern ireland and Northern England this afternoon with the arrival of patchy rain. Perhaps one or two spots of rain for north wales, the midlands as well. Much of southern and South Eastern england remains dry today with temperatures 23 or 2a degrees in the warmest spots. Typically the high teens further north. This evening and Overnight, that Rain Pushes Across Northern Ireland and Northern England and perhaps Sourthern Scotland later in the night. Further showers across the far north of scotland and a few spots of rain for wales in the South West as well, but South East England stays dry and quite humid, 15 degrees here but single figures across the far north of england and for scotland. Tomorrow, we have this area of low pressure, slow moving, ambling east, with quite a few different weather fronts around tomorrow. One of them producing heavy showers across northern and north eastern scotland, quite blustery here. A little bit of Rain Clearing Out of northern ireland and Northern England, affecting parts of wales, perhaps the midlands later in the day. But again East Anglia and the South East largely dry, around 23 degrees. Things are turning cooler from the North West. So, through sunday and into monday we have this North Westerly wind starting to develop, so that pushes Cooler Air across the uk, keeping those high temperatures further south into spain. Into monday for the uk, its not a bad day, a lot of places largely dry, just one or two showers, a lot of Cloud Feeding in on the North West breeze. Eastern areas getting the best of the sunshine but temperatures around 15 20 degrees. If you have plans for the week ahead, a lot of dry, settled weather. One or two isolated showers at times. Quite a bit of cloud in general and temperatures a little bit cool for the time of year. Bye bye. 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