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Who says she was a victim of a serious Sexual Assault, but the investigation was dropped after two years because she refused to hand over her phone. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Take a look at this. Record temperatures are set to hit most of the uk this week this is the map for thursday. And tonight is predicted to be the hottest night on record. So what are your tips for keeping cool . Heres mine and its pretty good freeze your hot Water Bottles thats what i do, you put them under the sheets before you get in bed and it is lovely. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victorialive. If you text, youll be charged at the Standard Network rate. First Lukwesa Burak has the news. Thank you, joanna. Within the next two hours, the countrys next Prime Minister will be announced as the conservative leadership contest concludes. Borisjohnson is the clear favourite over his rival, the foreign secretary jeremy hunt. But mrjohnson could see ministerial resignations before he even enters downing street, as several cabinet members say they cant support his do or die pledge to leave the eu by the end of october. Labours governing body will today consider proposals to speed up the partys process for dealing with complaints of anti semitism. Jeremy corbyn wants a new panel to be able to expel members in extreme cases. But although his proposal has the backing of the shadow cabinet, it has been criticised by some who say it would give the leaders allies too much power. More than 13,000 disabled people are to get benefit back payments. The work and pensions secretary, amber rudd, said each claimant would receive {a05 for every month they had been on universal credit. It follows a High Court Ruling that they were discriminated against because theyd lost a top up payment. The Information Commissioners Office has expressed concern about the so called digital strip searching of victims of crime thats when phones and mobile devices are examined for evidence relevant to an investigation. The National Police Chiefs Council says it believes that taking devices from alleged victims helps in the search for relevant material, but it will consider the concerns raised. A charity has warned that babies lives are being put at risk because there arent enough newborn screening checks for rare but Serious Health conditions. While many european nations offer 20 checks or more, in britain babies are screened for only nine conditions, while in northern ireland, screening is limited to five. The Genetic Alliance uk wants fundamental reform of the system. A stuntman has suffered serious head injuries while filming fast furious 9 in hertfordshire. The latest movie in the franchise, which stars vin diesel, was being filmed at the warner bros studios when the incident took place. Production has been halted until further notice. Facebook has confirmed that a flaw with its messaging app for users aged under 13 meant children came into contact with unapproved strangers. Messenger kids was launched in 2017 and intended to be a safe space for children. But a design flaw made it possible for unathorised users who may have been adults to join group chats. Facebook says the flaw was fixed immediately and no complaints received. Those are your news stories, back to joanna. Thank you very much. In less than two hours time, well know who is going to be moving into number ten downing street to take over as our Prime Minister. Jeremy hunt and borisjohnson have been trying to persuade conservative members to give them their vote for the last few weeks and, today, one of them will be crowned tory leader. Weve spent the Campaign Race talking to some of the younger tory activists around the country and well be speaking to some of them again shortly. But first lets talk to conservative mp chris philp who initially backed home secretary sajid javid but voted for borisjohnson once mrjavid had been knocked out of the race. Good morning, thank you forjoining us. Good morning, thank you forjoining us. Are you confident it will be borisjohnson . Us. Are you confident it will be Boris Johnson . You can never be certain in politics but i think it is very likely boris will win. The tory party has a working majority of two, there is a by election in two weeks which is expected to be won by the liberal democrats, which will further shrink that working majority, so does a new leader therefore not need to build a consensus, and will borisjohnson be able to do that when he has basically sent a message saying if you do not support a no deal brexit, you do not support a no deal brexit, you cant serve in my cabinet . You do not support a no deal brexit, you cant serve in my cabinet . On the by election i think it will be close, but i would tell People Living there to vote for the conservative candidate to deliver a government. I dont want you to campaign now for that but you have a wafer thin majority, will Boris Johnson be a leader, if he wins, who can build consensus . johnson be a leader, if he wins, who can build consensus . I think he can, he has already been eating one to one in the last few days with some existing cabinet ministers who have expressed concerns, people like david gauke, rory stewart and philip hammond, soi david gauke, rory stewart and philip hammond, so i think by dipping that before he has been elected he is demonstrating a willingness to listen and a desire to forge consensus. As listen and a desire to forge consensus. As you listen and a desire to forge consensus. As you said, with virtually no majority, we need to stick together to get this done because i fear that the labour party, the lib dems, the snp, will play games with the brexit issue, as they have over the last year also, rather than trying to constructively deliver the decision to the british people. On what is happening within your own party, you mention Boris Johnson much rory stewart to ask if he would be willing to serve in his cabinet, rory stewart said i was not quite sure he remembered who i was. Isaidi quite sure he remembered who i was. I said i was the one in the leadership race he was not in favour ofa leadership race he was not in favour of a no deal brexit, he seems disappointed and surprised by this. I was not in that meeting, not a fly on the wall, so i cannot comment on what was said. Boris would like to leave the European Union with a deal which protects trading both directions, but we should acknowledge that if it is not possible to reach a sensible agreement with the European Union which, sadly, so far has not been possible, the only alternative is to leave with no deal or have another referendum, and given we have had one already, i dont see the purpose in another. It logically follows that if you want to respect the referendum result and cant reach a sensible deal, the only alternative is sleeping with no deal, but i imagine that between now and october 31 imagine that between now and october 3 we will enormously step up preparations for the no directed, including discussing with the eu how it would work in practice, while at the same time trying to secure improvements to the existing deal. That is lots to pack into three months which has not been turning three years, and we hear the optimism that it can be gender. Brexit on october the 31st, do or die raid, says borisjohnson, while saying there is a million to one chance of us leaving with no deal. It cannot be both of those . We have to prepare for both eventualities. I would hope that when he talks to the European Commission and explains what changes are needed to make the Withdrawal Agreement work, i hope they respond constructively and positively, what we are asking for is completely reasonable but we have to prepare and be ready for the fact that if they will not make some reasonable, sensible changes, we had to be prepared for a no deal exit. So simultaneously pursuing both of those parts and seeing which one to ta ke those parts and seeing which one to take it sensible, because time is very short. There is not time to do it sequentially, we have to do both together, prepare for no deal and try to strike a sensible deal. Houses here guarantee to deliver leaving on the 31st of october, potentially with no deal, when there is no parliamentary majority for that, there are already cabinet members, sir alan duncan, that, there are already cabinet members, siralan duncan, resigning from the government, others are lining up to do that, including chancellor philip hammond, saying they would be prepared to vote against the government to block a no deal brexit, it cant be guaranteed . We should bear in mind and exit with or without a deal on 0ctober and exit with or without a deal on october 3 is baked into primary legislation, we have triggered article 50, past the European Union withdrawal act 2018, it is in primary legislation we will leave and the only other way you can do thatis and the only other way you can do that is with primary legislation, so it is not clear to me that it is especially straightforward for parliament to prevent a no deal exit in any case, but i would say to people like philip and others you have mentioned, we had a referendum, three years and a month ago, the British Public took a decision to leave, it was not even if we can do a good deal or if it looks like it will be ok, we will leave, full stop, and we should respect that. We will probably spend another treatment is trying to expand on this so parliament will accepted, but if after three years and four months of trying to get a deal that is sensible and parliament will pass,if is sensible and parliament will pass, if it does not prove possible, there is no alternative but to leave. We want to speak to a temporary Party Activists who have voted in this contest. I want to ask about the kippers, borisjohnson saying eu red tape has. Extra costs on clipper producers, it turns out not to be true and it is down to the uk food standards agency. Does it worry you that potentially a new Prime Minister got Something Like that so wrong at this time . If im honest, i am that so wrong at this time . If im honest, iam not that so wrong at this time . If im honest, i am not familiar with the details of kipper regulation. Provides neither was he, he will potentially be our next Prime Minister and he said it was a reason we should be leaving. I represent croydon south, which is not big on the kipper industry. If we are outside the European Union, there are eu regulations affecting a whole range of different areas which we will not necessarily be bound by u nless we will not necessarily be bound by unless we choose, that would enable us unless we choose, that would enable us to create a more competitive environment for British Business if it turns out that is what we would like to do. We might choose to accept that regulations in exchange for lower trade barriers, but that will be a sovereign choice that the uk makes at its discretion rather than be enforced on us, as it is currently. I think that is the general point and he is right to make it. We are about to speak to ten members of the wider conservative party, two are under 18 because they can vote under tory party rules, they have had a say on who will be the next Prime Minister. Already there have been questions around the democracy of this, with the new minister being voted by such a strong constituency, what is your view that people have voted who could not vote in a general election . The conservative party, like any political party, is an organisation, it is different to a public collection. I think it is great that our membership numbers are growing up, able reported a year 01 so ago are growing up, able reported a year or so ago at being 120,000, i think i saw or so ago at being 120,000, i think isawa or so ago at being 120,000, i think i saw a figure saying it is now 180,000, labour membership, while higher, is declining. 180,000 people participated, i think it is a healthy exercise. It was not long ago when the Prime Minister of either party was chosen behind closed doors in a smoke filled room, iand closed doors in a smoke filled room, i and delighted it is 180,000 members making the choice, democracy in action. Chris philp, thank you. We find out the result at 11 a5am. Were joined now by ten conservative activists. Tukeer hussain is from birmingham and backed jeremy hunt. 17 year old Soutiam Goodarzi is from leeds and backing borisjohnson. And from all over the country we have hasnain ahmed, bhav popat, holly wright and luke bancroft who are backing jeremy hunt. While matthew stanbra, jayde edwards, drusilla summers and dr anwara ali are supporting borisjohnson. Welcome, all, thank you forjoining us. Welcome, all, thank you forjoining us. I would like from each of you just a pity sentence or string of words, however you feel you can best define what you want out of this, what your man will do. Here we have teamed Boris Johnson 19 jeremy hunt, lets come to you, matthew four borisjohnson, what do you want to deliver . Leaving the eu, doordie raid. The infirm and sticking to every policy he presents in parliament. Being firm. Delivering brexit on time and putting forward a compassionate, positive and modern vision for the country and party. Unite the country and defeatjeremy country and party. Unite the country and defeat Jeremy Corbyn. Leaving the eu on the 31st of october and bringing back conservatism to the conservative party. An actual economic plan. A United Kingdom for all of us and securing the future for the young. Being pragmatic and taking decisions properly and making the matter. Stability and a plan. Backin the matter. Stability and a plan. Back in business. A very different message on both sides, undecided is very much about leaving the eu by october 31, are you confident he can do that . On this site it is very much about. Absolutely. There is no parliamentary majority, it has titres in not. As mayor he was very successful. They make the same criticism of him at that time that he was very successful, we had the lowest crime rate in london under his mayorship, he delivered 100,000 homes more ten livingston, he defeated ken livingstone, a veteran labour politician, everybody said he could not do it. But can he pull a rabbit out of a hat and get a better deal with europe, or is itjust that he will take us out, come what may . I dont think he is irresponsible, he will be very responsible, but the eu has also seen we now have a new leader, a new Prime Minister, they will have to open negotiations again and come to a deal, they do not want no deal as much as we do not. Boris has said there will be a deal, he is working behind the scenes, he is using his contacts in europe. You wa nt using his contacts in europe. You want a deal and you hope you can deliver . No deal should be an option, all option should be on the table. Are you confident of a deal . I think table. Are you confident of a deal . Ithinka table. Are you confident of a deal . I think a deal is more likely when iio i think a deal is more likely when no deal is on the table and the eu see 110 no deal is on the table and the eu see no deal is a threat. If we prepare for that, which i think borisjohnson will, the eu is more likely to see a thread and open negotiations to prevent that. Would you all be fully supportive of a no deal brexit on october 31 . All absolutely. Forjeremy no deal brexit on october 31 . All absolutely. For jeremy hunt no deal brexit on october 31 . All absolutely. Forjeremy hunt i was hearing words like an actual economic plan, unity, pragmatism, stability . Tell us more about why you think that is important . stability . Tell us more about why you think that is important . I think boris is being absolutely farcical in his approach, through the whole leadership campaign, what we saw from jeremy hunt is policy after policy after policy, tested and designed for an actual government. Boris is about rhetoric. They both had magic many trees. But rhetoric isa had magic many trees. But rhetoric is a key boris technique and it will not get out of europe. The dangers of no deal brexit are not coming across as detrimental as they are, people are resigning over this, these are serious things that are not being taken into account. Picking up on the themes of pragmatism and stability, how do you see it, holly . Boris johnson is pragmatism and stability, how do you see it, holly . Borisjohnson is all about do or die raid, that is not what the country needs or wants. It is very irresponsible to say no deal ordie, is very irresponsible to say no deal or die, i would is very irresponsible to say no deal or die, iwould be happy with is very irresponsible to say no deal or die, i would be happy with a no deal brexit but i thinkjeremy hunt is the more realistic, pragmatic approach. He would be the better prepared politician to deal with it, if it came to it. Luke, you are nodding, are you all happy with no deal brexit . Are nodding, are you all happy with Nodeal Brexit . I think at this point we need to honour the referendum, if it means leaving with iio referendum, if it means leaving with no deal it should be done, regardless. When we voted in the referendum we had no idea how brexit would pan out, what would happen if we left, people have been saying what if, we had survived so far. I think no deal is a viable option which should not be taken off the table. Why support it jeremy hunt, then . You should be in this camp i was undecided until the final two candidates, i watched another first we st candidates, i watched another first West Midlands hustings, jeremy hunt premiere away, how he answered each question, he had an answer for everything, he knew his facts, he was talking to the people rather than avoiding the question, he knew what he was talking about and he won me over. Lots of people are getting in touch, you are in the 160, 180,000 who get to vote, people commenting on that, democracy, british style, 160,000 select the leader of the nation, it is a time for true democracy and an honest, countable for true democracy and an honest, cou nta ble system. For true democracy and an honest, countable system. Another dealer says that a win for borisjohnson is a winfor says that a win for borisjohnson is a win for the lib dems, having voted conservative all my life i will not vote for him. Shame on the conservative party, how they treated theresa may. Another dealer says boris has been elected by the party bet he has not been elected yet, we will find out those who do not support him should resign as they do not believe in democracy, same goes for all other parties. Another text says i do not care who it is as long as they take us out of the eu on october 31 and shed Jeremy Corbyn up. Margaret says how can it be democratic to have to unelected Prime Minister is undemocratic to have a second referendum . Luke and soutiam, you are 17 and 16, i was talking with the mp about the fact you can vote in this but not nhl real election, how do you feel about the responsibility on your shoulders . But not in a general election. I have joined a political party, icampaign election. I have joined a political party, i campaign every weekend, i and active on social media, i know my factions have about politics over the two years i have been involved, s0 the two years i have been involved, soi the two years i have been involved, so i think i have taken the time to learn about politics i know my fa cts learn about politics i know my facts and i have been active about politics. That is not necessarily true with the wider 16 and 17 year old population. The number of 15, 16 and 17 year olds who join Political Parties is so low that you can dismiss the number of votes, it would not make a difference to who becomes Prime Minister. So i dont see it being a problem at all. I wouldnt mind if they increase the over 18, i wouldnt mind if they dont, i dont it matters. Over 18, i wouldnt mind if they dont, i dont it matters. Luke . It isa dont, i dont it matters. Luke . It is a huge responsibility, i set for about 20 minutes deciding, but at the same time, like you said, we are into politics, we pay a keen interest everyday so we know enough to make an informed decision about what we believe is right. We are not just picking the Prime Minister but who we think and lead the party, thatis who we think and lead the party, that is what we are voting for. On the numbers game, because it will be that because of the figures in parliament at the end, a very slim majority for the new leader. We heard from one person saying they will vote lib Boris Johnson heard from one person saying they will vote lib borisjohnson wins, you think we potentially had for a general election if Boris Johnson wins, with some of his party threatening to vote against the party to stop no deal . We have heard about the Rebel Alliance with people like david gauke and the current chancellor. Boris is a naturally divisive figure and will split the party, it will most likely cause a general election, or some sort of disruption, because we are on a knife edge, something has to give. If it is a boris premiership, the conservative party will get. |j if it is a boris premiership, the conservative party will get. I dont think it is a guarantee of a general election, although some mps and those in the party have threatened to vote against the government, when it comes down to it i think most will consider the repercussions for that for the country as well as the party, it is notjust the party, it is the uk and it would be irresponsible tojust is the uk and it would be irresponsible to just throwaway everything we could achieve for the countryjust because everything we could achieve for the country just because of, everything we could achieve for the countryjust because of, and i ages because of, brexiters a big issue, but it is not the be all and end all and it is more important we get on with brexit and deliver on other issues like mental health, housing and education, so i dont think when it to it hit would be as many as people are making out at the moment. It stands good in the headlines but i dont think it is a chew reflection, but if we went to a general election i think Boris Johnson could campaign well. Jeremy hunt has shown, when it comes to bringing up stuff along the lines of fox hunting, he does not know. Boris is farmer keen when it comes to campaigning strongly and winning the elections. But when i was talking to lots of conservative voters in the run up to the last election he said that unless brexit is achieved they will never vote for the conservatives again. The core base of the conservative party, the people we need to turn out to win elections will not go near as if we cant deliver brexit, jeremy hunt has said he will delight brexit if he has to, we have had a long delay already, how long will it take . Boris has a certificate of brexit by christmas . It would be a great christmas . It would be a great Christmas Present that i would rather have it, do or die raid, 31st of october, like parasites. You two are the only out of the ten com pletely are the only out of the ten completely opposed to no deal brexit . I work in finance and lots of people have said it will be disastrous for us to bring people from the uk, we need to be careful about what businesses want. Boris has an image with business already that he does not show confidence. Businesses feel unaware of what he will do, withjeremy businesses feel unaware of what he will do, with jeremy hunt, businesses feel unaware of what he will do, withjeremy hunt, at least he is giving the image and the confidence that people will back him, he is an entrepreneur, he wants to back businesses and it gives them confidence. He wants to deliver brexit and get a deal done. We have an hourand 20 brexit and get a deal done. We have an hour and 20 minutes or so until we find out, i want to wrap up with more comments from viewers, and on an estate with borisjohnson as Prime Minister i am leaving the country, i wantjeremy hunt. Another anonymous text says people keep comparing boris with churchill but not mention his key ability with words, boris shares that, and humour, he sees the funny side, which is a gloomy lifting thing. Another anonymous text, we want jeremy hunt, not boris, this is our country, not a game of chance. Another anonymous one, i will never vote for conservatives ever, bring a nigel farage. Paul on twitter says i would prefer the uk public to elect oui would prefer the uk public to elect our next pm, hashtag general election now. We will come back to you later as we countdown to the result of the tory leadership contest. Still to come. Well discuss why campaigners are calling for a change to what they call digital strip searches, where the victim of a crime is asked to give their phone to police. And well speak to the scientists who believe improving the uks Health Screening programme for newborns could help at least a thousand babies a year who go on to develop life changing conditions. Next this morning, were speaking to a mum of two who was wrongly diagnosed with Breast Cancer. 28 year old sarah boyle was put through chemotherapy, which saw her lose most of her hair, and then underwent a bilateral mastectomy the surgical removal of both breasts. Doctors only realised their error, and that she didnt have cancer, several months later injuly 2017, by which point the damage was already done. We can speak now to sarah boyle shes here with her eight month old son louis, and sarah sharples, her lawyer, with irwin mitchell. Thank you both very much forjoining us. Thank you both very much forjoining us. He seems incredibly well behaved, lovely to have him on. Sarah, it is unimaginable what you have been through, to have gone through the trauma of the diagnosis, the surgery and then to discover you never had Breast Cancer. How have you been coping with that . never had Breast Cancer. How have you been coping with that . I am very much still in the whole process of grief, anger, fear, sadness. At the moment there is not a way of coping, it is just taking each day and battling whichever emotion has been thrown at me. Of course. Was there a sense when you find out that you don this rather never have known . actually said that, i would have much preferred them to say you have done it, well done, all those months of treatment, it would have been worth it. Because now you are faced with dealing with the frustration and the anger. Take us back to how the diagnosis came about. What happened . I was feeding tettey, he was six months old and he was great, he naturally just was six months old and he was great, he naturallyjust latched on. I was feeding fares. It was fantastic. When he was about six months old he just stopped feeding on one side and became really distressed, i had known about the slump and i thought i would get it checked. For some time you had had a lump but you had been told again and again it has nothing to worry about. And it would fluctuate with hormones and sides, andi fluctuate with hormones and sides, and i got it checked out. He is going to fall asleep i was fast tracked and it all happened really quickly. It went from there, really. As you say, you had louiss older brother, who was just a baby, as you say, you had louiss older brother, who wasjust a baby, so as you say, you had louiss older brother, who was just a baby, so you we re brother, who was just a baby, so you were dealing with a newborn baby and going through the treatment, it must have been incredibly hard. Going through the treatment, it must have been incredibly hardm going through the treatment, it must have been incredibly hard. It is a suffering that no mother should have to go through when they have. We we re to go through when they have. We were quite newlyweds with our honeymoon baby, everything was perfect. It was perfect. And it is just an explosion that goes off. So how long did the treatment go on for . I had eight cycles, one every three weeks, and the month following, when my blood had recovered again, i had my bilateral mistake to me. I was diagnosed in november 2016 and i had my treatment finished on the 23rd of may to thousand 17. When did you then discover you havent had the cancer . It was a follow up check. It all led up to today, really. Its and bits and bits. Moore has been emerging. So with the initial checkup you were told, great news. You have beaten cancer, you are told, great news. You have beaten cancer, you are in told, great news. You have beaten cancer, you are in the clear. No, i was called in. We found no cancer. Theres been a terrible mistake. Was called in. We found no cancer. Theres been a terrible mistake. see. Its ok. Sorry. I might need you. See. Its ok. Sorry. I might need you to see. Its ok. Sorry. I might need you. Todo see. Its ok. Sorry. I might need you to do somejuggling. See. Its ok. Sorry. I might need you to do some juggling. Its understandable, its confusing for him as well in the big studio. So youre told obviously you didnt cancer, you hadnt ever added. How did you react in that moment . Its a mixture because i thought, well have i beaten it . Has it gone, is that what they mean so my brain latched onto that, ive beaten cancer, i dont have cancer, its fantastic and my husband are saying, no, you dont have cancer, youve never had cancer. Yeah, so, its like, since then, ive been told im dealing with post Traumatic Stress disorder s0 with post Traumatic Stress disorder so one with post Traumatic Stress disorder so one of the main things is brain just doesnt understand that situation. Hits ok. Its ok, thats fine, thank you very much. So where you are now then. Nothing can put right what youve been through and youre continuing to go through. Mentally, i still cant get my head around it. I lie there at night time and all ofa around it. I lie there at night time and all of a sudden, i get that wave of fear, thinking, is it going to come back . But then im reminded that nothing is going to come back because you dont have it but for all that time, when you are told you have cancer, and you are having your treatment and you are feeling ill and youre not with your children, your hair is falling out in the bath, all those traumatic things. You cant raise that. Thats something that will be for the rest of my life, especially when i look in the mirrorand of my life, especially when i look in the mirror and i see my scars. Do you have plenty of support through this . What is getting you through . Im in no mans land. One of the main things that actually i was saying to your researchers, there is no support after cancer. Ive been referred to a cancer site quality tea m referred to a cancer Site Quality Team but its not cancer psychology that i need. You are in may be not a com pletely that i need. You are in may be not a completely unique situation but i imagine ina completely unique situation but i imagine in a tiny group of people. Really, this is what im hoping, that someone comes to me, contact me and says i can help you. Because theyve been through it . Because at theyve been through it . Because at the minute i dont have anybody, theres nobody i can talk to and i dont want to talk to a Breast Cancer psychologist because i dont have Breast Cancer, i dont need to accept anything. But she is great. Of course and what youre saying is, you are with something that is beyond the realm of what most people have experienced and you want to find someone that can understand that. And i think a lot of people find that husbands and partners, so lonely, my husband has contacted several people and said, i need help and support and they said, our duty is not to care for you. Our duty of ca re is not to care for you. Our duty of care is not to you, stephen, its to your wife and so his thinking, who is there for me, what do i do . So he gets the generic, we will refer you to this, and its like, i need support. And nobody can be there for him, its no mans land. Support. And nobody can be there for him, its no mans land. I really hope you find that support that you need and thank you for coming in, thank you very much, your boy is gorgeous. And ijust have a statement to read out from the University Hospital of north midlands. A misdiagnosis of this kind is exceptionally rare and we understand how devastating this has been for sarah and her family, understand how devastating this has been for sarah and herfamily, in addition to an unreserved apology the findings of the investigation had been shared with her in the case is now part of an ongoing legal claim with which the trust is co operating fully. Ultimately the misreporting of the biopsy was a human error so misreporting of the biopsy was a human error so as an extra misreporting of the biopsy was a human error so as an extra safeguard all invasive cancer diagnoses are now reviewed by a second pathologist. Sarah, thank you. Things have been put in place by the hospital to make sure this doesnt happen again so thank you. Thank you very much. If youre a victim of a crime the police can ask you to hand in your phone so they can examine it for evidence. Now campaigners are calling on the police to urgently revise the policy saying what they call digital strip searches can infringe victims right to privacy and are causing major delays to investigations. The report by big brother watch says cases are even being dropped because victims dont want to share their phones with the police. But the National Police Chiefs Council says officers have a duty to pursue all reasonable lines of enquiry. At the end of 2017, we brought you an interview with liam allan. He was falsely accused of rape and only cleared when messages downloaded from his alleged victims phone revealed how she had pestered him for casual sex. You cant really stop false accusations, people have a spiteful side and when people are hurt they react in a way you dont really expect and so we rely on the procedure to find the right sort of things and as far as im aware, if ive been through it, not the only one, just because im the one in the media right now it doesnt mean im the only one hes been through it. Said it so many times can what university supposed be the best time of your life, the last two years ive spent worrying are not concentrating on anything, has com pletely concentrating on anything, has completely ripped apart my normal, personal life and now its come to light, its still going on and the longer we have to wait in terms of going through things like that, the more stress it still is because im still away from university and my normal life so my life is upside down, and not a standing trial anymore but theres still the emotional stress of that. We can speak now to courtney not her real name. She says she was a victim of a serious and violent Sexual Assault but after a two year investigation, she says the Police Investigation was dropped after she refused to hand over her phone. Joy merriam is a solicitor advocate from gwbharthills and member of the law society and silkie carlo director of Campaign Group big brother watch. Welcome all of you and thank you for joining us. Courtney, in october 2016 you were subjected to what you say is a serious, very violent Sexual Assault. No, this happened a few years previously, like many victims i chose to period because it was just too hard at that time. I chose to bury it. But the feelings started to fester and i thought the best way to take power back was to go to police and report the crime and stop him from hurting anyone again. I wanted to look him in the face ina again. I wanted to look him in the face in a courtroom and i wanted to humiliate him the way he humiliated me and took away his freedom the way he took away mine. But i look back at that now and think thats very naive and i consider it to be one of the biggest mistakes of my life because of how the investigation affected me psychologically. From the assaults, imean, it psychologically. From the assaults, i mean, it was certainly bad and my attacker was sadistic. I was dealing with that ok. I was functioning. I really fell a pa rt with that ok. I was functioning. I really fell apart as the investigation progressed. A therapist has said or blames the way therapist has said or blames the way the investigation was handled, particularly with these requests for a very personal information including things like counselling notes and mobile phone data. And also just how long the investigation took and the stresses of it for what put me into a very deep depression. Soi put me into a very deep depression. So ijust put me into a very deep depression. So i just want to come put me into a very deep depression. So ijust want to come in there. You said about the counselling notes. Counselling is supposed to be concept confidential and i gather you were told it would be at the start but then you are told police wa nted start but then you are told Police Wanted the notes so took take us through what police are asking for, but the lawyers were asking for and how that impacted you. At the very beginning when i reported the assault in 2016 the police suggested i should go to counselling. I thought that wasnt a bad idea even thought that wasnt a bad idea even though i felt generally ok. They sent me to a charity in london. We initially had a phone consultation, she assured me it would be totally confidential, then we had a meeting where she said it would be confidential and at the end of the meeting she puts on forms in front of me saying i agree my counselling notes can be given to the police. I absolutely did not want to sign that because i failed to get the true benefit of counselling things need to be private between you and your therapist and of course, understanding the law, some of these things could be given to my attacker as part of disclosure. One of the things i talked about with my counsellor was the thing that id had an eating disorder 15 years previously which was totally result, ive seen cases where that is used, an eating disorder is used to discredit a claimant because they say she is unreliable. And there are certainly other things i needed to discuss and counselling that definitely could be given to my attacker as part of disclosure and thatis attacker as part of disclosure and that is an incredibly disturbing prospect for me because he did what he did to me because of power. And if he gets to see how he hurt me he will get off on that power. And that is. Will get off on that power. And that is. Absolutely will get off on that power. And that is absolutely impossible position to be put in. Several months later the police did in fact request my counselling notes. That basically gave me almost a mental breakdown. And later, access to facebook was requested. And your phone, that was the point at which the investigation was dropped. And i just want to pick up, sorry, on what you said, saying you feel now that you said, saying you feel now that you are very naive when you had the view that you had of what would happen once he pursued a prosecution which was coming sometime after the attack itself. Does that mean you wish youd never pursued a prosecution . Its really hard because right now im campaigning on behalf of victims, im posing a legal challenge to the government to overturn these laws and so i feel i am ina overturn these laws and so i feel i am in a position that its just who iam right am in a position that its just who i am right now, im able to do this and makea i am right now, im able to do this and make a difference in our country. So in that sense i dont regret it but this took away two yea rs of regret it but this took away two years of my life, i was suffering from such extreme anxiety that i began displaying dangerous and addictive behaviour. I was having panic attacks for i had to go on medication. That is not safe to take. My boyfriend once called Emergency Services because he thought i was at risk for suicide, i wouldnt have committed suicide but imean, it wouldnt have committed suicide but i mean, it was that dark of a place. And i lost two years of my life and i regret that. I dont think it has to be like that in this country. Lets bring enjoy. You always act as defence for the accused in legal cases that you get involved with in this area. And we heard obviously from liam and how accessing the phone records were vital in that case. When you hearfrom courtney and the impact of disclosure on her and the impact of disclosure on her and presumably others like her and that meaning that ultimately cases havent ended up in court, how do you feel about that . I think its a question of checks and balances in every case. Youve got to balance the rights of the accused against the rights of the accused against the rights of the accused against the rights of the complainant and their right to privacy and there are various stages of the police have to go through. I mean i cant comment on the individual facts of her case but certainly they are not supposed to request such items as phone records or medical records unless they feel that they would be evidential in the case they are pursuing a reasonable line of inquiry. But to someone who is saying that something has happened, they are making allegations, it kind of doesnt matter what the justification is and obviously youre talking about your needs to be an evidentialjustification for requiring it, it would still have the same impact, wouldnt it, and anyone who is having to hand that over . It depends what they are being asked to hand over. If youre being asked to hand over. If youre being asked to hand over. If youre being asked to hand over your phone for your social media records to be looked at, if you are confident there is nothing on there thats going to weaken your case in any way i dont see what your problem is in handing it over. Ok, ill ask courtney to respond to that point. have a major problem with that because as a victim of rape, there is no other victim of any crime when you are raped over in such personal ways, the information that is on your phone is going to be, will be used can be used, could be prejudicial and irrelevant. Even in the case of liam, i was watching that case id prefer, i dont know if you are going, if we dont get into other cases, its properly simplest. There are cases, a victim of sexual history, her fantasies, her new relationships, videos of her having sex with new partners have been used. If my attacker gets to see that i would be so devastated i would be at severe risk of self harm. The police say the risk of disclosure is low, i would say even just the thought that it could be filled me with absolute fear, i have ptsd, my brain doesnt work the same way as yours and this policy, therefore, means that so many less victims are going to come forward and that rapists can operate with impunity. Joy, does that worry you, that victims may not come forward . It does when this information is publicly put out, because what has been described by courtney would not happen, there are strict rules about previous and subsequent Sexual Conduct and we have to have confidence injudiciary conduct and we have to have confidence in judiciary to conduct and we have to have confidence injudiciary to robustly e nforce confidence injudiciary to robustly enforce those rules. If something is irrelevant as she is referred to it then of course it will be disclosed. But things are relevant, are a matter of fact. I was with a taxi driver and the guy said if you are wearing a short skirt that could be, you know, you could be asking for rape, there a perception about what is relevant when it comes to being a victim, theres perceptions about how a victim should behave, during after the assault that arent releva nt to after the assault that arent relevant to the crime committed and that will be used in many cases to discredit a victim stop im sorry. We havent heard from silky yet, big brother watch, you want change, tell us. I wouldnt be here if there wasnt a massive failure in our Justice System thats affecting lots of people, even this morning we are getting more e mails from people whod been directly affected byjust this issue. The problem is at the moment victims arent able to give specific pieces of evidence to the police without feeling as though theirentire police without feeling as though their entire private lives are going to be put on trial. When you think about the sheer amount of information thats on all of our phones, messages, e mails, social media accounts, photos, videos, more information is being taken in police downloads than would even be taken ina downloads than would even be taken in a Police Property rate and we are seeing, as in this case, people are being forced to choose between privacy and justice and its really shocking and despicable that this policy hasnt been changed only because the longer this continues the more people arent able to get justice and there are dangerous people that could reoffend. Thank you all, we are out of time, a couple of statements to read, the National Police Chiefs Council said victims have a duty to pursue all reasonable lines of inquiry in any investigation and to meet the disclosure of obligations under police law. We recognise the concerns of some privacy and victims groups and had been seeking advice from a wide range of groups to help us improve the process. The Crown Prosecution Service have said in a separate statement we understand the concerns around the new forms and have committed to working collaboratively to strike a complex balance between privacy and fair trial. Weve been very clear mobile phones should not be automatically taken only when they form a reasonable line of inquiry. Thank you all. Now to the heatwave hitting much of the country. Temperature are set to hit record highs this week and tonight is predicted to be the hottest on record. Weve been asking for your tips on keeping cool mine is freezing your hot Water Bottles. It works really well. Emily says i got this tip from my mum, wed a clea n fa ce got this tip from my mum, wed a clean face cloth, fold and put in a small plastic bag and put it in the freezer, take it out and use it on your forehead, wrists, freezer, take it out and use it on yourforehead, wrists, back of freezer, take it out and use it on your forehead, wrists, back of neck to keep cool and for the dog, she loves ice cubes and frozen treats. An e mail says in many mediterranean countries they have shutters they keep closed during the hottest part of the day to keep out the heat, i draw all my curtains to do likewise. Thank you for those. Well, we can talk now to weather presenter matt taylor. How hot is it going to be . Joanna, record breaking july weather, records tumbling over the next few days. Lets take you through why its happening, the jet days. Lets take you through why its happening, thejet stream days. Lets take you through why its happening, the jet stream to the rest of us, tipping down southwards, in doing so the High Pressure just across central europe, sitting stationary, moving further north eastwards, went around that flow is clockwise, tapping into a little bit of african warmth coming up little bit of african warmth coming up on the southerly winds but dont forget, its been a hot and dry speu forget, its been a hot and dry spell across many parts of europe, sunshine and clear skies overhead, the dry ground warming the air above it even more and thats whats going to happen across the uk today. More sunshine around, temperatures in the high 20s, 27 and 28. Into the 30s this afternoon across a good part of england and east wales. With that, increasing humidity, you feel that through tonight and with that, and the heat by day we set up severe storms, could be a disturbed night for ever you are, thunderstorms possible just about anywhere, rain, possibly some hail as well. It will help to break down the heat as we go through the next few days for parts of scotland, northern ireland, Western Areas of wales but across england, temperatures are set to rise even further. We could see them widely into the 30s across england on thursday and its thursday where we could see a record breaking 37 degrees in and around the london area. Humidity causing temperatures to feel more like the 405. Area. Humidity causing temperatures to feel more like the 40s. That is incredible. At least 1,000 babies in the uk are being put at risk each year because the uks newborn Screening Programme lags behind other countries thats according to the charity Genetic Alliance uk. The nhs carries out nine tests on newborn babies that compares to 43 in italy and 57 in the united states. The charity says this means a whole range of conditions are not picked up in the uk leading to babies developing life changing conditions or even dying unnecessarily. We can speak now to sara hunt, whose son died from a rare genetic disease called ald. Its an illness that affects the brain, destroying the protective sheath that surrounds the brains neurons the nerve cells that allow us to think and to control our muscles. Early diagnosis means that it can be com pletely early diagnosis means that it can be completely treated. Jayne spink is ceo of Genetic Alliance, calling for more comprehensive genetic testing of newborn babies and paediatrician dr liz bragg. Welcome all of you and thank you for joining us. Ald, is something that most of us wouldnt know about, its extremely rare, sadly your first son had it and sadly died at the age of 19. Tell us what happened. You didnt have a clue that it was a genetic issue until it was too late. Absolutely, he was born in 1993. Very unremarkable childhood, achieved all his key milestones, very happy, loving little boy. Just after his little brother was born his behaviour started to change which we put down to attention seeking. And then at school they started to notice that he wasnt hearing properly, he wasnt looking at the board properly and squinting. And we had some tests and they all came back as negative. It soon became very clear that there was something going wrong with his brain, his cognitive skills were lacking, he was walking into walls, dropping things, being very clumsy, not understanding what he was being told. And after about a nine month diagnostic odyssey i suppose, we finally got a diagnosis of ald. We we re finally got a diagnosis of ald. We were told there was nothing that could be done. Just to go home, he probably had a couple of years to live, within a few months of that hed lost all his abilities, he was ina hed lost all his abilities, he was in a wheelchair, tube fed, blind, unable to speak to us, couldnt even smile in the end. And he lived like that for 12 long years and eventually died when he was 19. That for 12 long years and eventually died when he was 19m must have been just awful for you as afamily to must have been just awful for you as a family to go through it. Then come up a family to go through it. Then come up with your second son, aidan, you discovered because you knew about the disease, that he had it but it was very the disease, that he had it but it was very different because it was diagnosed early and he was treated. And thats the important factor, isnt it . For you. You want Genetic Screening so there can be early diagnosis because aidan is 19 and absolutely fine. Absolutely, absolutely. Once alex was diagnosed they immediately tested aidan who was only a year old at the time, fortu nately. Was only a year old at the time, fortunately. And he was put on a Monitoring Programme and it was discovered he had ald as well and then when he was seven, it showed up ona then when he was seven, it showed up on a routine brain scan that he was getting signs of ald and he had a bone Marrow Transplant and he is now at university. You are from the Genetic Alliance. You think this sort of testing should be routine, at the moment we are actually pretty much bottom of the table in comparison with other countries in terms of what is screened for in the days after a baby is born. Sarahs experience is heartbreaking. And to know that had ald been included in a national Screening Programme it would have been possible for both sara s boys to receive treatment and it underlines why we are so keen to see this issue properly examined. In the uk we screen for only nine conditions for as you said, in the re st of conditions for as you said, in the rest of europe, the average number screen rest of europe, the average number screen for its 22. And that means there are children born with conditions that could be treated, very effectively, if picked up early enough. Who become ill before investigations begin. And that means their outcomes are very much worse and it also means that families dont have access to information, support, Supportive Care for their child and choices which they should. Doctor liz, any new parent, anyone who has had children knows about the heel prick test and why its done and mercifully for most people it happens and they forget all about but is it a no brainer to extend the number of illnesses that heel prick testis number of illnesses that heel prick test is used for screening for . Can ijust say, im very sorry for your loss, sara. In the first place. And yes, it would be a no brainer to increase the number of tests that we do, however, in recent years, there has been quite a rapid advance in the Technology Used and the genome mapping and that seems to have got ahead of the rest of the process of looking at different kinds of screening and i know some countries in europe for example, italy, only tested for three conditions up until 2016. When they extended the number of conditions that they looked for. Sol of conditions that they looked for. So i think we all would like to extend the number of conditions we look at but there are difficulties with making sure that all of the processes are in place because its notjust processes are in place because its not just about having the test. Youve also got to make sure that youve got people there to council for a positive result. Youve also got to make sure that weve got some way of treating or making it better, you know, even if we cant, some of these conditions we cant heal them but we cant make lives better. understand what youre saying. Liz, thank you and sara and jane, loads of things for us to think about. We are out of time, we are heading for the tory leadership result and we are going to check in with our before the end of the programme but thank you all so much for your time. In less than an hour, well learn who the new conservative party leader will be and, therefore, who will become our next Prime Minister. Weve just got a couple of minutes to the end of the programme, so lets get a show of hands from who our ten tory activisits here five backing borisjohnson and five backing jeremy hunt on who they think will win the contest. Whos for Boris Johnson . Whos forjeremy hunt . I watch the cricket and it wasnt over until the last ball, so our political guru norman smith is awaiting the result in westminster. Norman, is it a done deal for Boris Johnson . It would be the upset to end all u psets it would be the upset to end all upsets of jeremy it would be the upset to end all upsets ofjeremy hunt managed to pull this off, it would be like me beating mo farah in a marathon, i dont think its going to happen and anyway, this party has always wanted borisjohnson as its leader. You go to party conferences, he is the darling, the man theyve been waiting for. He now faces an enormous challenge, he has to unite this party, bitterly divided already, some big figures threatening to vote against him and he has to deliver brexit when nothing appears to have changed. Huge, huge challenge ahead. Indeed, 45 minutes until the announcement, norman, thank you so much. I will be live at westminster tomorrow with the programme, see you then. Full coverage on the bbc news channel. See you tomorrow. Goodbye. Hello, good morning. Temperatures have already reached 26 celsius in the south east of england. Its going to be a hot and Sunny Afternoon for many of us. Still a bit of cloud floating out there in parts of north west england, wales and the West Midlands but that will burn away and we continue with cloud across the irish sea coasts and the west of scotland but for most of us, its sunny and all about the temperatures over the next few days, we see temperatures reaching the mid 20s for scotland, northern ireland. Widely high 20s to low 30s for england and wales, potentially 35 degrees in the south east of england today but with the heat and humidity, tonight its going to go bang. Thunderstorms moving in across the south west of england, up through wales, you can see them moving north and eastward, spreading to many parts overnight and i frequent lightning, torrential rain, flash flooding possible through the night and flash flooding possible through the nightand a flash flooding possible through the night and a very warm and uncomfortable night for sleeping. These are the minimum temperatures into wednesday morning. 17 20d. Wednesday, not quite as hot as today, but the heat building again on thursday. Youre watching a bbc news special live from westminster where in the next hour well find out who has won the race to become the new leader of the conservative party, and the uks next Prime Minister. Borisjohnson is the frontrunner, ahead of his rivaljeremy hunt, but for now nobody knows for sure which of the two men has been chosen by tory party members. The winner of the election will be announced here, inside the Queen Elizabeth ii Conference Centre in westminster, where theyll make their first