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Voted to stop a no deal crashed out. Crash out. The european commissions chief spokesperson has urged the government to inform us about the next steps as soon as possible. Outside parliament, anti brexit demonstrators cheered as they heard about the delay. The peoples vote second Referendum Campaign have held a huge rally in Central London today. A warm welcome from westminster. Where the house of commons has been sitting on a saturday for the first time in nearly a0 years. Earlier this afternoon mps voted to delay their decision on borisjohnsons new brexit deal. This was expected to be the day that mps delivered their verdict on the deal agreed in brussels but instead borisjohnson must now write to the eu by 11 oclock tonight asking for a brexit extension beyond october 31st. The Prime Minister said he was not daunted by todays result and still planned to take the uk out of the eu by the end of the month. We start with our Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg on the day mps backed another delay to the brexit process. Before it was official, the moves in the middle, then the cheers on the right. Order . Showed borisjohnson was thwarted. The ayes to the right, 322. The noes to the left, 306. By a margin of 16, mps said not never to his deal, but not today, not yet. So the ayes have it. The ayes have it. Unlock he is now obliged by law to ask the eu for a delay, but hell kick and scream. I will tell our friends and colleagues in the eu exactly im on right now sorry im on right now i will tell our friends and colleagues in the eu exactly what i have told everyone in the last 88 days that i have served as Prime Minister, that further delay would be bad for this country, bad for our European Union, and bad for democracy. Warnings of big trouble, though, if he wants to frustrate the law. Today is an historic day for parliament, because it said it will not be blackmailed by a Prime Minister who is apparently prepared once again to defy a law passed by this parliament. I invite him to think very carefully about the remarks hejust made about refusing, apparently, to apply for the extension which the eu no. 2 act requires him to do. And any failure of a Prime Minister who thinks he is above the law, well, Prime Minister, youll find yourself in court. One way or another, this was always going to be a fraught and huge day. Not a queue for a saturday match, but for parliament. Would mstust rush headlong into more confusion . Or is itjust a chance for those sure of their position to give it again . Well, im going to vote against the deal, its very bad for the country. I will be supporting the Prime Minister. The tensions torn by the referendum in plain view, but many of them agonising, genuinely wondering what the best thing to do. Even stretching family ties. For the Prime Minister, though, only one aim to try to force this to a conclusion any way he could. Statement, the Prime Minister. Mr speaker, today this house has a historic opportunity to show the same breadth of vision as our european neighbours, the same ability and resolve to reach beyond past disagreements by getting brexit done. Decrying attempts by mps to postpone saying yes or no legally to the deal until all the laws that go along with it are also passed. Further delay is pointless, expensive and deeply corrosive of public trust. Labour, though, resistant notjust to the deal. This government cannot be trusted and these benches will not be duped. But denying, too, borisjohnson any chance to move forward. Labour is not prepared to sell out the communities that we represent. And we will not back this sell out deal. Just as the former Prime Minister found, though, there is a range of opposition parties who will rage against brexit. A deal that will see scotland shafted by this United Kingdom government. Today hundreds of thousands of people will be outside, demanding a final say in a peoples vote. How could plaid cymru ever support his billionaires brexit . This deal takes a wrecking ball to our social and environmental standards. And without his Northern Irish allies on board, the Prime Minister simply couldnt be sure of the numbers. Rather than a great deal, this will do a great deal of damage to the union. Look, though who was coming to help with a joke . Standing here i have a distinct sense of deja vu. Laughter i know how you feel. And a rebuke to those who voted against her now planning to do the same to borisjohnson. But remember, once upon a time, that included him. When this house voted overwhelmingly to give the choice of our membership the eu to the british people, did we really mean it . I think there can only be one answer to that and that is, yes, we did mean it, because if this parliament did not mean it, then it is guilty of the most egregious con trick on the british people. But theres a sprinkling of labour mps who want this done. We will be forced, even if a deal is approved, to seek an extension to the 31st of january, underlying that the sponsors of benn act had only one motivation, and that was to delay brexit and stop it. But its not over, not yet. 306. Crowds who want another referendum were delighted that the delay gives them a new chance to stop brexit, but frustration and nerves on the other side. But we were always clear it has to be brexit for the whole of the United Kingdom it cant be Northern Ireland left behind. Remain or leave, theyve just had enough. They want us to get this done and im astonished by the kind of anger thats beginning to boil up. For gods sake, get it done. So theyre turning their attention on parliament. The Prime Ministers allies today wanted it at least to be the beginning of the end, a conclusion. But look at this. Cabinet ministers protected by the police from anti brexit protesters on their way out. Chanting shame on you, shame on you theres nothing final about what has happened today. Animosity still all around. Our Political Correspondent jonathan blakejoins me now. We talk about some of the abuse anna soubry, who left the conservatives, has had from leavers up these barricades for months. But the shoe was on the other foot, we saw front bench ministers accosted by the peoples vote people. Yes, Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the house of Commons Jacob rees mogg, michael gove, they all went with a Police Escort making their way from Parliament Just escort making their way from parliamentjust along escort making their way from Parliament Just along the escort making their way from parliamentjust along the road he had to wherever they were going afterwards. It shows you just how high tempers are running at westminster. Things didnt turn violent but lots of verbal abuse was held at those ministers. Jacob rees mogg was with his son. Yes, and Andrea Leadsom tweeted how she found it terrifying and thanked the police. But another sign of how tempers have been raised at westminster and how high the tension is and the debate and the protest on either side arent going to go away. Lets talk about whats happened today, lets take a step back from it. The amendment so Oliver Letwin put down was supposed to create enough space for a proper discussion about the Withdrawal Agreement bill, the legislation which accompanies the legislation which accompanies the bill. He was worried that if you tried to rush that in the course of two weeks you might reopen the prospect of no deal. Thats right. The aim of the amendment, put forward by sir Oliver Letwin, was to ensure that the legislation to enact the brexit deal, put it into law technically, not just the brexit deal, put it into law technically, notjust giving it the rubber stamp, had a properairing. And was not able to fall any particular hurdle. Meaning the deal, there were approved by parliament, would it be put into place and the uk could leave the eu as the deadline stands without a deal. Others would say it is a attempt to delay and may be stopped brexit altogether. But that amendment passed. That means parliament has withheld its approval for Boris Johnsons deal, so now he legally needs to write a letter to the eu asking for an extension. 11 oclock is the deadline that he has to do that by. But we are also now looking ahead to next week when a whole series of other boats could happen which could be a rerun of todays procedure, potentially, or maybe ta ke procedure, potentially, or maybe take things further along the line. Other votes. Take things further along the line. Other votes. Theresa may said that those who supported the amendment who were doing itjust to delay things would be guilty of the most egregious con trick. Lots of anger on the conservative benches. They dont have a majority. If government was really fearful of no deal, it could just take back the order paper again and stop this process. They could have voted for the meaningful vote today without having to approve this amendment, is how some conservatives see it. Yes, they make that argument. Theresa may and other spoke in the chamber today saying this amendment was, although on the face of it and in the words of those who put it forward, specifically so Oliver Letwin, a defence mechanism, if you like. An extra safety net to avoid a no deal brexit. It was an opportunity for others who want to delay brexit indefinitely, maybe stop it altogether, maybe have another referendum on the deal, leave against remain, a rerun of the first one, effectively. And a chance for those in parliament to use it to their own ends. What is crucial is their own ends. What is crucial is the amount of people who said they voted for the Oliver Letwin amendment, but also said they would be prepared to vote for Boris Johnsons dealfurther be prepared to vote for Boris Johnsons deal further down the line once this extra safeguard was put in place. If you look at those numbers it might be enough to swing things for the Prime Minister next time around. All to play for next week. Thank you for the moment. You can bet downing street will be looking at those numbers thinking which of these can we swing over to our side to get things across the line. Earlier i spoke to our europe correspondent, kevin connolly, and i asked him what the reaction has been in brussels. What happened in westminster today is pretty difficult news for brussels to react to, really. From the brussels perspective it feels like a bit of an obscure parliamentary manoeuvring, so everybody is expecting a big, clear decisive day today, but they didnt get that, so now they wait until next week. If and when i letter comes from Boris Johnson next week. If and when i letter comes from borisjohnson requesting an extension as the law requires, dont expect the brussels town crier to be out on the balcony reading out the eus response. Theyll take it very quietly. Theyll take their time over it. Because the hope very much here in brussels remains that somehow the Withdrawal Agreement will survive and well get through parliament. They dont want to renegotiate it, they dont want the uk to leave without a deal. They would prefer not to have an extension. But if it came to it, they would certainly grant an extension rather than see the uk leave the eu with no deal. They are going to keep things open and like everybody else wait to see what happens in westminster. We are reading that the french president and Boris Johnson have reading that the french president and borisjohnson have spoken this evening. Emmanuel macron said they needed some clarity from the uk as quickly as possible. No decisions taken in quickly as possible. No decisions ta ken in brussels quickly as possible. No decisions taken in brussels get an no letter sent yet. We are looking out for that letter. The Prime Minister has descended by iipm that letter. The Prime Minister has descended by pm this evening. Joining me now is senior lecturer in uk public eu law, drjoelle grogan. Nice to see you. Lets talk about this letter. And what it actually asked for. Under the terms of the benn act there would be an extension until the 31st of january. The benn act there would be an extension until the 31st ofjanuary. The benn act quite explicitly says a word for word what must be in that letter. It isa word what must be in that letter. It is a request of the European Council, thats the heads of all of the heads of government of the Member States of the eu, for an extension until the 31st of january 2020. Thats now an obligation in law. Boris johnson 2020. Thats now an obligation in law. Borisjohnson must send this letter or he risks breaking the law. If you put Something Else in that letter, does he break the law . Anything that is not following the intention of the act is to frustrate the act. I am sure all public lawyers from their first year in law school will say that is unlawful. You cannot frustrate the intention ofan you cannot frustrate the intention of an act. If he did that or he sent a second letter, it is important to say that he would be in contempt of court. The government has given an assurance to the court in scotland that he will send the letter. We will see on monday. They are waiting to see what would happen today. We might seea to see what would happen today. We might see a court order on monday coming down from edinburgh saying, you must follow the law. This is important because if you breach an order, breach a mandatory order of court, there can be criminal sanctions. We will wait to see what happens with that. Lets talk about monday across the road. Today the motion itself, the meaningful vote for, there wasnt a vote on it, it was postponed, lets say, the Prime Minister would say forced to abandon, but lets call it postpone, there wasnt a vote on it. Does that mean they can hold a vote on monday . If you think back to theresa may, when you brought the same deal back, the speaker stopped her from when you brought the same deal back, the speaker stopped herfrom doing that, from having a vote on the same deal. Exactly. This will be up to the speaker but one of the key questions will be, are you asking the same question of the house of commons over and over again . But strictly speaking they did not vote on it. Thats true and itll be up to the speaker. Whats going to be more certain in this is the Withdrawal Agreement bill, that piece of legislation needed to bring the Withdrawal Agreement into uk law. This is a mammoth piece of legislation. This will have huge constitutional social political effects. And we only have nine days to get it through the house of commons and the house of lords to become legislation before the 31st of october without an extension being given. Boris johnson says where there is a will there is a way oi where there is a will there is a way or words to that effect, but lets ta ke or words to that effect, but lets take a look at the Withdrawal Agreement and remind people at home what is in it chuckles because it deals with so many different elements of our lives, how thejudges act with different elements of our lives, how the judges act with the European Court ofjustice, citizens rights, it gives power to ministers to send money to brussels as part of this divorce bill, on and on. |j money to brussels as part of this divorce bill, on and on. I am trying to think of something more dramatic than a mammoth bill. But, yes, it gives a huge amount of power to the government. It places a huge amount of power into the continuation of eu laws as it stands, as we have it right now. But more importantly, it places an important status on the Withdrawal Agreement in british law. It isa Withdrawal Agreement in british law. It is a huge piece of legislation. If we look back at something, the withdrawal talks in 2017, it took 36 days, which we dont have between 110w days, which we dont have between now and the 31st of october. In effect, we are talking about the sub headings. We dont know what is in it because we havent seen it. Three yea rs have it because we havent seen it. Three years have gone by and we still havent seen the Withdrawal Agreement bill. Exactly. We had two days to see the Northern Ireland protocol and the modified Withdrawal Agreement. But we have not yet seen what is going to be the biggest piece of legislation, the biggest change to our legal system with only nine days to go in the sitting time. We should also say, when we are thinking about, do we need this extra time. If the deal was approved, that there will be all sorts of amendments put to it, wont there . Once you put a bill on the floor the house of commons will want to put their amendments forward. The house of lords will want to put their amendments forward. We could be talking months. Potentially, as you describe, we could see parliamentary ping pong where things move quickly between the h

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