Bringing us tomorrow. With me arejoe mayes, Uk Politics reporter at bloomberg and sian griffiths, Education Editor at The Sunday Times. Hello to you. Quickly take our viewers to the front pages. John bercow the former conservative Mp And House of Commons Speaker defecting to labour with a withering attack on borisjohnson is the observers lead. The paper quotes Mr Bercow as saying todays tory party is reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes xenophobic. Matt hancock kept the Prime Minister in the dark Overjabs Success is the Sunday Telegraphs headline. It says the Health Secretary sat on positive data for three days ahead of a meeting that ruled the unlocking of restrictions must be delayed. The sunday times features a picture of four year old Ella Harris highlighting the £100,000 bill her father has received to repair the cladding on their one bedroom Flat in salford. The paper says its just one example of families receving ruinous bills in the Cladding Scandal. The Sunday Express says more than 50 conservative mps are backing plans to step up a Lockdown Fight with plans for a new � pandemic law� to block future lockdowns. Help the 1. 1 MillionLong Covid Victims is the plea in the the Sunday People to formally class the condition as a disability, especially those who have been Front Line casualties. The independent� s main Picture Story is of thousands of People Queuing at Coronavirus Vaccination centres above its main story that Record Demand at A E is putting patient lives at risk with a spike in pressure on Hospital Emergency departments. The Mail On Sunday claims prince charles wont let archie be a prince in a slimmed down monarchy after he becomes king. The paper says its the issue that incensed the sussexes and led to a row culminating in comments on the oprah winfrey show. So, lets begin. Joe, you will kick us off, please. The front of the telegraph concerning the Health Secretary. Yes, its another negative story relating to the Health Secretary saying that he sat on this data which showed, you know, strong efficacy of the vaccines against the Delta Variant and that this information, so the story says, was only given to the Prime Minister and his team moments before a crucial meeting when the final decision was made about lengthening the coronavirus restrictions, so the claim here is that he was perhaps trying to bounce borisjohnson into doing that to in the Department Of Health the story denies that claim, but it is another, essentially, kind of attack on Matt Hancock a week when we had whatsapp messages published by Dominic Cummings showing that the Prime Minister had called Matt Hancock hopeless. This is another incidents where clearly a briefing is going on against Matt Hancock and this is a latest iteration with that. Hancock and this is a latest iteration with that. ,. ,. ,. ,~ iteration with that. You have to ask the Question Iteration with that. You have to ask the question when, iteration with that. You have to ask the question when, as iteration with that. You have to ask the question when, as we iteration with that. You have to ask the question when, as we get the question when, as we get confirmation of a third wave now, does this story still stand . Confirmation of a third wave now, does this story still stand . Well, i think it does does this story still stand . Well, i think it does still does this story still stand . Well, i think it does still stand does this story still stand . Well, i think it does still stand because. Think it does still stand because the decision was made not to unlock all the the decision was made not to unlock all the restrictions onjune 21 and it may all the restrictions onjune 21 and it may well all the restrictions onjune 21 and it may well be that it does look as though it may well be that it does look as though that was the right decision to make though that was the right decision to make and to delay Freedom Day, as it has to make and to delay Freedom Day, as it has been to make and to delay Freedom Day, as it has been cold, but nevertheless, it has been cold, but nevertheless, it remains it has been cold, but nevertheless, it remains a it has been cold, but nevertheless, it remains a fact that within the conservative party, there are different conservative party, there are different factions, some of whom would different factions, some of whom would agree with that decision to delay would agree with that decision to delay Freedom Day and others who were really rather angry about it and i were really rather angry about it and i very were really rather angry about it and i very keen that restrictions do et and i very keen that restrictions do get lifted and i very keen that restrictions do get lifted as soon as possible and that the get lifted as soon as possible and that the economy, you know, gets back to that the economy, you know, gets back to normal and businesses do not collapse back to normal and businesses do not collapse and back to normal and businesses do not collapse and people keep theirjobs and i suspect that it is those divisions and i suspect that it is those divisions that are leading to this Briefing Divisions that are leading to this Briefing War against Matt Hancock who is, Briefing War against Matt Hancock who is, of Briefing War against Matt Hancock who is, of course, desperate whose overriding who is, of course, desperate whose overriding concern is to ensure that the nhs overriding concern is to ensure that the nhs does not get overwhelmed by covert the nhs does not get overwhelmed by Covert Cases. The nhs does not get overwhelmed by Covert CasesCovert Cases. What fate do you see for Mr Hancock . Covert cases. What fate do you see for Mr Hancock . In Covert Cases. What fate do you see for Mr Hancock . In the Covert Cases. What fate do you see for Mr Hancock . In the near Covert Cases. What fate do you see | for Mr Hancock . In the near future, for Mr Hancock . In the nearfuture, his future . I for Mr Hancock . In the near future, his future . His future . I think we are expecting a Cabinet Reshuffle his future . I think we are expecting a Cabinet Reshuffle to his future . I think we are expecting a Cabinet Reshuffle to happen his future . I think we are expecting a Cabinet Reshuffle to happen once | a Cabinet Reshuffle to happen once these Restrictions Ease and i think it is a good chance we could see Matt Hancock moved out at that moment. We saw in those messages from Dominic Colin that Michael Gove is perhaps in favour, so his future is perhaps in favour, so his future is tenuous at the moment. The headline is, voters want at the moment. The headline is, voters want a at the moment. The headline is, voters want a return at the moment. The headline is, voters want a return to at the moment. The headline is, voters want a return to fiscal voters want a Return To Fiscal Discipline. Voters want a Return To Fiscal Discipline voters want a return to fiscal disciline. ,. ,. , discipline. This is an article that peter fleet. Discipline. This is an article that peter fleet, the discipline. This is an article that peter fleet, the tory discipline. This is an article that peter fleet, the tory candidate | discipline. This is an article that peter fleet, the tory candidate who was beaten in the Chesham And AmershamBy Election has risen for the Sunday AmershamBy Election has risen for the Sunday Telegraph and he is trying the Sunday Telegraph and he is trying to the Sunday Telegraph and he is trying to explain, i think, why it was that trying to explain, i think, why it was that the 16,000 majority that the tories was that the 16,000 majority that the tories enjoyed in that seat was overturned the tories enjoyed in that seat was overturned by the Liberal Democrats, so he overturned by the Liberal Democrats, so he gives overturned by the Liberal Democrats, so he gives various reasons, but one of them so he gives various reasons, but one of them is so he gives various reasons, but one of them is that he thinks tory voters of them is that he thinks tory voters are of them is that he thinks tory voters are worried that the traditional Tory Emphasis On Fiscal Discipline Traditional tory emphasis on fiscal discipline is kind of being thrown out of discipline is kind of being thrown out of the discipline is kind of being thrown out of the window and that we might end up out of the window and that we might end up with out of the window and that we might end up with a bloated public Sector And Tax end up with a bloated public Sector And Tax rises to pay for that. He comes and tax rises to pay for that. He comes up and tax rises to pay for that. He comes up with some other reasons as well. Comes up with some other reasons as well he comes up with some other reasons as well he says comes up with some other reasons as well. He says that tory voters were very upset well. He says that tory voters were very upset about the hs two rail line, very upset about the hs two rail line, upset about Planning Reforms which line, upset about Planning Reforms which mean more houses will be built in the which mean more houses will be built in the leafy which mean more houses will be built in the leafy shires and which mean more houses will be built in the leafy shires and quite which mean more houses will be built in the leafy shires and quite a local in the leafy shires and quite a local one. In the leafy shires and quite a local one, they are really fed up about local one, they are really fed up about the local one, they are really fed up about the appalling state of the local roads and there is an interesting phrase in his article, he says interesting phrase in his article, he says the tory voters like and respect he says the tory voters like and respect the chancellor, who is very keen respect the chancellor, who is very keen on respect the chancellor, who is very keen on keeping a very tight hold on the purse keen on keeping a very tight hold on the Purse Strings and not spending our way the Purse Strings and not spending our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in. G. , our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in l our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in. Joe . Ithink our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in. Joe . I think there our way out of the Covid Crisis that we are in. Joe . Ithink there is we are in. Joe . I think there is sliuht we are in. Joe . I think there is slight perhaps we are in. Joe . I think there is slight perhaps floor we are in. Up ithink there is slight perhaps floor you might see slight perhaps floor you might see in this argument is that does voting for the Liberal Democrats send the message that we want to have more fiscal discipline because my car to see that. I think the local issues had a very strong factor particularly around planning, talking about how the chilterns were in danger from talking about how the chilterns were in Dangerfrom Planning reforms which would make it easier for the government to build houses in greener areas. Those were very important factors and we can expect more of that in coming months when the Planning Bill comes to parliament for lots of Southern Tory mps are worried about exit development, so that is a big battle to look out for on the horizon. The sunday times, your paper here, sian, spend, spend, spend. This The Sunday Times, your paper here, sian, spend, spend, spend. Sian, spend, spend, spend. This is from our political sian, spend, spend, spend. This is from our political editor sian, spend, spend, spend. This is from our political editor which from our political editor which picks from our political editor which picks up from our political editor which picks up on the story we have just been picks up on the story we have just been talking about. The story says that Downing Street and the treasury, So Borisjohnson and Rishi Sunak treasury, So Borisjohnson and Rishi Sunak are treasury, So Borisjohnson and Rishi Sunak are at treasury, So Borisjohnson and Rishi Sunak are at loggerheads over tax and Public Sunak are at loggerheads over tax and Public Spending and there is kind of and Public Spending and there is kind of growing alarm according to tim that kind of growing alarm according to tim that borisjohnson keeps announcing plans that are costing billions announcing plans that are costing billions when there is no money to pay for billions when there is no money to pay for them, so among the things that boris pay for them, so among the things that borisjohnson is keen on is a royal that borisjohnson is keen on is a Royal Yacht that borisjohnson is keen on is a Royal Yacht which would cost £209. At the Royal Yacht which would cost £209. At the recent 67 Royal Yacht which would cost £209. At the recent g7 summit, he announced a Marshall Plan for global green announced a Marshall Plan for global green growth. Would cost £20 million green growth. Would cost £20 million the green growth. Would cost £20 million. The Marshall Plan has not been million. The Marshall Plan has not been costed. We know about the education been costed. We know about the Education Catch up plans that boris Johnson Education Catch up plans that Boris Johnson was talking up earlier this Year Johnson was talking up earlier this year which johnson was talking up earlier this year which would have cost £15 Billion year which would have cost £15 Billion but Rishi Sunak only gave 1. 5 Billion but Rishi Sunak only gave 15 Billion billion but Rishi Sunak only gave 1. 5 Billion and that led to the resignation of Boris Johnsons Catch Up Resignation of Boris Johnsons catch up recoveries are, so there do seem to be up recoveries are, so there do seem to be division up recoveries are, so there do seem to be division here between Rishi Sunak to be division here between Rishi Sunak and to be division here between Rishi Sunak and borisjohnson to be division here between Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson about how we are going sunak and Boris Johnson about how we are going To Sunak and Boris Johnson about how we are going to pay for the Covid Recovery are going to pay for the Covid Recovery and some of these very, very ambitious schemes that Boris Johnson very ambitious schemes that Boris Johnson announces, obviously thinking johnson announces, obviously thinking he will get fantastic headlines from them. Thinking he will get fantastic headlines from them. Joe . What I Felt was headlines from them. Up what I Felt was interesting in this Story Felt was interesting in this story is the discussion around the Triple Lock for pensions. It seems that is probably the area where we might see the government to move on a previous Data Position and relax that provision for as we know, the current commitment is that painters will always rise by the highest of 2. 5 , Flation-or-pay'>InFlation Or Pay increases which has seen significant increases for pensioners when many people are going to hardship and the article suggests that that is where a Rishi Sunak will safe we need to change that where boris does not want to do that. That is the big battle i see coming on the spending front. The last i coming on the spending front. The last i think coming on the spending front. The last i think of coming on the spending front. The last i think of our political stories, lots of politics on the front pages, we are going to turn to the front page of the observer and a story that broke this evening. John burkle defected to labour with a withering attack on the Prime Minister. John bercow. Withering attack on the Prime Minister. John bercow. Very interesting minister. John bercow. Very interesting story, minister. John bercow. Very interesting story, an minister. John bercow. Very interesting story, an interviewl minister. John bercow. Very interesting story, an interview with john bercow, the former speaker. As you say, john bercow, the former speaker. As you say, it john bercow, the former speaker. As you say, it is john bercow, the former speaker. As you say, it is an absolutely withering attack on the tory party. He says. Withering attack on the tory party. He says. He withering attack on the tory party. He says, he describes it as shameful to cut he says, he describes it as shameful to cut international aid, he says he is motivated by supporting equality, internationalism, implying that the conservative party is not. And He Scholes conservative party is not. And He Scholes and Boris Johnson a successful campaigner but a lousy governor~ successful campaigner but a lousy governor. People are sick of lies, empty governor. People are sick of lies, empty slogans and a failure to deliver. Empty slogans and a failure to deliver, he says, so he is not mincing deliver, he says, so he is not mincing his deliver, he says, so he is not mincing his words. There is some speculation mincing his words. There is some speculation in the piece about whether speculation in the piece about whether this is a sort of Revenge Move whether this is a sort of Revenge Move by whether this is a sort of Revenge MoveByjohn Bercow because when he steps Move Byjohn Bercow because when he steps down Move Byjohn Bercow because when he steps down as speaker, he did not become steps down as speaker, he did not become a steps down as speaker, he did not become a peer in the House Of Lords as become a peer in the House Of Lords as has become a peer in the House Of Lords as has happened to other speakers, but he as has happened to other speakers, but he completely denies that. He is married but he completely denies that. He is married to but he completely denies that. He is married to Sally Bercow Who was a labour married to Sally Bercow Who was a labour councillor. They have been married labour councillor. They have been married a labour councillor. They have been married a long time, so it is possible married a long time, so it is possible that they have had talks at home possible that they have had talks at home and possible that they have had talks at home and this may be one of the Factors Home and this may be one of the factors that has influenced him to change factors that has influenced him to change sides, but very interesting Move Change sides, but very interesting move there and an interesting story. Joe, move there and an interesting story. Joe. Not move there and an interesting story. Joe. Not the move there and an interesting story. Joe, not the best of Sunday Reading for the Prime Minister, is it . When you look at front pages . Sorry, sian, im putting that tojoe quickly. I sian, im putting that to joe cuickl. ,. , � , sian, im putting that to joe cuickl. ,. , � ,. , quickly. I agree with sians answer. All those headlines quickly. I agree with sians answer. All those headlines are quickly. I agree with sians answer. All those headlines are essentially| all those headlines are essentially problematic for him in some sense. Bercow, we know he was towards the end of his time as speaker seen by the conservative party to be perhaps against them in some ways, especially on brexit, so you have to take bercow� s words with a pinch of salt, but i agree the headlines are not good for the Prime Minister. Very quickly, i am not letting you go yet, does this matter is a story . What do you think . John go yet, does this matter is a story . What do you think . Go yet, does this matter is a story . What do you think . John bercow is a very prominent. What do you think . John bercow is a very prominent, well what do you think . John bercow is a very prominent, well recognised very prominent, well recognised Public Figure and i think his words carry a lot of weight and you spent a lot of time in parliament. He has a lot of time in parliament. He has a gravitas, so they do matter to a certain extent and that narrative thatis certain extent and that narrative that is created and propelled by bercow saying it, it adds to a difficult week for the Prime Minister with the By Election loss, so it does matter. We will have to see how these narratives develop, but he is a big figure in british politics. 0k, ok, lets go back to the Sunday Telegraph and judges may be free from European Rights rulings. Can you explain this please, sian . This is a story that you explain this please, sian . This is a story that british judges could be told is a story that british judges could be told that they would no longer be banned be told that they would no longer be banned by be told that they would no longer be banned by european human Rights Rulings banned by european human Rights Rulings because there are major reforms rulings because there are major reforms being considered by the government. It is the first review of human government. It is the first review of Human Act for 20 years and it is weighing of Human Act for 20 years and it is weighing plans to curb the influence of the weighing plans to curb the influence of the European Court of Human Rights of the European Court of Human Rights in of the European Court of Human Rights in the uk. This is something the conservative party has promised in manifestos before now. The tories are very in manifestos before now. The tories are very keen in manifestos before now. The tories are very keen that the Uk Supreme Court are very keen that the Uk Supreme Court should have the final say on how, court should have the final say on how. You court should have the final say on how, you know, the lot of our land is interpreted and it shouldnt be overruled is interpreted and it shouldnt be overruled from strasbourg. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but be interesting to see how this plays out, but this is something the conservatives have wanted for a long time and conservatives have wanted for a long time and it conservatives have wanted for a long time and it has rankled with them that human Rights Rulings are so influential that human Rights Rulings are so influential from strasbourg, sol think influential from strasbourg, sol think the influential from strasbourg, sol think the other parties, labour and liberal think the other parties, labour and Liberal Democrats, do not agree with the conservatives, so it remains to be seen the conservatives, so it remains to be seen how the conservatives, so it remains to be seen how this will play out. But be seen how this will play out. But it does be seen how this will play out. It does imply, be seen how this will play out. Emit it does imply, joe, that the it does imply, joe, that the European Convention on human will have to be rewritten. It European Convention on human will have to be rewritten. Have to be rewritten. It certainly su nests have to be rewritten. It certainly suggests its have to be rewritten. It certainly suggests its position have to be rewritten. It certainly suggests its position in have to be rewritten. It certainly suggests its position in british. Suggests its position in british public life is not certain that this moment in time and the conservative party are trying to fulfil that Brexit Promise of Sovereignty And Parliament being sovereign and they are not having external influences that can override its decisions and britishjudges should that can override its decisions and british judges should have to have ultimate authority and not have those european influences, so certainly, it is all influx at this moment in time. We will have to see what this comes up with, but change is afoot. Irate what this comes up with, but change is afoot. ~. ,. , hear your thoughts on one of the stories on the front page of The Sunday Times in our last edition of the papers which is the Cladding Scandal story. The papers which is the Cladding Scandal story scandal story. This Story Ust seaks scandal story. This Story Ust speaks Mi Scandal story. This Story Ust speaks to the i scandal story. This Story Ust speaks to the Tragedy H Scandal story. This storyjust speaks to the tragedy that l scandal story. This storyjust. Speaks to the tragedy that faces scandal story. This storyjust speaks to the tragedy that faces so many families who find themselves with these enormous debts because of the Cladding Scandal. They have debts often larger than the value of their properties themselves. They have found themselves living in places that are deemed not to be safe, they have to spend all this money to fix the problems with that cladding and, indeed, in some cases, the debts are massive multiples of their salaries, the debts are massive multiples of theirsalaries, people the debts are massive multiples of their salaries, people are facing bankruptcy and their were very good key cities here with people facing these problems. It is tragic and the government needs to do more to alleviate this problem. Alleviate this problem. Briefly on this story. Alleviate this problem. Briefly on this story, sian, alleviate this problem. Briefly on this story, sian, something alleviate this problem. Briefly on this story, sian, something has i alleviate this problem. Briefly on | this story, sian, something has to give because people cannot meet these bills. , give because people cannot meet these bills these bills. No, they absolutely cannot and these bills. No, they absolutely cannot and the these bills. No, they absolutely cannot and the sunday these bills. No, they absolutely cannot and The Sunday Times i these bills. No, they absolutely i cannot and The Sunday Times has these bills. No, they absolutely cannot and The Sunday Times has been cannot and The Sunday Times has been running cannot and The Sunday Times has been running quite a campaign about this and if running quite a campaign about this and if you running quite a campaign about this and if you look at that front Page Photo and if you look at that front Page Photo of and if you look at that front Page Photo of the four year old who is holding photo of the four year old who is holding up photo of the four year old who is holding up that piece of paper which says holding up that piece of paper which says the holding up that piece of paper which says the bill that her father, matthew, is facing is more than £100,000 to remove cladding from his Flat. £100,000 to remove cladding from his Flat he £100,000 to remove cladding from his Flat he is £100,000 to remove cladding from his Flat he is an £100,000 to remove cladding from his Flat. He is an Nhs Worker on £22,500 a year Flat. He is an Nhs Worker on £22,500 a year and Flat. He is an Nhs Worker on £22,500 a year and the Flat cost him £88,000 in 2012 a year and the Flat cost him £88,000 in 2012. These sumsjust do not add up in 2012. These sumsjust do not add up and in 2012. These sumsjust do not add up and every in 2012. These sumsjust do not add up and every one of these stories, and there up and every one of these stories, and there are a number of them in the paper and there are a number of them in the papertoday, is and there are a number of them in the paper today, is a tragedy. The paper the paper today, is a tragedy. The paper has the paper today, is a tragedy. The paper has a the paper today, is a tragedy. The paper has a manifesto of things that could paper has a manifesto of things that could help paper has a manifesto of things that could help the situation. Among them are that could help the situation. Among them are that the could help the situation. Among them are that the developers should pay to remove are that the developers should pay to remove this cladding and, yeah. Lets to remove this cladding and, yeah. Lets turn to remove this cladding and, yeah. Lets turn very to remove this cladding and, yeah. Lets turn very quickly to our final lets turn very quickly to our final story. Joe, the Mail On Sunday, charles will not let rgb prints. I do not know if we have