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BBCNEWS BBC News At Nine July 14, 2024

Well be speaking to a professor of european politics and Foreign Affairs to ask what happens next. In other news, reports that thomas cook holidaymakers are being pressured to pay hotel bills after the company went bust. A formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump over allegations he pressured ukraine to set up a corruption inquiry into democratjoe biden. Look, itsjust a continuation of the witchhunt. Its the worst witchhunt in political history. We have the strongest economy weve ever had, we have the best unemployment numbers weve ever had. Premier league side tottenham are beaten on peanalities by the League Two Side colchester united putting them out of the league cup. Good morning, and welcome to the bbc news at 9. Mps are returning to the house of commons this morning, after that dramatic and historic ruling by the Supreme Court that borisjohnsons decision to suspend parliament for five weeks was unlawful. The Prime Minister said he profoundly disagreed with the judges, but would respect their decision. A senior Government Official said borisjohnson spoke to the queen after the ruling, but wouldnt reveal any details of their conversation. Our Political Correspondent Jessica Parker is following events. Parliament is opening up again. The media tents are making a return, westminster coming back to life. It wasnt his plan. I have the highest respect, of course, for ourjudiciary and for the independence of our courts but i must say, i strongly disagree with thisjudgment. And, in the end, it wasnt his call. The decision to advise her majesty to Prorogue Parliament was unlawful. After the Supreme Court ruled that suspending parliament was unlawful. So, mps are coming back to this place. Now what . Well, things are pretty changeable but you can expect, as the Commons Chamber reopens for business, that there will be efforts to lob some difficult questions of at this government and put Boris Johnson under intense pressure. However, it appears the opposition may refrain from trying to bring down the government and trigger an election right away but mps who felt silenced are ready to make some noise. Parliament has to exert, now, its authority, it has to be brave and bold and the Prime Minister has to reach out because there isnt any other way, across the aisle to seek a compromise. Borisjohnson, have you embarrassed the queen . Borisjohnson is resisting calls to resign but returning to westminster today, he will have to face the music. Jessica parker, bbc news. So, what might happen next . Well, as weve just heard, parliament will resume this morning, in just a few hours time. The queen is then due to set out the governments future plans, at the state opening of parliament on october 14th. Three days after that, the Prime Minister is due to go to brussels for an eu summit, on october 17th. In that time, he says hes hoping to negotiate a new brexit deal with the eu. Borisjohnson is still insisting the uk will leave the eu two weeks later on october 31st, come what may. But at the moment, if he doesnt get a brexit deal approved by parliament, then by law, the government has to ask the eu for another brexit delay. But its probably fair to say that a lot could change between now and then. Lets get more on this with our assistant political editor, norman smith, whos in westminsterfor us. Yes, a lot could happen i guess between now and october 14. What do you speculate are the next moves for borisjohnson you speculate are the next moves for Boris Johnson and opposition parties . I think its pretty clear borisjohnson parties . I think its pretty clear Boris Johnson and his parties . I think its pretty clear borisjohnson and his team have decided to tough this out. There wont be any change of strategy, no sign ofany wont be any change of strategy, no sign of any contrition, no hint of an apology and absolutely no question of any resignation. In fa ct, question of any resignation. In fact, from some quarters, theres been a good deal of a criticism of the judiciary with been a good deal of a criticism of thejudiciary with jacob been a good deal of a criticism of the judiciary with Jacob Rees Mogg ina the judiciary with Jacob Rees Mogg in a Conference Call amongst cabinet ministers last night talking about a constitutional coup by the Supreme Court. It seems to me borisjohnson and his team will carry on doubling down on their existing strategy which is to present brexit as a tussle between the people, led by borisjohnson, against tussle between the people, led by Boris Johnson, against parliament and the remain elite. They are quite happy to present it as such and to present thejudges as happy to present it as such and to present the judges as part of that elite, which is why when michael gove, but no deal cabinet minister was on the radio this morning, it was on the radio this morning, it was a pretty defiant message and there was no suggestion at all of anyone saying sorry. Have a listen to him answering this question. Did you do something wrong when you prorogued parliament . you do something wrong when you prorogued parliament . I dont think so prorogued parliament . I dont think so but we will respect the decision of the Supreme Court in time to comply with that. Its only fair to point out, there is a very respectable set of illegal opinions that have pointed out that according to an understanding of the law, until now, what the government did was entirely lawful. So, what happens now . Boris johnson was entirely lawful. So, what happens now . Borisjohnson is flying back to london. He was due back around 10 15am, some delay there. They might not be back in time for parliament, when it resumes sitting at 11 30am. If you look at the official order paper, which lists the business for the day, you will see it is pretty much a blank sheet of paper with not much on it at all. That doesnt mean nothing will happen. I think there will be plenty of atte m pts happen. I think there will be plenty of attempts by mps to try and glean more information from the government about their no deal planning, about the actual legal advice they received about prorogation. They may be an attempt to begin contempt of Parliament Proceedings against mr johnson, to secure documents which some mps believe will prove he lied to parliament and the queen. In terms of the big one, of pressing for a motion of no confidence, all the signs are the opposition parties have drawn breath and are holding back from that because they want first to make absolutely ioo back from that because they want first to make absolutely 100 sure that no deal is off the table, that borisjohnson that no deal is off the table, that Boris Johnson cannot buy that no deal is off the table, that borisjohnson cannot buy some parliamentary weeds or legal sleight of hand get round that legislation they passed to outlaw no deal. So Jeremy Corbyn this morning sounding cautious about when they might actually trigger that motion of no confidence. Until it is very, very clear that the application will be made, as per the legislation, to the European Union, to extend our membership until at least january, to give time for discussions on a deal with them, then we will continue pushing for that and that is our priority and that is why im working with the other opposition parties to achieve that. Now, my understanding is the Opposition Party leaders are meeting as we speak, to try and finesse tactics, because clearly they are trying to coordinate their approach because they have different priorities, different instincts and it is trying to make sure that when they do table a motion of no confidence, they are all signed up to it and signed up to the next steps. Greg norman, thank you very much. Norman smith at westminster. So, away from the drama in westminster, what do the voters make of whats happened . Jon kay has been getting reaction from swindon, where just over half of people opted to leave in the referendum. We are given the opportunity to vote for what we want and whatever we vote for, appears to not happen. You think brexits being blocked . Yes, i do. They seem to have all forgotten that they act for us, and theyre acting for themselves. I have to say, i strongly disagree with what the justices have found. Hes doing what we wanted him to do and, you know, apparently, if youve got a lot of money, you just go to the courts and you can stop it. I think he should resign. Absolutely, with no question of a doubt, he should resign. Hes a dictator. Boris is boris, so boris will carry on thats boris. It leaves him as the Prime Minister and he will stay as a Prime Minister and i think people feel, at the moment, hes the best of a bad bunch. I dont really want to vote any more. I feel lost, i dont know who i should go for, who i can trust. Its kind of all a bit of a mess, really. Theres not really any solid parties, theyve all fallen out with each other within their parties. Its like, who can we go with, whos going to be suitable . We just dont know. Joining me now from westminster sirjohn curtice, professor of politics at the university of strathclyde and Senior Research fellow at Natcen Social research. Professor, good to have you with us as ever. Do you professor, good to have you with us as ever. Do you agree professor, good to have you with us as ever. Do you agree with norman smiths assessment of what Boris Johnson is going to be able to do next, that he is simply going to tough it out, with six losses in votes in the commons and a Supreme Court ruling against him . Sure, borisjohnson will court ruling against him . Sure, Boris Johnson will tough it court ruling against him . Sure, borisjohnson will tough it out for the time being. No prospect of him being overturned by his own mps and norman is also correct he will attempt to turn this to say, look, im going to stand up against the wiles and strategies of the liberal establishment. The potential problem, however, it presents him with is whether or not the events of the last 2a hours will undermine voters confidence in his ability to stand up effectively to the liberal establishment. Its perfectly clear from the instant polling we have so far, with around three fifths of leave voters thinking the judges decision was wrong, but there is also a hint, and i should say it is no more than a hint, in one of those snap polls that maybe there has been a Slight Movement back to the brexit party in the wake of this. We will have to see whether that is confirmed or not. The crucial bit norman said is borisjohnson is going to claim he is leading against the liberal establishment. The question is do leave voters still regard him as an adequate leader of that cause . We talked a lot about his claim of duane di, the uk will be leaving the eu on the 31st of october. Lets move away from thoughts of no deal, what the possibilities of him getting a deal . Well, the answer is no greater than zero but perhaps they are well short of 100 at the moment. We know that the uk government. The crucial thing the uk government have achieved, they are willing to reopen the withdrawal treaty, not least because the idea the backstop would because the idea the backstop would be something that involve the whole of the United Kingdom rather than just Northern Ireland was something that was done originally at the request of mrs mays government. The current government doesnt want that and the eu will have no problem agreeing with that change. The question is, what should replace the Northern Ireland backstop . Which itself is unacceptable to the current government . There has been some discussion about agriculture and food and whether or not there could be an all ireland agreement on that, although there is a report in the times this morning that may be not even the uk governments that are appropriate. It still leaves the question of nonagricultural goods and non food goods, which according to them the room as we are getting out of brussels, the uk government and European Union dont currently meet eye to eye on. It is not clear at the moment at least that the United Kingdom and European Union are sufficiently close. They clearly have agreed what to talk about but its not clear they can reach a conclusion. So with time squeezed for borisjohnson to actually get a deal, despite those defeats in the commons and the Supreme Court ruling, the thing that might ultimately be his undoing in a way is his claim from his own words that he would be leaving, the uk would be leaving on the 31st of october come what may because it might not be possible . If he fails to do that, it is very clear many voters out there who currently say they will vote conservative would go back to Nigel Farages brexit party and that is the nightmare scenario for him. There is still a question out there to be fully answered, which is even if the Prime Minister can get to deal with the European Union, can get a vote in favour of it in the house of commons by the 19th of october and that may have got a bit more difficult in the wake of yesterdays development, is how does he get the legislation that we require 3d has a commons and the house of lords by the 31st of october . Shall we simply say the timetable looks very, very tight indeed by the time it is normally taken for legislation to go through the commons and lords and having once already been told that not giving the commons adequate time to delay brexit is not acceptable, you may find the house of commons is less willing to accept being bullied into a timetable of the Prime Ministers own making. We will talk about labour and other opposition parties in a moment but lets look at this bbc poll of polls, up to date as of the start of this week. Talk us through this and what this tells us about the state of play, what voters are thinking . The position at the moment broadly speaking as the conservatives have a lead in the opinion polls. A fairly substantial lead. But given that the liberal democrats are now in a much stronger position than they were in 2017 and given that in scotland it looks as if the snp will at least hold their own or do better and could well end up with 50 seats, we have to remember that the conservatives will need, likely to need a bigger lead than the two and a half lead they had two years ago, just simply to stand still. If you ta ke just simply to stand still. If you take the current polls and you assume, and this is a big assumption, that the actual geography will end up still being roughly as it was two years ago, you end up discovering that on the current pole position, the government could find itself with roughly the 317 or 318 seats theresa may had in 2018 and then there is no guarantee that the general election will resolve the impasse. That said, what is clear from polling evidence, if the general election, which will 110w if the general election, which will now happen after the European Council, if Boris Johnson now happen after the European Council, if borisjohnson does get to deal through or indeed somehow is standing ona to deal through or indeed somehow is standing on a platform of no deal, then he may be able to squeeze the brexit party vote. On the other hand, if he fails to get a deal through and article 50 is on the course to being revoked and we have another referendum, then the conservative party is in deep trouble. I think we should remember, we could note to the polls at the moment but the crucial thing will be, where has the Brexit Process got to by the time an election is called and held . To by the time an election is called and held . And that will be after the crucial developments in the third week of october when the European Union meet with the uk. Lets talk about labour and the opposition parties more broadly. Labour putting off coming down on one side or the other on the leave or remain question. Where is that going to leave it as we head towards a general election at some point in the not too distant future, we suppose . Its not immediately obvious how labours latest compromised position, and it has had many nuances and varieties in the last four years, as to how that is going to help it. The problem the labour party faces is at the end of the day, the electorate are deeply polarised on brexit. The two most popular options are to leave without a deal if necessary on the 31st of october, where Boris Johnson a deal if necessary on the 31st of october, where borisjohnson is standing, or reverse brexit, which is wherejo swinson is standing. The idea of having a referendum, of having a soft brexit perhaps as an outcome, in a situation where we dont know whether or not the labour party is in favour of remain or leave, it is not clear how that compromised position is going to be more effective than its predecessors at holding up the labour vote. Basically, the labour vote fell heavily during the brexit impasse in may, down to 25

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