Of the former zimbabwean president , Robert Mugabe who ruled over the country for four decades. At least five people have died, and thousands of properties are evacuated after flash flooding hits spains east coast. And, at half past twelve the click team looks at how technology is helping Anti Government demonstrators in hong kong. Thats coming up here on bbc news. The former Prime Minister, David Cameron, has accused Boris Johnson and michael gove of trashing his government, with what he describes as their appalling behaviour during the brexit referendum. In his first major interview since leaving downing street three years ago, mr cameron has told the Times Newspaper that the result of the referendum left him feeling depressed, and that he worries about it every day. Heres our Political Correspondent helen catt. After years of carefully keeping himself out of the headlines, former Prime MinisterDavid Cameron is once again the big news in town, and that may not be welcome news for Boris Johnson. He and his cabinet colleague michael gove are accused by mr cameron, in his new book, of behaving appallingly during the 2016 referendum. He actually, in the book i said to him you call michael gove, who was a close personalfriend, mendacious, and as for borisjohnson, and he says he has always found him amusing, he has worked well with him in the past, but he doesnt always trust him. David cameron also admits that he failed, and that some people will neverforgive him for holding a referendum. He says he thinks about it every single day, but believes that calling it was right and he felt it was inevitable. Hes also clearly apologetic. Hes clearly been very traumatised by the whole experience and that but claims made by mr cameron in his interview with the times magazine that the Referendum Campaign turned into a terrible tory psychodrama have been disputed by a prominent leave campaigner. As far as millions of people 33 Million People voted 17. 4 million of them voted because they wanted to leave the European Union. They did not care a fig about tory psychodramas or anything else. Most of them put aside Party Loyalties and voted on the issue. David cameron has also weighed in on the row over the suspension of parliament, describing using prorogation as a Sharp Practice that has rebounded. He admits, though, that there is a blockage and for that reason, the man who has become defined by one referendum now says holding another cannot be ruled out. Helen catt, bbc news. And David Cameron has been commenting on social media this morning. In a tweet, the former Prime Minister said for 3 years i have kept relatively quiet about politics. But i think its right former pms write their memoirs, to explain what they did and why. Emma tucker is Deputy Editor at the times shejoins me now via webcam. Do you think David Cameron answers those key questions . Why he held the referendum in the first place and how much he regrets . Yes, i think this his attempt to explain the decisions he made. At no point does he deviate from a self belief that this referendum had to be called. He regrets what has happened, he feels that he failed but he doesnt say he should not have called the referendum and i think that is the pa rt referendum and i think that is the part that is causing quite a bit of anger today because i think there are people who think that why did you think you had to call a referendum . You think you had to call a referendum . The you think you had to call a referendum . The idea of leaving the European Union wasnt a subject of great concern before he died. He looked at peoples priorities. It was way down the list of things that we re way down the list of things that were annoying them. He did what tory Prime Ministers of the past 50 years have tried to do. He tried to resolve the europe issue. Each time they try to do it they seem to make it worse. I think he does answer those questions but im not sure people will be very happy with the a nswe is. People will be very happy with the answers. He along with john major 110w answers. He along with john major now criticising a current conservative Prime Minister. It is unprecedented i think in this political time. Do you think that is going to go down well with brexit supporters . He is a bad loser. M going to go down well with brexit supporters . He is a bad loser. It is interesting because in the book he talks about one of the reasons why he didnt criticise borisjohnson im michael gove because he thought blue on blue attacks were very bad but he also thinks he was naive. It is interesting he has come out to attack borisjohnson. Is interesting he has come out to attack Boris Johnson. Will is interesting he has come out to attack borisjohnson. Will it make any difference . No one is surprised that he has criticising Boris Johnson. It might annoy. Everyone is so angry anyway i dont think it makes any difference what he does 110w. Makes any difference what he does now. It is unprecedented it isnt symptomatic of what they say. It is pa rt symptomatic of what they say. It is part of the tory psychodrama. The question is will there be a tory party by the end of brexit if it ever comes . From where we are now there is talk of perhaps a deal. Do you think this government is actually properly aiming for that . Interesting to see David Cameron talking about a potential second referendum. I think over the last few weeks they have. I think Boris Johnson realises cant leave without a deal and it would be better to get one. I think there is an authentic desire to get a deal. The moves around Northern Ireland and the border in the last couple of days is interesting story in the Financial Times suggesting more of a breakthrough. We had a story about it yesterday. It is possible things are moving in a way that they werent but there is still a lot of hurdles between getting the dup on board and getting europe to agree. There is a long way to go but there is an authentic desire because i dont think any. All the about what would happen in a new deal brexit has focused minds. Going back some years, you know the players personally in this personal psychodrama as David Cameron calls it. Were you surprised about how candid he was about falling out with michael gove . Again, surprise, not really, they were very good friends, and there is quite a lot in the book about how he really, he refers to himself as naive and it is possible that he was. He is an upstanding chap. He brought. The friendship counted for a lot and he was nonplussed when he was knocked politely shafted by michael gove. There is fury towards David Cameron but there is fury on his side how two of his so called friends turned against him quite viciously during the campaign and i think this is his small attempt to repay that. Finally, quickly, do you think people will buy the book or they are so angry people will buy the book or they are so angry about the divisions that they might not . It is a very good question. There are a a lot of jokes. When we announced we were running the extracts they were funny jokes about peoples intentions to buy or not buy the book. It is a fascinating read and aside from the stuff around brexit or including it, it is really interesting and it is well written and for anyone who is interested in politics and drama it is definitely a good read. People well. There were a lot ofjokes about people borrowing it from libraries but dont forget he is donating the money to charity from the book. Thank you so much for joining us today, the Deputy Editor of the times. Our Political CorrespondentSusana Mendonca said there was a sense of acceptance from mr cameron that when it came to the referendum he had failed. He talks about how he thinks about it every single day, he was hugely depressed by the result, and there were people who would neverforgive him. But essentially he still thinks he was right to hold this referendum because he felt that the people needed an opportunity to have a say and that the opportunity to renegotiate britains thought needed to happen. But really quite critical, also, of those who were involved in the leave campaign at the time. Boris johnson and michael gove, who he thought were going to come on side with him in the remain camp and actually didnt in the end and went on the leave side, and feeling as though they behaved appallingly. He said they left the truth at home. So really quite damning of a former Prime Minister making those comments about a current Prime Minister. Yes, and he is critical of borisjohnsons tactics now. Yes, this is notjust about what happened in 2016, hes talking about the strategy now and he said he wanted borisjohnson to succeed, but he thought that borisjohnsons plan had morphed into something quite different and he was critical of suspending parliament, of removing the whip from conservative mps, describing those as Sharp Practices and also saying that he thought that no deal would be a bad outcome. So here we have a former Prime Minister making these quite damning assessments of the current Prime Ministers strategy. And of course borisjohnson at the moment is supposed to be meeting this week with eu leaders and supposed to be putting across the image that he is trying to get a deal with the European Union and i suppose these words from David Cameron at this moment are not helpful to him. The question of whether there is a deal or not is also leading some people to think a second referendum is potentially back on the table, David Cameron saying that he thinks that is potentially one way out, and nicky morgan, a cabinet minister, said if that happened she would vote remain. Lets have a listen to what she said. If it comes to a point away you asked to vote again, in a referendum, can you give me a very straight answer as to how you would vote . I would vote to remain. So why are you in Boris Johnsons cabinet . Because i am also a democrat, and i think one of the fundamental tenants of our democracy is that when the public vote, and over 30 Million People voted in the referendum, there was a clear result, and i know it as a result that many people dont like, it is not a result i was happy with, but i accepted it and i think it is important that when there is a result, whether it is an election or referendum, the mps in parliament fulfil that mandate. Otherwise, what were getting now is people saying, and they are saying to me in my constituency, i will never vote again, there is no point because you people in westminster do not listen to what we want. Nicky morgan there. Quite an unusual position for somebody in a no deal cabinet. And of course the other party that really do want a referendum. Brexit is the liberal democrats. Yes, well, nicky morgan saying that. I think what is astonishing about that is that she said it publicly. Not that she may think that privately, because we know she was somebody who supported remain in the referendum and she has her own reluctance in terms of a no deal brexit. But she signed up to a cabinet which may go for a no deal brexit if borisjohnson cannot achieve a change in the deal with the European Union, unless parliament of course stops it if new laws come in. And so actually having her come out and say that is quite astonishing. She was backtracking afterward saying that she didnt support the idea of a referendum. But theres already been criticism of her. David lammy, the labour mp, has said that she put career progression before her constituents, country, and conscience. So some of the flavour of what people are saying about those comments. But yeah, at the same time we have the liberal democrats starting their conference today. And their message on brexit is very clear, it is about revoking article 50. It is about reversing brexit and they are hoping that that message will mean that they will pick up labour voters who are perhaps unhappy with labours more difficult and i suppose varied positions depending on who you ask in the labour party. And in the conservative party, remainers who may be unhappy with borisjohnsons direction. Lets go back to the David Cameron book that is out this week. Speaking while on a visit to bournemouth where her Party Conference is taking place ms swinson was asked if she believed it was wrong for mr cameron to call the referendum. There should not have been the referendum when it happened. We had a law said that if there was each treaty change there should be a referendum and there was no treaty change. He called a referendum and allowed a small amount of time for the campaign and put himself in a situation where he couldnt even make the key big strategic case for staying in the European Union. A catalogue of misjudgments by David Cameron got us into this mess and in particular that he was just cameron got us into this mess and in particular that he wasjust prepared to sacrifice the National Interest at the altar of what he felt was best for the conservative party. Lets talk to ed vesey who was cultured minister and lost the conservative weapon after voting against borisjohnsons conservative weapon after voting against Boris Johnsons government. Good to see you again. |j against Boris Johnsons government. Good to see you again. I apologise to your viewers for my dog. She is on the other side of the door behind me. She is quiet at the moment. Just to pick up jo me. She is quiet at the moment. Just to pick upjo swinson is point they are. Didnt David Cameron put his own party ahead of National Interest . Afraid of the right wing of the party and of the complacent and announcing the referendum without thinking through the consequences. People who say this was an internal party issue for the conservatives do have a point but they have to accept that whoever became Prime Minister would probably have had to promise a referendum and may have indeed believed a referendum was the right thing. May have wa nted referendum was the right thing. May have wanted to leave the European Union. If the conservative party was going to continue to form a government at some point, a referendum was going to happen. Secondly, you may criticise him for responding to the threat from the right wing to the conservatives but ukip were winning votes Something Like 4 million votes at the european election. They were a group of voters out there who were filling very passionately and strongly about oui very passionately and strongly about our motion of the European Union. I think a referendum would have been inevitable regardless of whether David Cameron called h. In terms of judgment, also David Cameron talks about demoting michael gove from education. Wasnt that another key mistake . Michael gove as you know for yea rs mistake . Michael gove as you know for years as a strongly eurosceptic and to then bruise his ego and he flipped to the other side when the referendum was called. |j flipped to the other side when the referendum was called. I wouldnt categorise it as a mistake but when history is written i think it is an important moment. Some viewers may think i am belittling what has been a major event in our countries history but any historian knows it isa mix history but any historian knows it is a mix of trains and individual personalities. I thought David Cameron did the right thing. Michael gove is my oldest friend in politics but i knew and although he carried out really important reforms he had lost a lot of support. I think david did the right thing of moving him on and brought him straight out into government after the election. It broke a bond between them and although i think michael gove would have supported leave anyway, i think he may have found thatjourney easier having felt that David Cameron had made the first move in terms of breaking the bond between them. David cameron also admits he was depressed and he was asked if he was depressed and he was asked if he was clinically depressed he said he was clinically depressed he said he was not on medication. How big it all has it taken on him and does he feel the anger that many people blame him dividing the country . |j think blame him dividing the country . think he is depressed because anyone who cares about the future of his country as i do as well are depressed to see the state we have got into. But i dont think he feels he did anything wrong and i dont think he should feel guilty about it. A refer