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BBCNEWS Outside Source July 14, 2024

Sebastian kurtz has delivered a surprising result in the australian election, a clear victory. He will be working with the far right again though, because they lost a great deal of their support. The greens delivered their best result in a general election. We will report from vienna. The bbc reverses its decision to partially uphold a complaint against its presenter Naga Munchetty. Well have all the details. A United Nations Investigation Team has gained access to covert recordings of the moment that journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed, and theyve described in detail what they heard to the bbc. Mr khashoggi was a writer and critic of saudi arabias government. He was murdered in the countrys consulate in istanbul exactly a year ago this week. Saudis Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is suspected of personally targeting mr khashoggi. Hes just given his first interview with western media since the murder, this is what he said when he was asked if hed ordered the murder. Translation absolutely not. This was a heinous crime. But i take full responsibility as a leader in saudi arabia. Especially since it was committed by individuals working for the saudi government. Bbc panoramas jane corbin has the story of those secret recordings. In october last year, Jamaal Khashoggi walked into the saudi consulate in istanbul. He was hoping to collect divorce papers in order to marry his turkish fiance. But after entering the building, he was never seen again. We only know that Jamaal Khashoggi was murdered, and the brutal way in which it was done, because the saudi consulate was bugged by turkish intelligence. The planning and the execution were all recorded. You can hear them laughing. Its a sort of chilling business. They are waiting there, knowing that this man is going to come in, and hes going to be murdered. British barrister, helena kennedy, is one of the very few people who have listened to the audio recordings of the journalists death. The horror of listening to somebodys voice, and the fear in someones voice, makes a shiver go through your body. Ms kennedy was invited to join the team, headed by agnes calamar, the uns special rapporteur for extrajudicial killing. She led the investigation into khashoggis murder, and negotiated access to the crucial tapes. Recordings reveal the truth about what happened to jamaal. He says, am i being kidnapped . How could this happen in an embassy . The sounds that are heard after that point indicate that he is suffocated. Probably with a plastic bag over his head. Agnes report for the Un Human Rights Council concluded that khashoggi was the victim of a premeditated execution, for which the state of saudi arabia is responsible. There is no indication under International Law that this crime could be qualified under any other way but as a state killing. The recordings also counter the saudis claim, that khashoggis death was a rogue operation. With the tapes revealing the planning that took place in the days leading up to the murder. There is no doubt in my mind, this was a seriously, highly organised mission coming from the top. This was not some flaky maverick operation. No, no. The saudi government told panorama, it is committed to holding the perpetrators accountable. The crown prince has said that as a leader, he takes full responsibility, but denies ordering the killing. Jane corbin, bbc news. Jamal khashoggis murder has had a big impact on how the world views saudi arabia. Lets hearfrom Frank Gardner who reports from riyadh. Saudi arabia has become a more relaxed, lest austere place under Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman. Theres public entertainment, and women can drive, but critics say there is a darker, dictator oriole side to his rule, and the stain of of the khashoggi murder will not be easily erased. The image of saudi arabia around the world took a massive hit from the khashoggi murder. Much of the leadership here was a bit slow to realise the extent of the damage. Here inside the country, there was very little News Coverage about the incident. For most saudis, the negative impact of that event has really been overshadowed by the huge social reforms sweeping this country. For now, the population is largely with him, but saudi arabias problems are mounting, with iran, with yemen, and an ever more sceptical west. Frank gardner, bbc news. Now to washington, because President Trump has suggested the congressman leading the impeachment inquiry against them should potentially be arrested for treason. That was going to be the first place that i was going to start, butjust in the last few minutes, we have had another development of the story. So we think thats all in connection to this story swirling around about ukraine, the conversation between President Trump and the president of the ukraine in the summer, in which mrtrump is the ukraine in the summer, in which mr trump is accused of applying pressure to the ukrainian authorities in orderfor pressure to the ukrainian authorities in order for them and to investigate joe authorities in order for them and to investigatejoe biden, because mr trump is convinced thatjoe biden and his sun had behaved in a corrupt manner in the ukraine. Thats the rough background, we will give you more as we go along. Adam schiff is being accused by President Trump of illegally making up a fake and terrible statements, pretending he says, to be me when it comes to that call with the ukrainian president. Now thats to do with the fact that when talking last week, adam schiff, to make a point, imagine how this call would be by taking some of the actual transcript, and mixing it with how he imagines the message that President Trump was trying to get across, you will see what i mean from the clip. Well it reads like a classic organised sha kedown. Shown of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates. Weve been very good to your country, very good, no other country has done as much as we have, but you know what, i dont see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want, i have a favour i want from you, though. And im going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand, lots of it. On this, and on that, im going to put you in touch with people, notjust any people, im going to put you in touch with the attorney general of the United States, my attorney general, bill barr. Hes got the whole weight of the american Law Enforcement behind him. And im going to put you in touch with rudy, you are going to love him, trust me. You know what im asking, and so im only going to say this a few more times. In a few more ways. And by the way, dont call me again, ill call you when youve done what ive asked. This is, in some in character of what the president was trying to communicate, with the president of the ukraine. It would be funny if it wasnt such a graphic betrayal of the president s oath of office. So as you heard there, adam schiff was clear he was referring to the essence of what the president communicated and was describing that conversation in sum and character only. But, the president isnt happy. Here he is speaking a short time ago. I made a call. The call was perfect. When the whistle blower reported it, he made it sound terrible. And then you have adam schiff, who even worse, made up my words. Which i think isjust a worse, made up my words. Which i think is just a horrible, worse, made up my words. Which i think isjust a horrible, id never even seen a think isjust a horrible, id never even seen a thing like that. So just remind you, this is coming in from reuters, Rudy Giuliani, mrtrump ozment personal lawyer, subpoenaed by the us house democrats. Gary odonoghue is with us from washington, gary, what does that mean practical terms . Washington, gary, what does that mean practicalterms . Its a legal instrument that the committees can use to demand the production of documents it, and indeed people. And if you dont do what the subpoena says, then you are in contempt of congress, and will be taken to court and in contempt of court. So its a pretty strong piece of instruments, a strong instrument in the arsenal that the Committee Chairman have. Its worth saying in this case what they are subpoenaing is for documents at this stage, and thats to say Text Messages, phone calls, e mails, all of that kind of thing relating to his contacts with ukraine, right back to january 2017. So two and half years of this stuff, andi so two and half years of this stuff, and i think they wanted by the middle of the month. Will they subpoena the man himself to appear, which hasnt been which hasnt happened yet, i think its that they will at some point, yes. 50 for those people who havent been following every twist and turn, why is Rudy Giuliani, a man who is not in the Trump Administration formally, so central to this story . Well, its because, notjust the whistle blower last week, but in reports elsewhere, and indeed in mr giulianis own words, he was involved in these contacts with ukraine, trying to persuade the ukrainian authorities to investigate joe biden. He was part of the follow up process, for example, to thatjuly the 25th call between President Trump and president zelinski. He went to madrid, had a meeting with some senior advisers there, again, asking for help with this. Hes admitted he was part of this. Hes admitted he was part of this kind of policy. Hes also said that the state department has asked him to do some of this work in part, and that others were involved as well. And thats why there are also subpoenas, separate subpoenas today from the Intelligence Committee and others for a number of giulianis business associates. So, this is a big shot across the bows. You will see more of this, we have already had subpoena releases for mike pompeo, secretary of state for documents that he might have relating to this whole visit. There are going to be a lot more of these in the coming days and weeks, and then they will start trying to haul these people in front of these committees for actual evidence sessions. Gary, just seeing the text ofa sessions. Gary, just seeing the text of a statement from adam schiff coming through. Let me pull it up here on the screen. This is a Statement Released by mr schiff. This statement goes on. And gary, we cant accuse Rudy Giuliani of being shy, because hes been talking about this an awful lot. Absolutely. Hes absolutely been talking about it. I mean, at times, not entirely consistently. One point in the space of one interview, he both asserted that he had been trying to persuade them to get some dirt onjoe biden, and denied he talks Aboutjoe Biden at all. So theres some issues with consistency there. But, he has been central to this, and you are right to say that he has made it clear all along. And this is why the text m essa 9 es along. And this is why the Text Messages come into play. At points here, he was under construction to do this work from other parts of the administration. And that is something that will make a lot of people in this administration very uneasy tonight, because they will wonder whether tomorrow morning, wednesday morning, thursday morning, next week on thursday morning, one of these subpoenas is going to land on their door mat too. Gary, thank you very much, indeed. That scary live with us from washington dc. And a few minutes on the programme, we have news concerning the bbc, because of a complaint against the bbc presenter, munchetty, that was partially upheld, with that decision is not being reversed by its director general, we will have all the details on that. Thousands of women who suffer heart attacks are dying needlessly because they fail to recognise their symptoms , and receive poorer care than men, according to a new study. The report by the British Heart Foundation found inequalities in diagnosis, treatment and aftercare. Dr Vijay Kunadian is an interventional cardiologist at newcastle university. server tx for women, traditionally they think its, their conditions are often related to their breast cancer, cervical cancer, but they ignore their heart symptoms. So i say to my patients, if you have any discomfort around your chest, and you dont feel well, think of your heart first. Because Heart Disease is number one killer in the uk, as well as in the worldwide. And our Data Analysis from the National Database shows that women are lagging behind in terms of seeking attention, as well is receiving the treatment, and asa well is receiving the treatment, and as a result, we are losing lives. We are losing precious lives, prematurely. This is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. Our lead story is. Saudi arabias crown prince mohammad bin salman has denied ordering the murder of the journalist, Jamal Khashoggi. But he says it was a heinous crime committed by people working for his government. Other stories around the bbc newsroom. Houthi rebels in yemen have freed almost 300 prisoners as part of a un peace initiative. Thats from bbc arabic. A day of mourning is taking place in france for the former president Jacques Chirac who died last week at the age of 86. World leaders joined almost 2000 people for a service in paris. Over the weekend thousands of people queued to file past his coffin that has been lying in state. Now, lets turn to china, because police there have arrested a fugitive. I apologise, we will come to that story in a moment, but as you can see, we will talk about my colleague, the bbc presenter munchetty. Because a complaint against the bbc presenter Naga Munchetty that was partially upheld and caused a furore has now been reversed by the director general. Naga had been talking with co presenter dan walker about comments made by donald trump. The president had suggested four democratic politicians should go back to places from which they came. Heres the clip from bbc breakfast at the centre of complaint. That was the most telling quote from you last night, i cant remember who said it, but she said ive been told to go home many times. To go back to where ive come from many times in my life. And being told by the man sitting in the oval office. To make and every time ive been told as a woman of colour, to go home, to go back to where it came from, that was embedded in racism. Im not accusing anyone of anything here, but you know what certain phrases mean. Are you still told that . Yes. Not regularly, but you know, ive been told that. I know you are sitting here not giving an opinion, but how do you feel than someone whos been told that before . Furious. Absolutely furious. And i can imagine that lots of people in this country will be feeling absolutely furious that a man in that position feels its ok to start the lines with using language like that. Does that then, do you feel his use of that, because thats the point im trying to make, it then legitimises other people to use it. And as our guest was saying there, it feels like i thought out strategy to strengthen his position. And its not enough to do itjust to strengthen his position. And its not enough to do it just to get attention. One person made a complaint about what was said, and that was partially upheld by a review panel. This then led to a backlash against that review. A large group of actors and broadcasters wrote to the bbc to ask them to reconsider thejudgement. As did many staff. Well the bbcs diector general tony hall emailed all staff earlier. Part of the email read i dont think nagas words were sufficient in other words he was reversing the decision the bbc had been defending publicly as recently as monday. All of which has left some asking what changed between last week and now. Lizo mzimba. Everything has changed. End of last week, the bbc was adamant that what munchetty had said with her comments about President Trumps motivation behind what was a racist tweet was not something she should have done on bbc breakfast. And that was the decision of the very high powered executive complaints unit here, and backed up by the editorial policy unit here at the bbc. Now, of course, since the decision was made, there has been a lot of comments both by the public, from social media, and from many of Naga Munchettys colleagues, not just media, and from many of Naga Munchettys colleagues, notjust at the bbc, but across the industry, culminating in an open letter to a newspaper, lord hall, the director general was asked to look at this decision again. This evening, he announced that he done exactly that. And decided that even though this was a finely balanced judgements, the executive complaints unit got it wrong. And that Naga Munchetty hadnt done anything wrong. So its a complete reversal of the bbcs strongly entrenched position from last week. Many people out there, who of course have been very vocal about this, and will be very pleased at the decision that the bbc has finally made. But will also be asking the question, should the bbc have taken so long to get to the point where they think they should have been, when the decision was originally made. I was interested towards the end of e mail, which lord hall sent every member of staff youre the bbc, he said he would also be looking at some of the processes and procedures around how the bbc assesses these issues. Yes, he said specifically he has asked the editorial and Leadership Tea

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