That we need to really irish fishermen are being warned process what is happening. They face arrest by scottish we are all talking about authorities if theyre caught individuals, most of whom actually and its a barty party fishing around the tiny atlantic deny the allegations Ashleigh Barty wins the french open, island of rockall, which lies more and in the court cases are still to come, but there than 200 miles west of the hebrides. Are some individuals ownership of the rock like bill cosby, who is serving has long been disputed, but scottish ministers now say a sentence now, but does it make a difference to you, they have a duty to defend are there degrees of discomfort the interests of their fishermen. Or degrees of how you withdraw Laura Maxwell reports. From that culture . Inhabited only by seabirds, rockall is a big lump of granite if the person has been convicted miles from anywhere. As opposed to that person not being convicted, rachel, but the waters around it are rich does it make a difference to you . Fishing grounds for haddock, yes, i think it has to make monkfish, and squid worth a difference because i think its millions of pounds a year. What you are trying to achieve its access to this catch in avoiding someones work which the Scottish Government who is alive and still doing that says its defending. Art and still trying to make money in a statement, they told us. From it and still trying to be successful and still protecting their reputation, and they had not been punished for what they did, and a boycott sends a signal to them that its not acceptable and its a form of punishment if they havent received one already and theres we would not like to see a purpose to that, but i do feel conflict but in this case its straight and clean, like if i like has happened, its a matter of illegality if they are either dead under International Law or if they have had their punishment like if we are talking and wed like it fixed. About something thats not ongoing the uk claimed sovereignty any more then, yeah, in 1955 with Royal Marines its different than talking hoisting the union flag. About more of a personal but the ownership of rockall has reaction to it rather been disputed for decades and irish than a practical response. Fishermen maintain theyre would it make a difference to you . You know, i dont think so. I think once someone working illegally. Is associated with the crime, just as an artist, the way that i patronize art, theyre extremely worried and they are looking and we expect its always from and that if there is any detentions here, we will have the full unwillingly analytical place. Backing of the Irish Government to defend ourselves against what we consider is an illegal act by the scottish authorities. Where i am always sort of looking at the artists process and technique, and so if i am patronizing any piece of art, and there is an artist who has been associated with a certain crime, for me it breaks the fourth wall. The Irish Government says the jurisdiction remains disputed and it really messes and the threat of action by the Scottish Government is unwarranted. With my desire for escapism, it says it will pursue every legal avenue to defend its fishermen. Laura maxwell, bbc news. And i think the issue and conundrum is that there is no artistic product now on bbc news 100 women. That is from one source. Following recent sexual abuse allegations against several high profile people in the arts, and so, how do you punish these should we be pausing crimes are how do you disengage before going to the cinema, with that association without punishing other artists the gallery or the bookshop . Who are associated with the work. Im here at festival celebrating literature and the arts. As allegations of abuse continue what do you think . To be leveled against powerful you know, i have never looked to artist for moral codes of conduct, i just dont think creative, bbc 100 women is here to ask the question, should we boycott of say poets are painters as being, controversial artists . You know, the sort of moral vanguards of society and i dont think that not i think the places they are coming from is typically on the margin and frequently quite dark, and thats the reason why they make art. Welcome to hay festival, but i wonder how far back we can go, from a very blustery bbc tent. Filled with created because you all know from the worlds of art, that there are once the debate music, film and literature. Starts in the present day, worlds that have recently seen some people will then start to re examine of the most high profile artists facing allegations of abuse. Historically how far back do we go do you think . Ithink. We can go as far back as you like and they will still be an infinite number of things you dont know about the artist lives, they will be those you know. One thing we do need to say at the start, many of these artists facing allegations have not been charged with any offence, let alone facing we know that wagner trial and in most cases, was anti semitic, know roald dahl they have publicly and strongly denied any misconduct, alleged against them. Is also anti semitic, now, i think its fair to say that but there are other number of People Society has always questioned we dont know about, whether the behaviour of an artist is relevant to their art. So that may stretch back as far but the question seems all the more as you like in history. I think it sometimes framed as either or, do we acknowledge how monstrous urgent in a post metoo era. Those views were or do we ignore that because the art was so beautiful . Metoo is trending on every and i think its possible to do part of the internet. Millions of women across the world both, to acknowledge while, had been sharing the experiences of sexual harassment. They had some really terrible abuse in october 2017, the words metoo started a revolution. Time is up, we see you, we hearyou. And therefore we can mark that that a new day is on the horizon. Days earlier, allegations against Harvey Weinstein should not happen and to keep had been printed. Working on that you shared those dont happen today whilst preserving dozens of women had accused some beautiful books that meant the movie mogul of sexual harassment, abuse or rape. The world to children all over the world. You mentioned an interesting point earlier talking about i think you mentioned the word role models, you said you did not look to artist he has admitted that his behaviour for them to be role models. In the past has caused but is it fair to say a lot of pain. That some people do . But he denies engaging i think its very, very dangerous in nonconsensual sex. You know what, we all make mistakes, to go down that road because i think we will be left with no art i get a Second Chance i hope. Over the last 18 months, if we start to judge people morally the Metoo Movement spread and say, ok, you are not a good around the world. Mother, you are too busy writing your books or you know its the highest profile figure ranging from sexual harassment, in indias Metoo Movement, which we are focusing on today, which is exploded in the last few months engulfing politicians, journalists and people in bollywood. Back to any number of things, k pop industry here in korea has i think thats the point of artist, been rocked by a series of sex he reminds us of the awfulness, and corruption allegations. But also the incredible beauty and so i would be very hesitant to say that we remove and we get rid of something thats been made recently, more allegations against music legends had by someone who is not hit the headlines. Every time i was with him, perfect human being. Every single time i stayed the night with him, he abused me. Michaeljacksons family has the art they create should not be strongly denied the claims. Used as an excuse in any way, even the most powerful people but in terms of them being a role in the arts world are now having their positions question. Harvey weinstein has been expelled model, especially im coming from the organisation that runs from the comedy world, and there are plenty of examples at the oscars. He is facing trial later this year. Especially at the moment of comedians who had been accused the influential Tv Company Netflix of sexual crimes and the comedy world has historically and still is rife with metoo says it will no longer work stories, but comedians especially, who would ever think a comedian with the Actor Kevin Spacey would be a role model . As allegations against him mount up. Like, that is, if youre looking kevin spacey denies Sexual Assault at comedians for role models that youre doing something allegations against him. We are here to make it known that it does not matter how well he can sing wrong already. It, he is a predator. I think whats really interesting and some of the stuff written about this is the idea the Singer R Kelly is awaiting trial of a cancel culture, on ten counts of sexual abuse. The idea that you did this, all of which he denies. Or alleged to have done it, the question now being asked one person says you had do it by many, can we consume the works therefore your cancelled. Of people accused of abuse i dont want to see your films any more, you are not going to be involved in any more films, do you think there is a danger of the cancel culture, and do you think its necessarily with a clear conscience . A bad thing . And joining me to debate the question are. So i think that there is something to be said about being able to financially disempower either an institution or individual for their crimes. What i would love to hear from you all first, seems many if they are predatory have people in society are grappling with this idea of separation again and i suppose the question really is, have the debate maybe you think predatory practises, twice about reading a book and listening to a song or watching a film, has it changed and its been proven successful. Your behaviour at all . Where my concern is, is that a band aid . When they put out a press release my personal view has been that i go saying we are very sorry or then to the specific piece of art implementing a diverse hiring to have a transformation practise and things like well have more women at the feet of the table, is it a band aid or is it actually as somebody who loves art. Addressing some of the issues at the institutional level . Seat. Is it possible for people to redeem and i am not always aware themselves like Harvey Weinstein said in the video of how everyone of the biography of the creator gets a Second Chance of that work, but definitely but be believing that . You know, i certainly there is a sense of wanting at least for me, as an individual, believe in forgiveness, to widen the conversation, for me to say, well, right, i believe forgiveness like as years that privilege but i think that a light and certain voices and culture meant of what we see happening, its up to those who have been presently affected as well. Their relationship with the allegations with what happens to those people who have been and whatever it is they decide to do and however long it takes for them to grieve and process whats happening but collectively erased, i feel like 0k, and individually there have been many women who had and i think as a woman, been, you know, i become invisible i try and every way to support. In the history of art and literature, so my idea is to widen rather than to remove im sure from what you have said youre not a fan of this, that 0k, ok, this is no longer consumable or readable to say ok you would not be a an idea well im going to find of cancelling an artist, what about the idea of Second Chances and redemption and the rest of it . The voices that speak to me. We all have different experiences the truth is i dont know what to do with these like some to this because i was in the kitchen of michaeljackson song came of the people of the stories come out about, i am conflicted, on the radio and ipod fantastic and then i caught thinking can but what i want to do is say who has i still enjoy it though . Been excluded from this because of, i dont know, what do you think you have those moments . You know, not so much to do yeah, i had that exact moment, with the individual its i was recently choosing songs for the reception at my wedding, to do with institutions and the structures that support and the band listed several michaeljackson songs, and make these people, and we were trying to weigh up how how did Harvey Weinstein get into that position, you know . It would make people people feel, and if we are talking about metoo and but also that is going to crowd up the dance floor, no question. Yeah, of course, it does pop up, as an idea that feminism can change and i would say every day but i agree with what she says about i believe art has power structures and bring to transform whether we are talking about high art or pop songs. 00 08 53,130 2147483051 41 11,279 they do move people and they change 2147483051 41 11,279 4294966103 13 29,430 people and i think no matter how in new structures, then this is a moment where we can start to have a different conversation and to say, what does it mean that we have not heard from this entire section of this population, so i am more again about widening the vision rather than narrowing it. Im never for throwing anyone out. And this idea of polarised punishment culture, you are either in or out or cancelled or recommissioned basically, do you buy it . I agree when you say it has to be effective and i think it is, it has a specific goal, you know, in order to say to the Weinstein Company we wont have this now, that very patriarchal structure has to be broken somehow. But for example im thinking like aziz ansari, who is accused of behaving a sexual encounter but he had and his understanding was consensual but the women involved did not feel that it was consensual. Live and he was in a very popular female lead tv show by any polar and i was shattered and im wondering should we stop watching it because hes in it. Who loses out if we cancel it. So now i think sometimes it works but you have to be really careful in what you are cancelling. And the debate around what we can listen to and watch, the rest of it, is it the same to be at the same question india is that yellow and has been interesting because the Metoo Movement has had as a year later. We had not had the big fall like our movie industry, there have been cases and there but i think people are asking that question of what do you expect from art and artists, how do we want to be heard as a society and these are valid questions. My concern is if we get into this very get enough rest of all social media which we have not spoken about yet, is a huge role in the way the debate is happening, its very difficult to have a nuanced discussion about it because its either you are for or against it. And that leads to more polarisation in society and is not healthy i dont think because a lot of it as individual case by case, these are peoples lives again, so i feel its a very complicated thing, but i feel at least there is the conversation is happening. I feel thats going to be the way we go forward. How do you feel about the idea of morality clauses . The idea that publishers can write into contracts that you have to behave a certain way and if not we can cancel your contract and get back in advance. If it can be managed at a legal level, if the conversation is inclusive in the backhand, because i think at their wedding and people of colour who are making decisions as well, thats when then, and it follows a legal guideline i think that will help deconstruct the institution. What do you think . Its a weird idea, its obviously, they may be some good, but i think the fact they had just come mainly from insurance reasons and fear, than from these wonderful publishers saying, oh, i cant bear to publish the work is done something wrong you know its not coming from that, so yes, i hope its a disincentive for people to break the law but if it could be written like you say, by people who dont normally get to make these type of rules, i think thats absolutely crucial, that its notjust again white male publishers sitting there going, how am i not going to get sued . And the practical responses, most people are self interested, they dont want to lose money so if you tell them thats a possibility they lose money even though obviously its not a noble intention to say im not going to be predatory because i dont want to be poor, but if it hinders in any way does actions, then its difficult for me to look at it as not being progressive and some way. Rachel, we should discuss comedy a little bit more because when youre talking about a comedian, pretty much always, they have written or contributed most material themselves, so is it different when you are asking someone to not consume that type of art because they are so identified with the art that its been theyre putting out on stage. Its hard not to mention louis ck, springs to mind as an artist who was so successful, and so, so funny. Allegations were made though about sexual misconduct, which he did admit and i dont think there has been any criminal punishment but he admitted it was true and what now comes to like it how hes be very intimately and almost literally connected to his material. Hes describing his own attitude to sex, hes describing his attitude towards women and how he behaves and all of that is laid out like a manifesto in his comedy, and we sort of didnt spot it. So, yes, its a bit different because in that situation it is much harder to make that. That this connection between art and artist. Can anything good come out of the situation that we find ourselves in post metoo and in the middle of waiting for the resolution of all these cases, have you seen any positives at all . I would say yes, i think there is a tremendous sense of solidarity amongst women, regardless of when theyjoin the movement, based on privilege and history, and i think thats very inspiring. Certainly in the county road wonderful things that happened, all female groups in terms of feeding information from one woman to another, about what gigs are sexist and which are not, but nuances in between that, the solidarity that has come from that and my well it has been incredibly dramatic. Personally, have any of the three of you noticed any changes in the way you are prissy perceived professionally are opportunities presented with . For me its been the other way round. As someone whose work as an interviewer, lots of writers, i realise the majority of our men have thats because editors located so as at present project i started to interview more when then because i really think there are many amazing female writers who do not we did not get their due, so its been about recalibrating my own personal prejudices or the sort of blind as we have, werejust going along with what we are fed so to really say no actually, go and find out more and educate yourself, go and find shakespeares sister. What a fantastic note to and on, thank you so much and one thing i want to say to everyone, for more stories on women around the world, you can head to our website. Thank you so much to our guests. I think you all for coming. Hello, thank you forjoining me. We pick up 36 millimetres. An inch and a half of rain. The brisk winds calmed down and generally it was a better and to the day. Hertfordshire had clearing skies. If you are heading outside over the next few hours, we have clear spells with showers restricted to the north and west of the uk. The area of pressure d rifts west of the uk. The area of pressure drifts away from our shores and moves closer to norway. Given the clear skies, it is not particularly cold. Averages between seven and nine celsius. It will mean it will bea nine celsius. It will mean it will be a fine start to the day. With the signup, plenty of the sunshine stop quite cloudy for scotland in the north. Shower cloud begins to. They will form in lines. They will be heavy. A few for Northern Ireland and the north of scotland. These areas with convergent winds are the areas with convergent winds are the areas where you are most likely to see showers was not away from those zones, fewer showers, more in the way ofjoe dry weather. It will feel like a warmer day. Temperatures 16 to 20. Looking to the weather in the early part of the new week. Hot air comes the early part of the new week. Hot aircomes up the early part of the new week. Hot air comes up from africa into Central Europe and that collides from caller airfrom polar regions. The clash of emesis with big temporary contrasts rings as an active waterfront. Active weather front. Clash of temperatures. The rain is notjust across eastern areas was not extensive across england and wales. Further north for scotla nd england and wales. Further north for scotland and Northern Ireland, whether will be largely dry with spells of sunshine. Rain will be continue to pump in both through monday and tuesday. The threat of some localised flooding. That is we see the heaviest and most prolonged bursts of rain. 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