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The yeas are 50, the nazar 49. The bill as amended is passed. The Us Senate Passes president biden� s 1. 9 trillion dollar covid relief plan by a single vote. The duke and Duchess Of Cambridge talk about the impact of the pandemic, in a special programme on the commonwealth. Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. Joining me are the political commentator and former conservative advisor Lynn Davidson and john rentoul Chief Political Commentator at the independent. Our at the independent. Chat in a moment. Lovely to s you our chat in a moment. Lovely to see you both there. First, to put you through some of tomorrows front pages, and its the royalfamily, which features on many of them, the queen wont watch harry and megans interview with Oprah Winfrey so writes the times. Meghan� s. And instead will go on a Charm Offensive next week. The mirror claims the Duchess Of Cambridge could be brought into the probe into alleged bullying by her sister in law. Harry and meghan feature on the front of the telegraph. The paper also reports that lord frost, borisjohnson� s europe adviser, has told the European Union to stop sulking over brexit. And below a picture of the queen who the paper says is focused only on duty and her husband the express leads on the Chancellors Efforts to make tech giants pay more tax. Finally, the sunday people says its time to pay up boris in reference to the furious backlash over his offer of a i pay rise for nhs workers. So that was a quick look through some of the front pages. Lovely to see you back. Lets start. John, you are going to start us off this time around. Here he and meghan, featuring on the front page of the times, or rather, the queens alleged take on it. Times, or rather, the queens alleged take on it. Yes, the queen wont watch alleged take on it. Yes, the queen wont watch that alleged take on it. Yes, the queen wont watch that harry alleged take on it. Yes, the queen wont watch that harry and alleged take on it. Yes, the queen | wont watch that harry and meghan circus, and thats one thing that the queen and i have in common. Dont stop there, john. Carry on, please. Dont stop there, john. Carry on, lease. �. ,. ,. , please. Im a great fan of the queen. Please. Im a great fan of the queen im please. Im a great fan of the queen. Im probably please. Im a great fan of the queen. Im probably on please. Im a great fan of the queen. Im probably on team please. Im a great fan of the queen. Im probably on team harry and meghan, i think im in this particular dispatch, which seems to be not so much with the queen, but with what they call the firm, the advisers around her who seem to have gone on a Briefing Spree of anonymous quotations about how, warning harry and meghan, that if they attacked the queen, then the firm will retaliate against them. Its almost most undignified, and as i say, i shunned be watching the interview. ,. ,. ,. , interview. Here is a thought, i was wonderin interview. Here is a thought, i was wondering if interview. Here is a thought, i was wondering if you interview. Here is a thought, i was wondering if you could interview. Here is a thought, i was wondering if you could give interview. Here is a thought, i was wondering if you could give me interview. Here is a thought, i was. Wondering if you could give me your thoughts on this, but lots of headlines and lots of stories often start with meghan, they never start with harry, its a must as if harry doesnt have his own mind. I know, it is interesting, doesnt have his own mind. I know, it is interesting, isnt doesnt have his own mind. I know, it is interesting, isnt it . Doesnt have his own mind. I know, it is interesting, isnt it . I it is interesting, isnt it . I suppose it is interesting, isnt it . I suppose shes fresh and shes new and, suppose shes fresh and shes new and. Of suppose shes fresh and shes new and, of course, we all know who she is now, and, of course, we all know who she is now. But and, of course, we all know who she is now, but there is a . Over the attention is now, but there is a . Over the attention to is now, but there is a . Over the attention to her. Is it because shes attention to her. Is it because shes a attention to her. Is it because shes a strong woman . Is it because shes shes a strong woman . Is it because shes very shes a strong woman . Is it because shes very independent and has opinions shes very independent and has opinions that she is not afraid to show . Opinions that she is not afraid to show . Is opinions that she is not afraid to show . Is there . There . I mean, think we can show . Is there . There . I mean, think we can see show . Is there . There . I mean, think we can see now the increasing polarisation, if you like, between the us polarisation, if you like, between the us and polarisation, if you like, between the us and uk on this. And we saw, indeed, the us and uk on this. And we saw, indeed, her the us and uk on this. And we saw, indeed, heracting partner come if you like. Indeed, heracting partner come if you like, patrick adams, who she acted you like, patrick adams, who she acted in you like, patrick adams, who she acted in suits with, he sent a series acted in suits with, he sent a series of acted in suits with, he sent a series of tweets yesterday and strong series of tweets yesterday and strong support of his friend and former strong support of his friend and former colleague. It was hugely criticai former colleague. It was hugely critical of former colleague. It was hugely critical of the monarchy, actually, about critical of the monarchy, actually, about it critical of the monarchy, actually, about it. � ,. , critical of the monarchy, actually, about it. � ,. ,. About it. And you will be watching it . Yes. About it. And you will be watching it . Yes im about it. And you will be watching it . Yes. Im sure about it. And you will be watching it . Yes. Im sure i about it. And you will be watching it . Yes. Im sure i will. About it. And you will be watching it . Yes. Im sure i will. And about it. And you will be watching it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of. It . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course. It . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course. The it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course, the queen it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course, the queen is it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course, the queen is also it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of. Course, the queen is also giving it . Yes. Im sure i will. And of course, the queen is also giving its commonwealth to come of course, and i commonwealth to come of course, and i cant commonwealth to come of course, and i cant believe it was quite a year ao icant believe it was quite a year ago that i cant believe it was quite a year ago that the royals had their last outing ago that the royals had their last outing altogether come if you are member outing altogether come if you are member come at Westminster Abbey for that Service Member come at Westminster Abbey for that service which obviously cant io that service which obviously cant go ahead that service which obviously cant go ahead this year, so instead, we are having go ahead this year, so instead, we are having that programme. So we will see are having that programme. So we will see a are having that programme. So we will see a message from the queen and other will see a message from the queen and other members of the royal family and other members of the royal family about the importance of the commonwealth to them, and then of course, commonwealth to them, and then of course, there will be the oprah show~ course, there will be the oprah show. ,. ,. , course, there will be the oprah show. ,. ,. , show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will look show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will look at show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will look at some show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will look at some of show. Ok, number of covert stories that we will look at some of the that we will look at some of the first of which is in the Mail On Sunday. We are finding real freedom is the headline, john. Yes. Sunday. We are finding real freedom is the headline, john. Is the headline, john. Yes, they have exclusive is the headline, john. Yes, they have exclusive words is the headline, john. Yes, they have exclusive words from is the headline, john. Yes, they have exclusive words from the i is the headline, john. Yes, they have exclusive words from the Prime Minister which are actually rather dull, i have to say. He says get the vaccine from a get tested, remember we are all in this together. It is next to say anything new except that on monday, he is hailing the return to school, thus echoing one of the royal anonymous briefings, which is that the picture above in the mail on monday, most people in britain will be thinking about schools going back and about prince philip. They wont be, you know, the subtext being they wont be watching that tv programme. Being they wont be watching that tv rouramme. ~. , being they wont be watching that tv rouramme. ~. ,. , being they wont be watching that tv programme programme. What was so dull about the stories. Programme. What was so dull about the stories, the programme. What was so dull about the stories, the words programme. What was so dull about the stories, the words that programme. What was so dull about the stories, the words that he the stories, the words that he alluded to, you are nodding frantically. I wasnt sure if you could see me when i wasnt sure if you could see me when you i wasnt sure if you could see me when you are doing this from home, reaiiy~ when you are doing this from home, reaiiy~ there when you are doing this from home, really. There were 57 million covert testing really. There were 57 million Covert Testing Kits really. There were 57 million Covert Testing Kits being sent out to schools testing kits being sent out to schools. You know, if one was cynical, schools. You know, if one was cynical, one schools. You know, if one was cynical, one might imagine there was another cynical, one might imagine there was another Front Page Story in mind there another Front Page Story in mind there that another Front Page Story in mind there that was usurped by that one there. There that was usurped by that one there. But there that was usurped by that one there. But i there that was usurped by that one there, but i dont know. It alludes to jabs there, but i dont know. It alludes to jabs to there, but i dont know. It alludes to jabs to the Under 60s Of Corus and the to jabs to the Under 60s Of Corus and the continual roll out of the vaccine, and the continual roll out of the vaccine, but notjealous not much else there vaccine, but not ealous not much else there else there. Rishi seneca leaving tax leadin else there. Rishi seneca leaving tax leading tax else there. Rishi seneca leaving tax leading tax fight else there. Rishi seneca leaving tax leading tax fight back. Else there. Rishi seneca leaving tax leading tax fight back. Yes, leading tax fight back. Yes, rishi sunak leading tax fight back. Yes, rishi sunak at leading tax fight back. Yes, rishi sunak at the leading tax fight back. Yes, Rishi Sunak At The Chancellor L leading tax fight back. Is rishi sunak at the chancellor and most popular politician in britain is spearheading an International Effort to negotiate a deal on how to tax these International Tech corporations. There is clearly a problem with these very large corporations mostly dealing in tangible things, and you know, internet platforms. Its very difficult to pin them down as to where they are actually making a profit and to tax it, that requires a lot of international cooperation, and thats what the chancellor is working on. Thats a surprisingly serious story for a Sunday Morning on the front of the sunday express. Spearheading or revisiting, because france tried this as well, didnt they . France tried this as well, didnt the . ~. , france tried this as well, didnt the . ~. ,. ,. , france tried this as well, didnt the 7~. ,. ,. ,. ,. , they . We have heard a lot of talk from politicians, they . We have heard a lot of talk from politicians, indeed, they . We have heard a lot of talk from politicians, indeed, we they . We have heard a lot of talk| from politicians, indeed, we heard they . We have heard a lot of talk i from politicians, indeed, we heard a lot from from politicians, indeed, we heard a lot from us from politicians, indeed, we heard a lot from us President Joe Biden last year when lot from us President Joe Biden last year when he was on the Campaign Trail talking tough on this, if you like. Trail talking tough on this, if you like. And trail talking tough on this, if you like. And of trail talking tough on this, if you like, and of course, donald trump was of like, and of course, donald trump was of the like, and of course, donald trump was of the same view also, but i think was of the same view also, but i think what was of the same view also, but i think what they are looking to hear is this think what they are looking to hear is this g7 think what they are looking to hear is this 67 meeting and its going to be is this 67 meeting and its going to he in is this 67 meeting and its going to be in cornwall later in the year, and thats be in cornwall later in the year, and thats an opportunity there the chancelior and thats an opportunity there the chancellor than to speak to his counterparts, Finance Ministers from across counterparts, Finance Ministers from across the counterparts, Finance Ministers from across the globe while they are all there across the globe while they are all there together and think of a way of how to there together and think of a way of how to harness that or Work Together to try how to harness that or Work Together to try to how to harness that or Work Together to try to deal with that as john said to try to deal with that as john said because it cuts across borders and its said because it cuts across borders and its a said because it cuts across borders and its a global issue. Take said because it cuts across borders and its a global issue. And its a global issue. Take us to the sunday and its a global issue. Take us to the sunday page. And its a global issue. Take us to the sunday page, and and its a global issue. Take us to the sunday page, and concerned | the sunday page, and concerned parents celebrate but false positives could be an issue. Mean, this is going back to schools reopening on monday and the Prime Minister in the Mail On Sunday is obviously trumpeting the fact that he has sent these 57 million testing kits to schools, so that i think the idea is certainly secondary schools intending to test pupils twice a week, but there are concerns raised ijy week, but there are concerns raised by the Sunday Telegraph over whether these how accurate these lateral flow quick tests are, but unfortunately, there is not much detail in the report of how inaccurate they are, clearly, they do throw up some false positives and false negatives, and somebody is quoted in the Sunday Telegraph making a sensible suggestion which is if you get a positive test from one of the quick tests, the lateral flow tests, than it should be confirmed with a more accurate pcr test, and i cant remember what pcr stands for. For test, and i cant remember what pcr stands for. ,. ,. Stands for. For us here at the bbc, we have to stands for. For us here at the bbc, we have to be stands for. For us here at the bbc, we have to be tested stands for. For us here at the bbc, we have to be tested twice stands for. For us here at the bbc, we have to be tested twice a stands for. For us here at the bbc, i we have to be tested twice a because well, your thoughts . I we have to be tested twice a because well, your thoughts . Well, your thoughts . I suppose its one of those well, your thoughts . I suppose its one of those commonsense well, your thoughts . I suppose its i one of those commonsense things, one of those common sense things, but of one of those common sense things, but of course, children could end up being but of course, children could end up being wrongly kept back from school, of course, being wrongly kept back from school, of course, and even end up missing more of course, and even end up missing more than of course, and even end up missing more than they already have and that is the more than they already have and that is the fear more than they already have and that is the fear. But it sounds evidently sensible is the fear. But it sounds evidently sensible. I� m is the fear. But it sounds evidently sensible. �. ,. , sensible. Im going to stay with ou, i sensible. Im going to stay with you. I know sensible. Im going to stay with you, i know its sensible. Im going to stay with you, i know its johns sensible. Im going to stay with you, i know its johns story, i sensible. Im going to stay with | you, i know its johns story, but you, i know itsjohns story, but in the independence, we have, i would like to know your thoughts on these hidden patients. Yes. Would like to know your thoughts on these hidden patients. These hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million, these hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million. Its these hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million. Its a these hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million, its a big these hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million, its a big number. These hidden patients. Yes, the 6 million, its a big number. The. These hidden patients. Yes, the 6 i million, its a big number. The Nhs Confederation chief has spoken out in this confederation chief has spoken out in this instance just talking about the fact in this instance just talking about the fact that actually, they will find it the fact that actually, they will find it very difficult to keep to the targets, the targets that they are meant to achieve every year because are meant to achieve every year because of are meant to achieve every year because of whats happened here, now, because of whats happened here, now. We because of whats happened here, now, we have got lots of people on waiting now, we have got lots of people on waiting lists, they are growing, particularly on the elective side, and that particularly on the elective side, and that will continue to get worse as covid and that will continue to get worse as covid recedes. Hes really highlighting this point and putting it front highlighting this point and putting it front and centre in peoples nrines it front and centre in peoples mines. Now, obviously so they can plan for mines. Now, obviously so they can plan for earlier and also pointing out that plan for earlier and also pointing out that despite this being a big Spending Budget that they have this week, Spending Budget that they have this week, there was not more money for the nhs week, there was not more money for the nhs to week, there was not more money for the nhs to help deal with us. | rdrill the nhs to help dealwith us. I will be interested the nhs to help dealwith us. I will be interested to the nhs to help dealwith us. I will be interested to know, the nhs to help deal with us. In ll be interested to know, john, what criticism the Nhs Confederation had for rishi sunak. They are taxable because they are trying to represent all of these nhs bodies, so they dont particularly want to get into a fight with the government, but they are quietly making the case for more resources, and you know, it wont have missed, there wasnt any extra money in the budget. I mean, rishi sunak will say, well, you know, theres going to be a proper Spending Review later in the year, the need for extra resources in the nhs is quite urgent, and a terrible thing about the coronavirus pandemic is that the nhs was just the coronavirus pandemic is that the nhs wasjust beginning the coronavirus pandemic is that the nhs was just beginning to get more resources when the virus struck because after ten years of quite tight financial settlements under the conservatives, you know, boris johnson, theresa may to be fair to her, the coronavirus pandemic has just knocked the whole of the nhs. Like you said, the implications for waiting times and waiting lists, and Understanding British public, do you think. ~ Understanding British public, do you thinkjohn. Understanding british public, do you think. John, just Understanding British public, do you think. John, just finish Understanding British public, do you think. John, just finish us. Think. Well,. John, ust Finish Us Off On that. H think. Well,. John, ust Finish Us Off On that. Rh think. Well,. John, just Finish Us Off On that. I understood off on that. I understood understand off on that. I understood understand the off on that. I understood understand the pros off on that. I understood understand the pros public, off on that. I understood understand the pros public, no, i dont think they do understand, i think they want to see more money spent on nhs and including a nurses pay, which i think we will come due next. �. Pay, which i think we will come due next. � ,. ,. Pay, which i think we will come due next. � ,. ,. , next. Lets do that. So the sunday eole, next. Lets do that. So the sunday people. Time next. Lets do that. So the sunday people. Time to next. Lets do that. So the sunday people. Time to pay next. Lets do that. So the sunday people, time to pay up, next. Lets do that. So the sunday people, time to pay up, boris. Next. Lets do that. So the sunday. People, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course. People, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course. We people, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course, we will people, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course, we will have people, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course, we will have seen people, time to pay up, boris. Yes, of course, we will have seen that the nurses of course, we will have seen that the nurses and indeed a large portion the nurses and indeed a large portion of the nurses and indeed a large portion of the public as well not happy portion of the public as well not happy about what they see as a meagre happy about what they see as a meagre pay for nhs, and with other announcements in the budget on the thresholds, means for some, there is some thresholds, means for some, there is some iahour thresholds, means for some, there is some labour study out there saying that the some labour study out there saying that the people are going to be some £300 a that the people are going to be some £300 a year worse off and the nurses of course £300 a year worse off and the nurses of Course Nursing Unions have got this war of Course Nursing Unions have got this war chest if you like, amassed of nroney this war chest if you like, amassed of money for potential strike. To think of money for potential strike. Trr think theres going to be something of a u turn here . Think theres going to be something ofa u turn here . I think theres going to be something of a uturn here . Of a uturn here . I think they will t to of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand firm of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand firm on of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand firm on this. Of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand firm on this. I of a uturn here . I think they will try to stand firm on this. I think. Try to stand firm on this. I think its quite try to stand firm on this. I think its quite interesting in terms of this budget, indeed, we have seen hudgets this budget, indeed, we have seen budgets in this budget, indeed, we have seen budgets in the past unravel days after budgets in the past unravel days after they were given, but we havent after they were given, but we havent seen that really. This has been havent seen that really. This has been the havent seen that really. This has been the one piece thats kind of stuck. Been the one piece thats kind of stuck. This been the one piece thats kind of stuck, this issue of pay, but of course. Stuck, this issue of pay, but of course, with the government is trying course, with the government is trying to course, with the government is trying to argue is that private Sector Workers indeed many have lost private Sector Workers indeed many have lost theirjobs, if they have not lost have lost theirjobs, if they have not lost theirjobs, perhaps have their not lost theirjobs, perhaps have their pay not lost theirjobs, perhaps have their pay cuts, whereas in the public their pay cuts, whereas in the public sector, the there isjob security. Public sector, the there isjob security. And public sector, the there isjob security, and what they are trained to point security, and what they are trained to point out security, and what they are trained to point out is the kind of fairness that. To point out is the kind of fairness that. But to point out is the kind of fairness that. But of to point out is the kind of fairness that, but of course, nurses have been that, but of course, nurses have been on that, but of course, nurses have been on the that, but of course, nurses have been on the front line, key workers throughout been on the front line, key workers throughout this whole pandemic and a lot of members of the public as well as nurses lot of members of the public as well as nurses themselves are Feeling Guite as nurses themselves are Feeling Guite sore as nurses themselves are feeling quite sore about this. Gk, as nurses themselves are feeling quite sore about this. As nurses themselves are feeling quite sore about this. Ok, we are auoin to quite sore about this. Ok, we are going to finish quite sore about this. Ok, we are going to finish with quite sore about this. Ok, we are going to finish with the quite sore about this. Ok, we are going to finish with the scotland i quite sore about this. Ok, we are i going to finish with the scotland on sunday, john, and this is part of a survey, what is it telling us . Its survey, what is it telling us . Its another survey, what is it telling us . It� s another opinion poll in scotland, and of course, these Opinion Polls are being watched quite closely now as we approach the Scottish Parliament elections. Its the first time that the opposition to independence has gone back into a clear lead in a poll finding 52 would vote no to independence and 48 would vote yes if you exclude the nose. That is significant and it comes at a time when Nicholas Turgeon is going through quite a male of criticism over her relationship with her predecessor, alex salmond. So they are suffering some damage from that. Is some damage from that. Is significant than . Yes. Some damage from that. Is significant than . Yes. I some damage from that. Is. Significant than . Yes. I think some damage from that. Is significant than . Yes. I think we have had something significant than . Yes. I think we have had something of significant than . Yes. I think we have had something of at significant than . Yes. I think we have had something of at least. Significant than . Yes. I think we have had something of at least more than 20. Have had something of at least more than 20, they say of executive polls have shown than 20, they say of executive polls have shown support for independence. This has have shown support for independence. This has been quite

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