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Passenger airliner and after 15 years on mars, nasa calls time on the opportunity rover crediting the robot as having transformed its understanding of the red planet. Good morning. Welcome to bbc newsroom live. A london schoolgirl who left britain as a 15 year old tojoin the so called Islamic State group, says she wants to come home. Speaking to the times, Shamima Begum, who is now 19, married to an Islamic State fighter and nine months pregnant, says she wants to give birth in the uk. This morning, the security minister ben wallace told the bbc that anyone whojoined is must understand that actions have consequences. Chichi izundu reports. Pictured for the first time in almost four years in a camp in Northern Syria, Shamima Begum, one of the three schoolgirls from Bethnal Green who left to join the Islamic State group, which by then already had a murderous reputation. Just 15 when they went, she told the times about their arrival in is territory. She told the times reporter, anthony loyd, that her friend Kadiza Sultana was killed in an airstrike. But she said the third Bethnal Green girl, amira abase, was still alive two weeks ago. And Shamima Begum doesnt accept they made a mistake injoining the Islamic State group. But she does say while she was with is she lost two children through malnutrition and sickness. She is now nine months pregnant with a third child and is desperate to get back to the uk. The home office says anyone taking part in conflict in syria or iraq must expect to be investigated by police, to determine whether they have committed criminal offences and to ensure that they do not pose a threat to national security. Our correspondent Richard Galpin is with me now. What will the authorities in the uk be doing with this information . According to a senior retired counterterrorism officials saying the police, security services, will start to look at a massive intelligence. Apparently, a lot of intelligence. Apparently, a lot of intelligence has been gathered about the people who went into the so called caliphate of isis. There isa so called caliphate of isis. There is a lot of information presumably they might find information about her and the question will be, do they believe that she has committed any offences. For example travelling toa any offences. For example travelling to a area that is not designated which carries up prison sentence carries a prison sentence. There will be an assessment of that and today we heard from the security minister and he is clear what would happen to people coming back to this country having been part of the caliphate. If you have been out there against the advice of the Foreign Office and engaged in support or activities of terrorism, you should be prepared to be, if you come back, be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted for committing terrorist offences. She is in a refugee camp. You made clear there are no british officials in syria. Is your view until she can find a british official she can say what she likes, shes not coming home . We do not provide Consular Services is syria. It is dangerous and i do not want to send officials out into a still active civil war in parts of a failed state. That is why we do not provide that. Shamima begum is not doing any favours in the interview because she does not express regret about the last four years and she says the only reason she wants to come back is because she wants her unborn baby to have health care. That is her plea. She says she lost two Young Children who died of illnesses and malnutrition and she is very worried she will lose this child. She is nine months pregnant and likely to give birth imminently so and likely to give birth imminently so she wants to get back to the uk where there are Good Health Services for that baby to be born safely. As far as we understand, if she has a british passport, she should be able to make her way back to the uk. If she cannot get through. It is a battlefield, a difficult area but as we heard from the security minister it is likely that she would be investigated then. Thank you. Well earlier we spoke to gina vale, a Research Fellow at the International Centre for the study of radicalisation at king s college london. She believes that although Shamima Begum has become desensitised to the violence of Islamic State, she isnt neccessarily a threat to our national security. We also need to consider the long term effects of refusing to repatriate civilians such as Shamima Begum or others, particularly when there are infants who are innocent and born into the situation through their parents volition and choice to be there and if we consider the long term consequences of not repatriating civilians such as herself and others, we then risk increasing the strain and burden on already overstretched facilities within iraq and syria. How much do you think the government considers the court of Public Opinion in this, if you like . Clearly, if you look at Public Opinion at the moment people are saying, shes made her bed, she can lie in it. Its definitely a political issue and something of Public Interest. But that cannot be seen to influence policy, particularly with regard to her infant. If the infant is born inside iraq or syria, in this case, that infant has a right to british nationality and it is in our best interest to make sure the child has those rights. We are joined now by aneeta prem,. You obviously have been taking stock of this story today. What are your initial thoughts on the rights and wrongs of Shamima Begum coming back to the uk . She is a british citizen but she made a choice as a very young girl, 15, with two friends, to leave this country into a war torn syria. Now she has tragically lost two children and now she has a third child on the way and wants to come back and have all the health care that needs to be afforded to this unborn child. She was not that young, 15 is not that young, and she has had four years. Is the situation any different now at age 19 saying she wants to come back, as opposed to changing her mind sooner . She has been radicalised. And it is how much of the danger she would be back in the uk. This unborn child is an innocentin the uk. This unborn child is an innocent in this. We need to think about that. Whether or not she comes back and is allowed to come back to the uk is a political decision but she is a british citizen, whether people like that or not, that is the fa ct. People like that or not, that is the fact. Some would say yes the unborn child is an innocent, but she made the choice to go there and become an is bride. She knew potentially she would get pregnant and be bringing Young Children into the most dangerous of environments. Absolutely, and i think one of the things that has to come out of this, that it does not glamorise the situation because there is no glamour. To see children die of malnutrition and not have health ca re malnutrition and not have health care is a terrific. When i see the interview from the times, it does not appear to be much room or she is showing, which is a real concern. And that other people do not use her asa and that other people do not use her as a role model to go to war torn countries to fight against british values, basically. Looking at the interview, there is no sense if she was to come back to the uk she would be wanting to send out a message to other young women who might be thinking of doing this that it is wrong on every level. She expresses no regret and talks quite casually about seeing a severed head in a bin and said she was not fazed by it. This language is disturbing and you talk about human rights, what about the human rights of people in the uk who are living peacefully and do not wa nt who are living peacefully and do not want someone bringing that influence into the uk . A number go out to be jihadi brides and we do not know how many have come back into the country illegally and if she were to come back, which she spend a long time in prison . We do not know. She would have to get to a country where there was a british console. I think she would be a risk if she came back holding the values she appears to have today. The idea of expressing that she wanted to come back and live quietly with her as yet unborn child, that is a fantasy . There is not anybody who would not want to interview her to see her views, what she was doing and what life was like. If there was real regret she was sorry and could express how awful things work, maybe that would deter others from going over. At the moment it does not appear that is where she is. If she got to somewhere where she could travel back to the uk, on balance, do you think it would be in the wider uk interest to have her stay there, or to come back to the uk where she could be interviewed. to come back to the uk where she could be interviewed. I think she needs to be interviewed overseas or in the uk, but while she poses a threat that is a risk to every one of us. Thank you. Breaking news. Biddies from the Crown Prosecution Service the duke of edinburgh is not going to be facing prosecution or further action over the road crash he was involved in near the sandringham estate. You remember the land rover he was driving, the 97 year old was driving, turned over. He was able to climb out and was unhurt apart from feeling very shaken, it is reported. The other car involved containing two with and a baby, they were taken to hospital for treatment but the baby was not hurt. The cps announcing today the duke of edinburgh, 97, will not face prosecution over the road accident. That news just coming in. Theresa may is facing the threat of another rebellion by her own backbenchers today as she tries to preserve support for her brexit plan. The commons is due to vote on the next steps in the process, and some of the most hardline tory brexiteers have said they cannot back the motion as it currently stands, claiming it effectively means abandoning a no deal option. Mps will also vote on a number of amendments as they try to change the direction of travel of the brexit process. The amendments include one from labour which would require the government to hold another meaningful vote or allow parliament to take control of the process if theresa may cant get support for her deal. Jwremy corbyn says it would prevent the pm running down the clock another amendment was tabled by the Scottish National party and calls on the government to pass a law that would formally halt the brexit process. Its unlikely to succeed as it doesnt have cross party support. And theres the conservative mp sarah wollastons amendment. It would make the government hold several binding votes in 12 days time on the pms deal, no deal, a norway style deal and a second referendum but it, too, is unlikely to gain enough support. Our assistant Political Editor norman smith is in westminster for us this morning. Government sources say this morning that if the Prime Minister loses the vote today it will make it harder for the government to get changes to the backstop. An attempt most likely to get those opponents of her deal within the party to give her support now. Will it work . Difficult to work it out. Things are still very fluid but before we get into the big brexit today, it is valentines day and we have the leader of the house, andrea leadsom, doing her own valentines day stuff. And, mr speaker, it is valentines day so i thought a little poem might be in order. Labour is red, tories are blue, our future be in order. Labour is red, tories are blue, ourfuture is bright be in order. Labour is red, tories are blue, our future is bright with are blue, our future is bright with a good deal in sight for the uk and out a good deal in sight for the uk and our friends in the eu. Thank you. On curl your toes to return to your question, ministers do fear the government could be defeated tonight if hardline brexiteers decided to vote against a motion which could jeopardise they say theresa mays chances. We are not an internal debating society. And what we say will be listened to beyond our borders, particularly in europe. In the debate today is an opportunity to show that the house of commons is behind the Prime Minister in her bid to renegotiate the irish backstop, because if those who are watching believe that we are a United Parliament that would deliver an agreement with the European Union if the changes were made, they are more likely to happen. If we get division and conflicting messages, then its likely to send a negative signal. So we have a responsibility today, i think, to show that parliament is speaking with one voice. The reason brexiteers are on the war path is because the motion voted on todays says that the government should abide by the previous position adopted by the commons last month, which, if you cast your mind back, was to send theresa may back to brussels to try to renegotiate that backstop. But, also, remember the house of commons voted to reject no deal on an amendment pushed by amongst others the conservative mp caroline spelman. And the brexiteers say if that is voted for, it will mean the government in effect is taking no deal of the table. Unacceptable, they say. I am joined by caroline spelman. Do you understand why conservative collea g u es understand why conservative colleagues are unhappy about that aspect . They are in the minority, but, to be clear, the motion put down by the government equally respects the positions that carried a majority in parliament. The amendment to improve the backstop and also the amendment to say no to no deal. It is not a legally binding vote. It is i would say morally binding, but if parliament wants to ta ke binding, but if parliament wants to take legislative action, we need to avail ourselves of the promise the Prime Minister has given before the house that if she cannot get her deal through in the week commencing 25th of february, she will allow amendments in parliament that would create a legislative instrument so that legally we cannot leave without a deal. The reason many brexiteers are up in arms is because they believe it runs counter to theresa mays repeated assertions that no deal is an option and they also believe that mrs may is kowtowing to the remain wing of the party and she does not want to offend them and she has gone along with this. This is to ignore the facts that twice the parliament has voted with a majority to say no to no deal. Mrs may is an arched democrat and in her motion she respects the fact there is a majority of elected members who do not want to stop us leaving the European Union, but do not want us to leave without a deal. Those who vote against this tonight need to face up to the fact that twice now the majority in parliament has been made clear, most do not want to leave without a deal. But if mrs may is defeated and downing street believe it a possibility, do you accept it could jeopardise the government chances of getting a revised deal . The eu will say if she cannot command a majority no point in making further concessions. Cannot command a majority no point in making further concessionsm may be embarrassing and the onus is upon the opposition as to whether they vote with members of the er g to try to bring the government down andl to try to bring the government down and i hope they might reflect on that. As far as the negotiators in brussels are concerned, they are looking for the uk to reach a conclusion. I supported the Prime Ministers deal and i will support her deal again but more people need to support it and as time runs out, we may need to look at an extension but that is by agreement with the other 27 countries. They will look to significant change in the uk and passing legislation that would make it impossible to leave without a deal would be a significant change and one that would provide security and one that would provide security and confidence to business because every day with uncertainty, it costs money and jobs. Thanks. Worth saying there have been attempts to try to broker a compromise but no sign at the moment there will be any give on any side which means mrs may could face defeat. That debate getting under way in the house of commons around 1145 approximately. The Aerospace Giant airbus has announced that it will end production of the a380, the Worlds Largest passenger plane. The decision comes after its biggest customer, emirates, decided to trim its order. The plane first entered commercial service in 2007. Airbus also announced better than expected Fourth Quarter profits. Kim gittleson has more. When the airbus a380, the Worlds Largest passenger plane, first took to the skies in 2005, it was considered a feat of modern engineering. But now the plane has come to an untimely end, dealing a blow to airbus and its bet that increased International Air travel would lead to demand for big planes like this one. Airbus said the decision to stop manufacturing the a380 came after its biggest customer, emirates airlines, decided to trim its orders for the plane. That made it no longer financially viable to continue to manufacture the a380. While the demise has been expected for some time now, the shift to smaller planes, like american rival Boeings Dreamliner 787, came faster than expected. In a statement, airbus chief executive tom enders said that the decision was painful, but that the a380 would still be in the air for some time. The last delivery of the plane is set for 2021 and airbus said that it hoped it would be able to reassign around 3,000 workers, marking the end of the superjumbo era. The Police Service of Northern Ireland has apologised to bereaved families after a watchdog found it hadn t handed over significant information about a mass shooting during the troubles. The Police Ombudsman has been examining the Police Investigation into murders of five people in 1992. The ombudsman s report into the killings will now be delayed. Lets speak now to our correspondent emma vardy whos in belfast. Tell us about the background to the case and the shooting we referred to. This incident was one of the most significant loyalist paramilitary killings of the troubles of the fabry afternoon 27 yea rs troubles of the fabry afternoon 27 years ago, when gunmen burst into a bookmakers in belfast and began shooting. They killed five catholic men, one of them just 15 years old and seven others were injured. Fast forward to today, nobody has been brought to justice for this. The Police Watchdog investigated the original Police Actions at the time to try to provide answers for families of victims, who have travelled a long road for answers. The final report was about to be published that they realised information previously told didnt exist suddenly emerged as part of the separate civil case that was taking place. There were Big Questions for the Police Service of Northern Ireland over this. It is embarrassing to say the secret information that should have been to close the ombudsman was not now be psni have apologised to victims and families for this significant oversight. The psni is saying it is human error and denies deliberately withholding files from the ombudsman. What else does it say about practices and how it will ensure this does not happen again . It is important to point out police are saying it was not a cover up or conspiracy, it is simply because they have reams of information, some stored on archaic computer systems. The old microfiche systems. Some officers simply didnt know some of this stuff was stored in this way and simply did not know where to look but police admit this is potentially damaging for topic confidence in their investigations and in Northern Ireland there are many legacy investigation is ongoing and it will call into question whether the right information has been disclosed in the many investigations that many victims are waiting for answers on. Big apologies from police here today. We heard from a victim who survived the shooting and hed still have scars from the bullet wounds. He said he felt very sick today and lied to and an apology was not enough and there will be real explaining to do for police in Northern Ireland now. Thank you. Nhs england is encouraging people to have their Blood Pressure and cholesterol levels checked, in a bid to reduce the number of heart attacks, strokes and dementia cases. Health experts warn that millions of people are unaware they are at risk because many of the conditions associated with cardiovascular disease carry no symptoms. Heres our health correspondent, dominic hughes. Lets just put this on your hand. Having your Blood Pressure taken or getting your cholesterol tested. These are simple steps that can alert us to the danger of developing cardiovascular disease. Through heart attack, stroke, and dementia, its the main cause of premature death and disability in england. But Health Experts are warning that not enough of us know if we are at risk. Large numbers of people are dying prematurely from cardiovascular disease, which is largely a preventable condition. So thats why today were launching these new ambitions focusing on the big risk factors, the big causes for cardiovascular disease, and we are referring to this is the abcs of prevention atrial fibrillation, Blood Pressure, and cholesterol. In order to tackle cardiovascular disease, within the next decade disease within the next decade, doctors want to be able to detect and treat 80 of all those with high Blood Pressure, to check the cholesterol levels of three quarters of all a0 to 75 year olds, and assess their risk of cardiovascular disease, and to treat, with statins, 45 of those found to be at high risk. These checks can be done quickly and easily by a gp or a practice nurse. Doctors say we all know our bank pin numbers, but not the important numbers relating to our Blood Pressure and cholesterol that could save our lives. Dominic hughes, bbc news. I am joined in the studio by helen donovan, who is the professional lead for Public Health at the Royal College of nursing. 40 a0 Health Organisations are joining to promote this idea because clearly it is about prevention, stopping people getting to the point when they are on the brink of having a heart attack or stroke . That is right, and it is about prevention and raising awareness of making people aware they may have high Blood Pressure. That sounds odd because you think you would know you had high bp, but people walk around with high Blood Pressure and do not know about it. These checks are making that access ability to testing obvious to people. And helping them to do that. People are invited between the ages of a0 and 7a to go along for health mots at their gp. How many go along to those . Not enough, essentially. That is what we need to challenge and we need to make these things more accessible to people. One of the things, the ambition is making other options available, whether in supermarkets, sports centres, in local high streets, so people can have their pressure checked their and then be directed to other services. How much does that outreach happen now . It does happen and there are pockets around the country where there are good exa m ples country where there are good examples but what we are calling for todayis examples but what we are calling for today is to push for a whole Systems Approach so everyone is working to raise awareness within the public they should be calling for these and having these checks, but also amongst all health professionals. It is using other opportunities, so if youre seeing somebody for Something Else to make sure you have not missed the opportunity to check their Blood Pressure, or to check for high pulse and rapid pulse rate. Some people might not like going to the doctor if they have not got an appointment to Something Else, which might raise their Blood Pressure if they feel uncomfortable with doctor visits. That is a good point. We get appointments to go for a screening check and we might put it down and think i will deal with that another time. Again, it is having lots of opportunities and not just time. Again, it is having lots of opportunities and notjust at time. Again, it is having lots of opportunities and not just at the doctor s surgery. Opportunities and not just at the doctor s surgery. Talk to me more about how it would work in practice in terms of costs, getting staff with nurses from gp surgeries in a particular area to come to a supermarket and do that. It does not necessarily need to be Health Care Professionals doing the Blood Pressure checks. We need ongoing services. From a nursing point of view, from my point, as professional lead, it is having resources that people can be directed to, because talking to people about changing their lifestyle, increasing their physical activity, losing weight, stopping smoking, they take skills, Behaviour Change takes skills to implement. There is obviously an ongoing worry about having enough qualified skilled nurses to be able to do that but also other health ca re to do that but also other Health Care Professionals, so pharmacists area care professionals, so pharmacists are a good point of contact. And this could obviously make a big difference if you catch people in time. Yes, the aim in the longterm is to prevent 150,000 cases of cardiovascular disease including heart attacks and strokes. Hopefully interviews like this will remind people to go along and have a cheque. Thank you, helen. Have a cheque. Now its time for a look at the weather with mel coles, plenty of early sunshine from the word go for some spots but we have some rather stubborn fog around as well. But we are still drawing in this mild air from the south and west and eventually temperatures will pick up. Once that fog has cleared from central, southern and south western england. Then the sunshine works northwards as we head to the day, perhaps north east scotland sees the best temperatures with highs of around 15 celsius highs possible. This evening, clear skies, around 15 celsius highs possible. This evening, clearskies, certainly for the large part of the night, cloud drifting into the south west of england and then we will see some frost forming, critically through central and Eastern England where temperatures will drop lower. The areas thats almost an fog tomorrow morning will be seen again, and it will be stubborn in some cases. 0nce it clears, its a good looking day, plenty of sunshine, wind is picking up plenty of sunshine, wind is picking up to Northern Ireland and north west scotland, as rain edges closer here. But most places remaining dry. Hello, this is bbc newsroom live. The headlines now. Shamima begum one of three schoolgirls who left london in 2015 tojoin the so called Islamic State group says she wants to return to the uk so her unborn baby can be looked after. If you have been out there against the advice of the Foreign Office to go, and engaged in support or activities of terrorism, you should be prepared, if you come back, prepared to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted. The Prime Minister faces another rebellion on brexit in parliament as mps debate the next steps in the process. The duke of edinburgh will face no further action over his collision with another car near sandringham last month. The european plane manufacturer airbus says its going to stop producing the a380 superjumbo, the Worlds Largest passenger airliner. Waiting times for accident and emergency units in england have reached their worst level since the four hour target was introduced in 200a. Sport now, heres will perry. Good morning. We start with the cricket news. West indies fast bowler Shannon Gabriel has revealed exactly what he said to england captain joe root, which led to him being banned for the first four one day internationals. Gabriel has admitted asking root, if he likes boys, and says hes deeply sorry for his comments. This comes after root was heard on a microphone telling gabriel, theres nothing wrong with being gay, and not to use it, as an insult. In a statement, gabriel says. Mauricio pochettino has described his tottenham players as heroes after they beat the bundesliga leaders Borussia Dortmund 3 0, in the first leg of their Champions League last 16 match at wembley. Patrick gearey reports on a memorable european night for spurs. 0ne glory, glory night despite everything. In a ground they should have left against opponents rated among europes best, tottenham thrived. Among their many challenges is doing without the goals of the injured england captain harry kane. It requires the likes of lucas moura to improvise. But in nature, yellow and black is a warning. Borussia dortmund lead the german league, and it took goalkeeper hugo lloris to prevent them from leading the tie. In his fingertips tottenhams grip grew stronger. Minutes into the second half Jan Vertonghen picked out their favourite son, heung min son, makes the brilliant a routine. Vertonghen by trade is a grizzled centre back who had undergone some transformation. Here he was upfront making it 2 0, that is why nickname is superjan. Buses were kryptonite for the visitors. Crosses were kryptonite. Christian eriksen aimed another with the substitute fernando llorente. Three. Spurs supporters dream not of getting to wembley but of leaving for their new ground which is now several months late. Their team it seems are moving far faster. A great coach and a great man is how eric cantona has described former Manchester United Youth Team Coach eric harrison, whos died at the age of 81. Hes credited with developing the talents of Manchester Uniteds class of 92, including david beckham, paul scholes and the neville brothers, as well as leading united to fa youth cup victories in 1992 and 1995. Hes also been praised for his ability to make good human beings out of young players. He was our second father, he was the one that took us from the age of 1a and delivered us to the first team ready. I think its probably disrespectful just to talk about the class of 92 because i think his biggest achievement was all those other players that he brought through with equal ability that prepared them for life, notjust for Manchester United. When you talk about eric harrison, he didnt prepare you really for a life in football which was a big part, their pairdue to football which was a big part, their pair due to succeed in life to the values he instilled into a. He prepared you. There have been so many tributes to harrison already on social media, with gary neville tweeting, that hes lost his mentor, saying he and other manchetser united players owe him everything. David beckham posted on instagram, saying that he can still hear harrison yelling, no more hollywood passes at him in training and Alex Ferguson has released a statement claiming that erics contribution to football, and notjust Manchester United, was incredible. finally, Maria Sharapova says shes working through some painful days, after pulling out of indian wells with a shoulder injury. The five time grand slam champion has now withdrawn or retired from two of the three events shes played in since septembers us open. Sharapova says shes managing the pain day by day. Thats all the sport for now. You can find more on all those stories on the bbc sport website. Including more tributes there eric harrison. Thats bbc. Co. Uk sport. We have more for you in the next hour. Thank you. The duke of edinburgh will face no further action over the collision on the a1a9 near sandringham last month, the Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed. Joining us now is our news correspondent Clive Coleman. Of course, people will remember this was the incident last month when the dukes land rover over ten and a car with passengers and it was also involved. It was a pretty dramatic road Traffic Accident and just need to be sandringham estate, the dukes land rover collided with another vehicle, with arguments of two women and a baby. Since then, he has apologised to the occupants of the vehicle and on saturday said hes voluntarily giving up his driving licence so you wont drive on public roads going forward. Today we had crown Crown Prosecution Service to have looked and said it is not in the Public Interest to prosecute him. What have the considerations been for the cps in looking to bring charges . Just as any criminal prosecution, they applied then normal 2 part test. Firstly they looked at all the evidence gathered and decided whether the evidential testis and decided whether the evidential test is passed, in other words whether there is a real prospect of a conviction. That is sometimes referred to as a 51 test, if theres a better than 50 chance of a successful conviction, if it passes that test, they consider if it is in the Public Interest to prosecute. Weve got a statement here from chief crown prosecutor for the east of england who says, the cps has carefully reviewed material submitted by the police in relation to the accident. We took into account all the circumstances in the case including the level of carbon ability, thats the level of blame, the age of the driver and the age of the age of the driver and the age of the driving licence, and decided it is not in the Public Interest to prosecute. He adds, all those involved in the collision have been informed and provided with a full explanation in writing. Age is one of the factors you take into consideration when assessing what is in the Public Interest. The age alone is not a party prosecuting, people in their 90s have been prosecuted and there are people in prison in the 90s, but age is certainly a factor, one imagines thatis certainly a factor, one imagines that is a significant factor in this case. Thank you. Detectives have been given a further 36 hours to question a man held on suspicion of murder after three pensioners were killed in their homes in exeter. The bodies of 8a year old twins and that of an 80 year old man were found less than 2a hours apart at two separate addresses. Police are linking the deaths by the level of violence used. 0ur news correspondent jon kay reports. In a quiet suburb of a cathedral city, the house where the 8a year old twins were found dead. All day, police searched the large detached property, and a sprawling back garden. Neighbours described the elderly brothers as private and eccentric. Theyve been named locally as dick and roger carter. They were such nice, quiet men. Sylvia told me shed known the brothers for nearly 60 years. She said they once ran a grocery shop and were always kind. A mile away, another house, another crime scene. 2a hours earlier, on monday afternoon, police were called to this terraced property where theyve now erected an investigation tent at the front. Here they found the body of an 80 year old man. This note on the front door said a man of that age had been looking for new accommodation for himself and his pet cat. Neighbours told us it had been on the doorfor weeks. Police say at the moment the only thing linking the two attacks is the level of violence used against the victims. A 27 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Jon kay, bbc news, exeter. In a moment well have all the business news, but first the headlines on bbc news. Shamima begum one of three schoolgirls who left london in 2015 to join the Islamic State group says she wants to return to the uk so her unborn baby can be looked after. The Prime Minister faces another rebellion on brexit in parliament as mps debate the next steps in the process. The duke of edinburgh will face no further action over his collision with another car near sandringham last month. Im victoria fritz, in the business news. The european aircraft manufacturer airbus pulls the plug on its superjumbo. The last deliveries of the Worlds Largest passenger aircraft, the a380, which costjust under £20 billion to develop, will be made in 2021. From hero to zero. Zero growth that is. Germanys economy just about avoided falling into recession during the final three months of last year. A weaker Auto Industry and a slowdown in Global Growth are being blamed. Patisserie valeries parent firm is bought out of administration after an alleged fraud tipped it to collapse last month. The new owners, causeway capital, who will also include members of the Management Team, said they hoped to keep all 96 patisserie valerie sites open. There is hope most of those still employed by the bakery chain will get to keep theirjobs. In just a couple of months, Glasgow Airport will wave off the first a380 superjumbo on its way to dubai. It will be a first in Scottish Aviation history. So imagine how the Management Team must be feeling today, after huge investments to prepare the airport for a plane that measures 80 metres from wing tip to wing tip, in excess of £8 million, upon hearing the news that airbus, the company that makes them, is scrapping production in two years time. Theyve been a hit with pilots and passengers alike. They say this is a great air plane, it has trended on twitter all day. Airbus has spent £20 billion making them. But the main buyer, emirates, has dramatically cut back on its orders. And without demand, airbus has decided to cut off future supply. Lets speak to the aviation journalist david learmount. What is behind this decision from emirates . Its not a surprise to anybody that the a380 production line is being stopped. I didnt expect it today, the announcement, but it came today. It was going to come fairly soon. The world of aviation has changed, technology has changed. The aircraft appeared on the scene a little bit too late, really. It is a magnificent aeroplane for connecting the worlds big aviation hubs. Like london, dubai, singapore, new york etc. But it is too big for the point to point traffic which is now very popular among the huge number of world travellers. People prefer now to travellers. People prefer now to travel from their local airport will stop it is very ironic that glasgow is getting its getting its first a380 just as the production line is cut but the a380 will be around for a long time yet, because it is very popular with those who already have one. Surely it doesnt take a genius to realise that people want to fly from their local airport to wherever it is they want to go on holiday, or for their business meeting . Surely it is no revelation that people prefer point to point travel . It is no revelation that people prefer pointtopoint travel . You are absolutely right. It is obvious now but in the past it was not possible to do that because twin engine aeroplanes did not have the range or capacity or economy that they have now. So really, this has been enabled by technology. It is really quite interesting to look back to the 1990s when the a380 was being developed. Everybody was asking boeing, are you going to produce a competing maggotjumbo . They said and have been proven absolutely right, the aid of the megajumbo is over because everyone will travel from point to point now in todays very High Performance and very economic large twin engine aeroplanes, not a great big four engine aeroplane like this. But it still will connect the worlds hubs and will be needed for that. We must state that these planes will still be in the skies, 15 20 years multi macro time from now, and the people working on them will moved to other reduction line so we are not talking about greatjob losses here, but do you think the a380 will go down as a Great Success or failure in aviation history . In technology terms, its a magnificent air plane, and it is popular with passengers. If you havent travelled in one, try and travel in one because its if you havent travelled in one, try and travel in one because its quiet and travel in one because its quiet and anything youve been in, if youre in the economy cabin, you feel as if youre in business class, its a delightful experience. But no matter how good the technology is, if it doesnt sell in sufficient numbers, and it will have only sold about 300 by the time it stops production, nowadays that is not enough to justify it and airbus will lose at least half a billion or approximately half 1 billion on stopping this programme. Approximately half 1 billion on stopping this programmelj approximately half 1 billion on stopping this programme. I know what i need to go for my next flight thank you very much. And some other stories in the news today. The dutch government sees brexit not as the elephant in the room but as a giant muppet style monster lying on a desk. That is the picture tweeted by foreign minister stef blok, with the warning make sure brexit doesnt sit or lie in your way. There is a link to an official website where dutch firms can see the potential impact of brexit on their business. Hmrc are hoping that valentines day will remind couples to apply for the marriage allowance. This lets lower income workers transfer just under £1200 of their personal allowance to their husband, wife or civil partner . If their income is higher. An estimated 700,000 couples who are eligible for the tax break have yet to claimed. Go have a look and see if you can make a saving. Levi strauss is going to list on the new york stock exchange, raising about £a70 Million Pounds to invest in india, china and brazil. These are all Growth Markets for them. The company last listed in 1971 but the family took it private again in 1985. Levi sells just under £a. 5bn of products a year. So still a huge industry. Lets have a look at the markets, we stay with planes because ryanair said it would be interested in buying parts of Thomas Cook Airline if no one comes forward with an offer for the entire unit. Ant financial has agreed to buy british Payments Group worldfirst in a deal said to be worth around 700 million that marks the biggest push yet by jack ma s Chinese Financial Services giant in europe. Brussels has agreed to rules to regulate google, amazon, apple and other Online Platforms in an attempt to strengthen the rights of the businesses and app makers that rely on Search Engines and online intermediaries to sell their services. The ftse at the moment up around 21 points. Thats all the business news. See you soon. Nasa has declared that the opportunity rover it sent to mars has officially eneded its mission, after nearly 15 years on the red planet. The robotic vehicle transformed our understanding of mars by confirming that water once flowed there. Andy beatt has more. Designed to lastjust 90 days, opportunity landed on mars in 200a and instead decided it would stay a while, spending the next decade and a half roving the eerie martian landscape, reliably sending postcards back home, including proof that water, the necessary Building Block for life, did indeed flow at one point in martian history. But then a summer dust storm covered the rovers solar panels. 0n the 10th ofjune it sent back this image, before falling silent. Now, after sending thousands of unreturned messages over the past eight months, scientists have come to the inevitable conclusion that opportunity is no more. It is therefore that i am standing here with a sense of deep appreciation and gratitude that i declare the Opportunity Mission is complete, and with it, the Mars Rover Mission is completed. But Mars Exploration is not over yet. A new robot will be launched in 2020 and curiosity, which landed in 2012, is still covering ground. Like many on social media, it offered its own eltonjohn tribute to its fallen forerunner, saying that your candle burned out long before your science ever will. But the death of the rover some have nicknamed 0ppy, marks the end of the longest serving space robot, which gave us the first glimpses of hope of the possibility of life elsewhere. Tomorrow, thousands of children across the uk will walk out of school for two hours in an effort to persuade politicians to bring in tougher measures to deal with global warming. The schools for Climate Action movement started after a 15 Year Old Girl called Greta Thunberg started a solo protest outside her Parliament Buildings in sweden. But critics have accused her of being publicity seeking, and promoting the idea of kids missing school. The Victoria Derbyshire programme s James Waterhouse has been to meet some of the teenagers taking action against Climate Change. Our world shouldnt have to have conservation because our planet should be being respected and preserved. For more than a century, our planet has been getting warmer. And the row over what to do about it has not exactly been cooling off. Now schoolchildren are taking stands for their futures. Thousands of students around the world shouldnt be having to strike from school to make our voices heard. We are off to meet holly. We also decided to produce as little carbon as possible on ourjourney to meet them, which wasnt easy. Im off to meet the girl whos already been doing this for weeks in the scottish highlands. There are a growing number of young voices allowed to do this now. Waiting is holly. When her mum kate. In solidarity with greta, holly has been missing an hour of class every friday morning. I care about Climate Change because its my future and its pretty bleak if we dont do anything about Climate Change. I want to get scottish leaders to take Climate Change seriously, and that theyre destroying my future. Most of my teachers are quite supportive of me. Unfortunately the Highland Council and my headteacher dont like what im doing. If they say theyre going to punish you in some way, will that put you off doing it . No. Its a small price to pay for standing upfor our its a small price to pay for standing up for our planet. If you get in detention, that is nothing compared to how we will suffer from ghillie market in the future if nothing is done. Suffer in the future. From peckham to the west end only fools and horses is one of britains most popular sitcoms and now the story of the trotter family has been made into a musical. Its been co written by Paul Whitehouse who also stars as grandad and the son of the sitcoms creatorJohn Sullivan. 0ur entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba has been to rehersals ahead of the official opening next week. Del boy. And rodney. Stars of the musical based on john del boy. And rodney. Stars of the musical based onJohn Sullivans long running sitcom. It has been co written by comedian Paul Whitehouse who also plays granddad. It was because John Sullivan whitehouse who also plays granddad. It was becauseJohn Sullivan was actually writing the musical when he died that the whole project really asa died that the whole project really as a legitimacy that i thought was 0kfor me as a legitimacy that i thought was ok for me to try and work with has a legitimacy. For the actors playing del boy and rodney, a daunting step playing characters made famous by david jason and nicholas lyndhurst. The fact its a musical gives us a bit of distance from sir david and nicholas because they did just the most incredible job. Those characters are as good as they are thanks to john and those two actors. Yeah, we dont want people to see a carbon copy of it because for us, we dont want to do a carbon copy but also for people to work, its sort of about lending ourselves to it, giving the people what they want but also remaining sort of going at a different way for it ourselves. The programme of course has been enjoyed by millions over the years and everyone here is hoping one of tvs most popular shows can also become one of the west ends most popular musicals. Before the weather, lets take a quick look at the house of commons where we expect the house of commons where we expect the Brexit Debate to get under way scene. Theresa may under the threat of another rebellion from her own back benches as she tries to get support for her brexit plan. The brexit secretary Stephen Barclay will open that, there will be able from keir starmer, a number of amendments being tabled to you today possible commotion. But right now youre watching bbc newsroom live. Todays possible motion. Now its time for a look at the weather with mel coles. Weve had some dense patches of mist and fog around, they are slowly starting to lift across parts of central, southern and south west england. All bringing in this milder airfrom the england. All bringing in this milder air from the south so we will see temperatures recovering, getting a taste from early spin. As the sunshine gradually works its way through the day for stops also cloud in scotland where it will be hazy, sunny spells for Northern Ireland, but temperatures 12 13dc and possibly 15 in parts of aberdeenshire. Into this evening, under the clear skies, the temperatures drop away, particular for central and eastern areas where we could see temperatures as low as minus two celsius, so if ross expected, particularly in labour spots, in more rural spots. It will be stubborn to left. 0nce in more rural spots. It will be stubborn to left. Once it does, it isa stubborn to left. Once it does, it is a good looking day, plenty of sunshine, the wind strengthening to Northern Ireland into north west scotla nd Northern Ireland into north west scotland as rain starts to show its hand,it scotland as rain starts to show its hand, it will be breezy here as well but temperatures still doing well. You re watching bbc newsroom live these are today s main stories Shamima Begum one of three schoolgirls who left london in 2015 to join the Islamic State group, says she wants to return to the uk so her unborn baby can be looked after. If you have been out there against the advice of the Foreign Office to go, and engaged in support or activities of terrorism, you should be prepared, if you come back, prepared to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted. The Prime Minister faces another rebellion on brexit in parliament as mps prepare to debate the next steps in the process. This is the scene in the house of commons. The duke of edinburgh will face no further action over his collision with another car near sandringham last month. Waiting times for accident and emergency units in england have reached their worst level since the four hour target was introduced in 200a. And after 15 years on mars, nasa calls time on the opportunity rover crediting the robot as having transformed our understanding of the red planet. Good morning. Welcome to bbc newsroom live. A london schoolgirl who left britain as a 15 year old to join the so called Islamic State group says she wants to come home. Speaking to the times, Shamima Begum, who is now 19, married to an Islamic State fighter and says she is nine months pregnant, says she wants to give birth in the uk. This morning, the security minister ben wallace told the bbc that anyone whojoined is must understand that actions have consequences. Chi chi izundu reports. Pictured for the first time in almost four years in a camp in Northern Syria Shamima Begum, one of the three schoolgirls from Bethnal Green who left to join the Islamic State group, which by then already had a murderous reputation. Just 15 when they went, she told the times about their arrival in is territory. She told the times reporter, anthony loyd, that her friend Kadiza Sultana was killed in an airstrike. But she said the third Bethnal Green girl, amira abase, was still alive two weeks ago. And Shamima Begum doesnt accept they made a mistake injoining the Islamic State group. But she does say while she was with is she lost two children through malnutrition and sickness. She is now nine months pregnant with a third child and is desperate to get back to the uk. The home office says anyone taking part in conflict in syria or iraq must expect to be investigated by police, to determine whether they have committed criminal offences and to ensure that they do not pose a threat to national security. We are joined now by sir peter fahy. Hes the former chief constable of Greater Manchester police, and also National Lead of prevent, which is the government s anti radicalisation strategy. Looking at this interview that Shamima Begum has given and at the detail of what she said and the fact she expresses detail of what she said and the fact she expresses no detail of what she said and the fact she expresses no regret for the past four years, what do you make of her request to come back to the uk . think it is naive, the idea she think it is naive, the idea she think she could come back to the uk and have a normal life with her child. It is difficult to see how that could happen. The challenge in this case is notoriety, it has generated so much public emotion and anger and it would be a challenge for the police force to keep her safe if she came back. What is the legal position . It is she has a right to come back to the country, but the likelihood is she would be detained at the port of entry and there would be an investigation whether there was evidence for her to be prosecuted. No doubt Intelligence Services has gathered material while she has been there and then there would be the decision to prosecute or whether she needs to be monitored or suitable like the prevent programme. Beyond that, you could see she would be a threat to Community Cohesion because the case has generated much public anger and emotion. And no doubt extremists from the right wing side and islamic side could use her case to promote their own ideology. If you look at Public Opinion there is opposition to the idea of her coming back to the uk, given that she left when she was 15, and the fact she seems to expressed no regret in the interview. Could her return be counter productive to the Muslim Community . Absolutely, that would be a concern. Her case symbolises a particular notion, extreme notion within the islamic faith, but also a notion of somehow women are there just to be chattels of men, to be sexual slaves, and to almost produce more Freedom Fighters and a lot of people will find that deeply offensive. The reality of the jihadi bride notion has been decried. What it is is raped and forced marriage. That is the difficulty in this case. There have been people in the isis territory who have come back to the country and been investigated, monitored, but the challenges the no notoriety of the case that makes ita notoriety of the case that makes it a challenge and complex. You could not have somebody in this country who could end up being a spokesperson for isis. And in trying to promote this ideology. We heard the security minister say if she we re the security minister say if she were to come back she would be investigated, do you think the government will hope that they do not have to deal with this and she will not get to a place where she can travel to the uk . I think so. Everybody deserves a Second Chance and rehabilitation, but it is the complexity of the case and emotions it generates, either you are right, i think the authorities will hope she does not make it to our shores. From what you have read and no of attem pts from what you have read and no of atte m pts to from what you have read and no of attempts to dee madigan lies people who have been in this situation, do you think she sounds like she could bea you think she sounds like she could be a candidate for deradicalisation . Do you think her indoctrination is complete . Dee madigan lies people. She has to show a degree of openness. Prevent programme is volu nta ry, openness. Prevent programme is voluntary, eve cannot force anyone, so she would have to show a willingness to be rehabilitated and challenge her own views, and it does not sound like she is in such a position. The former chief constable of Greater Manchester police, thank you. Mps have begun debating the way forward for brexit lets go straight now to the house of commons and listen , to our assistant Political Editor norman smith is in the houses of parliament for us now. Tell us about the process. I understand the amendments up for debate are being mentioned before we get into the debate proper. There are ten amendments ranging from another referendum, to lets have an indicative vote. Most of them will not get voted on and i do not think any will get passed. We really have to focus on the government motion and, as things stand, no one is blinking. Number 10 say they will not twea k blinking. Number 10 say they will not tweak the motion to take on board the concerns of brexiteers. Brexiteers are accusing the government of putting down a quote, gratuitously divisive motion. As things stand, mrs may would appear to be heading towards defeat. I am joined by a brexiteer, andrew bridgen, and given where we are in the brexit process, key negotiations under way, clock ticking down, why do you not just under way, clock ticking down, why do you notjust calm down, get on board, give mrs mason space . The problem is that the government 5 so called neutral motion implies implicit support for the amendment we voted on a couple of weeks ago which we were whipped to vote against witches to take no deal of the table. If you take that off the table, no walk away position, there can be no renegotiation and there is no leveraged with the eu. Why do you think the government has put down this motion . And i think they want to count the guns of the e r g and see how many votes we have and i think they want to divide the er jeep. We are having a meeting this afternoon and hopefully will come to afternoon and hopefully will come to a collective agreement, but i will struggle to vote for the government where we are being asked to vote or something that two weeks ago we were whipped against. Why would the government want a trial of strength with the drg even be consequences, they say, would be to undermine any prospect of theresa may getting concessions from the eu . Concessions, olly robbins has already undermine the Prime Minister and the fact he is and he is still in position is worrying. They wa nt still in position is worrying. They want no deal of the table and want to get into the end of the negotiations with the Prime Ministers Withdrawal Agreement, which is toxic, or potentially a 21 months extension to the brexit negotiations, which is politically toxic and damaging for our democracy. I want to keep no deal on the table. What about loyalty, we saw theresa may brokering a truce with you, saying she will go to brussels and try to get the backstop reworked. You came on board and were happy and now you appear to be turning against mrs may. happy and now you appear to be turning against mrs may. I would like the Prime Minister to explain what she is negotiating with the European Union. She was given the task of going to brussels to get rid of the backstop and to replace it with alternative measures. The problem for the eu is it is clear when you look at the Withdrawal Agreement and future Partnership Protocol that what they have in mind for the uk is effectively the backstop. That is i believe the special place in hell the eu has for the brexiteers, the backstop. The problem is we have sussed it but they are reluctant to drop it. Do you think mrs may privately wants to ta ke you think mrs may privately wants to take no deal of the table . you think mrs may privately wants to take no deal of the table . I think the Prime Minister desperately wants to get her deal through the commons and the whips office will do anything they can to make that happen for her. But everybody has to know without a walk away position there can be no renegotiation. I think leaving on no deal is a good solution. If the eu wont compromise may have been intransigent. We would be cashing in, going to wto and could instigate offering the eu tariff free trade while we sort out the free trade agreement. We do not pay 39 billion. 20 billion of the payment would be for transition and we would not be in transition and we would be out and a sovereign nation having fulfilled the mandate at the referendum to deliver. Thanks. It looks like we face showdown time potentially in the commons around 5pm, 6pm tonight because, at the moment, there is no sign mrs may will avoid the revolt by her brexiteers. Ok. Thank you. We will have more on the debate as it moves today to see what twists and turns it takes. More on the s main stories coming up on newsroom live here on the bbc news channel, but now we say goodbye we are not going back to the commons yet. I can tell you about a story that emerged a little while ago. The duke of edinburgh will face no further action over the collision on the a1a9 near sandringham last month, the Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed. Our Legal Correspondent Clive Coleman explained how the cps would have come to their decision. Just near to the sandringham estate, the dukes land rover collided with a vehicle with three occupants including two women and a baby. The duke has apologised to the occupants and on saturdays said he was voluntarily giving up his driving licence so he will not drive on public roads and today we heard from the cps and they have decided, having looked at the evidence gathered by police, it is not in the Public Interest to prosecute him. What were the considerations for the cps in looking at bringing charges . Just as they would be for any other prosecution they apply a 2 part test and first look at the evidence gathered and decide whether the evidential test is passed, whether there is a realistic prospect of a conviction which is sometimes referred to as the 51 test, better than 50 chance of a successful conviction and if it passes that test they consider whether it is in the public to prosecute. We have a statement from the chief crown prosecutor for east of england who says, the cps has carefully reviewed material submitted by police and he said, we took into account circumstances of the case including the level of culpability, the level of blame, the age of the driver and surrender of the driving licence and he said they decided it would not be in the Public Interest to prosecute and he adds all those involved in the collision have been informed and provided with an explanation in writing. Age is a factor you take into consideration when assessing what is in the Public Interest. Age alone is not a bar to prosecuting and people in their 90s have been prosecuted and there are people imprisoned in their 90s but age is a factor and that was a significant factor and that was a significant factor in this case. A e waiting times in england have reached their worst level since the four hour target was introduced in 200a. New data from nhs england shows that during january, just 8a. A of patients were treated or admitted in four hours, against a 95 target. The last time the target was hit was in july 2015. The data shows more than 80,000 people injanuary waited four hours or more before they were officially admitted and a bed was found for them. Were joined by our health reporterjohn 0wen. The big headline is that this is the worst record in the nhs wants to set. What are the stats say . It is not good news for a e waiting times. Statistics released this morning, we have seen the proportion of patients treated or assessed within the four hours in england is the lowest level since the target was introduced in 200a. Hospitals are supposed either treat and discharge or admit. 95 of patients within that four our window but in january, just 8a. A patients within that four our window but injanuary, just 8a. A of patients were seen within the four hours and that was down from 85. 3 injanuary hours and that was down from 85. 3 in january last year and also down from the previous lowest figure of 8a. 6 in march 2018, which means in total 330,000 patients waited longer than they should have before being treated or admitted, with hospitals reporting significant problems finding beds for those needing to be keptin finding beds for those needing to be kept in hospital. What does it mean for how the nhs is coping this winter . It shows that despite fewer headlines about the nhs in crisis compared to last year, the system is under immense pressure. Even with the mild winter we have had, and without an outbreak of things like norovirus, january has been a tough month. Doctors say they saw a higher proportion of complex cases than usual, which might account for some of the problem. John, we will have to wrap up that conversation because that debate in the house of commons is getting under way on brexit. We can listen in. In the name of the right honourable member anna soubry. Iremind the right honourable member anna soubry. I remind the house that under the terms of the business motion the debate may continue until 5pm by which time the question must be put to any amendments. To open the debate, secretary Stephen Barclay. 0n the 29th of january, a majority of honourable and right honourable members told this house and our country they would support a deal. This was conditional that members we re this was conditional that members were prepared to compromise on issues, but not on the overriding issues, but not on the overriding issue of the backstop. The government motion today references and confirms the houses support for the motion passed on the 29th of january as amended. My right honourable members, i willjust make a little progress before we come to interventions. The amendment gives the government and instruction which it has taken to european partners. This polymers mandate must now be given the opportunity to achieve its end and the Prime Minister the chance to do so. It is clear the government priority is to address the indefinite nature of the backstop, which is legally required to be temporary. I want to address theissues to be temporary. I want to address the issues of members who are concerned whether this motion gives credence to the government taking no deal off the table. Given this debate and dispute about the meaning of the government motion, can he be clear that in the event the European Union does not agree to a deal acceptable, we still will be leaving on the 29th of march . acceptable, we still will be leaving on the 29th of march . I am happy to give him that assurance. The position of the cabinet has been agreed in terms of no deal, in response to the cabinet paper ive presented in december, and my right honourable friend has repeated on many occasions including in a statement this week in terms of her commitment to scale. He set out why he is observing what the house said in terms of alternative arrangements. Why does he not also act on what the house is said in terms of the government ruling out no deal . The short answer is the house has said two things, it has passed legislation that said by a big majority on article 50, which many on both sides voted for, it passed legislation to say we are leaving on the 29th of march. It put the date on the bill. The house voted also to give the people the decision through the referendum by a large margin, and the legislation frankly large margin, and the legislation fra nkly ta kes large margin, and the legislation frankly takes precedence over that motion and that in essence was the point of order raised and i appreciate he has done it at least as an intervention but the same point stands. In encouraging the government to keep its nerve during negotiations, and whilst accepting that the majority i think in this place would favour a good deal over no deal, can the government confirm for clarity that should we not be able to secure a good deal, probably courtesy of intransigence by the eu. Then we will not only be leaving on the 29th of march, but we will be leaving on no deal and wto terms. As a former member of the royal regiment of fusiliers he knows about holding his nerve and he is correct, we do as a Parliament Needs to hold our nerve and send a clear signal to those in the European Union with who we are discussing these issues, who share our desire for a deal and to respect we are trading partners and wish to get onto a future Economic Partnership and work together. I give way once more to him. We agree about the importance of keeping our nerve and by keeping no deal on the table it makes a good deal more likely, but can he answer my specific question which is if we do not achieve a good steel, on the 29th of march, we will notjust be steel, on the 29th of march, we will not just be leaving steel, on the 29th of march, we will notjust be leaving the eu but on no deal terms . For the avoidance of doubt i am happy to confirm, because thatis doubt i am happy to confirm, because that is what the legislation says. The only way to avoid no deal and this is a point that the Prime Minister has repeatedly said, but it is the point backed up legislation, the only way to avoid no deal is to either secure a deal on the terms the Prime Minister set with a mandate the house has given in response to. Otherwise it is too revoke because it says the only alternative otherwise. Of course i will give way. The only other option will give way. The only other option will be to revoke and if that requires it to be unconditional. Of course i will give way. He was moving onto an alternative but it seems he has just moving onto an alternative but it seems he hasjust given the most stark expression of policy i have heard the government gives so far on what will happen. It has alarming possibilities. He says we are bound by legislation where we passed article 50 which we are but when the house passed that it was on the assumption a negotiated deal was going to be arrived at. Indeed at one point the Prime Minister presenting to this house what she said was the ideal deal, to go on to the full negotiations towards the declared government aim of a proper, permanent relationship with the eu in due course. The idea that simply because the Prime Minister is probably going to fail to persuade the other Member States to put a time limit on a permanent open border in europe, we go for the catastrophe of no deal on an arbitrary date of 29th of march is ridiculous and the government could have a policy of coming back here to defer or revoke article 50 to put the situation in some order. defer or revoke article 50 to put the situation in some order. I do not accept while respecting the considerable experience of the father of the house, but i do not accept that merely restating what is the legislative position is presenting issues in a start way, nor do i accept to quote him, that the Prime Minister is going to fail. The Prime Minister is working in the National Interest and seeking to bring our country together and to get a dealfor our bring our country together and to get a deal for our country. Bring our country together and to get a dealfor our country. A bring our country together and to get a deal for our country. A short extension does not take no deal off the table, it simply prolongs that uncertainty and leaves in place the risk of no deal in a few months. will give way. The prime minster metals before the first vote when she lost by 230 and she said at that point in the deal was not accepted it was either no deal or no brexit. Should the government be moving to that point, put it to the house, you either have brexit that will crash the economy, or we forget this silly game with one letter from the Prime Minister and revoke this nonsense. It could be over in an afternoon, get on with it. Given the preponderance of the snp to have independence referendums. The one thing we can be sure with the snp is it will not be sure with the snp is it will not be over in an afternoon. be sure with the snp is it will not be over in an afternoon. I am grateful to my right honourable friend. Cani grateful to my right honourable friend. Can i say i very much want to see a deal done, i think it is in the countrys interest and in the interest of industry. But it is also, with. The history of seeing how the European Union will change its mind and will come through with fresh negotiations, perhaps at the la st fresh negotiations, perhaps at the last minute. Can he tell me how talks have been going on, and does he get the indication this is what we should allow the government to do . As is often the case, he reflects a sentiment one hears in the country at large, which is the desire for a deal and that is as he says a desire shared by many we have been speaking to in the eu, because they recognise that no deal is in neither sides interest and recognise it is disruptive. I come onto not just recognise it is disruptive. I come onto notjust what recognise it is disruptive. I come onto not just what the german chancellor has set herself in terms of seeking a solution constructively, but the fact eve ryo ne constructively, but the fact everyone looks at the political situation in many european countries, the coalition that is in place, and it is in both sides interests. I give way. We want to get a deal with the European Union, but is it the case if you take no deal off the table it is the surest way of ensuring the other side dig in on position. Those who call for no deal to be taken off the table play into the hands of the possibility of no deal. Will he update us on discussions with irish counterparts, because they play a crucial role and cannot hide behind brussels and likewise brussels cannot hide behind dublin on these issues. He is right. First, it is important we have that on the table andindeed important we have that on the table and indeed the only way to take it off the table is either to have a deal or revoke brexit entirely. I will come onto those discussions, including the discussion the Prime Minister had with the taoiseach and her visit to Northern Ireland. He talked about the impact of a no deal from an irish perspective and the common desire to see ground. I will make some progress and then happily ta ke make some progress and then happily take some further interventions. I think itsjust take some further interventions. I think its just worth reminding the house because a number of interventions have sought to represent the position of the Prime Minister. Its worth reminding the house of what the Prime Minister herself has said. It is that the government position remains the same. The house voted to trigger article 50, that had a two year timeline ending on the 29th of march, we want to leave with a deal, thats what were working for, thats the government position and that has not changed. I will make a little focus and then i will happily take further interventions. Mr speaker, this is also an important issue in terms of the position of european leaders which is if the eu were to make changes to the backstop, whether that would enable a deal to pass. Its important a clear message therefore is sent to be house as pa rt therefore is sent to be house as part of those negotiations. Collea g u es part of those negotiations. Colleagues should be in no doubt that the eu will be watching those tonight carefully for any signs that our resolve is weakening. We should not give them that excuse not to engage. Indeed, in the discussions we have been having with european leaders, there is a recognition, as the memberfor leaders, there is a recognition, as the member for Belfast North reflected, on the shared desire to secure a deal, because the impact of no deal is asymmetric within the eu 27 which is a part of the discussion Member States in themselves are having with the commission. I give way to the honourable gentleman and the honourable lady. Given the European Union is saying it will not entertaina European Union is saying it will not entertain a legal changes to the legal agreement were ace share the desire to get a deal and made clear i would support the government if it came to in a future vote. But i need to know what compromises you going to know what compromises you going to give to this house that better reflects the will of this house rather than sibley putting a deal back to us that has been incomprehensible in rejected . Rather than simply putting. incomprehensible in rejected . Rather than simply putting. I will come onto that issue. In terms of the premise that the european opposition has stated, is that there will be no movement. Actually the European Union have also stated they wa nt to European Union have also stated they want to avoid no deal, which is hugely damaging, the European Union have also stated that they want to be clear what the will of this house is, and what it is that is required in order to secure a deal. It is self evident there is a degree of ambiguity within those positions and i will come onto it, the discussions we have been having with european leaders is absolutely on that issue. That is why we need some time in terms of the vote this evening to continue with those discussion. I will of course give way. Im grateful to the secretary of state being generous of his time. But is he really saying that if the government has no deal in place by the end of march, if it has run out of time, then it would go ahead with no deal on the 29th march . Even when Top Police Chiefs are saying it will make the country less safe, nhs leaders are saying there will be shortages of medicine . Is he 100 committed to no deal on the 29th march in those circumstances . Or are there any circumstances in which he would extend article 50 . Again, what i set out was we are 100 committed to the position set out and agreed by the cabinet, that position was agreed by the 18th of december, and i draw the house attention to the fa ct i draw the house attention to the fact emotion today does not change that position. That position it is our priorities endure a deal. And the best way to mitigate the risk of no deal is to secure a deal. I will come onto some of the issues in respect of the consequences of no deal and i have been quite clear with some of my colleagues on my own benches that i do view a no deal as disruptive, much more so than some of my right honourable friend. But our priority is to secure a deal. But the operational, principal operational focuses if not is to prepare for what is the legal position. I thank the honourable memberfor giving way. Position. I thank the honourable member for giving way. The reality is that the vote against no deal in this house was more convincingly pass, including the cross party support, than the vote to have the Prime Minister go back and negotiate on alternative arrangements. The government cannot simply just on alternative arrangements. The government cannot simplyjust pick and choose. Which votes it once to support. That is fundamentally wrong and anti democratic and it is totally the wrong way to handle such an important issue for this country is brexit. Can he not see that, can he not listen to the representatives of Community Around his country who are deeply concerned about a new deal exit . And want this house was like a will to be respected . deal exit . And want this house was like a will to be respected . I very much respect the position of my right honourable friend and i expect on this we agree to disagree, which is what i have set up is firstly the position agreed by cabinet, secondly what is the legislative position and thirdly what is the interplay in terms of the nation before the house this evening. I absolutely respect the honourable lady in terms of how few cast that vote in that division. But the point is it doesnt change the stated position of the government, that is what i say now. And setting out. Government, that is what i say now. And setting out. My right honourable friend, who is taking a lot of interventions but im looking very closely at this motion and i support the premise tos deal, i wa nt support the premise tos deal, i want us to get a deal. But the words hearsay support for the approach to leaving the eu expressed by the house on the 29 january two motion is carried that night. Both of which i supported. I would like to hear from the right honourable gentleman that he gives equal respect to the opinion expressed by that house. If he fails to do that, it is contemptuous of this house. Firstly, i absolutely respect votes of this house, indeed when we had for example be humble motion in terms of the attorney generals legal advice. Order, order. Can ijust appealed to the secretary of state, the secretary of state in my experience is the most courteous individual and they understand the temptation to look at the person questioned him, but the house once to be hearing what he says. Please face the house. I absolutely accept your direction, mr speaker, on that point. What i was seeking to engage with, my right honourable friend, on the point she is making in terms of respecting the house, of course we do, that applies for example in votes such as the attorney general pars legal advice, which was disclosed following humble address. Notwithstanding the precedent created for future government. The point i was merely stating which i thought was a point of fa ct, stating which i thought was a point of fact, is that the legislative position as it currently stands is that as set out following the vote to trigger article 50, that is the position now. As you say mr speaker, ive taken quite a few interventions, ive made a bit of progress not least because unconscious many others were to speak. Mr speaker, one part my honourable friend asked was to explore whether Technology Offers a solution to the backstop. Im grateful to my honourable and writable friends who engage with this work. Following the support of the house for this motion, the Prime Minister gave a commitment to engage seriously with the ideas put forward. I have held a series of detailed meetings doing just that. The political declaration makes explicit that both the eu and uk expletive exploring alternative arrangements and im happy to commit to my honourable and right honourable friends that the government will take that forward. Including both investing Civil Service resource in exploring its viability and its acceptability to the community as a holster the possibility of returning to the arrangements as envisaged by my honourable friend has been put in the wording of the declaration. The document notes that the eu and uk making use of the facility to arrangements and technologies. It goes further with the political declaration noting such technology should be considered in developing any alternative arrangements to ensuring an absence of the hard border on the island of ireland. ta ke border on the island of ireland. take my right honourable friend for giving way. Take my right honourable friend for giving way. I thank the honourable member for giving way. Will he confirm using existing techniques and Technology Already used across the border in Northern Ireland, that actually using those and using those for the future arrangements, actually gives a good direction and foundation on these alternative arrangements . direction and foundation on these alternative arrangements . I do agree because that is already agreed by the European Union and the United Kingdom in terms of being reflected in the political declaration itself. It is an issue i have been discussing with honourable friends and right honourable friends in terms of the alternative Work Arrangements working group. I also committed to members of the house, i raised this in mind discussions earlier in the week with Michel Barnier. I must be frank. Also with the house, that he was sceptical in terms of the timescales of that but we are actively discussing with it andi we are actively discussing with it and i simply point out that is already accepted in the political declaration and we are exploring following the working group what can be done in terms of the timescales. I thank the honourable member for giving way. In terms of the alternative arrangements working at the malthouse compromise we have read about, can you tell us is that no government policy to take it forward and will he work that proposal to the eu as part of the negotiations . I can confirm to my honourable friend is we have taken it forward to the European Union in that i have raised it with Michel Barnier. I will discuss it again with him, he has raised some initial concerns, but we are making that case and discussing it with him. But it is already accepted by the European Union in terms of the political declaration and the work strea m political declaration and the work stream that will flow from that. Of course, i give way. Ithank stream that will flow from that. Of course, i give way. I thank the honourable member for giving way. Hesjust told the honourable member for giving way. Hes just told the house that honourable member for giving way. Hesjust told the house that he has put proposals in his discussions with Michel Barnier. Can you therefore explain why yesterday, donald task said, and i quote, still waiting for concrete realistic proposals from london donald task. On how to break the brexit impasse. One should always be cautious about what is said on twitter generally. That applies even to someone as esteemed as president tusk. I was updating the house in terms of the discussions i have had with Michel Barnier as my opposite numberfrom with Michel Barnier as my opposite number from the eu with Michel Barnier as my opposite numberfrom the Eu Commission side. In terms of following up on what this house agreed, which was that we have had support and raised it with the european commission. Let me make some progress. I thank the honourable member for giving way. The task that he set out in terms of the alternative is large and the window to deliver it is getting smaller. In the interest of pragmatism, can i urge my right honourable friend in the front bench, i appreciate will not extend article 50 for no purpose, but if all it requires is another three or four weeks workjust to top the i and crossley t, then surely we are not going to bite off our nose to its right our faced dot is and cross ts. But what i hear from many in the Business Committee if they dont want more uncertainty. They wa nt to dont want more uncertainty. They want to see us move forward, they wa nt to want to see us move forward, they want to see us move forward, they want to see a deal secured. My right elbow friendly Prime Minister will meet with president Jean Claude Juncker next week and conversations are being held with other european leaders by her. My right honourable friend the attorney general is looking at other potential legal challenges to the agreement. My right on the pro minister has also may be why the government position clear to many of the eu. As i have two the European Peoples Party leader, the coordinator and the eus chief negotiator for in addition, the chancellor, the duchy of lancaster myself, have met a wide ranging key european stakeholders. 0nce wide ranging key european stakeholders. Once they publicly said there will be no reopening of the Withdrawal Agreement, they also said as the Withdrawal Agreement, they also said as i pointed out earlier, that they want to avoid no deal, they wa nt to they want to avoid no deal, they want to reach an agreement, they wa nt want to reach an agreement, they wantan want to reach an agreement, they want an agreement that will be supported by this house. Members will also see the comments from leading european figures such as the german chancellor, who spoke of her desire for a constructive solution. The house needs to give the Prime Minister the time in order to explore that. I will of course give way. I am very grateful and green to be brexit secretary though he might not be as grateful to me for taking this. Can you confirm the British Government has no intention of replacing the backstop which is essential to make peace on the maintaining peace on the island of ireland . I look to with interest at her exchange on deep exit select committee and referencing the belfast good friday agreement. Brexit select committee. Vertically about Mutual Consent and the community. That is the point that is particularly well made and is at the forefront of the discussions in Prime Ministers having with the taoiseach and european leaders. thank the honourable member for giving way. The amendment they have passed which my right honourable friend clearly stated, the intention was to replace the backstop with alternative arrangements for the ha rd alternative arrangements for the hard border. We have had very constructive meetings with the secretary of state, mr speaker. Gurty confirmed therefore that the malthouse compromise could you confirm therefore that the malthouse compromise is stated policy and has been put to Michel Barnier and has the full force of the superset is to work it civil surface to work it into text . This issue has been raised with Michel Barnier and i have given a commitment it will be raised to be next exchange, and given a commitment to Civil Services are engaging on this issue is that i have also communicatively found the initial response far Michel Barnier was duped raised concerns as to the extent to raise concerns as to the extent of concession from the have taken also interventions, and concerts many other members including my opposite number will wa nt to including my opposite number will want to come in so well make some progress. It is clear that a workable compromise with the eu on the backstop can secure a substantial and sustainable majority in this house and give the Prime Minister clear and irrefutable mandate to get a deal over the line. In supporting the government nation today, the house can do that. Getting to come in mice is a challenge but getting a compromise is a challenge but not insurmountable. We need to come together and find a solution. Both sides must continue to work hard to find and grow the common ground, and they think that is in the interest of many people watching these proceedings. As we prepare to exit the European Union, this government is focused on us most pressing task. To deliver a legally binding change to the backstop and we are committed to delivering on that key demand. I meet in with the european ambassadors tomorrow to continue that case and my right honourable friend the Prime Minister is speaking today with a series of european leaders. We are also engaging widely across this house, be that with the alternative arrangements working group, yesterday with my shadow opposite number, for the 30th of january meeting between the Prime Minister andy leader of the opposition. So we have clear outcome, a programme of engagement with european leaders, and engagement across this house and engagement across this house and the leader. We need to give government time to make good on this work and as a house to hold our nerve. To deliver. To deliver a deal that addresses the twin risks of no deal or no brexit. And also to respect the biggest vote in our democratic history and deliver what people voted for. Order. Order. The question is as on the order paper. So keir starmer. Thank you, mr speaker, i rise to move and support amendment a in my name and the name of the leader of the opposition. Mr speaker, the secretary of state ended by saying weve got to hold our nerve. He was all over the place this morning. All over the place. On all of the important issues. Mr speaker, mr speaker, it is obvious, it is obvious what the Prime Ministers up to. She is pretending to make progress while running down the clock. A non update every other week to buy another two weeks of process. Inching ever closer to the 29th of march deadline in a3 days. We should not be fooled. Looked at the history in recent months. And set it against the exchanges this morning. The Prime Minister pulled the meaningful vote on the tenth december, promising to seek further reassu ra nces promising to seek further reassurances on the backstop. She feared significant defeat and it was obvious that the backstop was the problem way back then, as it had been through the autumn. That was 66 days ago. It was then 109 days to the 29th of march. I will eliminate. And she returned with nothing. i will ina and she returned with nothing. i will in a minute. 0ne and she returned with nothing. i will in a minute. One word in the margins of the eu summit in december and a letter, coupled with a statement about Northern Ireland, that simply repeated already existing commitments. That is what she came back with. The meaningful vote was then put on the 15th january and lost heavily. That evening, the pamina still stood at that dispatch box and promised to explore ideas with the eu Prime Minister stood at dispatch box. That was 30 days ago. In 75 days until the 29th march. I will in just a minute. Then two weeks after that, on 29th march, the prime and is devoted for the so called brady amendment. Just a minute. Calling for the backstop to be replaced with alternative arrangements. Extraordinary, a Prime Minister voting to support her own deal only on condition that it is changed. Traditional support for her own deal. Nobody prepared the Business Community for that, nobody prepared Northern Ireland for that, or eu leaders and anybody who spoke to businesses or been to Northern Ireland or spoken to political leaders in the eu recently knows that by three line whipping her own mps to vote against the deal she negotiated, the Prime Minister has lost a good deal of trust in the process. I will give way, i will give way. I think the right old gentleman for giving way. Can you not understand the nonsense of his own argument by suggesting on the one hand the Prime Ministers running down the clock and then listing the various occasions where shes tried to stop the clock, get a deal and exit the European Union . to stop the clock, get a deal and exit the European Union . I am grateful for that intervention. I think the honourable member has missed the point. The Prime Minister has spent weeks. He once an answer and wants to into one tried to speak. Prime minister has spent weeks and weeks and weeks trying to negotiate changes to the backstop. Started way before the vote was pulled on the tenth december and it has gone on ever since and she has absolutely got nowhere. I will give way, i will make the next point and then give way. The idea that the vote on the 20 january for the brady amendment gave clarity is for the birds. The govern united around a proposition that they want an alternative to the backstop, but uniting around an alternative that means Different Things to different people doesnt get anybody anywhere. That is the central problem. In one minute. Yesterday, after another non update from the Prime Minister, what she said about the backstop, corrected. She is dead on the backstop three things. One, a she discuss the backstop and listed three things. One a time limit or unilaterally ending the backstop or alternative arrangements. Thats how she protect. The first two have been repeatedly ruled out for the eu for months. There is no sign of any movement. The secretary of state, in his discussions in brussels in recent days, knows that well, there is no room from even on those two fronts. I will adjust a second. The third alternative arrangements remains undefined. When the Prime Minister is pressed here or in brussels about exactly what she means, she doesnt say and the malthouse compromise and the answer the secretary of state gave give the game away. If that was a serious proposition that the government was engaging in, it will be adopted as policy and put resource into it. But it isnt. What signal does thats anti brussels about what the government really thinks about malthouse compromise . does that send to brussels. Does that santi brussel. He has promoted a second recommend them and how has he got on with that, andl them and how has he got on with that, and i does he think a second referendum would increase or decrease investment confidence in the United Kingdom . Im getting on fine, thank you very much. So keir starmer responding to the effects brexit secretary for labour. You can continue watching that on Bbc Parliament and we will have more throughout the day here on the bbc news channel. Breaking news that a heroin addict convicted of killing a 100 yuan woman whose handbag he stole has been sentenced to 15 years in prison at Derby Crown Court today. 100 year old woman. Zofija kaczan who had survived a nazi prison camp died from complications linked to the injuries she sustained when she was knocked to the ground in the mugging. The judge described her attacker forty year old arthur waszkiewicz. In a moment its time for the one oclock news with Reeta Chakrabarti but first its time for a look at the weather. Hello. Another one day for many of us hello. Another one day for many of us after a very chilly start. For some places a foggy one which cause problems on the roads and again it will be an issue for this through the coming night. But because we have wins coming in from the south and south west where we pick up some moisture over the Atlantic Ocean but its pulling in warmer air over our shores tempered his are peaking higher than normal at this time of year so it has been a very mild day with plenty of sunshine accepted in north west where we have the re m na nts of north west where we have the rem na nts of wea k north west where we have the remnants of weak weather front. So its remnants of weak weather front. So its bright and dry here with just the odd splatter of drizzle. As we go for the evening and overnight, the skies are clear even in the not so again it is going to be cold, there might be a hard frost at 1 or two, but in the suburbs it could be eight temperatures a couple of degrees down. The north west, the wind is increasing ahead of the atla ntic wind is increasing ahead of the atlantic system, High Pressure still be dominant feature, keeping the weather fronts at bay, but the south westerly friend weather fronts at bay, but the southwesterly friend went will keep the fog away. But not further south and east. There is potential for disruption to transport as we head through tonight and friday mornings rush. 0therwise friday looks like a fairly decent day for most of us. Fog clears south, it lifts and then we see sunshine then going into the afternoon. As we seen in recent days, temperjust get into the mid teens so we could see a 15 16 in the friday. A little bit of piled around the coast, and again for Northern Ireland and scotland it is increasing amounts of wind, gales and rainforthe increasing amounts of wind, gales and rain for the Western Isles to but it is relatively mild by date that used have the long nights so temperatures dip away tomorrow night, and degrade pretty sharply. We go into the weekend on a chilly note in the morning but for most of us, the days were feel quite mild and it will stay dry, so some good weather for heading out for a walk perhaps, maybe a bit more cloud on saturday but particularly for Northern Ireland and the west of scotland, again most of the rain hangs fire and till late in the day. For most of us its dry and mild, 121adc, but for most of us its dry and mild, 12 1adc, but ever so slowly, the High Pressure really quickly is it grip and low pressure starts to work in. Goodbye. 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