Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240714 : compa

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240714

Will take plans and steps to mitigate any of the consequences and over the course of the last six weeks the government has taken considerable steps to ensure that if there is no deal scenario that we can leave in the safest and smoothest possible way. And this mum says her 12 year old son has spent more than £3,000 on in game purchases and sometimes gets up in the middle of the night to play. Well talk to her about a new report by mps on what needs to be done to protect children from addictive gaming. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Is your child addicted to gaming . If so, how bad is it . We will talk about that later in the programme. Weve had so many m essa 9 es programme. Weve had so many messages from you about 0peration yellowhammer. You should not fall for this poor summary as being the real documents, in one tweet, and if thatis real documents, in one tweet, and if that is all they have, they are mooring competent and i thought they were. Haley says, is this the worst case . At least the government are preparing and labour has a new weapon. Stop scaremongering and let borisjohnson get on with getting us out of the eu. Dont forget many people think borisjohnson is right and back all the way. Paul says it is not the worst Case Scenario, the poor off will be the worst affected while thejohnson disaster capitalist chums are set to make 8 billion from brexit. It explains why the men of the people, borisjohnson and Jacob Rees Mogg are so keen. Wa ke and Jacob Rees Mogg are so keen. Wake up, public, they pay, we pay, they make. The cogs of business will run as before, says one tweet, so just will run as before, says one tweet, sojust enjoy will run as before, says one tweet, so just enjoy yourself and take a step off the hamster wheel for two days a week. Sean says, yellowhammer is so much worse than stated by the government. This government attend parliament to morrow. This is unbelievable. 0bviously parliament to morrow. This is unbelievable. Obviously we will talk much more about what this yellowhammer document says, so do send us your reaction. First, annita has the news. The government has been forced to release documents that say there could be Food Shortages and up to six months of disruption potentially affecting medical supplies in the event of a no deal brexit. The paper, codenamed yellowhammer, sets out contingency plans for what the government calls a reasonable worse Case Scenario. The shadow brexit secretary kier starmer is calling on parliament to be immediately recalled so that mps can scrutinise the documents and block no deal. The number of people investigated for rape who were later convicted has fallen to its lowest level since records began more than a decade ago. Figures seen by bbc news show there were fewer than 2,000 convictions across england and wales in the 12 months to the end of march, down by more than a quarter on the previous year. New figures show cancer survival in the uk is rising but still lagging behind other wealthy countries. A study in lancet 0ncology found rates were worse than australia, canada, denmark, ireland, new zealand and norway, which have similar healthcare systems. The government says cancer survival rates are at a record high. The race to design and build a new generation of Royal Navy Frigates has been won by a Consortium Led by babcock. The firm has been named preferred bidder for the £1. 25 billion contract for five type 31 warships. The deal secures hundreds ofjobs at rosyth in fife, where the ships will be assembled, with construction work spread between yards across the uk. Work is to begin by the end of 2019, with the first ships delivered in 2023. Top gear presenter Freddie Flintoff has said he is absolutely fine after an incident involving a three wheeled motorcycle. The ex england cricketer is understood to have run out of runway at elvington airfield near york while filming a race for the motoring show. The bbc understands he was unhurt and did not need medical attention. The author, jk rowling, has donated £15 million to support research into neurological conditions at a centre named after her mother who died from multiple sclerosis. The anne rowling regenerative neurology clinic at the university of edinburgh was established in 2010, and is named in memory of her mother, who died with the condition at the age of a5. Us first lady, melania trump, was trending on twitter after the president said shes got a son, before quickly interjecting that they had their son barron together. It was all in the context of vaping and a potential ban on flavoured vaping products in the us. President trump told a News Conference that the first lady has become concerned over the impact of vaping on young people. We cant have our youth be so affected, and im hearing it, and thatis affected, and im hearing it, and that is how the first lady got involved. Shes got a son, who is a beautiful young man, and she feels very strongly about it. She has seen it, we are both reading it, a lot of people are reading it, and people are dying through vaping, so we are looking at it very closely. Back to you, victoria. Herface did not change, but although, she probably is used to it. Ten years ago, the police in england and wales started keeping a record of the number of people being investigated for rape or other sexual offences. In the twelve months to march it reached 58,000. Thats the highest its ever been. But the number of people convicted has been falling. In that same 12 month period it fell by more than a quarter fewer than 2,000. The number charged with an offence has also fallen dramatically. If your case was dropped, let me know what reason you were given. If your case reached a successful conclusion, i. E. Your rapist was convicted what differnece has that made to your life . Max hill is the director of Public Prosecutions. Why the disparity . Iam quite i am quite sure it is a complex issue and im not here to point the finger at any other colleague or partner in the criminaljustice system. I am partner in the criminaljustice system. Iam here partner in the criminaljustice system. I am here to say that Everybody Needs to look at it. It is a fa ct Everybody Needs to look at it. It is a fact that we up the Crown Prosecution Service are receiving significantly fewer police investigations, specifically in the area of rape. It is also a fact that whilst i am sure the police are working harder, case by case, so are we at the cps and the one statistic i would add to what you have already mentioned is that when we do prosecute for rape, the percentage of convictions returned has gone up by over 5 in the last year, so it is not all bad news, but i do have a message to victims of Sexual Violence. If i were a victim of Sexual Violence, i would violence. If i were a victim of Sexual Violence, iwould be violence. If i were a victim of Sexual Violence, i would be worried by these figures and its very important, therefore, that i say do not be deterred, do not turn away from the criminaljustice system. Always bring your complaint to the police. You should have confidence that it will be properly and professionally looked at, even if the decision is not one you agree with at the end. In the final thing to say is, if you dont agree with the decision, use the victims right to review under which an independent, separate prosecutor will look at the decision that has been made. We are here to help. 0k, people will hear that message, victims of Sexual Violence will hear that message, and then look at the numbers and say, its all very well for you as director of Public Prosecutions to say do not be deterred, but what is the point when the numbers of people being charged is down, the number of people being convicted is significantly down, the lowest level for over a decade. As i say, a complex picture and we need to come together to look at it. We have committed to a cross government review. I will come back to that, but on that point, because you are addressed directly the victims of Sexual Violence, if they hear you and say what is the point, what you say to them . The point is that you should never suffer in silence and you should make sure that your case is looked at. That is what our specialist prosecutors exist to do. I have thousands of employees of the Crown Prosecution Service, but within that number i have hundreds of specialists who are dedicating their professional careers to be highly trained, to look at these cases. They come to work looking for cases. They come to work looking for cases to prosecute. 0f cases. They come to work looking for cases to prosecute. Of course they can only do that when the investigation is complete. 0f can only do that when the investigation is complete. Of course they are going to ask for more work to be done where it is incomplete and of course it doesnt follow that in every case they will be able to prosecute, but there has not been a change of policy on the part of the cps. We applied a code for crown prosecutors and where there is sufficient evidence, we prosecute. But if it is looked at and dropped, then as a victim of Sexual Violence, you will end up suffering in silence. You go through all of that stress, all that trauma of reliving what you say happened to you and thenit what you say happened to you and then it is dropped. Can you imagine that . Well, what i said is because im absolutely trying to put myself in the position of people who have suffered at the hands of others and i would say that in relation to all types of crime and that is why we have a victims right to review scheme and that is why we have committed to a cross government review in the area. That is why we will not be marking our own homework on that review and i have personally asked the chief inspector of the cps inspectorate to conduct the work, and we will abide by the results of that when it comes out by the end of this year. You referred a little earlier to the fact that the cps has not changed its approach to these types of cases. You are adamant about that, are you . Because you know that is the charge from the violence end violence against Women Coalition and the real reason is the figures are down because youve changed your approach and it is tougher and you say to yourself, is tougher and you say to yourself, isajury is tougher and you say to yourself, is a jury likely to convict . No, we will drop the case. It would be wrong to make a serious decision that impacts on somebodys life in that impacts on somebodys life in that sort of way, and we dont. As a matter of policy, we apply the same test to every type of crime, whether it is rape and Sexual Violence, or any other sort of crime. We go to the code for brown crown prosecutors which was rewritten and revised in october last year which sets out what we call the evidential stage test. Putting it shortly, is there sufficient evidence . Where there sufficient evidence . Where there is, we operate on the basis that a jury, anyjury will and should look at the case in an impartial, objective and reasonable way and that is the answer to the charge. I respect the constituency but they are wrong when they lay the blame at our dedicated prosecutors doors. We do not apply a bookmakers test. We dont look at case and say we dont think a jury will like it, therefore we even bother. That is not what rossi does get out of bed in the morning for. This text says my 13 year old daughter was drugged and raped by two men in their 20s. It took two years for the police and the cps to come to a decision. The case was dropped as my daughter could not remember two hours of that evening and may have given her consent. She was 13. These people live in a parallel universe. It has had a profound effect on my daughter. How does a lawyer and alleged victim of rape react to what the dppjust told us. Well how does a laywer and an alleged vicitm of rape react to that . Founding director of the centre for womens justice, harriet wistrich. And annie tisshaw, who says she was a victim of rape. I was raped when i was living on my own ina i was raped when i was living on my own in a flat and it was with a guy who hi had been out with before. Own in a flat and it was with a guy who hi had been out with beforem your case you went to the police in your case you went to the police in your case you went to the police in your case appear to be proceeding to trial, but it did not get to court. Why not . There were inconsistencies in the case which is how the police worded it to me. I reported it straightaway and straight after it happened i was told it was a positive case and i gave my phone over and i had done everything right that you should do and then at the end, nearly a year later, i was told there were inconsistencies in the case. The police had referred it to the Crown Prosecution Service, is my understanding. What we are told about the reasons for the case being dropped . It went to cps and they asked for more information and one of these was cctv. And one of the reasons it was dropped was because there was cctv from early on in the evening when i was on the date with the guy and i wasnt looking particularly scared or nervous or like there was anything wrong. Because nothing had happened . 0bviously, at that time, this was a quy 0bviously, at that time, this was a guy a trusted, a guy i had met before so at that time i didnt know this was going to happen. So, cctv images you believe influence the decision. What are the other inconsistencies . They also took my phone and Text Messages i had sent previously before the evening were brought up and again, like i said, this was a guy who i had been on a few dates with, who i did like, so again, that, to me, im not sure how thatis again, that, to me, im not sure how that is relevant. Everything that happened around it. Theres also a statement that was made kind of against me, a derogatory statement that discredited me as a witness. And the alleged rapist gave a statement saying you consented. Yes, he saidi statement saying you consented. Yes, he said i changed my mind and i consented. Let me bring in harriet, andi consented. Let me bring in harriet, and i will come back to you, annie, ina and i will come back to you, annie, in a moment. Some of those explanations for why this case may potentially have been dropped, how do you respond to them . This is in the field of myths and stereotypes around rate. For example, that if somebody is on a date with somebody but somehow they cannot be late, because theyve chosen to be out with somebody, obviously you could be having a very good and loving relationship and then be raped by somebody, so there nothing about the evidence of being seen looking happy on cctv or text exchanges that ought to undermine an allegation of rape. I cannot imagine a lawyer working for the cps seriously believing that cctv images from earlier in an evening before an alleged rape as a car saying, evening before an alleged rape as a carsaying, oh, evening before an alleged rape as a car saying, oh, that means she was not raped. What they might be thinking is about how this looks before a jury. Is that more about what is going on . What we are arguing in this legal challenge we are bringing against the Crown Prosecution Service is that they are now considering or taking into account potentially what jurors are going to think rather than looking at the facts objectively. Going to think rather than looking at the facts objectivelylj going to think rather than looking at the facts objectively. I will pause you there because we just heard maxfield from the director of Public Prosecutions, absolutely adamant that that is not the case max hill. They have not changed their approach, that is not part of their approach, that is not part of their thinking, they look at the evidence and take it forward on its merits. Theres a lot of questions i have to ask and we researched this case very thoroughly, so first of all the absolutely dramatic fall in the prosecution and conviction rate by the cps cannot be explained by the other explanations they give on its own. It is such a huge drop in what we have managed to document is that the cps, who had introduced an approach called the merit based approach called the merit based approach specifically to guard against the influence of myths and stereotypes in decision making, they have specifically deleted reference to it in all of their training material from their website and have instructed prosecutors not to make reference to it. Why would they do that . They have called it something else. Its exactly the same. Theyve always had a code for crown prosecutors but when rape prosecution started going up, this followed a period in which the cps deliberately introduced merit based approach and introduced Additional Guidance and training for prosecutors. Now that has been removed. Max hill says they are getting fewer referrals from the police. The reason we believe they are getting fewer referrals, and we believe this from evidence we are hearing from women and from rape crisis organisations working with women and from speaking to some police officers, is that they are now referring less cases to the cps because they know that they are taking a harsher approach. So in your case, annie, the police did refer it to the cps and then the decision was made not to proceed with the case. I want to ask you about another issue that is really important to you, if i may. You wa nted important to you, if i may. You wanted to speak to a counsellor or therapist about what happened to you as the police were investigating. What advice would you give in . as the police were investigating. What advice would you give in . I was told, and this is from the rape crisis centres, that i wasnt allowed counselling. I was only allowed counselling. I was only allowed pre trial therapy, which is described as limited counselling. Where youre not allowed to talk about what happened to you. Youre not allowed to include anything in your police notes, which obviously is what happened to you, because the therapist can be seen to be coaching

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