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On top of the usual Flight And Hotel price hikes, three covid tests are needed to get in and out. Well, more than 11,000 City And Chelsea fans have tickets and will be in the stadium, but plenty more have travelled without tickets and are planning to watch it in the bars around porto, which close at 10 30pm at night. During the day, the atmosphere was one of mutual respect, albeit under a watchful eye. Like most tourist cities, porto has lost millions during the pandemic, but now the hotels are full for the first time since last march. It was important for the economy, to the local economy, for the restaurants, for the hotels, for the shops, for for tourist animation,. For the boats, for example. So, its like Kick Off fora new moment here in Porto And North portugal. Both teams overcame stellar opposition to be here, but this is citys first Champions League final. For pep guardiola, theres no greater feeling. Im the happiest man in the world right now to be in here, so its a privilege. Its an honour, and were going to try to and Do Our best. Tonight, the Police Presence has intensified. Theyve maintained a mostly hands off approach so far. The prize for fans is the most coveted trophy in European Club football, but the Nations Reputation is also a state. At stake. Natalie pirks, bbc news, porto. Thats it from us. Good night. Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me arejessica elgot, the deputy Political Editor at the guardian. And jasmine cameron chileshe, whos the political and diplomatic correspondent for the ft. A for the ft. Warm welcome to both of you. Nice to a warm welcome to both of you. Nice to have you with us this evening. Good to have you as well. Lets bring you up to date on the front pages. The � i says on saturday that people may be called up for their second jabs sooner than eight weeks in some areas of england in a race to stay ahead of rising infections from indian variant. The times says if The Indian Variant continues to surge, facemasks and work from Home Guidance could remain in place afterjune the 21st under government plans to prioritise the end of Social Distancing. According to the daily telegraph, medical advisers will next month insist that Boris Johnson makes a political decision on whether to vaccinate children and will not offer a firm recommendation. The Daily Mirror reports that the first ever drug shown to work against alzheimers could be available on the Nhs By Next year. The Daily Express says watchdogs are being urged to ban big firms ripping off loyal customers for after the City Regulator stopped insurers always raising premiums for those who stick with them. And the financial times highlights concerns about Price Increases after a us Inflation Measure posted its biggest year On Yearjump since the 1990s in april. Rates, lets Kick Off then. Jessica, do you want to start with the times and the masks, the bad news, potentially, if people were hoping to throw their masks away on the zist to throw their masks away on the 21st Ofjune. To throw their masks away on the 21st Ofjune 21st Ofjune. There is this mean thats going 21st Ofjune. There is this mean thats going around 21st Ofjune. There is this mean thats going around that 21st Ofjune. There is this mean thats going around that in 21st Ofjune. There is this mean thats going around that in a. 21st Ofjune. There is this mean | thats going around that in a few years time, we will find facemasks in the bottom of the bag in a pocket and remember this time that seems so unreal, and that now seems a bit further away, unreal, and that now seems a bit furtheraway, i unreal, and that now seems a bit further away, i think, unreal, and that now seems a bit furtheraway, ithink, because unreal, and that now seems a bit further away, i think, because of the development of The Indian Variant and the concern there is starting to be amongst scientists about what that could mean for the full lifting of all restrictions on june the 21st. It seems from what the times is writing that the treasury is quite keen to push ahead with lifting some of the other restrictions. 0bviously, with lifting some of the other restrictions. Obviously, there are some venues who have not been around to open, like nightclubs, and there are obviously Social Distancing rules inside hospitality, you know, the one Metre Spacing means that a lot of places just cannot operate with the prophets, and that is very difficult for them. They really want to see that go byjune the 21st. So the compromise is that you still encourage people to work from home to me still encourage people to wear facemasks. Will that be enough . It is a tricky balance. Its is a tricky balance. Its interesting, is a tricky balance. Its interesting, the is a tricky balance. Itsj interesting, the article is a tricky balance. Its interesting, the article mentions, jasmine, that the Treasury Source is saying we are still allowing for the potential, at least, of another surge of hospital cases, which is why furlough is continuing until september. Why furlough is continuing until september september. Yes, so i think the government september. Yes, so i think the government are september. Yes, so i think the government are in september. Yes, so i think the government are in quite september. Yes, so i think the government are in quite a september. Yes, so i think the | government are in quite a tricky Position Government are in quite a tricky position at government are in quite a tricky position at the moment because we have the position at the moment because we have the spread of this new variant, so we have the spread of this new variant, so we are have the spread of this new variant, so we are seeing infections rising, and there so we are seeing infections rising, and there are fears that this may translate and there are fears that this may translate into increased hospitalisations and deaths. Now while hospitalisations and deaths. Now while this hasnt happened at the moment, while this hasnt happened at the moment, there are fears that it might moment, there are fears that it might happen and plunge the nhs into Chaos Att might happen and plunge the nhs into chaos all over again. So the government is trying to balance allowing government is trying to balance allowing some restrictions to be lifted allowing some restrictions to be lifted to allowing some restrictions to be lifted to enable businesses, particularly those in the Hospitality Sector to recover, but also trying Hospitality Sector to recover, but also trying to appease scientists who are also trying to appease scientists who are saying lets put the brakes on for who are saying lets put the brakes on for we who are saying lets put the brakes on for we should not be lifting at all. On for we should not be lifting at ait~ so on for we should not be lifting at ait~ so its on for we should not be lifting at all. So its quite a tricky balance of the all. So its quite a tricky balance of the government is trying to maintain of the government is trying to maintain. ,. ,. ,. Maintain. Give a more tricky, the front of the maintain. Give a more tricky, the front of the telegraph, maintain. Give a more tricky, the front of the telegraph, to maintain. Give a more tricky, the front of the telegraph, to want l maintain. Give a more tricky, the| front of the telegraph, to want to talk us through this . This goes to the heart of an argument that surfaced in the Dominant Cummings evidence, didnt to . About scientific advice, whether you can say, look, lets leave it to the scientists, because here, the scientists, because here, the scientists are definitely saying to him actually, this one is down to you, politicians. So quite an interesting story. The telegraph so quite an interesting story. The telegraph is reporting that next month, telegraph is reporting that next month, scientists and medical advisers month, scientists and medical advisers will tell the pm to basically make a decision on whether or not basically make a decision on whether or not under basically make a decision on whether or not under 18 should be vaccinated. So they will provide the prime vaccinated. So they will provide the Prime Minister with some information from up Prime Minister with some information from up the Prime Minister with some information from up the final decision will be on him from up the final decision will be on him its from up the final decision will be on him. Its likely to put Boris Johnson on him. Its likely to put Boris Johnson in on him. Its likely to put Boris Johnson in an awkward position because johnson in an awkward position because there are lots of questions that the because there are lots of questions that the prospect of Vaccinating Under that the prospect of Vaccinating Under 18 that the prospect of Vaccinating Under 18 pulls up. You know camille of the under 18 pulls up. You know camille of the ethical considerations as to whether of the ethical considerations as to whether in of the ethical considerations as to whether in the uk is a richer country whether in the uk is a richer country we should be vaccinating Children Country we should be vaccinating children and many adults in different countries havent even had the chance different countries havent even had the chance for their first dose. We have the chance for their first dose. We have the the chance for their first dose. We have the balance of whether the perceived benefits of vaccinating children perceived benefits of vaccinating children would outweigh any possible risk. Children would outweigh any possible risk~ so children would outweigh any possible risk so it children would outweigh any possible risk so it is children would outweigh any possible risk. So it is quite a strange situation risk. So it is quite a strange situation and Boris Johnson risk. So it is quite a strange Situation And Borisjohnson has relied Situation And Borisjohnson has relied on Situation And Borisjohnson has relied on the idea of following the signs relied on the idea of following the signs and relied on the idea of following the signs and being led by scientists, but this signs and being led by scientists, but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if it but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if it sort but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if it sort of but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if it sort of tells but this one is all on him. Jessica, i wonder if it sort of tells us i wonder if it sort of tells us something about how some of those scientific advisers perhaps are starting to feel after a year of working so intensely with government in terms of, you know, the balance of blame and responsibility, if i can put it like that. Perhaps thats a bad way of putting it, but you do understand the point i am making. I think it is always probably been the case that although ministers like to say thats from you know, these outside bodies definitively make the decisions about everything, thats never quite been the case. Ministers ultimately have the power to accept or change the recommendations. Boris johnson could override recommendations whenever he wants, its obviously more convenient to outsource some of these more controversial decisions. At this one is extremely finely balanced, and as jasmine says, it really throws up, i think, difficult moral questions about we know this virus doesnt really seem to have bad effects on children or young adults, and therefore, you know, when there are people around the world really, really suffering when adults, high risk adults, have not even have their first dose, risk adults, have not even have theirfirst dose, is it morally right for us to use up a vaccine which is still relatively scarce to vaccinate children who are very unlikely to get very sick . I think thatis unlikely to get very sick . I think that is a moral question that we should see some airing about as borisjohnson comes to make this decision. Boris johnson comes to make this decision. , � , decision. President Biden Is allowinu decision. President Biden Is allowing it decision. President Biden Is allowing it for decision. President Biden Is allowing it for 12yearolds | decision. President Biden Is l allowing it for 12yearolds in decision. President Biden Is allowing it for 12yearolds in the allowing it for 12 year olds in the states, isnt he, 12 and above. Right, and i think that has been from you know, there has been that debate in the us. There has been that question about whether, you know, thats the way that, you know, thats the way countries should be setting that example, and i hope that that is a debate that we have here. � ,. , that that is a debate that we have here. ,. ,. ,. , that that is a debate that we have here. , here. Jessica, i want to also pick u. Here. Jessica, i want to also pick u on here. Jessica, i want to also pick on on another here. Jessica, i want to also pick up on another story here. Jessica, i want to also pick up on another story there, here. Jessica, i want to also pick up on another story there, bond | here. Jessica, i want to also pick. Up on another story there, bond up on another story there, Bond Johnson didnt know he paid the bill for the flood. This is one that has been exercising political journalists for weeks and weeks now. Yes, so this is the first, and there are going yes, so this is the first, and there are going to yes, so this is the first, and there are going to be many more, reports into boris are going to be many more, reports into borisjohnsons are going to be many more, reports into Boris Johnsons funding are going to be many more, reports into Borisjohnsons Funding of are going to be many more, reports into Boris Johnsons funding of the refurbishment. This is by lord gates, refurbishment. This is by lord gates, who is the new independent adviser gates, who is the new independent adviser with the ministerial standards, appointed by Boris Johnson standards, appointed by Boris Johnson, and he has been looking over the johnson, and he has been looking over the register of ministerial interest over the register of ministerial interest for a very long delayed Register Interest for a very long delayed register which should say, you know, have all register which should say, you know, have all the register which should say, you know, have all the details out about how these have all the details out about how these very have all the details out about how these very lavish refurbishments were these very lavish refurbishments were paid these very lavish refurbishments were paid for. He concludes that boris were paid for. He concludes that borisjohnson didnt were paid for. He concludes that Boris Johnson didnt make were paid for. He concludes that borisjohnson didnt make break the Mystery Borisjohnson didnt make break the mystery ministerial cold, but he did the mystery ministerial cold, but he did say the mystery ministerial cold, but he did say he the mystery ministerial cold, but he did say he acted unwisely and embarked he did say he acted unwisely and embarked on extremely expensive reef sure embarked on extremely expensive reef sure refurbishment without knowing sure refurbishment without knowing how it was meant to be paid for commander was eventually paid by a party for commander was eventually paid by a Party Donor and the Conservative Party a Party Donor and the Conservative Party also a Party Donor and the Conservative Party also had to step into initially party also had to step into initially settle the bills. Now boris initially settle the bills. Now borisjohnson has paid for it all himself. Borisjohnson has paid for it all himself, which he says, you know, the report himself, which he says, you know, the report says, you know may perhaps. The report says, you know may perhaps, you know, that everything has now perhaps, you know, that everything has now been properly declared, but ultimately. Has now been properly declared, but ultimately, he embarked upon this without ultimately, he embarked upon this without any kind of rigorous thoughts about how he would pay for it. , ,. , thoughts about how he would pay for it. Y ,. ,. It. Jessica, given the evidence, sor , it. Jessica, given the evidence, sorry. Jazmine. It. Jessica, given the evidence, sorry, jazmine, given it. Jessica, given the evidence, sorry, jazmine, given the it. Jessica, given the evidence, sorry, jazmine, given the evidence that was given by Dominic Cummings about the value of Chaos Theory in government over the last year, perhaps thats not so surprising that he should behave that way. I love, we can show it, but i love the daily Mail Picture which is Boris Johnson with his partner, carrie, and the Word Wallpaper gates, Boris Pasted but not tongue. Lots of gossip going around westminister about whether refurbishment has lived up to what they were hoping for. I think the thing that stands out for me i think the thing that stands out for me is i think the thing that stands out for me is this idea that Boris Johnson for me is this idea that Boris Johnson was apparently unaware of who was johnson was apparently unaware of who was paying for the renovations in his who was paying for the renovations in his own who was paying for the renovations in his own home, and arguably, you know, in his own home, and arguably, you know. A in his own home, and arguably, you know. A lot in his own home, and arguably, you know. A lot of in his own home, and arguably, you know, a lot of this was happening last spring know, a lot of this was happening last spring when the country was sort of last spring when the country was sort of in last spring when the country was sort of in the throes of a covid pandemic, sort of in the throes of a covid pandemic, but you do sort of think maturely pandemic, but you do sort of think maturely you would ask the question, surely maturely you would ask the question, surely would probe a bit deeper into who was surely would probe a bit deeper into who was paying for this, where that money who was paying for this, where that money is who was paying for this, where that money is coming from, and, you know, while money is coming from, and, you know, while a money is coming from, and, you know, while a few money is coming from, and, you know, while a few weeks ago this was one of the while a few weeks ago this was one of the biggest stories, it seems that he of the biggest stories, it seems that he has sort of emerged out of this crisis that he has sort of emerged out of this crisis unscathed. He didnt break this crisis unscathed. He didnt break the this crisis unscathed. He didnt break the mysterio code, he acted unwisely. Break the mysterio code, he acted unwisely, but i dont think he comes out of unwisely, but i dont think he comes out of this unwisely, but i dont think he comes out of this looking too bad, obviously, it is worth noting, as jessica obviously, it is worth noting, as jessica said, this is one of many inquiries, jessica said, this is one of many inquiries, not simply an inquiry from inquiries, not simply an inquiry from the inquiries, not simply an inquiry from the Electoral Commission, downing from the Electoral Commission, downing Street Wasnt to concerned with the downing Street Wasnt to concerned with the inquiry, but the other inquiry with the inquiry, but the other inquiry such as the electoral Commission Inquiry are, thats where there Commission Inquiry are, thats where there is Commission Inquiry are, thats where there is a Commission Inquiry are, thats where there is a little more concern, because, there is a little more concern, because, obviously, the Electoral Commission has a lot more power in Terms Commission has a lot more power in terms of commission has a lot more power in terms of how commission has a lot more power in terms of how it goes about conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, Do Ou conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want to conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want to pick conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want to pick up conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want to pick up on conducting its inquiries. Jasmine, do you want to pick up on your. Conducting its inquiries. Jasmine,. Do you want to pick up on your paper jasmine, our photo of do you want to pick up on your paper jasmine, our photo of this particular Paper Review which is borisjohnson on, not in the flats, at least, he is not showing off the interior decoration, but on the steps of number ten with victor, this is the prime Minister Way think James Landau was telling us earlier here, our diplomatic correspondent, you will know james from being here, our diplomatic correspondent, you will knowjames from being on the diplomatic circuit together, but some are questioning the timing of this, given that part of the G7 Leadership of the Prime Minister wants to show in Cornwall Injune is that we are doing more to supports western democracies against the rise of authoritarian regimes, authoritarian regimes, some say, including victor alban ands hungry, whether our questions whether he whether our questions whether he whether his political power is overwhelming some of the checks and balances and what was previously regarded as a Western Democratic country of hungry. Boom x0 he is certainly quite a controversial figure, and its basically regarded as a right Wing Populist who certainly is an ally of Russia And Flagler putin. I think downing Street Sort of tried to dampen down concerns, and we had a statement following the meeting saying that johnson raised issues relating to human rights, lgbt requests lgbt q human rights, lgbt requests lgbt 0 plus issues, raring human rights, lgbt requests lgbt 0 plus issues. 0 plus issues, why this meeting took lace at 0 plus issues, why this meeting took place at all. 0 plus issues, why this meeting took place at all. The 0 plus issues, why this meeting took place at all, the timing 0 plus issues, why this meeting took place at all, the timing of 0 plus issues, why this meeting took place at all, the timing of the place at all, the timing of the meeting. Place at all, the timing of the meeting, and was quite interesting, he gave meeting, and was quite interesting, he gave interviews tojournalists after he gave interviews tojournalists after the he gave interviews tojournalists after the meeting and was questioned on some after the meeting and was questioned on some of after the meeting and was questioned on some of his comments about migration on some of his comments about migration, some of his comments against migration, some of his comments against the migration, some of his comments against the muslim community, and he effectively against the muslim community, and he effectively tried to justify them and defend them, so it really seems like even and defend them, so it really seems like even though borisjohnson had the discussion over human rights, his opinion the discussion over human rights, his Opinion Hadnt really changed. It his Opinion Hadnt really changed. It was his Opinion Hadnt really changed. It was very his Opinion Hadnt really changed. It was very striking to me that he was very it was very striking to me that he was very defensive and almost very proud was very defensive and almost very proud of was very defensive and almost very proud of his was very defensive and almost very proud of his comments. Interesting, isnt it, proud of his comments. Interesting, isnt it. Jessica. Proud of his comments. Interesting, isnt it, jessica, thats, proud of his comments. Interesting, isnt it, jessica, thats, you proud of his comments. Interesting, isnt it, jessica, thats, you know, i isnt it, jessica, thats, you know, we are coming at a time when obviously we have left the european union, and, you know, this might� ve been quite a good way to conquer brussels during the brexit negotiations because he was actually an ally overall about, but maybe post brexit, good relations with brussels being photographed with victor and Downing Street may not be a way to achieve them. I victor and Downing Street may not be a way to achieve them. A way to achieve them. I mean, i think that a way to achieve them. I mean, i think that this a way to achieve them. I mean, i think that this is a way to achieve them. I mean, i think that this is a a way to achieve them. I mean, i think that this is a complicated i a way to achieve them. I mean, i i think that this is a complicated way of doing foreign policy. Its a signal as well about the Firm Break with the kind of Brussels Establishment who is firmly opposed to at least the kind of European Establishment thatjohnson has set himself against. You know, you do get Downing Street same, of course, he raised these issues of Media Freedoms with human rights, but, you know, they often say that when, you know, they often say that when, you know, johnson meets with someone like the saudi leaders were the chinese president , you know, it seems to do a Fat Lot of good in terms of changing anything. 0bviously, terms of changing anything. Obviously, it adds to his credentials that he has been one of the European Leaders received personally in Downing Street, and i think it is a tricky diplomatic decision to have made. I think its only, jasmine may be able to correct me, but i think its something thats only a second such encounter between an Eu Leader in the Prime Ministers since brexit, so, you know, i think people are right to question what sort of signal that sends. To question what sort of signal that sends. , ~ question what sort of signal that sends. , ~. , question what sort of signal that sends. , ~. ,. , sends. To think the other one is the taoiseach for sends. To think the other one is the taoiseach for obvious sends. To think the other one is the taoiseach for obvious reasons sends. To think the other one is the | taoiseach for obvious reasons giving the concerns over the irish protocol. Just go, do you want to pick up on the telegraph again,

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