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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are Jasmine Cameron Chileshe of the financial times and James Rampton of the independent. Welcome to you both. Tomorrows front pages, starting with. Lets start with the metro. On its front page, Team Gb Diver Tom Daley is shown in tears after finally ending his long wait for an olympic gold medal. He won the synchronised ten metre platform alongside partner Matty Lee. The guardian reports daley� s empowering message to the lgbt community after his gold win, hoping that his victory will inspire others. The telegraph calls it Magic Monday as Team Gb enjoys other two gold medals. Adam peaty stormed to victory in the ioo metres breaststroke, and 21 year old Tom Pidcock dominated the Mens Mountain Bike race. In other news, according to the times, the government will get tough on burglars as the prime minister is set to announce new Crime Fighting Plans involving the use of tags, Stop And Search and Street Cleaning for offenders. The ft says that a plan for the creation of the worlds biggest Insurance Broker has collapsed after the us government sued to block a 30 Billion merger of Aon And Willis towers watson. So, lets begin. Welcome to you both. Have not seen un quite a while actually. Should we start with the main story for everyone, certainly here in britain . The Gold Rush described and on the metro the picture of Tom Daley. Not sure we are feeling a bit sorry for his partner but a big moment for Tom A. ,. His partner but a big moment for tom a,. , his partner but a big moment for Tom A. Such an achievement. We were all cheerin a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for him a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for him and a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for him and we a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for him and we have a. Such an achievement. We were all cheering for him and we have all cheering for him and we have all followed everyone from when he was a Teenager Up until now and you get a real sense of someone who has been striving for this for so long. It was as a positive moment and also with his speech afterwards, a lovely moment and he is in the metro has captured that really well. Captured that really well. James come it will captured that really well. James come it will come captured that really well. James come it will come onto captured that really well. James come it will come onto his captured that really well. James come it will come onto his message about lgbt plus in a moment, but in terms of a swimming, when you look at the dedication and all athletes have to devote practically all their life to getting here, but swimming does seem particularly tough. Absolutely. I heard at a peaty� s absolutely. I heard at a peatys regime absolutely. I heard at a peatys regime today and it may be exhausted. I had to have a lie down. He does exhausted. I had to have a lie down. He does 200 exhausted. I had to have a lie down. He does 200 lengths of his local pool as he does 200 lengths of his local pool as a he does 200 lengths of his local poolas a Warm Up he does 200 lengths of his local pool as a Warm Up and then does and various pool as a Warm Up and then does and various other pool as a Warm Up and then does and various other weightlifting and cardio various other weightlifting and cardio exercises, so to mere mortals like you cardio exercises, so to mere mortals like you and cardio exercises, so to mere mortals like you and i. Cardio exercises, so to mere mortals like you and i, its a tremendous achievement. What i love about this slorym achievement. What i love about this slorym | achievement. What i love about this sto. ,. ,. , story. I thought you had a similar reaime. I story. I thought you had a similar regime ido. Story. I thought you had a similar regime. I do, temples story. I thought you had a similar regime. I do, temples that story. I thought you had a similar regime. I do, temples that you story. I thought you had a similar regime. I do, temples that you can see my career regime. I do, temples that you can see my career as regime. I do, temples that you can see my career as a regime. I do, temples that you can see my career as a sumo regime. I do, temples that you can see my career as a Sumo Wrestler. Regime. I do, temples that you can | see my career as a Sumo Wrestler is going very see my career as a Sumo Wrestler is going very well. The idea that We Overuse going very well. The idea that We Overuse national treasure, going very well. The idea that We Overuse nationaltreasure, i going very well. The idea that We Overuse national treasure, Ithink We really overuse national treasure, Ithink We really do as a journalist, but this time we really do as a journalist, but this time it we really do as a journalist, but this time it isjustified. What he has done this time it isjustified. What he has done is phenomenal. He broke into the has done is phenomenal. He broke into the public consciousness 12 years into the public consciousness 12 years ago. Into the public consciousness 12 years ago, that is a heck of a long time years ago, that is a heck of a long time when years ago, that is a heck of a long time when he wasjust14 years ago, that is a heck of a long time when he wasjust 14 to years ago, that is a heck of a long time when he was just 14 to live years ago, that is a heck of a long time when he wasjust 14 to live in the public eye. He was bullied at school because people thought he was too famous. He had to move schools and then too famous. He had to move schools and then tragically his father died when and then tragically his father died when he and then tragically his father died when he wasjust17. But he kept going when he wasjust17. But he kept going he when he wasjust17. But he kept going. He had not won gold until today going. He had not won gold until today and going. He had not won gold until today and i defy anyone not to shed a Tear Today and i defy anyone not to shed a tear when today and i defy anyone not to shed a tear when they saw him shedding tears a tear when they saw him shedding tears on a tear when they saw him shedding tears on the podium. A really moving moment tears on the podium. A really moving moment i tears on the podium. A really moving moment. I interviewed him once and he is moment. I interviewed him once and he is proof moment. I interviewed him once and he is proof that nice guys can finish he is proof that nice guys can finish first, and thats a wonderful uplifting finish first, and thats a wonderful uplifting story for us all. Just auoin to uplifting story for us all. Just going to the uplifting story for us all. Jut going to the guardian now, proud to say i am a Way Man and also on the lippitt champion. I think he was 2013 whenjust after lippitt champion. I think he was 2013 when just after missing out at the london olympics, then he had a big Tv Career and that is when he came out. He is now married and has a son as well. How important do you think this is going to be for perhaps other people struggling with their Sexual Identity as Tom Daley obviously did, brought up in the West Country as a child . J obviously did, brought up in the West Country as a child . West country as a child . I think this is a huge West Country as a child . I think this is a huge moment, West Country as a child . I think this is a huge moment, and West Country as a child . I think this is a huge moment, and he| this is a huge moment, and he himself said that when he was a kid, he did not see anyone who was like him, he did not see anyone who was openly Lgbtq Plus but when the olympics and navigating that space and i think he is a really good Role Model and he has come out and said i am an olympic champion and am openly homosexual and this is who i am and thatis homosexual and this is who i am and that is a really inspiring message and i think that will resonate for many of people or in the country as well. He many of people or in the country as well. Many of people or in the country as well. ,. ,. , many of people or in the country as well. ,. ,. , well. He was also saying in that extended interview well. He was also saying in that extended interview that well. He was also saying in that extended interview that this well. He was also saying in that l extended interview that this was well. He was also saying in that extended interview that this was the first olympics where so many other people were of a similar sexuality and it was openly discussed. It is strange for people perhaps our age who have just seen that change in what 25 or 30 years but none of this really would have been discussed openly. Really would have been discussed oenl. ,. , really would have been discussed oenl. ,. , ~. Really would have been discussed oenl. ,. , , openly. Totally. I think is a wonderful openly. Totally. I think is a wonderful progression openly. Totally. I think is a wonderful progression in i openly. Totally. I think is a i wonderful progression in our society. Wonderful progression in our society, and i wholeheartedly applaud society, and i wholeheartedly applaud it. Ithought society, and i wholeheartedly applaud it. I thought his speech was pitiful applaud it. I thought his speech was pitiful and applaud it. I thought his speech was pitiful and powerful and im sure will he pitiful and powerful and im sure will be used in years to come as an exampte will be used in years to come as an exampte of will be used in years to come as an example of how to give an eloquent political example of how to give an eloquent political speech which is still infused political speech which is still infused with emotion. What i think was particularly telling was he gave at the was particularly telling was he gave at the Press Conference in between athletes at the Press Conference in between athletes from China And Russia, both of which athletes from China And Russia, both of which countries, homosexuality is illegat of which countries, homosexuality is illegat so of which countries, homosexuality is illegal. So its an essentially powerful message to deliver on that platform powerful message to deliver on that platform. The whole world is watching platform. The whole world is watching him and he made the most of it. Watching him and he made the most of it im watching him and he made the most of it im going watching him and he made the most of it. Im going to quote a bit of it here it. Im going to quote a bit of it here saying you are not alone you can achieve here saying you are not alone you can achieve anything. That message to your can achieve anything. That message to your people who are may be struggling with their Sexual Identity is astonishingly forceful and as identity is astonishingly forceful and as i identity is astonishingly forceful and as i can say we can only stand up and as i can say we can only stand upand and as i can say we can only stand up and applaud him. Do and as i can say we can only stand up and applaud him. Up and applaud him. Do you have anything to up and applaud him. Do you have anything to add . Up and applaud him. Do you have anything to add . I up and applaud him. Do you have anything to add . I think up and applaud him. Do you have anything to add . I think a up and applaud him. Do you have anything to add . I think a good L Anything to add . I think a good oint was anything to add . I think a good point was made anything to add . I think a good point was made of anything to add . I think a good point was made of the anything to add . I think a good point was made of the Fact Anything to add . I think a good point was made of the fact that anything to add . I think a good I Point was made of the fact that he was competing alongside countries like China And Russia that have not had such a good record when it comes to Lgbtq Plus rights. I think its notjust to Lgbtq Plus rights. I think its not just a to Lgbtq Plus rights. I think its notjust a personal message but i do hear what you are saying about a political one as well. Hear what you are saying about a political one as well. Should we go on to the telegraph, political one as well. Should we go on to the telegraph, james . Political one as well. Should we go i on to the telegraph, james . Picture of Matty Lee and Tom Daley hugging each other, not quite believing it in that fantastic picture but the main story freed burglars to wear 24 hour tag. Main story freed burglars to wear 24 hourtag. It main story freed burglars to wear 24 hour tag. It is all part of the latest Government Initiative of beating crime. Talk us through it. This is a new initiative by the prime this is a new initiative by the prime minister to try and perhaps play to prime minister to try and perhaps play to the Tory Heartland which has always play to the Tory Heartland which has always been tough on Law And Order candidate always been tough on Law And Order candidate. He is emphasising that people candidate. He is emphasising that people want to level up as a society. People want to level up as a society, we have to bring Crime Levels society, we have to bring Crime Levels down and i agree with that. And i levels down and i agree with that. And i nearly fell myself perhaps for the first and i nearly fell myself perhaps for the first of and i nearly fell myself perhaps for the first of my whole life saying i agree the first of my whole life saying i agree with Boris Johnson that this is good agree with Boris Johnson that this is good idea to attack burglars. The thing is good idea to attack burglars. The thing if is good idea to attack burglars. The thing if the is good idea to attack burglars. The thing if the figures are shocking. 80 of thing if the figures are shocking. 80 of burglaries go unsolved. Half of offenders reoffend if they are convicted within a year. Something must convicted within a year. Something must he convicted within a year. Something must be done about this. My fear, though. Must be done about this. My fear, though. Is must be done about this. My fear, though, is that you are using a form of stigmatisation and demonising the people of stigmatisation and demonising the people and ill be going to turn them people and ill be going to turn them from petty criminals into career them from petty criminals into career criminals. There will be my Bil Career criminals. There will be my big Concern Career criminals. There will be my big concern about this plan. Do you auree big concern about this plan. Do you a. Ree with big concern about this plan. Do you agree with that, big concern about this plan. Do you agree with that, this big concern about this plan. Do you agree with that, this idea big concern about this plan. Do you agree with that, this idea of big concern about this plan. Do you agree with that, this idea of a agree with that, this idea of a Street Cleaning for offenders . Smacks of a sort of us Style Treatment of offenders, the Chain Gangs actually four prisoners out to do the Hard Work . J gangs actually four prisoners out to do the Hard Work . Do the Hard Work . I mean its quite an interesting do the Hard Work . I mean its quite an interesting proposal. Do the Hard Work . I mean its quite an interesting proposal. I do the Hard Work . I mean its quite an interesting proposal. I do do the Hard Work . I mean its quite an interesting proposal. I do thinkl an interesting proposal. I do think there is the argument that once you have gone to jail and have done your time, you should not come out and be still treated like a criminal. I dont think thats quite right. On the flip side, looking at the statistics showing repeat offending them epically for those who commit burglary or theft, around half Art Recommitting so it does show that the existing forces we have in place and not actually working. Then the government actually has a tone of this quite right because we are not actually rolling out policy in all force but i think is about 19 so that means you have a pilot and not trying to eliminate across all forces butjust saying can this work and lets give it a go and i think thats the best approach. J and lets give it a go and i think thats the best approach. I suppose once ou thats the best approach. I suppose once you have thats the best approach. I suppose once you have served thats the best approach. I suppose once you have served your thats the best approach. I suppose once you have served your time, i thats the best approach. I suppose i once you have served your time, then society should move on and perhaps people should be forgiven and rehabilitated, but this is readable who have been convicted and are serving out the rest of their descendents. But outside prison, is it not . ,. ,. , descendents. But outside prison, is itnot . ,. ,. , it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me. So it it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me so it is it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me. So it is quite it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me. So it is quite a it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me. So it is quite a nuanced it not . Sorry, was not sure that was me. So it is quite a nuanced policy | me. So it is quite a nuanced policy and i do think it is part of a series of measures that are really aimed on making sure that as we have now lifted lock down and less restrictions have been eased that there is not a surge in crime. As i mentioned before, it is a way to appease a certain Tory Basement will always be keen on the tough on crime rhetoric. �. Always be keen on the tough on crime rhetoric. �. ,. , , rhetoric. And a sharp rise in violent crime rhetoric. And a sharp rise in violent crime post rhetoric. And a sharp rise in | violent crime post lockdown, rhetoric. And a sharp rise in violent crime post lockdown, james. That is a concern. Once you let people that is a concern. Once you let people back into the pub, and the nightclubs, surprise, surprise, they will spill nightclubs, surprise, surprise, they will spill out onto the streets afterwards and have a big fight. So that is a afterwards and have a big fight. So that is a worrying escalation that we are that is a worrying escalation that we are seeing. Perhaps inevitable and we we are seeing. Perhaps inevitable and we will have been shut down for so long and we will have been shut down for so long that and we will have been shut down for so long that there is an explosion of emotion so long that there is an explosion of emotion and unfortunately in this culture of emotion and unfortunately in this culture that will involve quite a Lot Of Culture that will involve quite a lot of drinking going hand with that lot of drinking going hand with that. However i agree withjasmine that. However i agree withjasmine that the that. However i agree withjasmine that the danger is once somebody has served that the danger is once somebody has served their that the danger is once somebody has served their time, they go out and they are served their time, they go out and they are demonised in some way and it is almost they are demonised in some way and it is almost like going back to the mediaeval it is almost like going back to the mediaeval era petty people in stocks mediaeval era petty people in stocks. We are pointing and laughing people stocks. We are pointing and laughing people who have done a crime when they have people who have done a crime when they have already served their time for that they have already served their time for that. And i think the danger is theyjust for that. And i think the danger is Theyjust Go down the route of crime and there Theyjust Go down the route of crime and there is Theyjust Go down the route of crime and there is no chance of them being rehabilitated after that. One and there is no chance of them being rehabilitated after that. Rehabilitated after that. One other Sto Ust rehabilitated after that. One other storyjust below rehabilitated after that. One other storyjust below that, rehabilitated after that. One other story just below that, over rehabilitated after that. One other storyjust below that, over half. Rehabilitated after that. One other storyjust below that, over half of| storyjust below that, over half of Covid 19 positive Cases Test positive after admission. This suggests that the government figures are quite badly out. Yes. Suggests that the government figures are quite badly out. Are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting story are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting story and are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting story and it are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting story and it poses are quite badly out. Yes, quite an interesting story and it poses alli interesting story and it poses all sorts of questions about how to data is actually recorded. See there is a big difference with the people who are coming in with kevin that team and who are coming in catching Covid 19 in hospital and coming in for other illnesses and then it turns out they have Covid 19. So i think there is a lot more nuanced to all of this Data And Nothing it does matter because government is making clinical decisions on affecting all of our lives off of data. So i think these sorts of stories are important because it is important to interrogate how data is being presented and whether or not it can be more nuanced or more granular it so i think its a very interesting story. So i think its a very interesting sto. � so i think its a very interesting sto. �. ,. ,. , story. And one wonders that the Health Or Terry story. And one wonders that the Health Or Terry said story. And one wonders that the Health Or Terry said having story. And one wonders that the | Health Or Terry said having tested positive he did not want to cower to the pandemic, but i wonder if that does actually reflect what many people in government are thinking now with these falling rates . J now with these falling rates . I understand that he had to apologise for that understand that he had to apologise forthat. I� m understand that he had to apologise for that. �. ,. Understand that he had to apologise for that. �. ,. ,. , for that. Im not sure he had to apologise for that. Im not sure he had to apologise but for that. Im not sure he had to apologise but he for that. Im not sure he had to apologise but he withdrew for that. Im not sure he had to apologise but he withdrew the | for that. Im not sure he had to apologise but he withdrew the tweet after sending it. find Apologise but he withdrew the tweet after sending it. After sending it. And i think its uuite an after sending it. And i think its quite an offensive after sending it. And i think its quite an offensive thing after sending it. And i think its quite an offensive thing to after sending it. And i think its quite an offensive thing to say| after sending it. And i think its i quite an offensive thing to say for many quite an offensive thing to say for many families who are suffering terrible many families who are suffering terrible loss of the moment, but it is true terrible loss of the moment, but it is true i terrible loss of the moment, but it is true. I agree withjasmine that these is true. I agree withjasmine that these new is true. I agree withjasmine that these new Revelations Today that mainly these new Revelations Today that mainly the stats are being skewered and it mainly the stats are being skewered and it may mainly the stats are being skewered and it may even mean that the pressure and it may even mean that the pressure on the nhs which we are all quite rightly deeply concerned about has been quite rightly deeply concerned about has been exaggerated if 44 of people has been exaggerated if 44 of people who are going into hospital classed people who are going into hospital classed as people who are going into hospital classed as Covid 19 positive, that means classed as Covid 19 positive, that means that there are 56 who are later means that there are 56 who are later categorised as Covid 19 positive later categorised as Covid 19 positive only after they go in. So that you positive only after they go in. So that you love her broken leg and they are that you love her broken leg and they are tested, but they have not gone they are tested, but they have not gone in they are tested, but they have not gone in with Covid 19 so really is giving gone in with Covid 19 so really is giving us gone in with Covid 19 so really is giving us a gone in with Covid 19 so really is giving us a kind of distorted view of the giving us a kind of distorted view of the picture nationwide of what is happening. And she is right that will inform Government Policy and could will inform Government Policy and could mean that we are locking down too long could mean that we are locking down too long because there is an over estimation too long because there is an over estimation of how many people are actually estimation of how many people are actually affected and are suffering with this actually affected and are suffering with this disease. That actually affected and are suffering with this disease. With this disease. That takes us neatly onto with this disease. That takes us neatly onto the with this disease. That takes us neatly onto the times. With this disease. That takes us neatly onto the times. The with this disease. That takes us. Neatly onto the times. The Enamel Picture of daley and his diving partner, Matty Lee, six consecutive drop in coronavirus cases puzzling scientists. 50 drop in coronavirus cases puzzling scientists. ,. , scientists. So the data is looking uuite scientists. So the data is looking quite interesting scientists. So the data is looking quite interesting at scientists. So the data is looking quite interesting at the scientists. So the data is looking quite interesting at the moment| quite interesting at the moment because your instinct says that we listen restrictions, we have all beenin listen restrictions, we have all been in the pub watching football, we should be seeing a surge of cases back to that is showing some in opposite. So i think it is encouraging but i think scientists are right in saying lets not get too carried away with ourselves most of there are a multitude of reasons why the data looks like it is. For example, schools are not closed and we are not doing the testing in schools and of course we have the weather and are spending less time outside and ventilated places and that could also be impacting infections. And so i think the data is interesting but i think we had a little bit longer to sort of assess where the trends are where we are as a country because i think we have been to this pandemic for so many months that is and as we think we are over something, something else comes from the corner so i think we are right to be looking at the statistics and not drawing any conclusions. {lit statistics and not drawing any conclusions. Conclusions. Of course with conditions conclusions. Of course with conditions perfect conclusions. Of course with conditions perfect for conclusions. Of course with conditions perfect for combating this because the higher temperatures and everything else, schools breaking up, if not, when in terms of easing the lock down in terms of trying to get the county back up and running . Trying to get the county back up and runnina . ~. ,. , ~ running . Without sounding like ee ore, a running . Without sounding like eeyore, a rather running . Without sounding like eeyore, a rather large running . Without sounding like| eeyore, a rather large journalist surrounded by clouds the whole time, what i surrounded by clouds the whole time, what i would say is that we do want to strike what i would say is that we do want to strike a what i would say is that we do want to strike a note of caution here in that we to strike a note of caution here in that we have not seen the true effects that we have not seen the true effects of that we have not seen the true effects of the dreadful Phrase Freedom Date yet. It takes two weeks for any Freedom Date yet. It takes two weeks for any infections to show up in the stats. For any infections to show up in the stats. And for any infections to show up in the stats, and we have not had that long since stats, and we have not had that long since the stats, and we have not had that long since the Grand Unlocking in england certainly since the Grand Unlocking in england certainly. And so i think i agree we must certainly. And so i think i agree we must he certainly. And so i think i agree we must be very cautious about this because must be very cautious about this because there could get and i hate to

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