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BBCNEWS Outside Source July 13, 2024

An important moment in the impeachment inquiry into donald trump. The House Intelligence Committee which has been leading the investigation so far has just released its findings, after ten weeks of closed and then open public hearings. Heres what it says the evidence of the president s misconduct heres what it says. Heres adam schiff a short time ago. The president of the United States solicited foreign interference in our election and used the power of his office, the power to convene a meeting in the oval office and the power to provide or withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to an ally at war to get his political dirty work done. White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham has released a statement saying. Chris buckler is in washington. This is dramatic. The press conference was dramatic and the reports are dramatic for isnt really a ny reports are dramatic for isnt really any different to what we were hearing from adam schiff a week two ago . At the heart of this, all of these accusations have been led out. Some of them in public hearings, shown on television across the United States. But there is something about a 300 page report that essentially details all of what the democrats say are the actions of the democrats say are the actions of the president that warrant an impeachment inquiry into the first place. We go through it, they accuse him of intimidating witnesses, trying to stop others from giving testimony, and also come at the heart of it, the fact that he used his position to try and abandon us Foreign Policy to benefit him from a personal political point of view. Specifically, with the eyes on the 2020 election. Certainly, that is going to be effective in trying to push this forward and to get an impeachment hearing. A trial inside of the senate and it looks like we are heading that direction. But at the same time, although they democrats from the Intelligence Committee are pushing this report, republicans have actually played out their own report and enter they are saying that the president has done nothing wrong. They have sat through the same 100 hours of testimony, listen to the same 17 witnesses come and have come up with a completely different response the spite the fa ct different response the spite the fact they listen to the same thing republicans saying that ultimately, there was no investigation into President Trump rivals, ultimately military aid was paid to ukraine and what is the problem now. That is going to be the battle inside congress over the next month or two. About the next two days, we have this report. What is the next step in the process . This report after a vote will then be handed to the housejudiciary vote will then be handed to the house judiciary committee. At that stage they will drop what are known as articles of impeachment. They are essentially formal charges against the president. And they will be charges that say he has abused his power in some way. At that stage, it is all then pushed on potentially to the senate. If there is a vote inside the full us house of representatives, and very likely democrats will vote for that, then he goes to the senate with 100 senators act as the jury in a trial of President Trump. That is looking likely but it must be said because the republicans control the senate, it is highly highly unlikely that President Trump will be removed from office. Thank you. While that is happening, remember that President Trump is in england. Nato leaders are meeting in london and marking the organisations 70th anniversary. In the last few minutes the leaders have been arriving at downing street for an official reception heres President Trump and his wife melania arriving to a choir singing christmas carols. Earlier there was a reception at buckingham palace. Heres President Trump and his wife melania arriving for and here they are earlier meeting the Prince Charles and camilla at clarence house. If president macron was feeling scorned by mr trump, he certainly wasnt showing it here he isjoking withjournalists on his way into downing street. We also have pictures of him with the queen. It was the charles and camilla there. We also see charles. And Boris Johnson camilla there. We also see charles. And borisjohnson as well. Nato is an acronym it stands for the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation it was an alliance formed to help america and its european allies united against the threat of the soviet union after the end of the second world war. 70 years on its an alliance under pressure. In an interview last month, Emmanuel Macron was fiercely critical. He said. That being a reference to turkeys invasion of Northern Syria. Then in a phrase which certainly cut through he called nato brain dead. Today donald trump responded. And i heard that president macron said nato is brain dead, i think that is very insulting to a lot of different people, including amanda, who does a very good job of running nato. That is a very, very nasty statement to essentially 28, including them, 28 countries. In the past donald trump called nato obsolete but here we have him defending it. And the two men met this afternoon. Heres president macron. My statements created some reaction, shaked a lot of people. I do stand by them. And i have to say, when you look at what nato is or should be, first of all, this is a burden we share. And President Trumpjust remind you of some figures, this is perfectly true that the us over invested decades after decades. And it is number one by far. And i do share that statement. That is why i am a strong supporter of a stronger component in nato. Mr macron has continued his critique today, saying the alliance needs to reasses its aims if it is to prosper and calling for a new Nuclear Disarmament treaty. Next lets hear from nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg talking to lyse doucet about the trump macron tensions. It is not for me to comment on that kind of issues. You should. It has an impact on the alliance. No. To go into that discussion, i will only make it more difficult to unite allies. So my task is to unite our allies and i welcome the fact that president macron, recently, he was very committed to nato. President trump, he has a very strong commitment to nato. And then we had some disagreement. And the best thing then is to sit down, me in the same room and discuss the issues face to face, i will facilitate that, leading that meeting and then hopefully we will find ways to solve the issues where we see disagreements. And heres lyse doucet with her analysis. The view among and nato Member States when i asked was president macrons statement a wake upcall, they said no, there was actually a backlash in the sense of germany doubled down to be even more committed to nato. So did the poles. And the americans are commiting. So it had the opposite reaction that president macron had wanted, that people became even more committed to nato. At the heart of President Trumps frustrations is the level of defence spending by some of his nato allied. Spending by some of his nato allies. Here are the figures. This is from the bbcs reality check. The target is for all nato members to spend 2 of gdp on defence by 202a. Below a third currently do. America spends 3. 4 of gdp on defence and President Trump wants countries to commit to spending 4 . Here he is again. Nato is becoming different then it was, much bigger than it was a much stronger than it was because people are not fulfilling their commitments bust up there are some countries that arent fulfilling their commitment and those countries are going to be dealt with, maybe ill deal with them from a trade standpoint or maybe ill deal with them in a different way. Ill work something out where they have to pay, but we dont want to have people delinquent. Jon donnison is at downing street. What is the format . Look, we had a bit of a festive atmosphere down at downing street today. You see the tree behind me and we had some carol singers but as you have been hearing in the start of the programme comes in pretty frosty moments at times between those nato leaders. President trump just left within the last half an hour and that the beast, the only one of the nato leaders to be allowed to bring his car, the armoured limousine come onto downing street come along with a decoy which travels with it. Yes, some pretty frosty moments that a. There wouldve been a lot of pleasantries today as see leaders arise. At what point do they sit down and start getting into the real detail of their differences . We did have some potentially difficult meeting said they hear a downing street. We had borisjohnson hosting the turkish president , president erdogan, we also had Emmanuel Macron there as well, the french president at the same time. We heard those differences that were expressed throughout the day, president macron againa throughout the day, president macron again a very critical of turkey, and its operation in Northern Syria against the kurds. Or macron regarding those Kurdish Forces of being a key ally in the fight against isis. Also critical of that deal that turkey has done with russia for a Missile Defence system. And president macron sticking by those comments that he made saying that nato at the moment wasnt brain dead. That nato at the moment wasnt braindead. Hearing a lot from donald trump and Emmanuel Macron and president erdogan as well. Perhaps not so much from the uk despite the fa ct not so much from the uk despite the fact that it is the house. Is that fair comment . A very common. That is fair comment. You can still see the red carpet behind me. We had all of those nato leaders, bar one, appearing on that red carpet for some of the one person who didnt appear was president Boris Johnson. We have hardly seen him today. The only picture she really got of him 01 only picture she really got of him or that made a lot of the News Headlines were him on the Election Campaign trail that this morning elsewhere in the uk. He has certainly not wanted to be seen alongside of President Trump, theres been no bilateral meetings that we have been made aware of. I think that is probably because downing street has made the assessment that during an election, it may be does not play too well with a big proportion of the british electorate to be seen too close to the american leader. Thank you. Lets pick up on what he was saying. Donald trumps trip to london for the nato summit is inevitably becoming an issue in the uk Election Campaign. We know hes keen on borisjohnson but it seems the Prime Minister is keeping him at arms length. Not because he doesnt like donald trump but because of this. The Daily Telegraph which is a staunch supporter of borisjohnson tells us. Heres the reason for that calculation. This yougov poll shows Donald Trumps popularity in the uk. 18 positive, 67 negative. Heres what the president thinks of that. They may not like me because im representing us and im representing us strongly. President obama did not represent us strong. He gave everything away. If the uk does leave the eu it will have to negotiate a free trade deal with the United States. The labour party has repeatedly raised concerns that a post brexit trade deal with the us will open up the National Health service to american companies. They say the americans will seek to do that. Donald trump was asked about that today. I dont even know how the rumour started. We have absolutely nothing to do with it. And we wouldnt want to. If you handed it to us on a silver platter, we want nothing to do with it. Thats different to what he said when he visited the uk injune. I think everything with the trade deal is on the table. When you are dealing in trade, everything is on the table. So nhs or anything else. A lot more than that. But everything will be on the table, absolutely. Donald trump says he doesnt know where these claims about the nhs are coming from. Well partly from him. And partly because of this leaked dossier which outlines preliminary talks between uk and us trade officials. It shows the us officials pushing for us Drug Companies to have greater access to the uk market. But we should say these are preliminary talks and the uk hasnt agreed to anything. For his part, borisjohnson has repeatedly said the nhs will not be up for sale. Though thats a phrase that can mean a number of different things. The Scottish National party wants to introduce legislation to ensure access is restricted. Heres its leader nicola sturgeon. I dont want the future of the nhs to be dependent on trusting the word of borisjohnson or donald trump. So lets have legislation that explicitly and in statute takes any risk of trade negotiations to the nhs away and make it clear that the nhs, notjust will not be on the table but could not be on the table in any trade negotiations. Lets bring injessa lets bring in jessa jessica lets bring injessa Jessica Parker from westminister. People talking about donald trump, what else has been going on in the Election Campaign we should also Pay Attention to . On a lot of the focus has been on the following around donald trump lending in the uk last night. The potential impact on the general election because it is highly unusual to have an International Summit taking place in the capital of london in the midst ofa the capital of london in the midst of a general Election Campaign as we come towards a polling day. As you have been discussing, theres been this tight rope that borisjohnson is trying to walk where he doesnt wa nt to is trying to walk where he doesnt want to offend the us president who he sees could be an important ally Going Forward in the conservative party view, but doesnt want to be seen to cosy up them too much because Boris Johnson seen to cosy up them too much because borisjohnson that seen to cosy up them too much because Boris Johnson that the labour party will want to paint borisjohnson as labour party will want to paint Boris Johnson as perhaps labour party will want to paint borisjohnson as perhaps being in the pocket of donald trump more broadly but also specific to it as we come this fairly big issue in the general Election Campaign, that of the future of the nhs can allegedly be used to some sort of bargaining chip ina be used to some sort of bargaining chip in a future trade deal. It is a slightly odd situation or an International Summit has taken centre stage today in the general Election Campaign, labour trying to really use it to hammer home this message that they have repeatedly that they think the nhs is at risk ofa that they think the nhs is at risk of a conservative lead post brexit trade to of the conservative parties saying that his total rubbish. Interest in donald trump coming to town and the contacts outpost brexit trade deals. More broadly come i wonder if Foreign Policy is as big an issue as we have seen in previous elections. Im sure there are viewers outside of the uk watching 110w viewers outside of the uk watching now thinking back to tony blair and his Foreign Policy with a central plank of his argument to the country. I dont quite hear that as much in this election. No, but we have a no say summit smack in the general election, and the capital city, and they maybe it does ramp up interest in Foreign Policy, how we deal with our allies, build those relationships, and defence policy, which is often regarded as something thatis which is often regarded as something that is very important but may be doesnt chime that well with the broader public in those areas where defence is important, say for example a naval city like portsmouth 01 example a naval city like portsmouth or Something Like that. It is interesting and it does taking up the scale a little bit, this idea of Foreign Policy, and the future of nato, something that may we will usually discussing at this stage of the general Election Campaign and not with this level of prominence but because donald trump is seen as such a huge figure in International Politics and an incredibly controversial one, just feel that america are being the primary power does feel like loss nato, the future of it, defence spending all under discussion, he does suck a lot of the limelight because everybody is waiting to see what he might say next and of course it was very interesting today when he said he didnt really want to pass com

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