At ten Oclock Reeta chakrabarti will be here with a full round up of the days news. First, Social Media, anti Social Media, breaking news, faking news this is the programme about a revolution in media, this week with joe tidy. Hello. Scenes of violence in Northern Ireland, threats to journalists, Attacks on cameramen. The key question many News Rooms are asking right now, how do we cover whats happening in belfast . Theres been criticism about the slow uptake from london based newsrooms. So what are reporters on the ground who Have been covering this for decades think . How are they navigating the volatile story and protecting their staff . Plus french media Giant Banijay licenses many of the uks favourite Tv Shows from masterchef to Peaky Blinders. So whats their role in determining the tv we all watched . Let me introduce you todays guests. Noel doran is editor of the irish news, a daily newspaper based in belfast. Susan breen is political editor for the Belfast Telegraph. Marianna spring is the bbc� s Disinformation Reporter and Cathy Payne is the Chief Executive of banijayee rights. In overseas a mammoth roster of programmes from black mirror, keeping up with the kardashian to masterchef. So kathy, what is next best thing you are cooking up at the moment . Well, put me right on the spot with that question there. I think that banijay is a huge company, 120 Production Companies across 20 territories. We Have in terms of Cooking Shows and what we are cooking up at the moment, i think as you know, weve got a masterchef finale. I would say on the theme of Cooking Masterchef is a global phenomenon. Its produced all around the world. Its about real people, real food and is a fantastic reflection of culture everywhere. Lets start with the scenes of violence that Have been playing out in The Streets of belfast and other tOwns in Northern Ireland. Almost 90 Police Officers Have been injured as protesters, mainly teenagers threw Petrol Bombs and fireworks. The riots began in loyalist areas of belfast. Theyve been broadening into anger over controversial republican funeral and the irish seaboard imposed as part of the brexit deal. This has proved to be a very difficult story for the media to cover. Which is what were here to talk about, of course. And im joined by two leading figures in northern irishjournalism. Noel doran, editor of the irish news, your paper has historically had a catholic nationalist readership. Is that how you would summarise it . Yes. We are very much in the catholic and nationalist tradition, constitutional politics. But we do certainly in the community were very proud of the fact that we Have readers from protestant and unionist as well. Certainly our goal is mainly to produce a newspaper which is read within the catholic and nationalist tradition here. And susan breen, and Breen Political Editor of the gulf last telegraph, how would you categorise your readers . Our readers we hope reflect the Northern Ireland population. Traditionally probably the biggest | seen as a constitutional Unionistl Paper but it is read by all sections across the community and we are there to reflect northern Ireland Society as it is. And i imagine you both picked up quite a few international readers in the last couple of weeks trying to figure out whats going on. Suzanne, theres been a widespread feeling that london based newsrooms Have been late to the story. Theres of course a Judgment Call to be taken when anything like this happens. When theres a disturbance in initially only involved a couple of dozen teenagers. When does that become a serious event and a story . How long Have you been covering the build up to this and what did you think right, this needs to be covered . Well weve been covering the build of this for weeks. We thought it was very serious from the beginning. We watched it spread from the northwest part of Northern Irelnad and to further dOwn Near Belfast and then through belfast. I think the media caught up not paying attention to the violence at the start. They missed, they did arrive and then when they arrived they mainly started to tail off. There was a Bar Tsar Moment in the middle of this bizzare there were Petrol Bombs being thrOwn in northern island very serious disturbances in The Street. The police under Attack Tensions high. The daily telegraph had on its front page a story about Royal Mcelroy accidentally hitting his father is fleet knocked on his head with a golf ball. You know, that was the part of northern island and im a northern Ireland Person but they chose to focus on for that Northern Ireland is very much a late night plays a part from the british mainland. There may be 500 miles between london and belfast but it really seems psychologically at times like 5 million. If Petrol Bombs were being thrOwn and those disturbances In London and Manchester And Cardiff and edinburgh there would not Have been that of awake. Thats a history of the trouble. Its nothing new right now. Generally the british media focused on Northern Ireland when there were ira Attacks in england or there was british soldiers being killed in Northern Ireland. As opposed to local northern island people ireland. Noel, do you agree with that . It seems to me there is a squeamishness In London based newsrooms about these sorts of incidents in Northern Ireland i know myself and i was a reporter for news from back in 2013i was sent there to cover the flag rights. The last time there was a major Flare Up of violence. And it was the most intimidating story i ever covered. I spent a long time researching it but in terms of the identity politics, everything that you could say wrong that could upset or worse, offend a large group of people. Do you think it was a problem with london based newsrooms simply not wanting to tackle these issues . The Flags Issue was probably easier to cover because of the symbolism and the notion that a flag was being taken dOwn from public buildings and there was an erosion and a sense of identity. Even though it was a result of a democratic vote by an elected body. People could probably focus on it much more easily and people could probably also focus on the dispute over parades. Because you Have the Orange Order marching dOwn a route and being stopped and the follow. This is been so unusual because this was there were different factors involved. Clearly a connection to brexit and the Northern Ireland protocol. Clearly anger over the Funeral Story and the decision not to prosecute as a result of their involvement. But also this sense of alienation and the allegation that people in protestant and unionist areas were missing out on some sort of Peace Bonanza jobs, investment, housing was going elsewhere. Which i think we definitely in the newspaper new that was the challenge. Because the evidence is very much to the contrary. But when the polls started to go off it did, it was difficult to explain exactly why these people were gathering. Initially in Derry And Newton abbey but then when it came to the place where it all started in 1969 between the imagery was unmistakable. People on the loyalist side started to Attack the police, burned buses trying to get through the piece lines. Which are still with us to confront people on the other side they are. It was almost a primeval sense to that. And people were entitled to wonder how do we come out of that . And i think some of the people involved didnt know it themselves. Other than hatred of outsiders, hatred of their and enemies and a chance to Attack them came along and things developed very, very quickly. Yeah, some of those scenes are extremely violent. Petrol bombs being thrOwn at buses, Violent Disturbances always hard for journalist to cover. And this weekend sees the second anniversary of lyra mckee� s death she was working as a journalist in derry when she was shot during the riot. Last week a Cameraman Working for the Belfast Telegraph was also assaulted while covering a protest and he spoke to Bbc Radio about what happened. Asi as i was making my way dOwn to the vehicle i heard steps running behind me. Just as i had turned around there was a man wearing a mask. Naturally because of the pandemic most likely but also to cover his face. He was already on top of me. I trailed to the ground. In one of my cameras was over my shoulder and thrOwn across the room. He then proceeded to kick that camera and the other camera was damaged on the ground at the time. As i turned around the second male had approached me as i stood up and just towards him he decided to step back, thankfully. As i turned around the other male was on top of me standing in front of me i confronted him at that point by quote loudly shouting in The Street and throwing things at him. And including asking what are you doing . Him. And including asking what are Ou Doinu . , , you doing . Extremely distressing. Another photographer you doing . Extremely distressing. Another photographer also you doing . Extremely distressing. Another photographer also had you doing . Extremely distressing. J another photographer also had his car trashed as well. We dont think that was a targeted Attacks was up suzanne, kevin is a colleague of yours, Have you spoken to them, is He 0k . , , He 0k . Yeah. He is very very courageous He 0k . Yeah. He is very very courageous young He 0k . Yeah. 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He was back on the job and really that is what you Have to Da Job and really that is what you Have to d0~ You Job and really that is what you Have to do. You Have to show these people that they to do. You Have to show these people that they are to do. You Have to show these people that they are not going to be you and they that they are not going to be you and they are not going to defeat you and they are not going to defeat you the and they are not going to defeat you. The Security Measures taken by photographers, photographers are actually photographers, photographers are actually up close and the neck in a way that actually up close and the neck in a way that journalists and Reporters Arent way that journalists and Reporters Arent the way that journalists and Reporters Arent. The Security Measures that they adopt arent. The Security Measures that they adopt varies. We will see some Tv Crews they adopt varies. 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Marianna springs that bbc� s disinformation, a video was posted on twitter last week appearing to show a dozen or more young boys holding Petrol Bombs. Adults are seenin holding Petrol Bombs. Adults are seen in the video clapping. The videos now been viewed more than half A Million times at least was up at its origins in the context around it are being poured over by people like yourselves. Like yourselves. What do we know about a . In like yourselves. What do we know about a . In many like yourselves. What do we know about a . In many ways like yourselves. What do we know about a . In many ways this like yourselves. What do we know about a . In many ways this is like yourselves. What do we know. About a . In many ways this is been like yourselves. What do we know i about a . In many ways this is been a blueprint for how disinformation spreads online. Particularly when you see protests or writing in The Streets. Its not something that unique to whats been happening in Northern Ireland over the past few weeks. Weve also seen it happening in the us and in some parts of the uk. With regard to different kinds of protest happening. I think when this is happening on a very political background the we inevitably see videos like that when you spoke about being misused, misappropriated in order to feel certain narratives sometimes its confusion, people are unsure about whats going on. Often we see people deliberately accusing one side of the other behind a particular video. In this case the video appears to show young people on the loyalist side. It was shared a couple time with people claiming it might be fake, these are active is actually on the other side. This is all part of an attempt to further stoke Tensions. 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The general picture in Northern Ireland there is an interesting study from digital forensic Research Lab Part of an american think tank, its warning that fake Social Media profiles are also being used to stir up tension in Northern Ireland in general. What can you tell us about that . Definitely. Its very interesting and concerning at the same time to see this happening. Again, It Something you see happen a lot when there are Tensions or protests. Because people look to further inflame those. And they Have different reasons for wanting to do that. These in on that Ticket Accounts which were removed justly the hallmark of an Influence Information to begin asking the question who would do this and why . Weve seen other messages circulating on places like whatsapp which its very difficult to get to the bottom of who sharing in them. Simile with facebook profiles and can be very hard to figure out who originally set up these accounts and why they did that. Why theyre looking to further exacerbate Violence Or Cause trouble. Often we talk about foreign Influences Campaign seem to do just that. To destabilise countries. In this case this could be domestic, it could be people looking to destabilise for their Own gain. Another thing to really watch out for on Social Media, be wary of how inauthentic accounts or influence operations are used to deliberately make things worse. To deliberately make people angrier. I think that quote you mention is so poignant because what happens on Social Media very much bleeds into whats happening on The Streets. ,. ,. ,. , bleeds into whats happening on The Streets. ,. ,. ,. Streets. Suzanne, Have you seen much of this activity streets. Suzanne, Have you seen much of this activity on streets. Suzanne, Have you seen much of this activity on social streets. Suzanne, Have you seen much of this activity on Social Media . Of this activity on Social Media . Yes, there is a lot of activity on social yes, there is a lot of activity on Social Media. And threats and can sprayed Social Media. And threats and can sprayed in Social Media. And threats and can sprayed. In the past may be a threat to a journalist was more direct. Now hundreds to a journalist was more direct. Now hundreds of to a journalist was more direct. Now hundreds of thousands of people can see it hundreds of thousands of people can see it. Theres a colleague of mine, a fantastic see it. Theres a colleague of mine, a Fantastic Young Female journalist on a sister a Fantastic Young Female journalist on a Sister Paper of the Belfast Telegraph she works for patricia devlin, telegraph she works for patricia devlin, shes received multiple death devlin, shes received multiple Death Threats for her work on loyal to Ioyaiist Death threats for her work on loyal to loyalist paramilitaries. Her name has appeared, theres actually been a threat has appeared, theres actually been a threat to has appeared, theres actually been a threat to her son. I fear that the police a threat to her son. I fear that the police Have a threat to her son. I fear that the police Have been good in dealing with some of the cases that noel has outlined with some of the cases that noel has outlined but they werent good at all initially in dealing with patricias threats. They didnt take it seriousiy patricias threats. They didnt take it seriously enough and shes actually it seriously enough and shes actually had to get the attention that it actually had to get the attention that it deserves. Actually had to get the attention that it deserves. Lets take a sharp turn now and that it deserves. Lets take a sharp turn now and think that it deserves. Lets take a sharp turn now and think about that it deserves. Lets take a sharp turn now and think about the that it deserves. Lets take a Sharpj Turn now and think about the world of tv. The bbc announced last month at bbc for ward its words become the home of the most distinctive content from across the bbc� s archive. Basically it will no longer commission Original Content for the channel. Vice media is also closing its Media Channel a0 years after it launched on sky. What is this all mean for the viewers . Kathy payne is one of the biggest players in television heading up the arm of banijay that sells programs. Banijay is the biggest internet do you know the Content Producer with over 120 Production Companies under its umbrella. And kathy is responsible for some of the most famous and love shows in the world including big brother, keeping up with the kardashians blinders. Kathy, eva said picture of your work, lets take it back if thats ok to one of the first major deals that you did. Backin the first major deals that you did. Back in 2001 use old home and away. The much Loved Australian soap opera. Although im more of the Neighbours Man myself but you sold that to Channel Five for £a0 million. There were reports that itv had offered twice as much to keep the show. Can you take us into the Auction Room for that deal . What was your role and why did you accept the Channel Five offer . Channel five offer . Yes, it was a Lona Channel five offer . Yes, it was a long time Channel Five offer . Yes, it was a longtime ago Channel Five offer . Yes, it was a long time ago. The Channel Five offer . Yes, it was a long time ago. The Deal Channel five offer . Yes, it was a long time ago. The deal was Channel Five offer . Yes, it was a long time ago. The deal was actually donein long time ago. The deal was actually done in 1999. And in terms of the process it was a nine month negotiation process. And the values that Have been stated there, the show has been on air on Channel Five for 20 years. So its a long period of time. How would away being much loved and was on itv and been on there for many years home and away. It was up to eight Renewal Date by tv, made an offer to renew the show at the time there was a lot less than what the show had been achieving and for a lot less Commitment. Myjob at that time was to think what was the long benefit for the show, the audience and the Owner'>Ip Owner which was Channel Seven in australia. So we were able to take the show to market. At that time Channel Five for launching. They needed some shows, they needed audience. They came on board and made an offer that itv at that time were not prepared to match. And that was the history. It was a risk. Theres always a risk of moving show from one network. It paid off . That when aid from one network. It paid off . That when paid off from one network. It paid off . That when paid off. You from one network. It paid off . That when paid off. You make it sound like they all Have. When paid off. You make it sound like they all Have. There is always those words like they all Have. There is always those words but like they all Have. There is always those words but i like they all Have. There is always those words but i think like they all Have. There is always those words but i think at like they all Have. There is always those words but i think at the like they all Have. There is alwaysj those words but i think at the end of Day Youve got to look at the Commitment of the network and at that time and it was really hard to move it from itv. It was Channel Five, stood up and made a Commitment and is continued with that Commitment. 50 and is continued with that Commitment. And is continued with that Commitment. � ,. ,. , Commitment. So its not always about the money then Commitment. So its not always about the money then. Theres Commitment. So its not always about the money then. Theres a Commitment. So its not always about the money then. Theres a lot Commitment. So its not always about the money then. Theres a lot you the money then. Theres a lot you Have to weigh up when you do these deals. Just to give you a bit of a bio to help the audience as well you went on to become the boss of end of knOwn for Reality Tv shows and games 2015 merged with shine group. With the was the head. That deal had to be signed off by the European Commission because it was so big. And potentially powerful. Sorry banijay, i should say. How do you respond to people who worry about so much Tv Power Resting in the hands of a company like yours, banijay . Well, i think what you Have to remember is that we do operate 120 Production Companies in 20 territories. Thats where we physically produce content. And for a large part of the rest of the world where we dont Have Production Entities we licence the right to produce shows or licence shows that are already made. We are governed by Broadcasting Standards in each of those territories. And whatever you say about content and how you consume Content And Audience in any market tells you what they want to watch. And there is Culture Case are so specific to every territory. And that will never change. That is why many of these global comp 28 streaming companies who will come under pressure to Have quotas on them, they already know to be successful on a global Footprint Theyve got to be telling stories that are very relevant to local audiences in those local markets. So i think the audience dictates. Surely size does matter in your game. Do you Have it with power, do you ever strong arm a channel into perhaps taking a Drama Series that you are trying to push in exchange for Something Else . You might say to the bbc yes you can Have a mastermind for this much but you Have to take this series as well. Do you ever find yourself making those sorts of deals . Sorts of deals . Well, in some territories sorts of deals . Well, in some territories on sorts of deals . Well, in some territories on some sorts of deals . Well, in some i territories on some programmes sorts of deals . Well, in some territories on some programmes we Have, the division im responsible for distribution so we are doing original productions we do Co Productions we do finish programme sales. Yes, sometimes its literature that comes into a negotiation. Thats no different to the way that you could say the streamers are offering great Talent Deals to suck up a lot of the talent to be a valid available exclusively for them. To be a valid available exclusively forthem. But to be a valid available exclusively for them. But if you use leverage in the wrong way it never pays off. That is my experience. Right, okay. It sounds like you Have a little bit of experience in that. At masterchef, lets talk about this huge Back Catalogue of content that youve got. The pandemic is obviously put limits on much of the productions students had to close dOwn orfurlough. Does productions students had to close dOwn or furlough. Does that mean that channels Have been rushing to buy your repeats . Has been a bumper time for you . I buy your repeats . Has been a bumper time for you . Time for you . I think there were two thins. Time for you . I think there were two things youve time for you . I think there were two things. Youve got time for you . I think there were two things. Youve got the time for you . I think there were two things. Youve got the streaming things. Youve got the streaming platform rise. We all know the global ones the netflix, amazon, Disney Plaza but then what you will Haveis Disney Plaza but then what you will Have is all the domestic when i called domestic Streaming Platforms who are looking to develop probably what was a Catch Up Service originally into a proper demand offering. People like Britt Box in the uk or iplayerfor offering. People like Britt Box in the uk or iplayer for the offering. People like Britt Box in the uk or iplayerfor the bbc. Where they actually acquire programming just for those services in addition to their linear services. Definitely with the pandemic there was a real delay for scripting production. Unscripted was able to get up and running quite quickly. Except for some biggerformats that running quite quickly. Except for some bigger formats that require international travel. Certainly there were slots available and it did Have attention on library rerunning classics. And that has been great to be able to do that. But the real big growth is from Streaming Services who are looking for a long running franchises. And in our catalogue we do Have a lot of those. fin in our catalogue we do Have a lot of those. ,. ,. , those. On that Topic Tim Devi the head of the those. On that Topic Tim Devi the head of the bbc those. On that Topic Tim Devi the head of the bbc has those. On that Topic Tim Devi the head of the bbc has at those. On that Topic Tim Devi the head of the bbc has at that those. On that Topic Tim Devi the I Head of the bbc has at that national Broadcasters Cant and shouldnt try to compete with the Deep Pockets of us streamers like netflix, prime and disney. D0 us streamers like netflix, prime and disne. ,. , disney. Do you agree with that . I think that they disney. Do you agree with that . I think that they compete disney. Do you agree with that . I think that they compete in disney. Do you agree with that . I think that they compete in a think that they compete in a different way. They compete by having a very focused on domestic shows where they can give them attention. And deliver something to an audience that is very focused for that Market Study Streaming service may not. Where a Streaming Service do want shows that work globally. Thank you very much to all our guest this week on the media show. We had of course kathy payne, Chief Executive at Banijay Rights was up early with her for marry on a spring that bbc� s this information reported. Noel doran british lignite we will be back next week thank you for your time. We will be back next week thank you foryourtime. Goodbye. The weather was pretty good on friday and the fine weather is expected to last of the weekend. A little on the nippy side but heres the good news. The afternoons will turn just that little bit warmer. Temperatures are expected to rise by at least two or three degrees. That something. Tonight Clear Skies across most of the uk. A touch of frost here and they but notice the southerly breeze out towards the west and northwest. Keeping Things Frost free in northern Ireland And Western Parts of scotland. The Morning Claire and chris for many parts of scotland, england and wales. Northern ireland pretty sunny too. The winds will be like, these tonnes of strong this time of year. Temperatures will get up time of year. Temperatures will get up to around 1a degrees in belfast, liverpool maybe cardiff was up the higher temperature will be a bit further towards the west of the uk. Sunday it will turn a little more cloudy. Even some splits and spots of rain in the far northwest. Windsor prepares its final farewell to the duke of edinburgh, whose funeral will be held tomorrow at the castle. Tonight, Buckingham Palace released a new photo of the Duke And Queen in happy, relaxed times, in the cairngorms in 2003. The archbishop of canterbury, who will play a key part in the funeral service, said the queen would face the day as a monarch and a grieving widow. Shes the queen. She will beHave with the extraordinary dignity and extraordinary courage that she always does. Well be looking at how the Royal Family will Have to mourn, like so many others this last year, bound by the covid restrictions. Also on the programme. The actress helen mccrory, knOwn for her roles in Peaky Blinders and the Harry Potter films, has died of cancer at the age of 52