President biden and In'>President PutIn have met In geneva. Not a lot was expected, but both seem to thInk theyve covered useful ground. Here they are ahead of what became four and a half hours of talks, slightly shorter than what we were expectIng. A lot was discussed. Well go through that Injust a moment, but first, weve now had a full account from both of the leaders. Lets hear a little from vladimir putIn first. Mr biden. There were no threats. As a matter of fact, i heard he quoted my mum and quoted Other people today. It was very, as we say which will Shock You comIng from me somewhat colloquial, and we talked about basic fundamental thIngs. It was. You know how i am. I explaIned thIngs based on personal basis. What happens if, for example. And so, there were no threats, just simple assertions made, and no well, if you do that, then well do this with anythIng i said. Just lettIng him know where i stood, what i thought we could accomplish together and if there were violations of american sovereignty, what we would do. Lyse doucet is with me. The Big Question has been what approach will Joe Biden take In dealIng with vladimir putIn . Just asJoe Biden was tryIng to exit the stage, reporters were still askIng him if he was tough enough. He reporters were still askIng him if he was tough enough. Reporters were still askIng him if he was tough enough. He said listen, nothIn . He was tough enough. He said listen, nothIng. Foreign he was tough enough. He said listen, nothIng. Foreign policy he was tough enough. He said listen, nothIng. Foreign policy is he was tough enough. He said listen, nothIng. Foreign policy is not nothIng. Foreign policy is not exotic. It is about human relationships. Hejust exotic. It is about human relationships. He just wanted to say here we are, two leaders, its unprecedented that two World Leaders can sit down and talk for two hours straight. So much so he said they could shorten the time, IncludIng. When journalists could shorten the time, IncludIng. Whenjournalists kept could shorten the time, IncludIng. When journalists kept pressIng them, he actually Insulted one of the journalist as he left. He actually got a bit Fed Up with the questions. As he put it, i did what i came to do. He said three distInct areas one is that hes at the areas of mutual cooperation, and he gave more detail than In'>President PutIn gave, which he said when it comes to arms control, we have a step to step approach. When it comes to Cyber Attacks, he said it out very clearly, if this happens, this will happen. No threats, he said, echoIng what In'>President PutIn said. He also said he settled clearly areas where they could work, what would happen In areas where they felt their Interests were threatened. Thirdly, it was all on the basis of american values, so Human Rights for example will always be on the table, not because he says were agaInst russia, but we are for the american people. The same words as In'>President PutIn used, we were surprised most of them talked about it beIng very productive, very pragmatic, a very good start. But as President Biden In for sized time agaIn, he said this is not a Kumbaya Movement emphasised. We will send access to the success of this to six months. This is what we said we will do, this is what we have started to do, and let us see what results will and let us see what the results will be. Much better start than we expected, i thInk. Be. � much better start than we expected, ithInk. Be. Much better start than we expected, ithInk. InterestIng that Joe Biden was expected, ithInk. InterestIng that Joe Biden was demonstratIng expected, ithInk. InterestIng that Joe Biden was demonstratIng that | expected, i thInk. InterestIng that i Joe Biden was demonstratIng that he gets what vladimir putIn is about. He told the reporters he still concerned about beIng encircled. He thInks we are tryIng to take him down. That brought to mInd for me a british political phrase, biden� s critics will say you should have understood less and condemned more. Republicans, who are very russia phobic, im sure they will look for thIngs to criticise and fInd thIngs to criticise. Moments where he slightly stumbled. People will pick on little thIngs. What was Otherwise quite a. Its at The End of a very long trip for President Biden. Hes come from three Other summits In the last. ~. , , come from three Other summits In the last. ~ ,. , last. Whether he was beIng soft or ra. Matic last. Whether he was beIng soft or pragmatic with last. Whether he was beIng soft or pragmatic with president last. Whether he was beIng soft or pragmatic with In'>President PutIn. Pragmatic with In'>President PutIn. There were moments where he was quite steely, sayIng to the russians what would happen if there was a ransomware attack. He was clear that if this happens, this will happen. This is not In the Interest of the united states. Moments he will steely, but Others, he tried to say he understood him. How many books he read about In'>President PutIn, talkIng about the speeches. He wanted to say he understood this man. InterestIngly, when a journalist said to him, what about what he said about putIn havIng no soul, biden said he wasnt goIng there. Similarity on the killer question. President putIn had said he told him why he called him a killer, and when the journalist brought it up, he laughed and said he didnt need to go over that agaIn. The critics will fInd somethIng to criticise. Though support President Biden will fInd lots of support, but as President Biden himself said, the proof of the puddIng is In the eatIng. Lets see what happens on the borders of ukraIne. Lets see what happens to Alexei Navalny. Lets see what happens when the ambassador Go To Moscow and washIngton. Lets see what comes out In practical terms from a meetIng which was much better than both sides expected, and i thInk the key, as much as you could achieve at this poInt In time. Achieve at this poInt In time. Thank ou ve achieve at this poInt In time. Thank you very much achieve at this poInt In time. Thank you very much. Well achieve at this poInt In time. Thank you very much. Well have achieve at this poInt In time. Thank you very much. Well have more i achieve at this poInt In time. Thank you very much. Well have more on russian reaction later In the programme. Here is a taste of what putIn had to say. Translation | believe there has been no hostility. On the contrary, our meetIng took place In a constructive spirit. Indeed, we have assessments on a number of issues, but both sides expressed their Intention to understand each Other and to seek common ground. The understand each Other and to seek common ground. Understand each Other and to seek common ground. There were In depth discussions about lots of issues. They Included arms control, us allegations of russian Cyber Attacks and the Opposition Activist Alexei navalny. Well take a look at each of these. But first, we start with the announcement at the start of Ins-press-conference'>PutIns Press Conference that the ambassadors to each country will be returned. Heres In'>President PutIn. Translation with regards to return | of ambassadors to their workplaces, | return of american ambassador to moscow and our ambassador to washIngton, we agreed that they would return to their service, to their duties. As for the timelIne, tomorrow or the day after. Steve rosenberg is In geneva. Put a question to vladimir putIn, whats the most important outcome of the mammoth set of News Conferences . What sticks In your mInd . Its what sticks In your mInd . Its InterestIng what sticks In your mInd . It� s InterestIng. You mentioned the return of the ambassadors and i dont thInk we should get too excited about that. This did not signify a reset In relations between the us and russia. The return of the ambassadors, that was widely expected. That was the easiest thIng for the two leaders to agree on, but there were Other signs of agreement. Apparently, theres been some agreement to discuss cybersecurity. InterestIngly, vladimir putIn said he nudist sparks of trust between the two men, but theyre made differences he noticed. And when i asked my question, i asked him about whatJoe Biden has said, about wantIng a stable relationship with russia. Joe biden. WantIng a stable relationship with russia. Joe biden. Translation Joe Biden calls russia. Joe biden. Translation Joe Biden calls for russia. Joe biden. Translation Joe Biden calls for a russia. Joe biden. Translation Joe Biden calls for a stable Joe Biden calls for a stable relationship with russia, however, the west believes relationship with russia, however, the west believe the west believes unpredictability is a trait of the the west believes unpredictability is a trait of the russian the west believes unpredictability is a trait of the russian policy. Is a trait of the russian policy. Are you ready to forgo Instability to improve the relationship with the west . It to improve the relationship with the west . , to improve the relationship with the west . , ,. , to improve the relationship with the west . , . ,. ,. , west . It was difficult to follow the lo. Ic. Im west . It was difficult to follow the logic im really west . It was difficult to follow the logic. Im really envious. West . It was difficult to follow the logic. Im really envious. Its west . It was difficult to follow the logic. Im really envious. Its like l logic. Im really envious. Its like a contradiction of terms. Are you. Let a contradiction of terms. Are you. Let me a contradiction of terms. Are you. Let me address your question In parts let me address your question In parts you let me address your question In parts. You said the west believes russian parts. You said the west believes russian policy is unpredictable. Well, russian policy is unpredictable. Well, Let Russian Policy is unpredictable. Well, let me reciprocate, the us withdrawal from the Abm Treaty and 2002 wasnt predictable. Why would they do 2002 wasnt predictable. Why would they do that . And disrupt and undermIne the basis of stability . And In undermIne the basis of stability . And In 2019, is that what you call stability . And In 2019, is that what you call stability . The open skies agreement. Theres almost no legs to stand agreement. Theres almost no legs to stand upon. In my mInd, we see differently to stand upon. In my mInd, we see differently. We dont thInk of these terms differently. We dont thInk of these term we differently. We dont thInk of these terms. We thInk we are tryIng to create terms. We thInk we are tryIng to create stability, but for the situation to be stable, we need an agreed situation to be stable, we need an agreed Set Situation to be stable, we need an agreed set of rules of conduct. Across agreed set of rules of conduct. Across all agreed set of rules of conduct. Across all areas. Its. Across all areas. Its two thIn. S across all areas. Its two thIngs about across all areas. Its two thIngs about that. Across all areas. Its two thIngs about that. That across all areas. Its two thIngs about that. That wasl across all areas. Its tuarr thIngs about that. That was classic putIn, In my books. When hes accused of somethIng, he accuses back and poInts the fInger at the west and says, actually, the west is to blame. He talks about western hypocrisy. He also talked about the need to work out the rules of behaviour. Basically, the rules of the game. These existed way back In the game. These existed way back In the cold war. In the days of communism. East and west knew what to do, they knew the red lInes and they knew how to work out their differences and de escalate difficult situations. The rules of the game have basically been destroyed In modern days, and russia In the united states dont really know how to deal with many issues. So, what In'>President PutIn was sayIng there was that East And West need to sit down at the table and work out the rules of behaviour, rules and the rules of behaviour, rules and the game to avoid difficult situations. The game to avoid difficult situations. ,. , ~ ,. , situations. Steve, thank you very much. Situations. Steve, thank you very much do situations. Steve, thank you very much do stay situations. Steve, thank you very much. Do stay with situations. Steve, thank you very much. Do stay with us. Situations. Steve, thank you very much. Do stay with us. Were situations. Steve, thank you very much. Do stay with us. Were turnIng to. Now, were goIng to start with the treatment of russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny. Before the summit, the russian authorities were clear that no domestic policies would be raised. You may remember these pictures of Alexei Navalny In court. He had spent months recoverIng In berlIn from a near fatal Nerve Agent attack. He is now In a penal colony In russia but he has been treated In prison for tb. There have been serious concerns over his health. Heres vladimir putIn on the question of Alexei Navalny. Translation first, this person knew full well that he violates the law that exists In russia, and he had to understand that he is a person that is a repeated offender. He deliberately violated this law. He went abroad to seek medical treatment, and once he went out of hospital and posted his videos onlIne, a requirement appeared but he ignored the acquirement of law. And he knew full well that he is wanted. Nevertheless, he came back to russia and he deliberately wanted to be arrested. So, he did what he wanted to do. So, how would the us respond if Alexei Navalny were to die, or be killed, In prison . Heres President Biden. I made it clear to him that i believe i made it clear to him that i believe the consequences of that would believe the consequences of that would he believe the consequences of that would be devastatIng for russia. Well would be devastatIng for russia. Well go would be devastatIng for russia. Well go back to the same poInt. What well go back to the same poInt. What do well go back to the same poInt. What do you thInk happens when hes sayIng what do you thInk happens when hes sayIng its what do you thInk happens when hes sayIng its not about navalny . All the stuff sayIng its not about navalny . All the stuff he says to rationalize treatment of navalny. And then, he dies In treatment of navalny. And then, he dies In prison. I poInted out to him that it dies In prison. I poInted out to him that it matters a great deal. On start that it matters a great deal. Orr start display have been that it matters a great deal. Q� i start display have been different worldviews about politics. In the right of political activists. And the russian leader had this to say about american politics. Translation if all of your opponents are dead In prison, if all of your opponents are dead In prison, doesnt if all of your opponents are dead In prison, doesnt that if all of your opponents are dead In prison, doesnt that send if all of your opponents are dead In prison, doesnt that send a if all of your opponents are dead In i prison, doesnt that send a message that you prison, doesnt that send a message that you do prison, doesnt that send a message that you do not prison, doesnt that send a message that you do not want prison, doesnt that send a message that you do not want a prison, doesnt that send a message that you do not want a fair that you do not want a fair political that you do not want a fair political fight . That you do not want a fair political fight . Translation about my opponents political fight . Translation about my opponents beIng. Politicalfight . Translation about my opponents beIng jailed, people went Into Us Congress with political demands. 400 people are now facIng crimInal charges. They are facIng Prison Terms of up to 20, maybe 25 years. They are called home grown terrorists. They are beIng accused of many Other thIngs. 70 people were arrested either on the spot. 30 of them. On what grounds . Not quite clear. None of the official authorities from the states are InformIng us about it, so we dont know that. One of the participants, a woman, was shot dead on the spot. She was nonthreatenIng with arms or anythIng. Why do i brIng this up . Many people are facIng the same thIngs as we do, and i am stressIng this we are sympathisIng with the united states, but we do not want the same thIng repeatIng here. And heres Bidens Response to that. There were no threats. As a matter fact, there were no threats. As a matter fact, i there were no threats. As a matter fact, i heard there were no threats. As a matter fact, i heard he quoted my mum and quoted fact, i heard he quoted my mum and quoted Other people today. He was very. Quoted Other people today. He was very as quoted Other people today. He was very as we quoted Other people today. He was very, as we say, this will shot you shock very, as we say, this will shot you Shock You. Very, as we say, this will shot you Shock You, colloquial. And we talked Shock You, colloquial. And we talked about basic fundal and mental thIngs talked about basic fundal and mental thIngs. You know howl talked about basic fundal and mental thIngs. You know how i am, i explaIn thIngs thIngs. You know how i am, i explaIn thIngs based thIngs. You know how i am, i explaIn thIngs based on personal basis. What happens thIngs based on personal basis. What happens if, thIngs based on personal basis. What happens if, for example. So, there are no happens if, for example. So, there are no threats, just simple assertions. No, if you do this, i do this assertions. No, if you do this, i do this lettIng assertions. No, if you do this, i do this. LettIng him know where i stood, this. LettIng him know where i stood, what i thought we could accomplish together and what, if there accomplish together and what, if there were violations of american sovereignty, what will be due. | sovereignty, what will be due. I thInk President Biden made it pretty clear that he didnt see the Capitol Hill riots In quite the same way as vladimir putIn characterised them. If i can come back to you, steve, you are sayIng a few mInutes ago vladimir putIn has this habit or this fertility of beIng able to turn thIngs around and poInt to problems In his adversary� s backyards this habit of futility. I5 In his adversarys backyards this habit of futility. Habit of futility. Is often called what aboutism. Habit of futility. Is often called what aboutism. In habit of futility. Is often called what aboutism. In his habit of futility. Is often called what aboutism. In his answer, J Habit of futility. Is often called i what aboutism. In his answer, he referred to his opponents here In russia. Basically, the message he is sendIng toJoe Biden and to the west is what happens In my country domestically is my busIness. Its russias busIness. That is the message you want to get across do not Interfere and metal In what is happenIng domestically. What is happenIng domestically. What is happenIng In russia right now clearly is a crackdown on democracy, a crackdown on dissent. Were seeIng with. Were seeIng with the detention of various opposition figures, critics of the kremlIn. But if you asked In'>Mr PutIn about this, he turns around and says these kInd of thIngs happen In the west too. Bath thIngs happen In the west too. Both sides will be thIngs happen In the west too. Both sides will be very thIngs happen In the west too. Both sides will be very eager to spend the outcomes of these conversations to their different press packs. Whats the message thats comIng out for a rushIng audience russian audience . Its for a rushIng audience russian audience . Audience . Its InterestIng Inu-audience'>Ust ListenInu Audience . Its InterestIng ust listenIng Mi Audience . Its InterestIng ust listenIng to vladimir i audience . Its InterestIng just listenIng to vladimir putIn i audience . Its InterestIng just listenIng to vladimir In-atl-audience'>PutIn Atl Audience . Its InterestIng just i listenIng to vladimir putIn at the conference. The basic message was that russia didnt come under pressure. There were areas of agreement, and, yes, he may not have been Invited to the white house, but they have started somethIng here and there are signs of trust between the two leaders. And thats important for vladimir putIn to sell a domestically. I thInk he will spend this as a success for him, defInitely, because for the last five or six hours, he has been exactly where vladimir putIn wants to be the centre of ascension, centrestage. He wants to present his country, russia, is a great power. To revive the days of the great Superpower Rivalry between america and the soviet union. He wants russia to have a seat at the top table and to rub shoulder with the us president. What better place to do that then at a us Russia Summit In geneva . So, im sure that the media here will be full of that and present the present year as a great World Leader who met the us president and survived it. Steve rosenberg. President and survived it. Steve rosenberg, thank president and survived it. Steve rosenberg, thank you president and survived it. Steve rosenberg, thank you very i president and survived it. Steve l rosenberg, thank you very much. President and survived it. Steve i rosenberg, thank you very much. I see your poInt. Irrelevance is the worst outcome. Lets turn to what has been named by the us In the past as one of the biggest growIng threats, and thats cyber crime. You may remember the Cyber Attack that froze this Ine'>Fuel PipelIne In the us, and just last week, the worlds largest Ing-company'>Meat ProcessIng Company admitted it had paid millions of dollars to ensure the safety of data stolen In a ransomware attack. The us says that most of these attacks origInate In russia by crimInal gangs who are harboured by the government. Heres In'>President PutIns response to that. Translation the us sources claim that the majority of Cyber Attacks are made from the us territory. The second one is canada, and In the uk. As for russia, it is not listed In this rankIng, and we see where this is Cyber Attacks are lunch from. We see these are coordInated from the united States Territory launched from. I do not thInk that us authorities are Interested In such kInd of manipulations. We need to get rid of all kInds of InsInuations andInnuendo get rid of all kInds of InsInuations and Innuendo and we should launch the Expert Work to the benefit of the Expert Work to the benefit of the united states and russia federation. The united states and russia federation. ,. ,. , ~. , � , federation. Some of that work thats ke , federation. Some of that work thats key. AccordIng federation. Some of that work thats key. AccordIng to federation. Some of that work thats key, accordIng to president federation. Some of that work thats key, accordIng to President Biden,. Key, accordIng to President Biden, is that certaIn Infrastructure should be protected from any attack. AnOther area i spent a great deal on was cybersecurity. I talked about the proper senate that certaIn Infrastructure should be off to attack, Infrastructure should be off to attack, period. Igave Infrastructure should be off to attack, period. I gave them a list, of In attack, period. I gave them a list, of In not attack, period. I gave them a list, of im not mistaken, 16 specific entities of im not mistaken, 16 specific entities. 16 defIned as critical Infrastructure under us policy. From the Infrastructure'>Energy Infrastructure under us policy. From the Energy Sector to our water systems. The Energy Sector to our water systems. Of course, the prInciple is one thIng systems. Of course, the prInciple is one thIng it systems. Of course, the prInciple is one thIng. It has to be backed up by practice one thIng. It has to be backed up by practice. Responsible countries need to take practice. Responsible countries need to take action agaInst crimInals who conduct to take action agaInst crimInals who Conduct Ransomware activities on their Conduct Ransomware activities on their territory. So, we agreed to task their territory. So, we agreed to task experts and both are countries to Work Task Experts and both are countries to work on task experts and both are countries to work on specific understandIngs about to work on specific understandIngs about whats Off Limits and the followup about whats Off Limits and the follow up on specific cases that origInate follow up on specific cases that origInate In Other countries, either of our origInate In Other countries, either of our countries. With me is our chief International correspondent, lyse doucet. First, on cybersecurity, this is one of these issues thats not goIng away. Theres an awful lot at steak. He had a lot of questions because journalists know thats what american are worried about at stake. I thInk President Biden knows that too. They went Into details, 16 critical Infrastructure that he said where Off Limits. He didnt want to go Into detail, but he made it clear what would be the response if that kInd of an attack happened agaIn. One Ind'>Journalist KInd of an attack happened agaIn. Onejournalist said it kInd of an attack happened agaIn. One journalist said it would there be a military response . He said there was no discussion. You could see and he said, you know how he speaks, he comes down to personal terms. He talked about his mOther, but when he talked about attacks, the way he explaIned it, he said i told him what if they were based In the united states . Rather than russia. And attack to your pipelInes, and you had this amount of losses and . His version was present putIn understood that, that In fact, it will be somethIng that russia would not want. So, it was InterestIng that he tried to convey this is what it will be like from our poInt of view, and then tried to give sense of how russia saw it. We only have a mInute left. Therell be a Lot Talk about who came out of this better, but both seem to believe theyve made Headway And Theyve understood each Other. fine Theyve understood each Other. One russian theyve understood each Other. Ole Russianjournalist Theyve understood each Other. Que russianjournalist poInted theyve understood each Other. Iez russianjournalist poInted out that russian journalist poInted out that russian journalist poInted out that russia had beaten fInland 1 0, and In'>President PutIn refused to go there. To pick on what Steve Rosenberg said, In'>President PutIn � stalked about the responsibility of two major powers to make the world a safer place In strategic talks. Both are goIng away feelIng im important, my adversary knows and we will try to work together where we can and where we cant, we agree to disagree. Can and where we cant, we agree to disauree. ,. Can and where we cant, we agree to disauree. ,. , ~ can and where we cant, we agree to disauree. ,. , disagree. Lyse doucet, thank you very much disagree. Lyse doucet, thank you very much. Perhaps disagree. Lyse doucet, thank you very much. Perhaps the disagree. Lyse doucet, thank you| very much. Perhaps the watchword disagree. Lyse doucet, thank you i very much. Perhaps the watchword out of this Instability, perhaps security. CertaInly a lot for us all to chew over. Much more on the Bbc News website. Thanks for beIng with us here on outside source. Hello. For those southern and eastern parts of the uk where today was so warm and so humid, the weather is now begInnIng to break down. Let me show you the Satellite Picture from earlier on today, because you can see these bright white shower clouds movIng northwards across france, out Into the english channel, through this afternoon. And durIng this evenIng, tonight and tomorrow, we will see those showers and thunderstorms driftIng northwards, brIngIng the risk of torrential downpours for some, especially across southern, eastern and some central parts of england, maybe clippIng Into the east of wales. As so often with these thunderIng outbreaks, there will be places that fall between the downpours and stay pretty much dry. Others will have torrential raIn for a time, very muggy and humid towards the southeast, whereas further north and west, Northern Ireland and scotland, you will wonder what the fuss is about quite a cool, fresh and largely dry night and largely dry start to thursday mornIng. Further south, more heavy, Thunder Downpours driftIng across the channel islands, Into southern and southeastern parts of england. You can see the bright green and yellow colours, IndicatIng some really Intense downpours, some of those extendIng across the midlands, agaIn perhaps clippIng Into east wales. CertaInly some wet weather through east anglia, gettIng up Into parts of Incolnshire-and-south'>LIncolnshire And South and East Yorkshire as well. And we will see that very wet and perhaps thundery weather driftIng its way out towards the North Sea through the latter part of thursday. Elsewhere, a lot of dry weather, some spells of sunshIne. Temperatures 17 degrees for aberdeen, 18 In glasgow, 23 In london not as warm as it was today but still feelIng quite humid. And Into friday, with high Ing'>Pressure BuildIng towards the north and the west, were expectIng dry weather In these areas. Down towards the southeast, yet more heavy downpours with some Ing'>Thunder And LightnIng possibly mixIng In, so there could be quite a lot of raIn for some of these southeastern areas over the next couple of days, lower temperatures at 18 degrees In london, 18 as well In glasgow. But, here, there should be some sunshIne. Now, we look ahead to the weekend. And saturday probably the drier day of the two for most, with some sunny spells, just one or two showers poppIng up and a general Increase In cloud Into the afternoon. Temperatures between 15 and 21 degrees, lower than they have been recently In many areas. But for sunday, thIngs turn much more unsettled. There will be some outbreaks of raIn at times. And some of that raIn could be quite heavy. Number tens former Top Adviser and the whatsapp messages that show what Boris Johnson really thought of his health secretary. The prime mInister sent messages callIng Matt Hancock hopeless, anOther one describes the handlIng of ppe as a disaster. This was at the start of the pandemic. DomInic cummIngs was kicked out of number ten now his revelations have given labour a new lIne of attack. The right honourable gentleman, now forever branded as hopeless hancock by his own leader. Reporter are you hopeless, Mr Hancock . I dont thInk so. DownIng street says the pm has full confidence In Mr Hancock. Also tonight. Compulsory vaccInations for Care Home Staff In england