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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are jason beattie, whos Assistant Editor at the daily mirror, and martin bentham, the home Affairs Editor for the evening standard. Let me bring you up to date what Jason And Martin have had a Sneak Preview of. 0h, burger thats the suns headline. It says the growing Nhs App Pingdemic is putting Summer Heatwave barbecues at threat. The i says the � world is watching johnsons gamble� , the planned ending of legal restrictions on monday, as cases spike across the uk. Theres a similar theme in the ft� s main story. It says global health experts say the lifting of restrictions in england is a threat to the world. The mail� s splash is � french holiday chaos�. It says thousands of Summer Holidays have been ruined after a last Minute Change to the Quarantine Rules for those crossing the channel. That story also makes the front of the times. It says the decision was made owing to concerns over the spread in france of the Beta Variant first identified in South Africa. French travel changes feature heavily in the telegraph. It also warns chaos caused by the nhs Test And Trace app could result in food shortages. The express is a little more upbeat, focusing on the Heatwave Forecast across britain. Soaring temperatures make the star� s front page. It predicts a � scorchio� few days as Britain Bathes in a � bermuda blast�. Right, let� s begin. Let� s start with france. Jason, can you explain what has changed and prompted this headline from the Daily Mail . Prompted this headline from the Dail Mail . ~. ,. , Daily Mail . Well, the explanation is the Beta Variant, Daily Mail . Well, the explanation is the Beta Variant, which Daily Mail . Well, the explanation is the Beta Variant, which is Daily Mail . Well, the explanation is the Beta Variant, which is the the Beta Variant, which is the strain of a virus that which comes from South Africa which is prevalent now in france. This must be incredibly frustrating for 500,000 british people going to france on holiday. We� ve been in the situation before. We saw it with portugal and their Advice Change very quickly. But it� s very difficult. People book their holidays, they� ve now got to come back from those holidays and they may have to self isolate and possibly take extra time off work. Some people can� t do it because they can afford it. There� S One other aspect which i don� t know the answer to. That is this is applies to people who are double jabbed. Does that mean that the two vaccinations aren� t effective against this variant . I don� t know the answer but i see that as part of the thinking. Martin, one of the companies put out a Statement Tonight saying the news that travellers returned to england from france will have to Quarantine Evenif from france will have to quarantine even if they are double vaccinated came as a surprise. Presumably, the implication is it� s a very quick change indeed. Presumably, if you have kids, it� s less of a problem about the kids because it they will be off school. Even if you go on holiday, they� ve got ten days afterwards, even though they might drive you up the wall. But for people working, it� s not the news they� re expecting. I people working, its not the news theyre expecting. People working, its not the news theyre expecting. I can correct you on that. I have theyre expecting. I can correct you on that. I have Children theyre expecting. I can correct you on that. I have Children and theyre expecting. I can correct you on that. I have Children and was. Theyre expecting. I can correct you | on that. I have Children and was due to go on that. I have Children and was due to go to on that. I have Children and was due to go to france, and i think its had to go to france, and i think its had it to go to france, and i think its had it because we have two younger Children had it because we have two younger Children and you cant keep them indoors Children and you cant keep them indoors. ,. , Children and you cant keep them indoors. Thats Children and you cant keep theml indoors. Thats actually indoors. Fair point. Thats actually almost harder indoors. Fair point. Thats actually almost harder in indoors. Fair point. Thats actually almost harder in reality. Indoors. Fair point. Thats actually almost harder in reality. But indoors. Fair point. Thats actually almost harder in reality. But i almost harder in reality. But i think almost harder in reality. But i think it almost harder in reality. But i think it certainly is a fairly rapid change think it certainly is a fairly rapid change. Flights were cancelled, just the same change. Flights were cancelled, just the same part of france. We were thinking the same part of france. We were thinking it the same part of france. We were thinking it would be viable once the double thinking it would be viable once the double jabbed at specht was in, quarantine would be removed Aspect Quarantine would be removed aspect 50. Quarantine would be removed aspect. So, it was a surprise. Last night aspect. So, it was a surprise. Last night there aspect. So, it was a surprise. Last night there was some speculation about night there was some speculation about france going to the red this. Its about france going to the red this. Its gone about france going to the red this. Its gone fairly similar, somewhere between its gone fairly similar, somewhere between the amber and red. The interesting thing about it is that well interesting thing about it is that well all interesting thing about it is that well all be worried about the Delta Variant well all be worried about the Delta Variant. Whats increasing now out of nowhere variant. Whats increasing now out of nowhere is the South African variant of nowhere is the South African variant back, which we thought had been variant back, which we thought had been and variant back, which we thought had been and gone. We variant back, which we thought had been and gone variant back, which we thought had been and gone. We thought we had been and gone. We thought we had been beaten been and gone. We thought we had been beaten by been and gone. We thought we had been beaten by the been and gone. We thought we had been beaten by the delta been and gone. We thought we had been beaten by the Delta Variant, l been beaten by the Delta Variant, and effectively was no longer transmitting, or in some ways it wasn� t one that was going to be of serious concern. Clearly, the medical Advice Changed. Take us onto the sun. It has a lovely headline. Great picture of three lads working all night looking forward to a barbecue. Looking forward to. Barbecue is at home might be in danger. This looking forward to. Barbecue is at home might be in danger. This is the story that at home might be in danger. This is the story that were at home might be in danger. This is the story that were going at home might be in danger. This is the story that were going to at home might be in danger. This is the story that were going to talk i the story that were going to talk about the story that were going to talk about in the story that were going to talk about in one of the other pages, the nhs out about in one of the other pages, the nhs out pinging. And they managed to find a colourful way to portray that find a colourful way to portray that not find a colourful way to portray that. Not being able to carry on working. That. Not being able to carry on working, and therefore potential shutdown. Of course, that colourful way of shutdown. Of course, that colourful way of depicting it, of course its far more way of depicting it, of course its far more serious than that if all sorts far more serious than that if all sorts of far more serious than that if all sorts of industries start to struggle to cooperate in emergency services, struggle to cooperate in emergency services, staff are not available because services, staff are not available because they havent self isolated in large because they havent self isolated in large numbers. They have to selfisolate in large numbers. They have to self isolate. That is a definite Brobient Self isolate. That is a definite problem. 0n the one hand, you have the restrictions being lifted, which ithink the restrictions being lifted, which i think a the restrictions being lifted, which i think a lot of people are glad about, i think a lot of people are glad about, but at the same time, if youve about, but at the same time, if youve got about, but at the same time, if youve got the same problem happening at the same time, and all these happening at the same time, and all these people have to self isolate, these people have to self isolate, the two these people have to self isolate, the two things. That is a problem which the two things. That is a problem which is the two things. That is a problem which is clearly down to increasing every which is clearly down to increasing every day which is clearly down to increasing every day that passes. Is which is clearly down to increasing every day that passes. Which is clearly down to increasing every day that passes. IS One of the desi. Ners every day that passes. IS One of the designers of every day that passes. IS One of the designers of the every day that passes. IS One of the designers of the out, every day that passes. IS One of the designers of the out, its every day that passes. IS One of the designers of the out, its Doing Designers of the out, it� s doing what it was supposed to do. People are criticising it, but this was what it was designed to do, to alert us when people had been in contact. Jason, do you want to pick up on the story . I think martin reflected that the problem here is where you� re meant to be having most restrictions lifted completely on monday. Is that a wise move to do . If you have greater freedoms, that� s going to lead to a greater number of cases. The argument from the government was for lifting freedom was primarily an economic one. We need to get the country back motoring again, but this is actually improving. Because so many people are off work. I� m sure martin will know this as well. It� s very hard to find somebody who hasn� t been pinged recently. It� s somebody who hasnt been pinged recentl. � , ,. , somebody who hasnt been pinged recentl. V , i. Recently. Its interesting you say that because recently. Its interesting you say that because the recently. Its interesting you say that because the telegraph recently. Its interesting you say that because the telegraph are | recently. Its interesting you say that because the telegraph are also says number ten said anyone has been notified should take action to isolate themselves. Yet it says it also. 0fficials isolate themselves. Yet it says it also. Officials have been in touch with business groups to make it clear that being pinged is only advisory. If the message in government is inconsistent, it doesn� T Help is very much. The government is inconsistent, it doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it is doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it is this doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it is this is doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it is this is based doesnT Help is very much. The other thing about it is this is based on thing about it is this is based on the Fact Thing about it is this is based on the fact that people have been double the fact that people have been double vaccinated in large portions. Therefore double vaccinated in large portions. Therefore have a degree of protection. The whole relaxation is predicated protection. The whole relaxation is predicated on that. Yet the pinging applies predicated on that. Yet the pinging applies to predicated on that. Yet the pinging applies to everybody. So, youre suddenly applies to everybody. So, youre suddenly being treated as if youre still at suddenly being treated as if youre still at risk, and there may be some evidence still at risk, and there may be some evidence around that. But the two things. Evidence around that. But the two things, which i would like us to be able to things, which i would like us to be able to do. Things, which i would like us to be able to do, but its meant to be that able to do, but its meant to be that were able to do, but its meant to be that were sick because were protected by the vaccine. Yet that isnt what protected by the vaccine. Yet that isnt what the pinging acting upon. Its isnt what the pinging acting upon. Its not isnt what the pinging acting upon. Its not treating everybody equally. Let� s move on to the i. World is watching johnson � s and bull. I suppose this is interesting because it was on dateline earlier johnson� s gamble. The Prime Minister from a Conservative Party in the netherlands. Very much a pro business, pro libertarian innocence within dutch politics. He lifted the restrictions ofjust over three weeks ago. He� s had to reimpose a lot of them because there� s been a huge increase in number of infections, and he� s apologised and said they got it wrong. He apologised and said they got it wronu. ,. ,. , wrong. He gave quite a groveling us a oloaies, wrong. He gave quite a groveling us apologies. Which wrong. He gave quite a groveling us apologies, which is wrong. He gave quite a groveling us apologies, which is not wrong. He gave quite a groveling us apologies, which is not something l wrong. He gave quite a groveling us i apologies, which is not something we see very often. The problem here with for Boris Johnson see very often. The problem here with for borisjohnson is they made very clear that these restrictions would be and this is their quote irreversible. That was echoed by veggiejavid. But it� s looking more and more likely that the main have to do this you turn sajid javid. Case numbers are 51,000 new cases today. That� s the highest since mid january. We� re still talking about 50 deaths a day, which is a horrific number. But there is a big Question Mark about why they pressed ahead with things like ending social distancing and the relaxation of rules on face coverings. Were they necessary to do that . Could it have been possible to put a bit more caution then we actually are . That� s why the world is watching. It is a gamble by the Prime Minister. They accepted there would be some increase cases. They never actually said how many cases, regardless stuff like what people won� t be able to see on screen from that image is what it says in the detail is Infection Rate appears likely to overtake highest recorded in country and days. Government considers exempting firefighters from staying at home. The last one, doctors fear that britain faces a clo bid explosion. The last two are Journalists Speculation Covid explosion. The first 22 rather suggests that something is shifting, and that might force the ground to shift with it the first two. The shift with it the first two. The Ruestion Shift with it the first two. The question is. Shift with it the first two. The question is, and shift with it the first two. The question is, and this was part of the argument, if not now, when . Of course the argument, if not now, when . Of course you the argument, if not now, when . Of course you can say yes, we should make course you can say yes, we should make another month or so. But on the other make another month or so. But on the other hand. Make another month or so. But on the other hand. If make another month or so. But on the other hand, if were. It could go on forever other hand, if were. It could go on forever it other hand, if were. It could go on forever it almost seems. Were now taiking on forever it almost seems. Were now talking about france having the south now talking about france having the South African variant, so i suppose the question is, if the vaccines and peopie the question is, if the vaccines and people being viable vaccinated in particular people being viable vaccinated in particular are somehow deemed well predicted particular are somehow deemed well predicted and theres a big risk of them predicted and theres a big risk of them getting other infections doubie them getting other infections double vaccinated, which is what the crucial double vaccinated, which is what the crucial thing is, double vaccinated, which is what the crucialthing is, if were in double vaccinated, which is what the crucial thing is, if were in that situation, crucial thing is, if were in that situation, even with double vaccines, situation, even with double vaccines, i suppose whats the solution vaccines, i suppose whats the solution to it all . Thats the other side of solution to it all . Thats the other side of It Solution to it all . Thats the other side of it. Y. ,. , i. , solution to it all . Thats the other side of it. Y. ,. ,. ,. , side of it. Jason, your thoughts on that. The People Side of it. Jason, your thoughts on that. The people over side of it. Jason, your thoughts on that. The people over here side of it. Jason, your thoughts on that. The people over here at side of it. Jason, your thoughts on that. The people over here at this| that. The people over here at this time have estimated that. The people over here at this time have estimated 3. 8 that. The people over here at this time have estimated 3. 8 who that. The people over here at this| time have estimated 3. 8 who have some clinically vulnerable. Monday is not Freedom Day for them. They are extremely worried about this. The Government Advice it is to go out when it� s quiet. That� s not a great deal of freedom. I come back to my point earlier. Yes, there was a case of using restrictions, but the call i think they got wrong was to lift everything. I think there was a very strong argument for keeping social distancing or wearing a facemask. And not to make it a free for all and you make the decision. I don� t quite understand why they didn� T Throw that bar. Martin . J why they didnT Throw that bar. Martin . ~. ,. ,. , why they didnT Throw that bar. Martin . ~. ,. ,. , martin . I think it goes back to what i said. The Argument Martin . I think it goes back to what i said. The argument would martin . I think it goes back to what i said. The argument would be martin . I think it goes back to what i said. The argument would be that| i said. The argument would be that if not i said. The argument would be that if not now. I said. The argument would be that if not now, then how much different from the if not now, then how much different from the situation . We are always going from the situation . We are always going to from the situation . We are always going to have a fair portion of peopie going to have a fair portion of people who are vulnerable. That will not change people who are vulnerable. That will not change. How we proceed is always oin not change. How we proceed is always going to not change. How we proceed is always going to have to take account of that, going to have to take account of that, and going to have to take account of that, and the question is how much consideration is given to that in Terms Consideration is given to that in terms ofm consideration is given to that in terms of. Up until now, what weve been terms of. Up until now, what weve been doing terms of. Up until now, what weve been doing is terms of. Up until now, what weve been doing is get through and get a solution been doing is get through and get a solution to been doing is get through and get a solution to the Vaccination Scheme to find solution to the Vaccination Scheme to find a solution to the Vaccination Scheme to find a way to be able to live with to find a way to be able to live with the to find a way to be able to live with the risk of this in a way that doesnt with the risk of this in a way that doesnt overwhelm the nhs and cause lare doesnt overwhelm the nhs and cause large numbers of deaths. If the vaccine large numbers of deaths. If the Vaccine Isnt going to protect us from Vaccine Isnt going to protect us from that Vaccine Isnt going to protect us from that in a sufficient way, that It May from that in a sufficient way, that It May be from that in a sufficient way, that It May be that a different approach has to It May be that a different approach has to be It May be that a different approach has to be taken, which is we have to learn has to be taken, which is we have to learn to has to be taken, which is we have to learn to just has to be taken, which is we have to learn Tojust Exist has to be taken, which is we have to learn to just exist with it. Thats Mav Learn to just exist with it. Thats may be learn to just exist with it. Thats may be a learn to just exist with it. Thats may be a difficult step and maybe its worth may be a difficult step and maybe its worth one more heave and staying its worth one more heave and staying on. Its worth one more heave and staying on, but we do have to see an end aim staying on, but we do have to see an end aim to staying on, but we do have to see an end aim to it staying on, but we do have to see an end aim to it. We cant go on forever end aim to it. We cant go on forever living in this restrictive existence

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