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To get brexit done and get this excellent deal over. The dup arent the only ones not in favour of the, labour say they wont be backing it either. As it stands, we cannot support this deal and will oppose it and parliament on saturday. And with two weeks to go until the uks official departure date the eu says theres no reason for any further delays. Also on the programme. High stakes diplomacy in ankara. The us Vice President announces a deal has been reached with president erdogan for a brief ceasefire in northern syria. Hes the key witness the impeachment inquiry wants to hear from. Today Gordon Sondland answers questions about pressure for ukraine to investigate joe biden. Welcome. Michelle is in washington. Im Christian Fraser here in brussels. The deal with the eu is done. Boris johnson has managed to get an agreement, something many of us thought was impossible. The eu did move, contrary to its own assertions, and to those of many experts and, dare i say it, journalists. But to get there he has had to make some quite severe concessions, ones that he had suggested were unthinkable more detail on what those were in a minute. And now the battle turns to parliament. It all hangs on saturday or what some are calling supersaturday. When the Prime Minister will try and get his deal through parliament. For all the sense of crisis in recent months with prorogation, the suspensions of tory mps, a lost Supreme Court case, all that is history right now. Brexit now simply comes down to the numbers in the commons. The Prime Minister seemed pretty confident that the deal would get through at the weekend. I think that there is a very good case for mps across the house to express the will of the people as we pledged many times to do and get brexit done and as i repeat again, i dont think there is any case for a delay. We should get on and get it done by october the 31st. The Prime Minister wants to make that key parliamentary vote a simple choice this deal or no deal. The europeans were trying to help him out on the front, with Jean Claude Juncker seeming to support that binary choice. We dont think that it is possible to give another prorogation. Iam speaking sorry. You were saying . Clearly its been a long week. Its worth adding of course that its actually up to the europe 27 whether or not to grant that extension. Speaking at a press conference this afternoon, president of the European Council, donald tusk, struck a more poignant note, reminding the british that there would always be a home for them in europe, should they ever change their minds. What i feel today is, frankly speaking, sadness. Because in my heart, i will always be a remainer and i hope that our british friends decide to return one day. Our door is always open. So whats in the deal . Most of it is the same as the one agreed by theresa may last year. The uk will continue to stick by eu rules until the end of 2020, and possibly longer, to allow businesses to adjust. This is whats known as the transition period. The uk will still pay an estimated 39 billion pound divorce bill to the eu to settle its financial obligations. The rights of eu citizens living in the uk, and uk citizens in the eu, will be guaranteed. And then there are the changes most of them around Northern Ireland, which will be aligned to the eus Single Market. The controversial backstop plan to avoid a hard border between ireland and Northern Ireland has been removed. Northern ireland will instead remain a part of the uks customs territory. This means the uk will be able to strike trade deals with other countries in the future. There will be a legal Customs Border between Northern Ireland and the republic of ireland, which stays in the eu and therefore remains part of its Customs Union. But in practice the Customs Border will be between Great Britain and the island of ireland, with goods being checked at points of entry in Northern Ireland. If products are to remain in Northern Ireland then no tariffs will be due. If items are destined for across the border in the republic and would therefore be entering the wider eu market then tariffs are due. A joint eu uk committee will monitor this and the uk will collect tariffs on behalf of the eu. The Northern Ireland assembly, or stormont as it is also known, will get a vote every four years on whether to continue with the new trading arrangements. The decision would be based on a simple majority without the right to veto demanded by the democratic unionist party. Why does the dup matter . The partys support is seen as crucial if the deal is to pass in parliament before the 31st of october deadline and theyre not happy with the latest developments. In a statement they said these proposals are not, in our view, in a statement they said. They added that. I hope all of that gives you a starter for ten i hope all of that gives you a starterfor ten on where i hope all of that gives you a starter for ten on where we are. With me now is our europe editor katya adler. After a ll after all of the ups and downs. I really expected we would be going late into the night. Yet things were done pretty early this morning. Who can see that most . I think i gave the inference that it was Boris Johnson earlier. Is that true . You talked about the eu giving things you said it never would. I think we gave that. Lesson, both sides gave something. We look at the bigger picture, a week ago we said this would never happen. What change . Borisjohnson would never happen. What change . Boris johnson chang. He would never happen. What change . Borisjohnson chang. He seemed to suddenly have come to the conclusion that it suddenly have come to the conclusion thatitis suddenly have come to the conclusion that it is notjust about being seen to negotiate our negotiating but not breaking any red lines, but he needed a deal. In order to try to stop asking for a new brexit extension which he said he will never do. So, he started making the red go pink and some of them pretty much disappeared. So this idea of 0k come and Northern Ireland will remain part of the uk customs territory come after brexit, legally, but in practice, it will be in there with the eu customs code and regulations as well and this is and regulations as well and this is a separation that borisjohnson said that he would never counter had. The eu as also conceded. Dont you remember that after Theresa Mays Brexit bill was turned down by the house of commons three times, Boris Johnson said he wanted to renegotiate. We will never renegotiate. We will never renegotiate it said this will draw every government. But they have reopened that and rewriting parts of it, and they have looked again at this idea of Northern Ireland, and also they are giving a voice to stormont, the power sharing assembly and Northern Ireland as well. The eu has moved but the bottom line . Everybody can say they kept it. For the eu, when it comes to Northern Ireland, they wanted to say they would safeguard the Single Market on the island and safeguard the Northern Ireland peace treaty and thatis Northern Ireland peace treaty and that is what they have done. And for borisjohnson, he that is what they have done. And for Boris Johnson, he is that is what they have done. And for borisjohnson, he is able to say Northern Ireland will leave the Eu Customs Union after brexit. But there have been big concessions. Lets also put some context around what i said ofjean claudejuncker, it seemed to give this rather. He was picked up that maybe he was going to grant an extension if this wasnt bo voted to on saturday but a lot of people say that is not the case. What do you think the true situation is with regards to an extension . Two situations. One thing that he said it one thing i think what will happen, asJean Claude Juncker spoke to a number of genderless and different ways about an extension, and one of them he was very clear he said no there will be no extension. But that is not had dissension. A journalist. That is made by the eu national leaders, the 27 leaders in their it is not Jean Claude Juncker his to 27 leaders in their it is not jean claudejuncker his to make lots of it is all of their interest to make focused on mps to why all of them have been very coy today about them have been very coy today about the idea of an extension because they dont want the house or commerce to get the feeling this could just go on forever and have loads of extensions. These leaders are fed up as so many of our viewers in the United Kingdom whojust are fed up as so many of our viewers in the United Kingdom who just say we had enough of the Brexit Process. But all this time alone, the eu wa nted but all this time alone, the eu wanted to avoid a no deal but do not imagine that at this stage, come this end of the month, the ego says no extension for some if the house of commons of boats down this second brexit deal as they did with theresa may come and we believe that as a way for you leaders, there is a chance there could be a general election and a second referendum or a referendum on the deal, these leaders are not going to say no. However coy they may want to appear. No deal is definitely worse case scenario. Get to see you. Thank you. Do you get to sleep now . |j scenario. Get to see you. Thank you. Do you get to sleep now . I am com pletely do you get to sleep now . I am completely awake. Get to have you with us. The drama has been where you are. But now it is shifting to westminster. Joining us now from the central lobby in the palace of westminster is our chief political correspondent, vicki young. Some good news for the Prime Minister vicki in the shape of some of the 21 tory rebels the mps who left the party over its no deal policy saying they will vote for the deak. Not all of them. What all of these cases, it is not one group, one defined group of mps acting one way. I spoke to several of them today. They have had briefings from downing street and many of them say they are willing to back a deal, do not forget m ost willing to back a deal, do not forget most of them back theresa may three times, they will continue to do so because what they are worried about is a no deal scenario. However, it is not all of them. There will be some who are pushing for another referendum, at least three of them will not affect the deal and there are others who are just extremely upset about the way this is been handled. They didnt leave the tory party, they were thrown out for defying the government because they want to stop no deal. One of them said the government has a lot of work to do with them. And that is not the only group. The dup as well. A lot of tories to think they cannot get this over the line. I cannot get this deal back and they dont have the dup. Talks are still going on there andi dup. Talks are still going on there and i think when everybody can say is unlike when theresa may brought her deal to the house of commons, everybody knew she was going to lose, just a matter how much it by force of that is not the case now. I saw a minister who said we are really close. They are banking on a number of labour mps backing this deal on saturday. Anybody listening to that would be rightly biting their fingernails. To that would be rightly biting theirfingernails. Yeah to that would be rightly biting their fingernails. Yeah i just to that would be rightly biting theirfingernails. Yeah ijust watch borisjohnson here theirfingernails. Yeah ijust watch Boris Johnson here in theirfingernails. Yeah ijust watch borisjohnson here in the last hour beaming hugely optimistic that he will get this deal to do. Why . Why does he think that what will have and saturday he went both ways . He went both ways. I think the point is that people in downing street have said for months that Boris Johnson is an optimist, and they think people do get swept along with that, a lot of the time people next to him have been much more fearful about getting a deal, now course it will be pretty happy at the moment, people said he couldnt get the Withdrawal Agreement reopened, they said he couldnt get any changes to the backstop, though things have been achieved. Rather than this person gunning for no deal, he can stand there and say look, i have got a deal, and this is parliaments lasse jensen that a deal, and this is parliaments lassejensen that is how downing street are selling this, saying here is on saturday a very clear path for parliament after three and half yea Rs Parliament after three and half years to vote for a deal. Parliaments last years to vote for a deal. Pa rliaments last chance. Years to vote for a deal. Parliaments last chance. And may be lead by october 31. The other path is with the branches and you dont know where that is going to go forth of that is what they have been saying to other mps and what they saying to other mps and what they say to labour mps is low, we can offer you things including employment rights, expecting something on that soon to try and persuade them again, the labour mps and brexit every guest to come across and finally get this over the line. It is not there yet of course. Still conservatives who have deep reservations about all of this. But do not forget the difference it is the message that comes down foster sigh when previous minister who resigned over theresa may deal saying the differences it is Boris Johnson, it is the Vote Leave Team now who have negotiated this is the mess we are going to get. The best we are going to get. Thank you, vicki. With me now is rtes europe editor, tony connolly. Have you spoke to the irish team . Yes. A few times. I think they are related to but you can hear from that News Conference earlier that ireland give his fall throated endorsement of this deal and in turn, the European Council and eu leaders have taken their lead from ireland and there was notable that donatella said that nobody wanted to put ireland and the pressure. This is clear evidence that compromise has been made. Notable that donald tusk said. Something in a chemistry between borisjohnson and the Lilley Leo Varadkar that seem to work in the past few weeks that shifted the dial and brought about a compromise that seems to have managed to reconcile all of these and reconcilable things. What about the dup . We heard from nigel dodds tonight, he says johnson the dup . We heard from nigel dodds tonight, he sastohnson has given way too much and we cannot support this in the reason he gave so much was the bent act, which demands an extension. It meant that he had no option. Because of the bent act. Is that true . It certainly meant that the eu had less to lose if things didnt go well this week. They could have afforded to let this run for they could have afforded to let this runfora they could have afforded to let this run for a week or two but if you look at the parameters of what has shaped the Brexit Process the past three years, we are talking about the same issues, how do you avoid the same issues, how do you avoid the hard water on the island of ireland when the uk has the Customs Union. The hard embroidery. If it was in this deal, it would be something similar to theresa mays tale. This happens to be a merger both and i think a key moment was that when Boris Johnson both and i think a key moment was that when borisjohnson realised that when borisjohnson realised that his initial proposals which would have have partial alignments on agriculturalfood would have have partial alignments on agricultural food product was still a custom board on the island of ireland, and i do a lot of hostility not just from of ireland, and i do a lot of hostility notjust from ireland but other member states. And i think he realised he was going to have to ta ke realised he was going to have to take a stride towards the eu side and have that customs arrangement on the i received, but heavily mitigated by exemptions and facilitation. Consent with a huge issue, a consent mechanism for Northern Ireland. Important for all parties in smaller parties as well, but just a focus parties in smaller parties as well, butjust a focus on the dup because a lot of people say why did they dig them so hard, from their perspective, this goes right to the heart of unionism . The fear that the pool will be towards europe and away from Great Britain. That is always meant the dup position fossum and also the average government when the backstop initially took shape, to resent say no apartment minister could accept this and a shot as a constitutional threat. Theresa may said no Prime Minister can accept this. Nothing in this that threatens the integrity of Northern Ireland. It is simply a pragmatic way to manage customs checks

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