Today that he plans to stand as an independent if theres an election. Meanwhile, the governments Standing Firm about its decision to throw out the rebels. Many of the people who rebelled against the government are good people. I served in government with them, but they were told very clearly this was the consequence of their actions. That vote to trigger an election will take place this evening, but labour and the lib dems wont back it. So, what next . Also, this programme can reveal that 800 eu citizens have used the system set up in the wake of the windrush scandal to secure their status in the uk after brexit. Many have told us its because they dont trust the eu settlement scheme. I didnt want this to happen to another section of the community. What, we are going to have an italian windrush . Good morning. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. So, whos in charge . Opposition leaders ad backbench mps certainly for today what is your reaction to last nights events . You are aboslutely crucial because the pm wants to trigger a general election. He may not get it but thats what he wants. What do you think and what do you want . Email victoria bbc. Co. Uk or tweet us using the hastage victorialive. Lots of conversation to come. First the news with joanna. Good morning. A judge will rule today on whether borisjohnsons plan to shut down parliament for five weeks ahead of brexit is lawful. The case was brought to the court of session in edinburgh by a Cross Party Group of 75 parliamentarians, who argued the Prime Minister had exceeded his powers. The government says the issue should be a political, rather than a legal, one. The chancellor, sajid javid, will announce an additional £2 billion of brexit funding for whitehall when he sets out next years public Spending Plans later. Mrjavid will also confirm plans to increase spending on schools, hospitals, and the police. An independent report today says social care and prisons are the Public Services most in need. Reports from hong kong suggest the leader of the terrority, carrie lam, will today announce the formal withdrawal of the extradition bill. The controversial legislation was the catalyst which sparked three months of Anti Government demonstrations. The law would have allowed hong kong citizens to be sent for trial to mainland china. Rescuers have begun to reach areas of the northern bahamas devastated by hurricane dorian, with aerial images showing a trail of destruction. Seven people have been killed, but the countrys Prime Minister says that figure is expected to rise. The storm has moved away from the archipelago, but still threatens the east coast of the united states. That is the summary for now, back to victoria. Another extraordinary day in the commons ahead, with mps due to vote on a bill which aims to stop a no deal, followed by an attempt by the government to call an election for october which needs a two thirds majority in parliament. Meanwhile, 21 tory mps have been chucked out of the party, leaving borisjohnsons government well short of a majority in parliament. Lets get reaction to last nights events and talk thourgh what could happen in the next 24 48 hours with three conservative mps. Andrew bridgen, who is loyal to borisjohnson. Sir roger gale who has concerns about a no deal brexit but voted with the government last night. And Richard Benyon, a former minster who voted against and has been thrown out of the tory party. Explain to your audience how that happened, it is a text or a phone call or a tap on the shoulder . Im meeting on meeting with the Prime Minister yesterday, he made it clear that if we voted the way i did it was inconsistent with being a member of the Parliamentary Party so i was not surprised when i got an apologetic telephone call from my very nice whip to say this was likely to happen. What words did they use . He said, im sure you know why im calling and im sure youre aware that if you vote against the government tonight you will have the whip withdrawn. That was an hour or so whip withdrawn. That was an hour or so before . Yes, and then the chief whip rang me afterwards and said that id had the whip withdrawn. How do you feel about that . To be honest, i feel better today than i felt for the last few days when ive been in, i suppose, felt for the last few days when ive been in, isuppose, a felt for the last few days when ive been in, i suppose, a fair amount of turmoil. Im not by nature a rebel, i have been a serial loyalist. There are members of the cabinet, members of the party who have been serial rebels and have done so without a murmur. Idid rebels and have done so without a murmur. I did not find it easy and it was only relatively close to the vote that i decided to vote the way idid. Vote that i decided to vote the way i did. How do you think number 10 have handled all of this . i did. How do you think number 10 have handled all of this . I think it has been handled appallingly. I think the fact that you have at the heart of numberio think the fact that you have at the heart of number 10 is the Prime Ministers Senior Adviser and unelected foul mouth oaf throwing his weight around is completely unacceptable. I think if the Prime Minister does not have Dominic Cummings, the man im talking about, frogmarched out of downing street itself, then the chances are it will not be the tory rebels, as they are called, it will not be mr corbyn but mrcummings who will called, it will not be mr corbyn but mr cummings who will bring down this administration. Do you really believe that . Yes, i believe it is a very dangerous situation it has to stop why do you describe it as a foul mouthed oaf . Stop why do you describe it as a foul mouthed oaf . The stop why do you describe it as a foul mouthed oaf . The way he has treated some of those who have courteously tried to make their case to the Prime Minister in the last few days i believe ive had this from the horses mouth, to be utterly disgraceful. When people like mr clarke, conservative mp and former minister, one of the most courteous men, finds himself subjected to abuse, i believe that has gone too far and has got to stop. And if nobody does something about it, the 1922 committee. What kind of abuse for greg clarke . He was swoiii kind of abuse for greg clarke . He was sworn at and told that people like him are not relevant to the conservative party and this is a project and its got to go through. Im sorry, that is not the way the conservative party, not the party i joined, does its politics and it has got to stop. Do you agree with that, that it has been handled appallingly and that kind of abuse has to stop and that kind of abuse has to stop and that kind of abuse has to stop and that Dominic Cummings, the top aide to borisjohnson com should be frogmarched out of downing street question and with that but there is no place or a need for abuse. This is purely about the future of our country and the politics of the conservative party. Unfortunately what we have in the conservative party is some mps who have never come to terms with the referendum result in 2016 and some of the same people have not come to terms with the fact that Boris Johnson got an overwhelming mandate with our membership only a few weeks ago for the policy is now pursuing deposit when you voted three times against mrs mays Withdrawal Agreement, you were against mrs mays Withdrawal Agreement, you were not chucked out or deselected and did not have the whip withdrawn. That is unfair, isnt it . No, because there is a huge difference between voting against a specific government policy and voting to take the governments power away from the register and give it to somebody else. You voted down three times the government flagship policy that youre then promised id spent three years working towards. I did not vote to give power to the opposition to legislate. You rejected her flagship policy and got rid of her. What were talking about is something that is absolutely unconstitutional, supported byjohn absolutely unconstitutional, supported by john bercow, absolutely unconstitutional, supported byjohn bercow, the speaker, who is ripped every page of impartiality away from the rule book. Governments are under our constitution and they bring forward legislation and they are held to account at general elections for the legislation they bring forward and support put up what we are seeing in this parliament is legislation being brought forward by opposition parties. How can the cup and be held to account for that . Does not support it or bring it forward. You and some of your colleagues have taken away the Prime Ministers negotiating hand, you have chopped the legs from underneath him and he said that it in his attempts to get a deal to leave the eu. The conundrum i had yesterday was that ifi conundrum i had yesterday was that if i took this action, was i going to do that . What the Prime Ministers opportunity to meet and others was to convince us that the article, for example, in the telegraph was untrue to say that we are flat out and we still believe there is a million to one chance, his words, that we will be able to leave with a deal. Yesterday i was left with the awful feeling that all the attempts to find a deal are at best perfunctory. I represent an area where there are people who work ina great area where there are people who work in a great many areas of the economy like all of us, and it will not be People Like Us and you will be to any great degree by no deal, it will be the people who will at least be able to deal with it. At the end of the day, youve got to make a decision and youve got to stand up for what you believe. I want us to leave the European Union. I am now a lever, i was a remainer but im a democrat and i respect the result of the referenda but i was also elected ona the referenda but i was also elected on a manifesto to leave in an audit fashion. You wrote on the 1st of april, i do not believe that no deal isa april, i do not believe that no deal is a responsible answer to our situation. Yet you voted with the government last night. Are you going to vote with the government today . Youre not going to block no deal . |j youre not going to block no deal . shall do. Those things match. I have taken the view that it would be bad for the country for our security and economy, to leave without a deal. I wa nt economy, to leave without a deal. I want a deal. But even i come out supported jeremy hunt in the leadership campaign. His full back position, even though he wanted a deal, was that, at the end of the day, we are all democrats and we have to accept that the country has takena have to accept that the country has taken a decision will suffer fallback position, the endgame, is to be no deal. If you take that off the table, and this is not an exact science and i have a great deal of sympathy with what Richard Hazard said, but if you take that off the table, you do weaken the negotiating patient what richard has said. Evenif patient what richard has said. Even if people believe that, what if you end up with no deal . You describe it as irresponsible so it would you bear responsibility . have to, i am elected representative. How would you sleep at night . Difficulty but at night . With great difficulty but lets see when push comes to shove. There is a limited amount of time left and im still hopeful that between now and october the 315t it may be possible to deliver a deal. If that proves not to be the case thenl if that proves not to be the case then i reserve my position. Im on then i reserve my position. Im on the cusp. Of what . Of where i position myself within the party politics. You mean you might cross the floor or stand out . politics. You mean you might cross the floor or stand out . I would never cross the floor but i have devoted over 50 years of my life to the conservative party and i find it frankly appalling that people like richard, a superb minister, and i we nt richard, a superb minister, and i went into the house with in 1983, who have devoted their lives to puttick some have been treated in the way they are and it is very sad indeed to politics. Im afraid it is an indication of the past which conservative politics has come to that we come to this position. conservative politics has come to that we come to this position. I can hear your quiet and yet fierce angen hear your quiet and yet fierce anger. What are you are considering in terms of your own position . Standing down . I reserve that position. I respect that answer possible after just 42 position. I respect that answer possible afterjust 42 days, your Prime Minister is not in control. Are you impressed . Prime minister is not in control. Are you impressed . We are in a parliament that is overwhelmingly remain, out of step with the minister. The prime and it is showing leadership. Let me finish. The poll ratings, not only am i impressed with the country is impressed. We have lifted 12 points in the polls since borisjohnson became Prime Minister. And since that he has lost your conservative majority, lost control of parliament, lost control of the Brexit Process, youre not telling me that was the cunning plan all along . What you talked about earlier was the negotiation. Was that the strategy . That is the place he has been put in by a parliament that is overwhelmingly remain. He is committed to get us out of the European Union, to fulfil the mandate we were given and you are right, these current negotiations are a complete sham because while parliament is doing the eusjob for eight of undermining the negotiating position and threatening to bring down the government, of course the eu will never give any sensible renegotiations forward. Getting rid of former cabinet ministers, including former chancellors, Winston Churchills grandson, is a good look for the tory party right now . At the end of the day, it is about party discipline. It would be about party discipline. It would be a purge if those people were not told in advance that this is a confidence issue and if you vote against the government you will lose the whip. When the Prime Minister has said that, he has to follow through. He is a man who likes to keep his word. If he gets a deal on the backstop is amended, would you vote for it . I would take a long and pragmatic look at whatever deal he comes back with but i will make it clear that there is far more than just the backstop that is wrong with the current Withdrawal Agreement and i would rather leave on a gap 24 agreement. If it is only the backstop that is tweaked or amended. Going to comment. Said you will not vote for it to other things that you are concerned about are not. The continued jurisdiction of European Court of justice. Which means you face deselection like Richard Benyon . We will cross that bridge when we get to it. It would be fair if you also deselected if you voted against borisjohnson . Deselected if you voted against Boris Johnson . Lets say what the whips say. You think they will treat you differently differently because youre a brexiteer . you differently differently because youre a brexiteer . I dont think so possible if i put to take powers away from the government and bit to the opposition, i would lose the whip. If you voted against Boris Johnsons deal if he came back with one you would expect to be chucked out . I would take a long and pragmatic look at whatever deal comes back but we will not get a deal from the eu while parliament is doing the eus job deal from the eu while parliament is doing the eusjob for it and undermining the Prime Minister threatening to bring the government down. I think we are heading for a general election. What are you going to do . I will sit where i have a lwa ys to do . I will sit where i have always sat in parliament and to support the Prime Ministers energetic domestic agenda and i hope that in time i will be able to continue as a conservative mp but if i cant, is really not about me. Just so im clear, youre going to continue sitting as a conservative mp even though youve effectively been chucked out . Yes, you will not see me sit in a different place, or any of my colleagues. We were elected as conservative mps. We will speak in debates, i will vote with the government on every occasion that i can and i will try to support the Prime Ministers very admirable domestic agenda on issues like Climate Change which i have campaigned for. Why are you still doing that when have treated you appallingly . Because this is not about me, victoria, not about Richard Benyon or even ken clarke and nicholas soames. This is about this country, the people we represent. On the grade of awfulness, if this is no deal brexit, a corbyn led government is out of all proportion worse. What an extreme out of all proportion worse. What an extre m e left out of all proportion worse. What an extreme left cabal of trotskyists we re extreme left cabal of trotskyists were due to the life chances are people in my constituency and the businesses they work in and the aspirations they have is out of all proportion more awful. That is where you might be heading because although your Prime Minister says he does not want an election, he is going to seek one. There is a tradition in british politics, when the government runs out of majority, you have an election. In time, whether it is this week, next week, next month or next year, there will bea next month or next year, there will be a general election. Very briefly you sa