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That the eu actually proposed two years ago which is a border on the irish sea. We do not know the details, the eu is interested and one thing whether it works or not and whether controls and checks take place and now the irony is that as pa rt place and now the irony is that as part of what theresa mays proposal was about. Well see whether there isa was about. Well see whether there is a deal, probably, hopefully in a few days during the summit and then the dup has been quite silent, usually they reject it straightaway. They did not do that so that is saturday the mother of all battles at the house of commons, next saturday. But of course the opposition, labour could say we will attach it with a vote for a second referendum. On that question of what happens at westminster, as it descends amongst those who are in favour of leaving the eu that actually what is changed is not only the personalities but also the timing and now because the deadline is no one seems to want to go through beyond october 31 because a practicalities, selling out the conservatives because of the threat from the brexit party who say they are all traitorous and potentially contribute to the defeat and a general election, many people in the conservative party would not abort the deal six month ago might buy it 110w. The deal six month ago might buy it now. What struck me about this is that journalists are often called deadline bandits, we work to the deadline bandits, we work to the deadline and it seems that now we have deadline bandits amongst the politicians, the bureaucrats and in some ways it makes me furious. We have all been enduring this force along and now as you were just saying we may end up with something that theresa may was talking about quite some time ago. Imagine how she feels. It is not so dissimilar from one she had rejected. Absolutely, but the house of commons has become more complicated, we have independent conservatives, defectors, it will be interesting to see borisjohnson defectors, it will be interesting to see Boris Johnson can defectors, it will be interesting to see borisjohnson can get defectors, it will be interesting to see Boris Johnson can get this through. There have been some suggestions that there are 23 labour mps have been indicating to brussels they may well go for signing up to they may well go for signing up to the deal. Even without the dup there isa the deal. Even without the dup there is a possibility for borisjohnson. Provided he gets a deal which we still do not know because we havent even entered the tunnel. The tanner is the idea the tunnel is the idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching media. Idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching medial idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching media. I was on the show and i did predict that borisjohnson would the show and i did predict that Boris Johnson would essentially move a couple of semicolons on her withdrawal agreement, claim the credit and go to the country and get a big victory and a general election which i still think is what he plans to do. There are still a lot to be done and 21 former conservative mps still in the house of commons and you have the faction in the labour party that feel we have to honour the vote of three years ago. All of that can happen but we have always and talking about it on this programme forgotten there are 27 other countries on the other side of the English Channel and you have to ta ke the English Channel and you have to take into account how they will view these changes. I agree with catherine, i think was like positive and constructive are terms coming out of the entire brexit saga but that was always going to be predictable because we are so close to crucial deadlines and of course whatever they are thinking or doing they have to at least understand they have to at least understand they are locked into intensive discussions. Despite another hope 11th hour hope the realistic prospect is a further delay which will allow time for a much more dramatic episodes and speculation. Before yet another spurious deadline. A final word if i may, what this really shows is brexit is not a destination but an ongoing journey and it has become shorthand for britains ongoing discussions with its trading neighbours. 20 yea rs with its trading neighbours. 20 years ago they said much the same about devolution and we are still on that front. This weekend, the uks anglicans willjoin the celebrations as a former anglican is canonised by the pope. John, later cardinal, newman tried to turn the clock back in the church of england, restoring some of the beliefs and rituals which had existed before the english reformation and the split with rome. Eventually, he converted instead. Pope francis will preside, at a time when the Catholic Church is considering turning back the clock many centuries, to the days before priests were required to be unmarried and celibate. In terms of what he put this up to, what the pope is up to this is the strictly observing catholic tradition, the miracles that have to be recognised and approved before he could be made a saint. Why is pope francis so willing to confront the traditionalists of the question of married priests . One thing i would point it about Cardinal Newman is that he was somebody who actually said he would drink to conscience first and the pope second. He was a great advocate of conscious being important. Perhaps pope francis is thinking about what his consciousness telling him. We have had this great gathering in rome in recent days are people from the amazon, the synod of the amazon talking about the issues that affect the people of the amazon basin. One of those things is the environment, pope francis is very passionate about the state of gods creation and the impact of Climate Change but the people of the amazon live great distances from priests. They need priests and there was a consultation before this gathering of bishops from the amazon to ask people what they wanted and they said we need more priests, therefore we need married men to be priests. So this has been put on the agenda. It is interesting because pope francis is listening to what they are saying, asking the bishops to discuss it and they seem to be indicating that they think it is a good thing as well. The vatican loves bumf, reports and paperwork so there has been a report before this synod coming out of the people of the amazon, the bishops will then produce a report, pope francis will read it and timo produced something and it may well say people of the amazon can have married priests. Within be a trojan horse, opening up the whole question for the rest of the church question mark can you isolate it . You can isolate it in different ways, you can have a bishops eye i want this married man to become a priest, you can have a region say we want our region to have him at the pub can say yes. You can do it in different ways. And the pope cancer yes. I know there is resistance. That is a strong ever since francis ascended to the papacy, a strong contingent of ultra conservatives and they have broken cover. Steve allan is a leader and a behind the scenes convener leader and a behind the scenes convener of the global first world anti francis group. I note with some ivy anti francis group. I note with some joy his attempt to start a right wing catholic place just south of rome, they have been thrown out. The Italian Government essentially threw them out this week. That is good. On the other hand as someone who is not party to all this, going back deep into the history of the church, i have been reading the new book by tom holland, dominion about the history of christianity in the west, the idea of celibacy as an add on, it seems not directed by the heavens but one that is deeply mundane, it was a necessary political manoeuvre at the end of the roman period, the beginning of the roman period, the beginning of the middle ages and why not if the processes of the church have been one of constant reinvention and reformation then why not a reformation that can bring a non celibate clergy back to the four. And women. Married when why not women . I cannot put to be a Roman Catholic theologian but i have heard there are references to the first pope peter having been married. That may have been a reasonable president and traditionalists are of course furious as you would expect but with a numberof furious as you would expect but with a number of priests right down they have to do something and in many ways pope francis as being an innovator and the slick henry newman in bringing this very controversial issue to the four. The Catholic Church is in terrible crisis, probably the worst it has known since the inquisition. In the world we live and it is not only about the end of celibacy for priests and nuns, but also the status of divorces. If the Catholic Church wa nts to divorces. If the Catholic Church wants to have any future edge needs to live in that the time it lives m, to live in that the time it lives in, that is to say priests need to be able to marry, like the anglicans. And he is thinking about the future as well, because last weekend he got to the stage when he appointed enough cardinals that they will ultimately choose his successor. It is one of the thing popes do, the appointment to the couege popes do, the appointment to the college of cardinals who enter the conclave to elect the next pope. It is also the current pope tries to shape this and ensure his legacy but of course john paul ii and put benedict tried to ship the college of cardinals and they were very different popes to francis, who elected pope francis does not necessarily work that way. This is a church that is usually important to so church that is usually important to so many people who are practising catholics and has huge political influence for those who are not, but also a church with many, you think of the south american and african church, quite different in terms of output. It is interesting mention africa and other parts of the world because at one time the Catholic Church was very much a European Church and something that pope francis has focused on is the fact it is in decline and you look, it is growing in other parts of the world and being from latin america himself thatis and being from latin america himself that is clearly something that has been his focus. In washington its been a case of donald duck as the flak flies in the impeachment inquiry. The us president was bombarded by fellow republicans, too, after he abruptly announced he was bringing home us troops from northern syria. You dont have to be a cynic to think the timing might be connected with President Trumps troubles at home which had been its also a Recep Tayyip Erdogan pleasing move. Turkeys president has long wanted to create what he calls a safe zone a place to deposit the hundreds of thousands of refugees his country has been hosting and by the way, to push syrias kurds away from his border. To president erdogan, kurds, almost without exception, are trouble potential allies for turkeys own restive minority. This weekend President Trump are saying he would be more than happy to negotiate a ceasefire between turkey and the syrian kurds, that is a case of trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. The overnight news was, the idea was the kurds and North Eastern syria had been instrumental in pushing isis back, 10,000 lives lost and many more casualties. Embedded with them when 50 to 100 american observers, special forces and what did last week which initiated the whole sequence week which initiated the whole sequence of chaos as he had a long phone call with erdogan who has been trying to get in there for more than a yearand in trying to get in there for more than a year and in his wayjust willy nilly put out a tweet saying i am withdrawing all american troops. He had not consulted with anyone on his National Security team, the defence department, and i dont even consulted with the secretary of state to whom he is relatively close. Instant chaos because the meaning of this was to give a green light for erdogan to finally do this thing, he has been threatening to do for a long time which as i have been to the border many times, it is a beautiful green fertile plain that ru ns beautiful green fertile plain that runs between and you could hardly know there is a border between turkey and syria except that every half a kilometre that is a watchtower for the turkish army and they have been there for decades. He does this and within 72 hours just as you would expect the turkish army goes into North Eastern syria, they have always regarded the syrian kurds is an extension of the turkish kurds is an extension of the turkish kurds with him they have been fighting an insurgency for independence for decades. Involved in domestic terrorism. Then you have the basic sequence but he never spoke to the department of defence as of these american observers were still there and yesterday they were shown. Luckily. A nato country essentially put another under the bombardment. Luckily no one was injured but in war things happen. If something were to happen i think we would be in at this level higher power but of chaos. At the lower level anyone who pays attention to this nose that many isis fighters have been imprisoned, guarded by the very kurds that erdogan is now fighting and within a dayjob breaks and so you have the prospect of a renewed isis Islamic State insurgency. This is not a stable pa rt insurgency. This is not a stable part of the world anyway but at the moment with what is happening the protest a nd moment with what is happening the protest and a rock with concerns about iran, adding another element of potential chaos, presumably has the risk of a much wider reverberation. I think what nobody should be underestimating in all this is the devastating implication that this could have notjust this is the devastating implication that this could have not just for the middle east but globally. Turkey is escalating offensive on syria could lead to a further displacement of 300,000 people for example all at a time when america and European Countries are showing absolute relu cta nce countries are showing absolute reluctance to admit more refugees, the turkish president erdogan is also speaking about creating a safe zone for refugees in the north east of syria. But there is nowhere the chances of anyone being safe are next to zero especially of the conflict escalates. There i say meanwhile you have the Un Refugee Agency who is quite rightly saying that further conflict would lead to leisure monetary aid being delivered and the possibility of having isis having a resurgence and remember that this monstrous movement was one of the consequences of conflict such as iraq so if we allow such was to go on indefinitely than violent groups will take advantage of the chaos. This is clearly something of concern to europeans as well, how do they try and influence what is happening given the us decision has been made . If only europe had an army. But that was always fought by britain but anyway i think we all felt so sick this week and i do not know a single kurds, you dont need to have gone to the middle east to know how valiant and brave they have been, fought like lions for us and for the whole world, defeating and waging that war and that is how we thank them and this isjust absolutely disgusting. We are all hostages of trump who with just the flick of a twitter finger does this and it is so wrong on so many levels because apart from the fact do not abandon and betray them in that way, lets be pragmatic, you have isis fighters who are in jail plus the families, 70,000 people who are going to escape any next few days are going to go back to their home countries in europe so it is creating and that saves zone he is talking about a death corner. That is something we and the americans should worry about. And europe looks again quite powerless and that is of course another element. Only between 50 and 100 us troops, they cannot really and even then as advisers, when the really holding back a tide in that sense . Their presence because the United States is slowly exceeding its leadership in the world under donald trump. Which is quite remarkable, stepping back and i had to step back to far from people i know in that region but it seems that the sequence of this event is about providing russia, iran and turkey leadership and trying to solve the Syrian Crisis civil war, for another war. They will not use the same standards of conflict resolution that the us which was not having up to 100 advisers kept turkey from doing this, that is why immediately trump tweeted this, everyone in washington who followed this through up their hands who say it is only 50 100 people, only a couple of thousand us troops in syria so that is nothing but it is their presence because it is america and when you step back and suddenly having american troops there at some point in the future will not be that kind of safeguard for people who need a safeguard. One thing that strikes me that i thought about a moment ago is the way in which the Kurdish People always seem to be the victims and the problem as they are stateless and we have had this problem for such a long time. There was that moment in the 90s when something was done to help the Kurdish People and we had the safe haven to protect them from saddam but this shows really have got to think again, the un has to think again about the plight of the people of kurdistan and something needs to done to recognise the situation. They are caught in the crossfire. |j wa nt they are caught in the crossfire. wa nt to they are caught in the crossfire. want to ask you a kind of related point about stability across the region and how much people are prepared to put up with. We have a ready scene the street protests and iraq, isaw ready scene the street protests and iraq, i saw a statistic which surprised me which was that poverty and egypt now claims a bigger proportion of the population than before the arab spring, signs of discontent in other countries. Could be reaching a moment where that once again leads to some a Boris Johnson<\/a> can defectors, it will be interesting to see borisjohnson can get defectors, it will be interesting to see Boris Johnson<\/a> can get this through. There have been some suggestions that there are 23 labour mps have been indicating to brussels they may well go for signing up to they may well go for signing up to the deal. Even without the dup there isa the deal. Even without the dup there is a possibility for borisjohnson. Provided he gets a deal which we still do not know because we havent even entered the tunnel. The tanner is the idea the tunnel is the idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching media. Idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching medial idea of isolating the negotiators from the watching media. I was on the show and i did predict that borisjohnson would the show and i did predict that Boris Johnson<\/a> would essentially move a couple of semicolons on her withdrawal agreement, claim the credit and go to the country and get a big victory and a general election which i still think is what he plans to do. There are still a lot to be done and 21 former conservative mps still in the house of commons and you have the faction in the labour party that feel we have to honour the vote of three years ago. All of that can happen but we have always and talking about it on this programme forgotten there are 27 other countries on the other side of the English Channel<\/a> and you have to ta ke the English Channel<\/a> and you have to take into account how they will view these changes. I agree with catherine, i think was like positive and constructive are terms coming out of the entire brexit saga but that was always going to be predictable because we are so close to crucial deadlines and of course whatever they are thinking or doing they have to at least understand they have to at least understand they are locked into intensive discussions. Despite another hope 11th hour hope the realistic prospect is a further delay which will allow time for a much more dramatic episodes and speculation. Before yet another spurious deadline. A final word if i may, what this really shows is brexit is not a destination but an ongoing journey and it has become shorthand for britains ongoing discussions with its trading neighbours. 20 yea rs with its trading neighbours. 20 years ago they said much the same about devolution and we are still on that front. This weekend, the uks anglicans willjoin the celebrations as a former anglican is canonised by the pope. John, later cardinal, newman tried to turn the clock back in the church of england, restoring some of the beliefs and rituals which had existed before the english reformation and the split with rome. Eventually, he converted instead. Pope francis will preside, at a time when the Catholic Church<\/a> is considering turning back the clock many centuries, to the days before priests were required to be unmarried and celibate. In terms of what he put this up to, what the pope is up to this is the strictly observing catholic tradition, the miracles that have to be recognised and approved before he could be made a saint. Why is pope francis so willing to confront the traditionalists of the question of married priests . One thing i would point it about Cardinal Newman<\/a> is that he was somebody who actually said he would drink to conscience first and the pope second. He was a great advocate of conscious being important. Perhaps pope francis is thinking about what his consciousness telling him. We have had this great gathering in rome in recent days are people from the amazon, the synod of the amazon talking about the issues that affect the people of the amazon basin. One of those things is the environment, pope francis is very passionate about the state of gods creation and the impact of Climate Change<\/a> but the people of the amazon live great distances from priests. They need priests and there was a consultation before this gathering of bishops from the amazon to ask people what they wanted and they said we need more priests, therefore we need married men to be priests. So this has been put on the agenda. It is interesting because pope francis is listening to what they are saying, asking the bishops to discuss it and they seem to be indicating that they think it is a good thing as well. The vatican loves bumf, reports and paperwork so there has been a report before this synod coming out of the people of the amazon, the bishops will then produce a report, pope francis will read it and timo produced something and it may well say people of the amazon can have married priests. Within be a trojan horse, opening up the whole question for the rest of the church question mark can you isolate it . You can isolate it in different ways, you can have a bishops eye i want this married man to become a priest, you can have a region say we want our region to have him at the pub can say yes. You can do it in different ways. And the pope cancer yes. I know there is resistance. That is a strong ever since francis ascended to the papacy, a strong contingent of ultra conservatives and they have broken cover. Steve allan is a leader and a behind the scenes convener leader and a behind the scenes convener of the global first world anti francis group. I note with some ivy anti francis group. I note with some joy his attempt to start a right wing catholic place just south of rome, they have been thrown out. The Italian Government<\/a> essentially threw them out this week. That is good. On the other hand as someone who is not party to all this, going back deep into the history of the church, i have been reading the new book by tom holland, dominion about the history of christianity in the west, the idea of celibacy as an add on, it seems not directed by the heavens but one that is deeply mundane, it was a necessary political manoeuvre at the end of the roman period, the beginning of the roman period, the beginning of the middle ages and why not if the processes of the church have been one of constant reinvention and reformation then why not a reformation that can bring a non celibate clergy back to the four. And women. Married when why not women . I cannot put to be a Roman Catholic<\/a> theologian but i have heard there are references to the first pope peter having been married. That may have been a reasonable president and traditionalists are of course furious as you would expect but with a numberof furious as you would expect but with a number of priests right down they have to do something and in many ways pope francis as being an innovator and the slick henry newman in bringing this very controversial issue to the four. The Catholic Church<\/a> is in terrible crisis, probably the worst it has known since the inquisition. In the world we live and it is not only about the end of celibacy for priests and nuns, but also the status of divorces. If the Catholic Church<\/a> wa nts to divorces. If the Catholic Church<\/a> wants to have any future edge needs to live in that the time it lives m, to live in that the time it lives in, that is to say priests need to be able to marry, like the anglicans. And he is thinking about the future as well, because last weekend he got to the stage when he appointed enough cardinals that they will ultimately choose his successor. It is one of the thing popes do, the appointment to the couege popes do, the appointment to the college of cardinals who enter the conclave to elect the next pope. It is also the current pope tries to shape this and ensure his legacy but of course john paul ii and put benedict tried to ship the college of cardinals and they were very different popes to francis, who elected pope francis does not necessarily work that way. This is a church that is usually important to so church that is usually important to so many people who are practising catholics and has huge political influence for those who are not, but also a church with many, you think of the south american and african church, quite different in terms of output. It is interesting mention africa and other parts of the world because at one time the Catholic Church<\/a> was very much a European Church<\/a> and something that pope francis has focused on is the fact it is in decline and you look, it is growing in other parts of the world and being from latin america himself thatis and being from latin america himself that is clearly something that has been his focus. In washington its been a case of donald duck as the flak flies in the impeachment inquiry. The us president was bombarded by fellow republicans, too, after he abruptly announced he was bringing home us troops from northern syria. You dont have to be a cynic to think the timing might be connected with President Trump<\/a>s troubles at home which had been its also a Recep Tayyip Erdogan<\/a> pleasing move. Turkeys president has long wanted to create what he calls a safe zone a place to deposit the hundreds of thousands of refugees his country has been hosting and by the way, to push syrias kurds away from his border. To president erdogan, kurds, almost without exception, are trouble potential allies for turkeys own restive minority. This weekend President Trump<\/a> are saying he would be more than happy to negotiate a ceasefire between turkey and the syrian kurds, that is a case of trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. The overnight news was, the idea was the kurds and North Eastern<\/a> syria had been instrumental in pushing isis back, 10,000 lives lost and many more casualties. Embedded with them when 50 to 100 american observers, special forces and what did last week which initiated the whole sequence week which initiated the whole sequence of chaos as he had a long phone call with erdogan who has been trying to get in there for more than a yearand in trying to get in there for more than a year and in his wayjust willy nilly put out a tweet saying i am withdrawing all american troops. He had not consulted with anyone on his National Security<\/a> team, the defence department, and i dont even consulted with the secretary of state to whom he is relatively close. Instant chaos because the meaning of this was to give a green light for erdogan to finally do this thing, he has been threatening to do for a long time which as i have been to the border many times, it is a beautiful green fertile plain that ru ns beautiful green fertile plain that runs between and you could hardly know there is a border between turkey and syria except that every half a kilometre that is a watchtower for the turkish army and they have been there for decades. He does this and within 72 hours just as you would expect the turkish army goes into North Eastern<\/a> syria, they have always regarded the syrian kurds is an extension of the turkish kurds is an extension of the turkish kurds with him they have been fighting an insurgency for independence for decades. Involved in domestic terrorism. Then you have the basic sequence but he never spoke to the department of defence as of these american observers were still there and yesterday they were shown. Luckily. A nato country essentially put another under the bombardment. Luckily no one was injured but in war things happen. If something were to happen i think we would be in at this level higher power but of chaos. At the lower level anyone who pays attention to this nose that many isis fighters have been imprisoned, guarded by the very kurds that erdogan is now fighting and within a dayjob breaks and so you have the prospect of a renewed isis Islamic State<\/a> insurgency. This is not a stable pa rt insurgency. This is not a stable part of the world anyway but at the moment with what is happening the protest a nd moment with what is happening the protest and a rock with concerns about iran, adding another element of potential chaos, presumably has the risk of a much wider reverberation. I think what nobody should be underestimating in all this is the devastating implication that this could have notjust this is the devastating implication that this could have not just for the middle east but globally. Turkey is escalating offensive on syria could lead to a further displacement of 300,000 people for example all at a time when america and European Countries<\/a> are showing absolute relu cta nce countries are showing absolute reluctance to admit more refugees, the turkish president erdogan is also speaking about creating a safe zone for refugees in the north east of syria. But there is nowhere the chances of anyone being safe are next to zero especially of the conflict escalates. There i say meanwhile you have the Un Refugee Agency<\/a> who is quite rightly saying that further conflict would lead to leisure monetary aid being delivered and the possibility of having isis having a resurgence and remember that this monstrous movement was one of the consequences of conflict such as iraq so if we allow such was to go on indefinitely than violent groups will take advantage of the chaos. This is clearly something of concern to europeans as well, how do they try and influence what is happening given the us decision has been made . If only europe had an army. But that was always fought by britain but anyway i think we all felt so sick this week and i do not know a single kurds, you dont need to have gone to the middle east to know how valiant and brave they have been, fought like lions for us and for the whole world, defeating and waging that war and that is how we thank them and this isjust absolutely disgusting. We are all hostages of trump who with just the flick of a twitter finger does this and it is so wrong on so many levels because apart from the fact do not abandon and betray them in that way, lets be pragmatic, you have isis fighters who are in jail plus the families, 70,000 people who are going to escape any next few days are going to go back to their home countries in europe so it is creating and that saves zone he is talking about a death corner. That is something we and the americans should worry about. And europe looks again quite powerless and that is of course another element. Only between 50 and 100 us troops, they cannot really and even then as advisers, when the really holding back a tide in that sense . Their presence because the United States<\/a> is slowly exceeding its leadership in the world under donald trump. Which is quite remarkable, stepping back and i had to step back to far from people i know in that region but it seems that the sequence of this event is about providing russia, iran and turkey leadership and trying to solve the Syrian Crisis<\/a> civil war, for another war. They will not use the same standards of conflict resolution that the us which was not having up to 100 advisers kept turkey from doing this, that is why immediately trump tweeted this, everyone in washington who followed this through up their hands who say it is only 50 100 people, only a couple of thousand us troops in syria so that is nothing but it is their presence because it is america and when you step back and suddenly having american troops there at some point in the future will not be that kind of safeguard for people who need a safeguard. One thing that strikes me that i thought about a moment ago is the way in which the Kurdish People<\/a> always seem to be the victims and the problem as they are stateless and we have had this problem for such a long time. There was that moment in the 90s when something was done to help the Kurdish People<\/a> and we had the safe haven to protect them from saddam but this shows really have got to think again, the un has to think again about the plight of the people of kurdistan and something needs to done to recognise the situation. They are caught in the crossfire. |j wa nt they are caught in the crossfire. wa nt to they are caught in the crossfire. want to ask you a kind of related point about stability across the region and how much people are prepared to put up with. We have a ready scene the street protests and iraq, isaw ready scene the street protests and iraq, i saw a statistic which surprised me which was that poverty and egypt now claims a bigger proportion of the population than before the arab spring, signs of discontent in other countries. Could be reaching a moment where that once again leads to some a Popular Uprising<\/a> on is that a naive european hope . I dont think there is much european or western interest in that pa rt of european or western interest in that part of the world that is one of the things that actually trump understood, he knows that by far the priority on most americans mindset as angry nationalists popular with day populism as in britain. They we re day populism as in britain. They were not be thinking about this conflict, not high on their minds just as the syrian war which is kind ofa just as the syrian war which is kind of a 300,000 lives and displaced millions more is not high, not a priority on peoples minds in this pa rt of priority on peoples minds in this part of the world. But as michael was saying we should not forget the russian position in all this, it remainsa firm russian position in all this, it remains a firm backer of president assad and is by far the most powerful power involved in syria. American Foreign Policy<\/a> hawks should be worried that putin could use the turkish offensive as an excuse to expand russian influence because beyond having Strategic Military<\/a> basesin beyond having Strategic Military<\/a> bases in syria they also have Lucrative Oil<\/a> and gas contracts and actually they would love the us to stay completely out of this area, it could be that russia could now be playing the role of a mediator to try and stop the bloodshed between the turks and the kurds and strengthening their position. This is the 19th century all over again in which and i do think in the long run erdogan has overplayed his hand because eventually he has been buying Russian Military<\/a> equipment and nato does not like that because they will have to integrate the systems, what you will see over the next five years regardless of whether trump was re elected and i do not think he will be, russia is now sorted itself and formed a Strong Partnership<\/a> with iran and you have this new geopolitics forming when you are coming out of the black sea and the caspian with russia now becoming a regional hegemonic is america has pulled back and even people who are against wars and iraq will be happy with the results from that. Thank you all very much. Thats it for dateline london for this week were back next week at the same time. Goodbye. Hello. For parts of scotland and Northern Ireland<\/a> its a mainly dry weekend with some spells of sunshine. But for a large swathe of the uk weve got more rain in the forecast and with the ground already saturated in places that brings a risk of flooding. All the flood warnings are on our website and the rain is tied into this bank of cloud which drapes itself out into the atlantic and thats a frontal system which will continue to pulse across the uk through the weekend. And on saturday the main focus of the heavier and more persistent rain will be in a zone from southwest england across southern counties of england and up into east anglia. Some of that rain will become increasingly persistent and heavy through the day. To the north of this weve got some brighter skies and some spells of sunshine. Still some showers around particularly for northern and western scotland, the west of Northern Ireland<\/a>, a few for northwest england and north wales but generally away from our band of cloud and rain looking at a dry day, some spells of sunshine and the winds not as strong as they have been on recent days. Temperature wise, 11 to 16 celsius for most, warmest across some northeastern counties of england in the afternoon sunshine. Now through this evening an overnight band of rain across south wales and southern england starts to push its way further northwards perhaps getting as far north as southern scotland by the end of the night. Looking dry with clearer skies across much of Northern Ireland<\/a>, also across central and northern scotland so temperatures here falling to around four or five celsius but holding up to ten, 11 maybe even 12 celsius where youve got the cloud and the rain. Really messy picture tomorrow, rain never too far away for much of england, wales and southern scotland and some of that rain will still be heavy. Looking like a mainly dry day though across much of Northern Ireland<\/a>, central and northern scotland save for one or two showers. But this heavy and persistent rain will be slowly pushing its way north and eastwards through the day, brighter skies developing behind but also still a scattering of showers, may take its time to clear from eastern coasts through the afternoon, that band of rain, and a fresher feel tomorrow for most temperatures in a range from 11 to 15 celsius. Now we may start the new week dry and a little bit on the chilly side but fronts are never too far away on monday, two areas of rain pushing in, one from the west and the other from the south and east. So whilst many will start dry, some spells of sunshine, a fairly cool if not chilly start, rain expected to move in from the west and the south and the east through the afternoon. It sets us up for another unsettled week. Bye bye. This is bbc news. Im julian worricker. The headlines at 12pm. A moment of sporting history kenyan athlete Eliud Kipchoge<\/a> becomes the first person to run a marathon in under two hours. I am the happiest man to run under two hours, i hope to inspire many people, to tell people no human is limited and you can do it. Typhoon hagibis makes landfall in Japan Bringing<\/a> torrential rain and strong winds its the worst storm to hit the country for 60 years. Theres been fierce fighting around the town of ras al ayn in syria with conflicting reports as to who controls it. 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