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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to whAt the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are olivia utley, assistant Comment Editor At The Telegraph, and rob merrick, deputy Political Editor of the independent. Welcome to both of you. Good to have you back with us. You survive the football and you have restrained yourselves on the celebrAtions or commiserAtion. Thanks for thAt. England get the job done, says The Telegraph, which feAtures a picture of Footballer Raheem Sterling celebrAting after he scored the goal thAt sealed the win against the Czech Republic this evening. The metro also feAtures the football on its front page, in particular the 60,000 fans thAt will be allowed into Wembley Stadium for the euros final, calling it a lockdown milestone. The financial times focuses on how the pandemic has been a boon for the wealthy, with more than 5 Million people becoming millionaires in the last year. The guardian leads on Government Ministers pushing ahead with proposals to privAtise channel 4, which would put an end to the broadcasters a0 years as a publicly owned service. And the mail looks At the possibility of quarantine free holidays, saying thAt ministers are urging Borisjohnson To Ease Travel curbs At the same time as restrictions in england are lifted. Expected now onjuly 19. Lets begin, and expected now onjuly19. Lets begin, and olivia, do you want to ecosoc this evening with The Telegraph and the football . A lovely photograph. It is telegraph and the football . A lovely hotoarah. ,. , telegraph and the football . A lovely hotoarah. ,. , photograph. It is a lovely photograph photograph. It is a lovely photograph. He photograph. It is a lovely photograph. He was photograph. It is a lovely photograph. He was a. Photograph. It is a lovely i photograph. He was a greAt photograph. It is a lovely photograph. He was a greAt moment. Nothing most interesting mAtch in the World Football commentAtors might shut me down, i dont know whAt i am talking about, but it was glorious, fantastic and have some good news, and whAt a goal, in such a good set up as well as the goal, an amazing wAtch and i thickened as put everyone into good move for the evening. No bad thing. I think if youre in scotland fan, it is rAther more subdued Atmosphere, rob, for scotland, but as a Ation-success'>Home NAtion Success and getting through to the last 16, wales too, its a lot to look forward to. It last16, wales too, its a lot to look forward to. Last 16, wales too, its a lot to look forward to. It makes it worth sta in in look forward to. It makes It Worth Staying in the look forward to. It makes It Worth Staying in the Art Look forward to. It makes It Worth Staying in the Art Evening look forward to. It makes It Worth Staying in the Art Evening when i look forward to. It makes It Worth Staying in the Art Evening when it| staying in the Art Evening when it is raining outside to wAtch football instead. figs is raining outside to wAtch football instead. � ,. Is raining outside to wAtch football instead. A. ~ ,. ,. , instead. As a Welshman Cabaye did whAt i would instead. As a Welshman Cabaye did whAt i would be instead. As a Welshman Cabaye did whAt i would be expected instead. As a Welshman Cabaye did whAt i would be expected to instead. As a Welshman Cabaye did whAt i would be expected to do instead. As a Welshman Cabaye didi whAt i would be expected to do and Wash The whAt i would be expected to do and Wash The whAt i would be expected to do and Wash The wAtched scotts. A really Wash The wAtched scotts. A really good Wash The wAtched scotts. A really good mAtch. As a Bushman Cub we dont really good mAtch. As a Bushman Cub we dont really care whether england ets we dont really care whether england gets through, but it is greAt for the England Fence and wAtching them et the England Fence and wAtching them get knocked out next week as a welsh get knocked out next week as a welsh mart get knocked out next week as a Welsh Man get knocked out next week as a Welsh Man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin Welsh Man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin not Welsh Man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin not me Welsh Man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin not me or Welsh Man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin not me or olivia. Welsh man. Any comments on thAt, direct to robin not me or olivia. On | direct to robin not me or 0livia. 0n the metro, this is interesting, regardless of the mAtches and the teams, is the potentialfor a significant number of people to be in wembley come the final cover which is really only a couple of weeks away, July 11 . Which is really only a couple of weeks away, july11 . Which is really only a couple of weeks away, july11 . Yes, its going to be a big weeks away, july11 . Yes, its going to be a big big weeks away, july11 . Yes, its going to be a big big change. Weeks away, july11 . Yes, its going to be a big big change. The weeks away, july11 . Yes, its going to be a big big change. The capacity has benefited to 22,000, thAt is going has benefited to 22,000, thAt is going to has benefited to 22,000, thAt is going to 45,000 for the next round of games, going to 45,000 for the next round of games, the government announcing it will he of games, the government announcing it will be 60,000 for the semifinals. Viewers may be under the impression semifinals. Viewers may be under the impression were in the middle of a third wave impression were in the middle of a third wave of covid, there are 11,000 third wave of covid, there are 11,000 cases a day, and the uk has the highest 11,000 cases a day, and the uk has the highest number of covid cases anywhere the highest number of covid cases anywhere in europe, but lo and behold. Anywhere in europe, but lo and behold, the government announced thAt fans behold, the government announced thAt fans can pack into wembley, so whAt the thAt fans can pack into wembley, so whAt the heck is going on here . The government whAt the heck is going on here . The government imposes restrictions any time and government imposes restrictions any time and Wants to come aboard and Wants time and Wants to come aboard and Wants to time and Wants to come aboard and Wants to have fans, it calls it a Wants'>Trial Wants to have fans, it calls it a Trial Event Wants to have fans, it calls it a Trial Event. When it is something ike Trial Event. When it is something the tennis Trial Event. When it is something Ike Tennis or football, the rules go out the Ike Tennis or football, the rules go out the window. They can. Again, it is greAt out the window. They can. Again, it is greAt news, we do have a semifinals it is greAt news, we do have a semifinals and a final here in london. Semifinals and a final here in london, but viewers might well wonder london, but viewers might well wonder if london, but viewers might well wonder if this is really the right Thing Wonder if this is really the right thing to wonder if this is really the right thing to be doing when the covid Ation-thing'>SituAtion Thing to be doing when the covid situAtion is deteriorAting again. Olivia, situAtion is deteriorAting again. Olivia, Ation'>Do SituAtion is deteriorAting again. 0livia, do you think the charge of hypocrisy which is how The Telegraph describes it, in this news in brief on the front of tomorrow mornings paper, is thAt charge go to stick for the government, do you think . Yeah. I come from opposite, but similar perspective to rob, if thAt makes sense. I think it is ludicrously hypocritical. It really does feel like one rule for them and another rule for the rest of us. We are still not allowed to dance At weddings, my friend is getting married on the 17th ofjuly, and they are just try to test for the record whAt they are and are not allowed to do. Today it was reported in The Telegraph thAt it is the bride and Grooms Responsibility to make sure their guests are Covid Complaint for some meanwhile we have 6000 people in wembley and as many vips as you want. Unlike rob, from my perspective, and we have a lot of science over the last couple of weeks thAt it doesnt mAtter thAt much cases are on the rise, yes, they are, but the link between cases and hospitalisAtions have been broken or very nearly broken. We have always said we have got to learn to live with covid, so i do not think it is a massive problem they are going to be six 2000 Blood Wembley for the final and semifinals, but i think it is meant thAt while thAt is happening, researchers are still in place for some as rob said, when it is important, the rules go out the window. Parties can weddings, Wedding Anniversaries are all important and they should be going too. , ,. ,. , important and they should be going too. , i. ,. , , important and they should be going too. , too. Rob, did you want to come back on thAt . I too. Rob, did you want to come back on thAt . I did too. Rob, did you want to come back on thAt . I did see too. Rob, did you want to come back on thAt . I did see you too. Rob, did you want to come back on thAt . I did see you frowning on thAt . I did see you frowning there. I on thAt . I did see you frowning there. , on thAt . I did see you frowning there. ,. , on thAt . I did see you frowning there. ,. , there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said. I there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said. I do there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said. I do not there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said. I do not think there. I agree with most of whAt olivia said. I do not think the there. I agree with most of whAt i olivia said. I do not think the Case 0livia said. I do not think the case between 0livia said. I do not think the case between hospitalisAtions and cases has been between hospitalisAtions and cases has been broken to my thicket is weaken has been broken to my thicket is weaker. Weve not seen enough yet to be certain weaker. Weve not seen enough yet to be certain and i am on the say it is better be certain and i am on the say it is hetterto be certain and i am on the say it is better to keep be certain and i am on the say it is Betterto Keepa be certain and i am on the say it is better to keep a bit of research and the hit better to keep a bit of research and the bit longer until everybody is vaccinAted, but i do not think we are i vaccinAted, but i do not think we are million miles apart stopped certainly. Are million miles apart stopped certainly, it is incredible, isnt it, certainly, it is incredible, isnt it. But certainly, it is incredible, isnt it. But the certainly, it is incredible, isnt it, but the rules go out the window because it, but the rules go out the window because it it, but the rules go out the window because it is Football And Tennis . I think because it is Football And Tennis . I think we because it is Football And Tennis . I think we can agree on thAt stop whAt we are think we can agree on thAt stop whAt we are staying on The Telegraph, back we are staying on The Telegraph, hack to we are staying on The Telegraph, back to The Telegraph. This we are staying on The Telegraph, back to The Telegraph. Back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. Back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. It back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. It is back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. It is not back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. It is not an back to The Telegraph. This is Michael Gove. It is not an interview he has done in the last couple of Days Cub just happen to be a document for your paper is putting on his website, but it is interesting, given thAt Michael Gove has sort of input quietly, because borisjohnson Is Minister for the Boris Johnson Is Minister for The Union, borisjohnson Is Minister for The Union, a title he took for himself, but he has been really put in charge of whAt we call policy for The Union and he is basically saying, he is almost putting kind of a minimum Time Limit on one another referendum could be held At. It is Time Limit on one another referendum could be held At. Could be held At. It is not a future rice thAt could be held At. It is not a future price thAt government could be held At. It is not a future price thAt government has could be held At. It is not a future price thAt government has been L Price thAt government has been pretty firm from the beginning thAt they probably will not be another scottish referendum until At least after the next election, but as you say it is pretty significant coming for Michael Gove, who is the fact of ministerfor The Union for Michael Gove, who is the fact of minister for The Union will Boris Johnson is obviously tied up with some other things. Covid be one of them. I think, some other things. Covid be one of them. Ithink, obviously, this is not going to go down with the smp, but i do not understand how anyone could be surprised about this snp. Everyone called it a once in a generAtion referendum. 0bviously snp. Everyone called it a once in a generAtion referendum. Obviously is not the time for massive political upheaval while we are still getting over covid, getting the country back on his feet, and the other thing is, scotlands win in the last election was not thAt decisive. If they this Blowing Everybody else out of the wAter victory, then it would be possible to say the smp had a very strong mandAte for a referendum, but as it is, ijust dont think the case is thAt strong S And P. Also the fact the snp was talking down how much they want to have referendum for the election before the election to place just proves they are not feeling thAt confident about it. Im sure Nicola Sturgeon will be out, being very upset about whAt gove has said in the next couple of days, but deep down, does she really want this referendum . Does anyone . Rab. Down, does she really want this referendum . Does anyone . Rob, i wonder how referendum . Does anyone . Rob, i wonder how this referendum . Does anyone . Rob, i wonder how this is referendum . Does anyone . Rob, i wonder how this is regarded referendum . Does anyone . Rob, i wonder how this is regarded At wonder how this is regarded At Westminster Post because there are those on the conservAtive site who are quite worried on the pressures of The Union, both in Northern Ireland, in the context of the northern Ireland Protocol and whether thAt might push some in Northern Ireland to see a United Ireland At some point, the 100th Anniversary of the partition of the island of ireland which has been marked very recently, more calls for Welsh Independence and Plaid Cymru did not do brilliantly in the brush elections, but there was thAt element come and now this sense thAt saying no is not enough of a policy to kind of convince people in scotland is worth staying in The Union rAther than leaving. It is weird. Union rAther than leaving. It is weird The Union rAther than leaving. It is weird. The Financers Union rAther than leaving. It is weird. The financers At one point we would weird. The financers At one point we would not weird. The financers At one point we would not have a scottish referendum for 40 would not have a scottish referendum for 40 years, so we know his position for 40 years, so we know his position is for 40 years, so we know his position is. And this is not a Question Position is. And this is not a question of now, 0livia rightly said question of now, 0livia rightly said his question of now, 0livia rightly said. His Independence Referendum now when said. His Independence Referendum now when the polls are so close . She need to now when the polls are so close . She need to have now when the polls are so close . She need to have a decisive lead going into a need to have a decisive lead going into a referendum, but her party will only into a referendum, but her party will only wait so long, so whAt will happen . Will only wait so long, so whAt will happen . And Independence Referendum it will he happen . And Independence Referendum it will be brought forward At holyrood in the next couple of years and then holyrood in the next couple of years and then they will be a legal standoff. Who knows . It will go to the supreme court. Maybe this up in court the supreme court. Maybe this up in Court Will The Supreme court. Maybe this up in court will have the power to deny it scotland court will have the power to deny it scotland and Independence Referendum, but thAt is for the future, referendum, but thAt is for the future, it referendum, but thAt is for the future, it is referendum, but thAt is for the future, it is not a question for an alpha future, it is not a question for an Alpha Sub future, it is not a question for an Alpha Sub in future, it is not a question for an Alpha Sub in some ways it seems easier Alpha Sub in some ways it seems easier for Alpha Sub in some ways it seems easier for the irish to achieve unity easier for the irish to achieve unity than easier for the irish to achieve unity than it is for the scottish and independence, because when it comes and independence, because when it comes to and independence, because when it comes to scotland, we will have the same comes to scotland, we will have the same issues are ready Trade Border, this time same issues are ready Trade Border, this time between scotland and england, where the island, there is already england, where the island, there is already a england, where the island, there is already a Trade Border in the irish sea, already a Trade Border in the irish sea, southern and Northern Ireland are coming sea, southern and Northern Ireland are coming closer together, and there are coming closer together, and there has are coming closer together, and there has to be a Unity Pull if there there has to be a Unity Pull if there is there has to be a Unity Pull if there is a there has to be a Unity Pull if there is a majority in Northern Ireland there is a majority in Northern Ireland wanting it. Ireland wanting it. Interesting stuff in the ireland wanting it. Interesting stuff in the future, ireland wanting it. Interesting stuff in the future, but ireland wanting it. Interesting stuff in the future, but may i ireland wanting it. Interesting L Stuff in the future, but may not ireland wanting it. Interesting stuff in the future, but may not be too far in the future. Something a bit nearer, rob, and thAt is blueprint for holiday liftoff. At least the Daily Mail excel. I do know know if this is because the dealing and want this to do so or they heard something new. ThAt dealing and want this to do so or they heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday they heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday had they heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday had there. They heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday had there. They heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday had there. I they heard something new. At the Q Hit The Sunday had there. I think| hit the sunday had there. I think you hit hit the sunday had there. I think you hit the hit the sunday had there. I think you hit the nail on the had there. It you hit the nail on the had there. It seems you hit the nail on the had there. It seems an you hit the nail on the had there. It seems an Attempt to bounce the government into. I would very much like this government into. I would very much like this Story Government into. I would very much like this story to be true, but every like this story to be true, but every time the Prime Ministers asked about every time the Prime Ministers asked about this. Every time the Prime Ministers asked about this, he is cautious about people about this, he is cautious about people going abroad this summer. He Wants people going abroad this summer. He Wants people to holiday At home. We were led Wants people to holiday At home. We were led to Wants people to holiday At home. We were led to believe if you days ago thAt perhaps this requirement of people thAt perhaps this requirement of people to self isolAte At home when they come people to self isolAte At home when they come back from in At risk country. They come back from in At risk country, even if they are double vaccinAted, perhaps thAt would be lifted vaccinAted, perhaps thAt would be lifted towards the end of the summer. This story suggesting if youd summer. This story suggesting if youd be summer. This story suggesting if youd be lifted as early asjuly19, but i youd be lifted as early asjuly19, but i think youd be lifted as early asjuly19, but i think thAt is whAt some people Wants. But i think thAt is whAt some people Wants. And but i think thAt is whAt some people Wants, and it does not seem to me At the moment Wants, and it does not seem to me At the moment thAt is whAt the Prime Minister the moment thAt is whAt the Prime Minister Wants. Minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock At minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock At thIs Minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock At this legal minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock At this legal Action Minister Wants. Olivia, because we have knock At this legal action thAt i think ryanair, british airways, virgin, various others, are involved in to get the government to show its workings, as they used to say in school and college, show how you got to the conclusion these countries should be a red Country Or Ember country. Using the government has a bit of a rod for its own back with its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole notion its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole notion of its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole notion of an its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole notion of an amberj its traffic like system . Absolutel to the whole notion of an Amber List was always ridiculous absolutely. It has been a complete mess, and it always felt like some thing which had been very, very poorly thought her and just put forward because they couldnt really think of anything else to do so i am not surprised thAt they are facing this huge legal bAttle. But i agree with rob. I read this story and thought it sound more like something the Daily Mail Wants, and the rest of us Wants, not something thAt the government is going to do. Everything we are hearing is thAt the government is going to, it might be possible to travel abroad, it might be there is slightly easier, but going abroad over the next weeks, months, its going to be very, very, very difficult to go abroad, its going to be socially an acceptable to go abroad, and i thAt is whAt the government is driving home. Everything we hear Boris Johnson and Att-hancock'>MAtt Hancock speaking about this, it sounds of the price for domestic restrictions being listed on the 19th Ofjuly is thAt foreign travel is still pretty restricted. Soy do not really think this is particularly a good news story, though i hAte to say thAt. Got to make sure no ministers, cabinet orjunior, are spotted going through an airport during the course of the summer lets move on to talk about. Two linked stories, rob. Weve got the ft saying more than 5 Million people become billionaires despite the pandemic, a lot of detail in thAt story, yet the Yorkshire Posts lead story is north plunged into debt by virus

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