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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are geraldine scott, political correspondent for press association, and james lewer, broadcaster and journalist. Welcome to both of you. Tomorrows Front-page'>Front Pages, lets bring you right up Front-page'>Front Pages, lets bring you right up to date with all we have so far. Lets begin with the times, with the Headline Gun Licence given back to killer weeks before attack referring to the Mass Shooting which occurred in plymouth last night. A daily Telegraph Investigation has discovered Holiday Makers are being charged up to four times the official advertised price for covid tests. The ft� s Weekend Edition says the taliban has surrounded afghanistans capital, and seized the countrys second largest city. According to the is paper, proposals to make working from home a legal right is unlikely to happen, as ministers fear the unintended consequences. And finally, The Guardian has the story, treasury accused of blocking green policies, as the governments net zero commitment is put into question. Lets plunge straight in, geraldine, do you want to kick us off with that Front-page'>Front Page i referred to . This story of Jake Dawes Davis ands on licence. Of Jake Dawes Davis ands on licence. ,. , licence. There seems to be increasing licence. There seems to be increasing questions licence. There seems to be increasing questions over l licence. There seems to be i increasing questions over how licence. There seems to be increasing questions over how james increasing questions over how james had this gone and how it was removed from him previously, and had been handed back after allegations of assault previously had been brought up assault previously had been brought up was up this is a tragic story, seeing the faces of the victims hammers home the real tragedy, the three year old girl thats been caught up in this. I think there are other questions as well, notjust about the Gun Licence but potential referrals to Mental Health Services made by his family, and also of this in Cell Culture that we really dont understand which played quite a serious role in the mindset that he may have been in three. There are multiple lines of inquiry that the police will follow and many questions that need to be answered. James, back to the question the story takes up pretty much the whole of the Front-page'>Front Page of the times, which is surprising given the fast moving events. But as the paper establishes, theres so many different angles to the story . Absolutely, its the deadliest Mass Shooting absolutely, its the deadliest Mass Shooting weve had in this country for decades, obviously dominating the Front for decades, obviously dominating the Front-page'>Front Pages. Its tragic and, as geraldine the Front-page'>Front Pages. Its tragic and, as geraldine said, theres so many Questions Geraldine said, theres so many questions to answer here and lots of people questions to answer here and lots of people that i think have a lot of questions well find out more over the coming questions well find out more over the coming days, obviously the police the coming days, obviously the police have a lot to answer for over the fact police have a lot to answer for over the fact that he was given the licence the fact that he was given the licence back so quickly, thats what newspapers are going with for tomorrow, perhaps the big line from this. Tomorrow, perhaps the big line from this the tomorrow, perhaps the big line from this. The mental Health Stuff as welt, this. The mental Health Stuff as welt, i this. The mental Health Stuff as well, i think its obviously a big part well, i think its obviously a big part of well, i think its obviously a big part of this, as well, and how Things Part of this, as well, and how things seemed to be unchecked. But i think certainly today and tonight, its important that we stop and take a moment its important that we stop and take a moment to remember those who lost their lives, a moment to remember those who lost their lives, you know, the three year old girl is The One that sticks three year old girl is The One that sticks in three year old girl is The One that sticks in my three year old girl is The One that sticks in my mind obviously all of them sticks in my mind obviously all of them are sticks in my mind obviously all of them are tragic, but its hard to contemplate, really, and seeing the picture contemplate, really, and seeing the picture of contemplate, really, and seeing the picture of the daughter and her Father Picture of the daughter and her father is picture of the daughter and her father isjust difficult picture of the daughter and her father is just difficult to understand, to be honest. As ever with these understand, to be honest. As ever with these things, understand, to be honest. As ever with these things, the understand, to be honest. As ever with these things, The Guardian i understand, to be honest. As ever. With these things, The Guardian has got that photograph, obviously, she several months old, a toddler at this point in the photograph but its also trying to make rational and offer a rational expedition for the irrational act, in terms of acts of Self Loathing into an act of hatred that kills so many people. This is not a story that Id Suspect will disappear from the Front-page'>Front Pages for a few more days yet. Lets move on to The One thats dominating a lot of our Coverage Today and, unsurprisingly, its the source of so much concern. James, the Front of the financial times has the picture of a mum who lost her children in a Refugee Camp in Kabul Camp for displaced people, people are fleeing, we are told the un is saying 80 of the people who have fled so far are women and children. Yes, and obviously its very concerning about what impacts whats happening concerning about what impacts whats happening will have on all the great work done happening will have on all the great work done over the last two decades in terms work done over the last two decades in terms of work done over the last two decades in terms of education and womens rights, in terms of education and womens rights, and in terms of education and womens rights, and all those things. So its obviously very concerning, im not surprised people are looking to flee not surprised people are looking to flee and not surprised people are looking to flee and start worrying. How this all flee and start worrying. How this 6 pans flee and start worrying. How this all pans out over the next few weeks. All pans out over the next few weeks, even the next few days, you know, weeks, even the next few days, you know, whats happening in kabul, theres know, whats happening in kabul, theres major concerns about whether it tots theres major concerns about whether It Lots of theres major concerns about whether It Lots of other Cities Wont be overrun It Lots of other Cities Wont be overrun by It Lots of other Cities Wont be overrun by the taliban. There are bil overrun by the taliban. There are big Question Marks over whether we should big Question Marks over whether we should have withdrawn as quickly as we did~ should have withdrawn as quickly as we did~ and should have withdrawn as quickly as we did. And i think theres a lot of people we did. And i think theres a lot of people who we did. And i think theres a lot of people who have been involved in afghanistan over the last 20 years, a lot have afghanistan over the last 20 years, a lot have come out today saying that the a lot have come out today saying that the move by america and the british that the move by america and the British Government has been the wrong British Government has been the wrong one in terms of pulling out, and ittt wrong one in terms of pulling out, and itll undo a lot of the good done, and itll undo a lot of the good done, but and itll undo a lot of the good done, but the question around all this is done, but the question around all this is whether we should have gone in the this is whether we should have gone in the first this is whether we should have gone in the first place 20 years ago, and obviously in the first place 20 years ago, and obviously we are really are now and we to obviously we are really are now and we to find obviously we are really are now and we to find solutions, so do we let this att we to find solutions, so do we let this all happened in Front of our eyes . This all happened in Front of our eyes . Im this all happened in Front of our eyes . Im not sure we can do nothing about eyes . Im not sure we can do nothing about it. Eyes . Im not sure we can do nothing about it, theres a lot of british troops about it, theres a lot of british troops and about it, theres a lot of british troops and families of those troops, as welt, troops and families of those troops, as well, who will be sitting at Home Thinking as well, who will be sitting at Home Thinking to as well, who will be sitting at Home Thinking to themselves, you know, what thinking to themselves, you know, what was thinking to themselves, you know, what was It Thinking to themselves, you know, what was it all for, to be honest . That what was it all for, to be honest . That is what was it all for, to be honest . That is a what was it all for, to be honest . That is a thought we will return to it in a minute because its partly the subject of the telegraph Front-page'>Front Page. Butjust on this story, the ft is explicit here in saying that the british Defence Secretary criticised washington, saying it was not the right time or the right decision to make. Because alqaeda will probably come back whatever they call themselves. Its one of those rare occasions, isnt it, where weve gone along with washington, but the British Government are making it clear they dont agree. Yes. British government are making it clear they dont agree. British government are making it clear they dont agree. Yes, and not ust their clear they dont agree. Yes, and not just their words, clear they dont agree. Yes, and not just their words, boris clear they dont agree. Yes, and not just their words, Boris Johnson clear they dont agree. Yes, and not just their words, Boris Johnson has l just their words, borisjohnson has said this is almost the inevitable conclusion of washington making that decision, as well. So it seems theres a united Front, they had johnny mercer, the mp who served in afghanistan, say on Breakfast Television this morning, as well, Thatjoe Biden has a lot of responsibility here, but that we have to take it too. Of course what comes next is looking pretty grim at the moment, its not like a good outcome, and we know from past experience that when troops withdraw from afghanistan without a plan in place that that does provide a Breeding Ground for terrorism. And thatis Breeding Ground for terrorism. And that is the fear now, talking about what Ben Walston said today, he said himself that its likely going to be the case. So you can see why those families of veterans are sitting at home, may be some who have lost their lives, are pretty stunned by this and thinking its in vain despite the prime ministers stations. ~ despite the prime ministers stations. ,. , stations. Indeed. Taking us on the same subject. Stations. Indeed. Taking us on the same subject, this stations. Indeed. Taking us on the same subject, this is stations. Indeed. Taking us on the same subject, this is ben stations. Indeed. Taking us on the same subject, this is Ben Riley same subject, this is Ben Riley smith and the telegraph tomorrow, british troops did not die in vain in afghanistan. Itll be quite a hard argument for politicians to sustain, isnt it, if we end up in a situation lets say that kabul falls in a matter of weeks, the taliban are back in control, and they choose to be the kind of government they were in the 1990s with the level of violence against their own people, the retribution of those committed what, perhaps outside of that interpretation of the koran might have seen less serious crimes, certainly not the kind that merited the brutality that was meted out, and also becomes again a place where jihadist groups can operate with impunity . I again a place where jihadist groups can operate with impunity . Can operate with impunity . I think so, but the can operate with impunity . I think so, but the argument can operate with impunity . I think so, but the Argument Boris can operate with impunity . I think. So, but the argument Boris Johnson so, but the Argument Borisjohnson is trying to make earlier today is actually, britains streets are safer than they were 20 years ago from the risk of terrorism because we went to afghanistan. Maybe thats true, but its a very insular way of looking at it, it doesnt really speak to our responsibilities around the world as a global superpower, especially in establishing this Countrys Identity as we move forward. So i dont think that argument will hold for very long. Itsjust a argument will hold for very long. Its just a terribly sad situation, and it looks like its only going one way. And it looks like its only going one wa. G. , and it looks like its only going Onewa ,. ,. , and it looks like its only going Onewa ,. ,. ,. And it looks like its only going Onewa. ,. ,. ,. , one way. James, on that story, what do ou one way. James, on that story, what do you make one way. James, on that story, what do you make of one way. James, on that story, what do you make of it . One way. James, on that story, what do you make of it . I one way. James, on that story, what do you make of it . I mean, i one way. James, on that story, what do you make of it . I mean, i think. Do you make of it . I mean, i think its hiuhl do you make of it . I mean, i think its highly concerning. Do you make of it . I mean, i think its highly concerning. The do you make of it . I mean, i think its highly concerning. The other. Its highly concerning. The other side of its highly concerning. The other side of this its highly concerning. The other side of this is well, the afghan he covers side of this is well, the Afghan He Covers Dutch afghan he government, in terms covers dutch afghan he government, in terms of covers dutch afghan he government, in terms of their corruption within that particular administration and how they that particular administration and how they are dealing with a the taliban, how they are dealing with a the taliban, at how they are dealing with a the taliban, at some Point British and american taliban, at some Point British and american forces have to pull out and allow american forces have to pull out and allow the american forces have to pull out and allow the afghan society to handle things allow the afghan society to handle things for themselves. But clearly its not things for themselves. But clearly its not going to plan and the taliban its not going to plan and the taliban are in a position of strength, it feels like at the moment, and it is hugely concerning. I moment, and it is hugely concerning. I dont moment, and it is hugely concerning. Idont know. Moment, and it is hugely concerning. I dont know, i think there will be a idont know, i think there will be a Lot Idont know, i think there will be a lot of i dont know, i think there will be a lot of people sitting at home wondering what it was all for, you know. Have wondering what it was all for, you know, have lives been lost for no reason . Know, have lives been lost for no reason . Those questions will be in Peoples Reason . Those questions will be in peoples mines, clearly, and honestly peoples mines, clearly, and honestly borisjohnson peoples mines, clearly, and honestly Boris Johnson has said domestically we are in a stronger position domestically we are in a stronger position because of going in, but if the taliban position because of going in, but if the taliban established themselves and build the taliban established themselves and build the other strength up to such an and build the other strength up to such an extent where they feel strong such an extent where they feel strong enough within their own domestic strong enough within their own domestic position, that they may well become more of a threat again to the well become more of a threat again to the west. So we will have to see what to the west. So we will have to see what happens and see if the American Military what happens and see if the American Military and what happens and see if the american Military And Biden administration decides Military And Biden administration decides to do anything different, and whether we follow suit, because normativ and whether we follow suit, because normally we do. It� s and whether we follow suit, because normally we do normally we do. Its time you say that because normally we do. Its time you say that because the normally we do. Its time you say that because the copy normally we do. Its time you say that because the copy has normally we do. Its time you say. That because the copy has dropped literally in the last minute and a half from the reuters news agency, a bureau in washington the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell, has called Onjoe Biden to hammer on the taliban with air strikes, which perhaps will delay the momentum of this move by the taliban who is fighters are about 45 miles from kabul at the moment. To illustrate this, the i has a very powerful photograph and a quote from patrick cockburn, a very famous journalist on the independent during the i980s 90s, whos out in kabul at the moment saying, look, how different is this to how the picture looked 30 years ago, in effect . , , effect . Yeah, this is the thing, isnt it, really . Effect . Yeah, this is the thing, isnt it, really . What effect . Yeah, this is the thing, isnt it, really . What the effect . Yeah, this is the thing, isnt it, really . What the Biden Ministration chooses to do next will be very ministration chooses to do next will be very important. At the end of the day, lives be very important. At the end of the day, lives are at stake and the legacy day, lives are at stake and the legacy of day, lives are at stake and the legacy of afghanistan is at stake as well. Theres been a lot of great work well. Theres been a lot of great work thats well. Theres been a lot of great work thats been done by a lot of people. Work thats been done by a lot of people, notjust the military but those people, notjust the military but those that have gone into do the education those that have gone into do the Education Part and work on womens rights Education Part and work on womens rights. Theres so many things that could rights. Theres so many things that could be rights. Theres so many things that could be unraveled if this taliban advanced could be unraveled if this taliban Advanced Content news. There is so much Advanced Content news. There is so much at Advanced Content news. There is so much at stake and we dont want to id much at stake and we dont want to go back, much at stake and we dont want to go back, they want to move forwards. I go back, they want to move forwards. I dont go back, they want to move forwards. I dont know go back, they want to move forwards. I dont know what else to say, its idont know what else to say, its usually i dont know what else to say, its usually concerning and worrying. I feel like usually concerning and worrying. I feel like we cantjust sit on our hands feel like we cantjust sit on our hands in the west, considering Weve Made Hands in the west, considering weve made such hands in the west, considering weve made such a hands in the west, considering weve made such a big, you know, had such a huge made such a big, you know, had such a huge amount of time invested into going a huge amount of time invested into going into a huge amount of time invested into going into afghanistan in the last 20 years. Going into afghanistan in the last 20 years, we cantjust wash our hands 20 years, we cantjust wash our hands of 20 years, we cantjust wash our hands of it 20 years, we cantjust wash our hands of it and say we are done. I ust hands of it and say we are done. I just dont hands of it and say we are done. I just dont feel we can do that at all. Just dont feel we can do that at all here just dont feel we can do that at all here in just dont feel we can do that at all. Here in britain, the uk, also in america. All. Here in britain, the uk, also in america, as well, and the rest of our allies. In america, as well, and the rest of ourallies, i in america, as well, and the rest of ourallies, i dont in america, as well, and the rest of our allies, i dont think we can do that our allies, i dont think we can do that. ,. � , our allies, i dont think we can do that. ,. , � ,. , our allies, i dont think we can do that. ,. , � ,. ,. , that. Geraldine, its not clear if this photo that. Geraldine, its not clear if this photo is that. Geraldine, its not clear if this photo is from that. Geraldine, its not clear if this photo is from that that. Geraldine, its not clear if this photo is from that period, | this photo is from that period, because the dress is traditional, its hard to tell, shouldering a kalashnikov doesnt really date it much either. But its quite a potent image, isnt it . Its much either. But its quite a potent image. Isnt it . Image, isnt it . Its very powerful, and of course image, isnt it . Its very powerful, and of course we image, isnt it . Its very powerful, and of course we are image, isnt it . Its very powerful, and of course we are already image, isnt it . Its very powerful, i and of course we are already hearing reports as well that the russians are concerned about this withdrawal of troops too, so bringing that into the context of what we saw 30 years ago is very important. And this will be watched by Global Leader leaders to see how this is handled. Onto another story, different subject, weve got plenty more subjects to cover, the first is cracked down on covid Travel Testing cowboys, on the Front of the telegraph. Cowboys, on the Front of the telegraph cowboys, on the Front of the telegraph. Absolutely, Ithink Travellers will telegraph. Absolutely, Ithink Travellers will maybe telegraph. Absolutely, Ithink Travellers will maybe site telegraph. Absolutely, Ithink Travellers will maybe site a i telegraph. Absolutely, i think| travellers will maybe site a bit telegraph. Absolutely, i think. Travellers will maybe site a bit of relief at this because weve heard multiple stories of the prices of Covid Testing sometimes superseding the price of flying abroad. Approved providers will be crackdown on, advertising cheap prices to get pumped to the top the list, then when you click on the left to make a website, you find youre paying four times

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