Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20240713 : comparem

Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20240713

Sources in the Royal Household say Prince William is concerned for his brother. Prince harry and his wife the duchess of sussex open up about struggling to deal with the pressures of being in the spotlight. The biggest thing that i know is that i never thought this would be easy but i thought it would be fair. And coming up, angry scenes at stormont as members walk out of the First Assembly meeting for three years, paving the way for abortion and same sex marriage to become legal in Northern Ireland. Its five oclock our top story the speaker of the house of commons, john bercow, has ruled that mps cannot vote on the governments brexit deal today. Hes been forced to defend his decision, after a number of mps challenged his ruling. Downing street says the government is disappointed with the speakers ruling and that they would now prefer to go ahead with the introduction of the Withdrawal Agreement bill. Were expecting to hear the governments legislative plans for the week shortly but ahead of that lets just remind ourselves of the days key events. So the speaker has ruled out a vote on borisjohnsons brexit deal, saying the motion had already been brought before mps on saturday and that it would be repetitive and disorderly to debate it again. This weekend, mps nodded through an amended motion which withholds approval of the Prime Ministers deal until it has passed into law. The government will publish legislation this evening to implement its eu Withdrawal Agreement bill, which will be scrutinised by mps. The Withdrawal Agreement bill triggers the Legal Process of the uk leaving the eu. Earlier today, the court of session the highest court in scotland delayed a decision on whether the Prime Minister has fully complied with a law requiring him to ask for a brexit extension, known as the benn act. For more on todays events, heres our Political Correspondent, jessica parker. Once more into battle . People may feel like theyve been here before. Here is the man who gets to decide, the speaker, john bercow. Can the government have another go at getting mps to give a broad nod to its brexit deal . Enjoy your visit to the house. After efforts on saturday didnt quite go according to plan. Order. I wish to make a statement to the house. The verdict, no. Todays motion is, in substance, the same as saturdays, and the house has decided the matter. Todays circumstances are, in substance, the same as saturdays circumstances. My ruling is therefore that the motion will not be debated today as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so. Some welcomed the decision, saying the government is trying to browbeat parliament. Making certain that it votes again and again and again on the same thing until it gets it right. Surely, mr speaker, this is an important defence of freedom in our democracy. But others will openly question thejudgment. It is becoming remarkable how often you please one lot and not the other. So, frustration in some quarters. Earlier, this minister argued there was no time to lose. We just need to get on with this. I think many people across the country are just exhausted by this continuing delay. Meanwhile, ministers are introducing the legislation needed to actually turn the brexit deal into law, but expect skirmishes ahead over a possible deluge of amendments, as mps try to push forward their own ideas about what brexit should look like, whether it should even happen at all. I think you are likely to see an amendment seeking to put this whole deal back to the british people, because actually thats the way to get it done. You are likely to see an amendment saying that we should remain in a Customs Union, which would help to solve part of the problem on the border between gb and Northern Ireland. There is pressure to deliver on the deal, and some mps say they are not ready to ram through the legislation. This is a huge bill, likely to be 100 pages, and we all know rushed law is bad law, but this isntjust any old law, its the political rewiring of our country and it has to be done properly. More Political Drama looms tomorrow but some may feel that today was yet another damp squib. Lets go to the houses of parliament now and speak to our Political Correspondent chris mason. You got a real sense of the anger on both sides of the house . Yes, jeopardy postponed again really. We had afair jeopardy postponed again really. We had a fair dose of an on saturday then there was talk maybe today would for the big decision, yes or no, so called meaningful vote on the borisjohnson vision of brexit. The speaker said no. Thinks president suggests you should not be reaching a decision that has already been taking citing president dating back the best part of 400 years. Later this evening, the Withdrawal Agreement bill, the bit of legislation needed to make brexit happen, will be published on with it all sorts of documents about what it might look like. Mps will have a chance to read it but not long because tomorrow will be the so called second reading of the Withdrawal Agreement bill where mps in the chamber will be able to stand up in the chamber will be able to stand up and say their piece and at some stage quite possibly tomorrow, we may get a vote and a verdict from mps. And also a chance for plenty of mps. And also a chance for plenty of mps from the opposition or wherever to lay down amendments to try and shape of brexit any different way, to argue it shouldnt happen at all what you call for another referendum. Let me introduce you to the shadowjustice referendum. Let me introduce you to the shadow justice secretary. Referendum. Let me introduce you to the shadowjustice secretary. Your reflections on this afternoon and what the speaker has done . Some saying he was acting partially and he should have a right house expressed its well. I dont think it was a surprise to anybody. You correctly stated it is a precedent that goes back 400 years but it was back couple of months as well, in that Jacob Rees Mogg himself, leader of the house, welcomed this president being applied when it suited him a couple of months ago when they were trying to bring theresa mays deal back again and again. It is not a surprise to anyone. It looks like spoiled brats throwing their toys out of the pram because they have not got their own way, trying to bring the same vault the next, it is a bit of a joke. You have got to understand some you win, some you lose, they lost, lets move oii. Some you lose, they lost, lets move on. Lets talk about the next couple of days in the Withdrawal Agreement bill coming into the commons. Get details tonight and discuss it tomorrow. What you want to do as the labour party to amend it . You are favour of a Customs Union, a close relationship with the European Union, are you going to take an amendment to make that case . Lets see what we table once we look at the bell and have a discussion. We have always been supportive of a Customs Union with the European Union because you think that is key to trying to protect our economy, further improve it if we can and safeguard jobs and protect the future of prosperity after nine years of austerity. In practical terms, do you think it would be possible to amend the spell for a Customs Union, but ten to secure a majority . Bill. Potentially secure a majority . And argue that could be a change to the political declaration. In other words, the borisjohnson one declaration. In other words, the Boris Johnson one could declaration. In other words, the borisjohnson one could pass but the future vision of brexit would be different from his . As it stands we cannot support his deal. Lets see what amendments succeed. As you say, we got close to the Customs Union vote not too long ago, it wasnt because of labour votes that it didnt pass but other parties and independents not voting for it even though they support the idea of a Customs Union. As it stands, Boris Johnson deal explicitly takes out the requisite and required protections of workers rights and need just cantjettison protections of workers rights and need just cant jettison protection of workers rights as a labour movement. To come back to your words from a couple of minutes ago about the procedures in the commons, what about the argument that some of our viewers might be thinking, listening to our conversation, the some you win and some you lose and you guys lost the referendum, and it is time to stop slowing this process down. Lost the referendum, and it is time to stop slowing this process downlj understand the frustration but three years has passed. The campaign was led by people like borisjohnson saying no deal would not happen, people like borisjohnson imprisoning on the side of a bus false promises about a National Health service stop he says no deal doesnt have to happen because there isa doesnt have to happen because there is a deal. He says a lot of things, he even gave unlawful advice to the queen. I understand people pass frustration but that is why i say people should treat with caution borisjohnsons slogan, people should treat with caution Boris Johnsons slogan, get people should treat with caution borisjohnsons slogan, get brexit done. It would not be the end of the beginning because it would mean the start of all sorts of further tariffs and data sharing, incredible leave option and remain out two ways of getting that done and under a Labour Government we would like people describe which they want. With an insight into the debates to come and i guess, setting out of the reality that whatever happens tomorrow, in the next week, in the next month, this brexit conversation is going to rumble on. It may well just ramble on, you are right. Kevin connolly is in brussels for us. I understand donald tusk has begun ringing round the european leaders. He has. That will not be a quick process or a public process, it wont be dramatic but that is the way the european works. Donald tusk is the president of the European Council, the man who is a convenor for the leaders of the european states. He is the man who received Boris Johnsons letter, states. He is the man who received borisjohnsons letter, requesting an extension. He is the man who has to get some sort of consensus about what to do about it. Not surprisingly, that process is on the way but of course, he and the other european leaders are going to want to see what happens at westminster before the country to a decision. They need to know if they are being asked for an extension for a couple of days to allow paperwork to be filled in for a couple of months to allow the politics to play itself out. There is, of course, growing frustration in european capitals and brussels especially with the way this has played out. They are going to have to weigh very carefully how to have to weigh very carefully how to proceed because they want to get brexit done. The time when we had to say how much everyone regretted brexit here has gone, i think, and now they really want to get it done because they fear it is not done, it is going to drain Political Energy out of the european project in general. One slight fly in the ointment as far as timetabling goes is this idea that Emmanuel Macron might bea is this idea that Emmanuel Macron might be a way the week beginning the 28th of october. Who decides whether there is an extension . Did they have to reconvene the council . Do it by letter . That is a very good question. I think the answer is, as far as we understand it, if this was just a matter of days or weeks to allow legislation to be signed off, to allow the process to be completed at westminster, then you might be able to do that by written consultation, by a letter of agreement or by consultations involving the ambassadors of various European Countries here in brussels. That is something short and simple. Anything more practical or complicated or involving genuine questions ofjudgment complicated or involving genuine questions of judgment about whether it isa questions of judgment about whether it is a good idea to stretch this into next year and how far, you would have to get the leaders together. I the best thing about Emmanuel Macrons diary arrangements. I would Emmanuel Macrons diary arrangements. Iwould be Emmanuel Macrons diary arrangements. I would be amazed if time cannot be found for him to come here, if it was really critical, to getting the eus attitude towards brexit right. I think he would be here at some point in that week but that decision does have to be taken before the 31st of october because thatis before the 31st of october because that is the heart out of date and that is the heart out of date and that doesnt change unless and until they come to any decision. That is the hard out date. Im joined now by Bronwen Maddox whos the director of the institute for government. Does tamaras vote on the second meeting of the bill effectively become the fourth meaningful vote . It isa become the fourth meaningful vote . It is a different kind of thing and it is the beginning of a different process and it will test for the first time whether mps are going to try and put formal amendments to this piece of legislation. So the government wont see it that way . This is an entirely separate thing. Tell me what is in the Withdrawal Agreement bill, what is in it . Three quarters of it is the same as theresa mays deal but the other quarter is quite different. In summary, quarter is quite different. In summary, it makes for a less close relationship with the European Union. As we have heard emphatically over the past three days or so it is very different with Northern Ireland. It says Northern Ireland will remain effectively in the eu Customs Union and closely aligned to the Single Market and therefore, there has to be some kind of text in getting goods from the rest of uk over to Northern Ireland, and it provides consent, which is new from theresa mays deal, so that the Northern Ireland assembly would have to vote every four years as to whether these things would go through, that has been controversial. And what it does say about relations with the European Union, they are less close. In what it says about the Single Market and how it treats customs, those things are how it treats customs, those things a re less close how it treats customs, those things are less close though borisjohnson had to make one concession which is offering something of a level playing field, that the have a giant competition on regulations and standards. These are hugely complex pieces of legislation and that is why the mps need some time to be able to study this. But there are two parts to the Withdrawal Agreement, the legally binding bed. Which is called the Withdrawal Agreement. Exactly, and the future, the political declaration which is non legally binding. If the mps were to amend the political declaration i imagine the political declaration i imagine the government could live with that because they can change it at a future date. That is much easier for the government to cope with because it isa the government to cope with because it is a much shorter 5 page expression of intent about future relationships with the European Union. But the Withdrawal Agreement ta kes union. But the Withdrawal Agreement takes an International Treaty Withdrawal Agreement and writes that into uk legislation. Amendments to that give the government more trouble, especially on issues of the customer union. Supposing they managed to get a vote for a Customs Union into the Withdrawal Agreement pa rt union into the Withdrawal Agreement part of it, presumably that would mean the government would have to go back to brussels and renegotiate . Mean the government would have to go back to brussels and renegotiate . M depends on the wording very likely it would and that is something the government would be loath to do. They would pull it . I would not make any promises or firm predictions they would pull it . I would not make any promises orfirm predictions but there are several ways in which those supporting a Customs Union could try to write that in and what you have just described could try to write that in and what you havejust described is probably the most troublesome for the governme

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