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millionnaire, richard mason, says he doesn't regret suing their mum, even though it means two of his children won't now speak to him. you can watch that full interview at around 1015. and a tearful andy murray tells a news conference that next week's australian open could be the last tournament of his career as he struggles to recover from hip surgery. i'm not sure i'm able to... to play through the pain, you know, for another four or five months. we'll get reaction from former british women's number one annabel croft. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00 this morning. have you got more than two children and are on universal credit so can't claim benefits for them all? today the government's announced a u—turn on its multiple child policy, saying everyone who's got three or more children born before april 2017 will now be able to claim payments for each child. will this affect you? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you— and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. here's annita with a summary of the days news. around 15,000 families with three or more children will not have their universal credit capped, in another government u—turn on the benefit payment. the two—child limit came into effect in april 2017 — but did not initially apply to claimants whose children were born before that date. the exemption was due to end next month but will now continue. in a dramatic and tearful press conference overnight, andy murray has announced his intention to retire from tennis. at a press conference in melbourne, the former world number one — who has been struggling with a hip injury — said he hopes to bow out after wimbledon, but also warned he could be in too much pain to continue playing following next week's australian open. a review of decades of scientific research has confirmed the long—held belief that eating a high fibre diet reduces the risk of heart attacks, strokes and other diseases. fruit and vegetables, as well as plenty of nuts and seeds, are being recommended, after the major review published in the lancet. the analysis also expresses concern that popular, low carbohydrate diets could be putting people's health at risk. many us government employees will miss their first paycheck today as the shutdown enters its 20th day. president trump has said he has an "absolute right" to declare a national emergency so he can get the $5 billion he's demanding for his proposed wall across the country's southern border with mexico. he is refusing to approve government funding unless the us congress gives him the money. police in las vegas have issued a warrant for a dna sample from the footballer cristiano ronaldo. they are investigating rape allegations against the portugal, juventus and former manchester united star. his lawyer has insisted it is a "very standard request". ronaldo denies assaulting kathryn mayorga at a las vegas hotel in 2009. new research suggests that an increasing number of secondary schools in england are in financial deficit. a report by the independent think—tank, the education policy institute, says that a third of secondaries had overspent their budgets by the end of last year. the government insists that spending on pupils is rising. facebook is to roll out a team of independent fact checkers in the uk next week, in the site's ongoing battle with fake news. the social media giant, which has been criticised in recent years due to users spreading misinformation online, will be working with fact—checking charity full fact, to flag content which is deemed as incorrect or misleading. award—winning bbc television and radio presenter dianne 0xberry has died, following a short illness. she was 51. dianne became well—known nationally on radio 1, working alongside simon mayo and steve wright. after studying meteorology she became the weather presenter for bbc north west tonight in 1994. the winner of the bbc music sound of 2019 is 0ctavian, a 23—year old rapperfrom london who was previously homeless as a teenager. the 23—year—old began to attract wide attention after high profile musicians began sharing his music on social media. the award goes to performers who've never had a top ten hit, and aims to boost the profile of new music talent. previous winners include adele and sam smith. and they have done rather well for themselves, haven't they? that is a summary themselves, haven't they? that is a summary of the news. coming up just before 10:15... three—times grand slam winner andy murray has broken down in tears in a news conference, saying the australian open next week might be the final tournament of his career because he can't continue to "play through the pain" after his hip surgery. we'll hearfrom former british women's number one annabel croft to get reaction. do get in touch with us throughout the morning on all the things we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. a lot of people already getting in touch about the universal credit. how is it a u—turn when they have only taken some people out of the net. another anonymous text message says i agree with the two child on benefits. it is about time those on benefits. it is about time those on benefit realise it isn't a bottomless pot of money. an employee cannot go to their employer to us for a wage rise every time a child is born into theirfamily. this is an option that should be considered if you choose to have more children. bagnis on facebook says it is time to scrap universal credit and start again. people are being driven to despair trying to navigate the department for work and pensions website, not being able to speak to somebody who knows what they are doing is a joke. somebody who knows what they are doing is ajoke. if somebody who knows what they are doing is a joke. if you have more band two children born before april 2017 and it means you are going to get more money for those other children, get in touch this morning. it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on those and hear what difference it will make. in the next few minutes, work and pensions secretary amber rudd will announce major changes to the controversial welfare scheme, universal credit, where six benefits for working—age people are merged into one payment. there's been a u—turn on a decision to make the two—child benefit cap retrospective. now, all children born before april 2017, when the welfare cap was announced, will be supported by universal credit, instead of only the first two children in a family. the government says that will help around 15,000 families a year. and instead of all claimants on the old system being moved onto universal credit, there'll be a twelve month pilot scheme, wherejust 10,000 people will move. only after this will mps be asked to vote on moving all three million people claiming the relevant benefits across to universal credit. but the government's still facing pressure to reduce the five weeks new claimants have to wait before receiving any money, something which thousands of families say has plunged them into poverty. we'll bring that news conference by amber rudd to you live as soon as it starts but first lets talk to, heidi allen, a conservative mp and member of the work and pensions committee who has been an outspoken critic of the way universal credit has been working. maria amos, who has been on universal credit since 2016. we are going to cross over to amber rudd who is speaking live at a jobcentre. rudd who is speaking live at a jobcentre. the principles of helping people into work, making work pay and providing support in times of need. i want universal credit to retain that support as we deliver it in practice. this means delivering it in in practice. this means delivering itina in practice. this means delivering it in a way that meet the needs of claimants, who come from every conceivable background and each with the potential to achieve their ambitions. in welfare, there is no one size fits all solution. universal credit offers the opportunity to move away from that. it must treat individuals as individuals. i will set out the first steps i will take to achieve that today. our welfare system is based upon three, fundamental principles. first, work. those who can, should and those who cannot should be protected from poverty. second, work should always pay. and third, the system should be fair for the taxpayers who pay fit and fair to those who receive it and fair to future generations who do not deserve to become trapped in it. as a nation, i believe we all want a decent safety net. if you are facing a difficult moment in life, the state should be there to help you. whether that is becoming unemployed, falling ill, facing bereavement, nobody should find themselves alone in desperate circumstances. but it is vital people are supported by the safety net, not trapped beneath it. it is there to help people get through difficult times. it is not meant to be a mode of long—term subsistence for those who can work. for the vast majority of people, it is ultimately work, not benefits, which provides the route to a better life and the welfare system should clear a path for that route, not block it. work gives purpose, dignity, security, the opportunity to provide for your family and progress in earnings and build a fulfilling life. in this respect, the old system was broken and that is why we had to reform it. despite what some people suggest, the legacy system, six different benefits from three government departments, was not a utopia we should return to. thousands of claimants on that system a re thousands of claimants on that system are currently failing to claim theirfull system are currently failing to claim their full entitlement because they find it so confusing. these people, some of the most vulnerable in society are failing to receive, on average, £285 a month. under the old regime, claimants who moved off benefits into full—time work lost welfare payments almost immediately, which resulted in effective tax rates of 90% on their income. as an mp, ifrequently rates of 90% on their income. as an mp, i frequently met people who wa nted mp, i frequently met people who wanted to burn more but were too scared to take on extra hours knowing they'd have so little to gain... we are going to keep an ear across amber rudd who is speaking at across amber rudd who is speaking at a jobcentre across amber rudd who is speaking at ajobcentre in across amber rudd who is speaking at a jobcentre in london, across amber rudd who is speaking at ajobcentre in london, making that announcement about universal credit. any new announcements she makes, we will bring to you. but i want to introduce you to our guests. i was saying just before we listen to amber rudd, maria amos is with us. she has been an universal credit since 2016 and she has had panic attacks because she needs to manage it online but she doesn't have access to a computer. and emily dorman—0'gowan, is a single mum who went on universal credit after losing her job following a car crash in june 2017. emily, i want to speak to you, if i may. tell me what your experience has been like going on to universal credit? hello, chloe. it has been absolutely terrifying. i would like to pick up on something amber rudd just mentioned, which was the protection from poverty for those who cannot work. that is exactly what is happening to those in a similar situation to myself. we are being thrown into poverty. from the moment i went on to universal credit, i went into arrears on my rent, which is with a social housing group. it is affordable housing. i had a notice for repossession hanging over my head for about eight months of last year as a result. i had huge council tax arrears due to valuation office delaying my valuation office delaying my valuation by two years and i was taken to court by the county council for that. because i was unable to pay it on universal credit. the idea that universal credit is stopping people from falling under the system is an absolute joke. again, that was something amber rudd just highlighted. she said we don't want people trapped. i am trapped, there is no question about it. and what shejust said is no question about it. and what she just said about the idea of people being effectively taxed up to 90% of their salary when coming off benefits, it is still happening with universal credit. if you don't know what your earnings are going to be from month to month, you don't know what you're universal credit is going to be from month to month and anything over the 190 something threshold you are allowed to learn, you are deducted 63% of your universal credit against whatever you are earning, so universal credit against whatever you are earning, so that vicious cycle is returning. maria, have you had a similar experience? yes, hello. hello chloe. yes i have, when i first went on to universal credit, i have worked all my life when i was 16. my lastjob was in chester zoo and whenl 16. my lastjob was in chester zoo and when i finish that is, i was only there for ten months. i had to sign on and i was put on universal credit. i live on my own, i have nothing for five weeks. i had no savings, i had nothing for five weeks. at the end of five weeks, all i had was water in the tap. people don't believe that, but that is all ihad. i don't believe that, but that is all i had. i decided to end my life. i didn't, my friend saved me. after five weeks, the first thing they did when they paid me was take my council tax out of it and deducted council tax out of it and deducted council tax. i couldn't understand it, i really couldn't. maria, iwant to put that point to heidi alan, a member of the work and pension select committee. you have been very outspoken over the way universal credit has penalised people. when you see this announcement from amber rudd, she is talking about 15,000 families benefiting from getting payments if they have more than two children born before april 2017, but it is still this five—week wait before people are paid that is plunging people into poverty. if that was changed, that would help everybody, 3 million people on universal credit? totally, you are preaching to the converted. i am starting to sound like a stuck re cord starting to sound like a stuck record because i keep talking about it. the five week is one of the big one, and the benefit freeze. benefits have been frozen for four years. there is one more year to i’ui'i. years. there is one more year to run. when we set a policy, inflation was very low. but inflation has come up, wade roger rises have gone up. —— wage rises. the five—week rate, you are right. i mentioned this in the house of commons on monday. i have been suggesting to successive secretaries of state and i have spoken to amber rudd recently. if it was made that lost myjob and i needed a couple of months to get sorted, i would needed a couple of months to get sorted, iwould be needed a couple of months to get sorted, i would be fine because needed a couple of months to get sorted, iwould be fine because i have some savings. but for people who have no financial resilience, the advanced payments the government made available, literally on day one, if you are struggling, you can have an advance payment, but that is alone you have to pay back. you can pay it back over a year and that in theory sounds fine but when it is being deducted from a pretty small amount anyway, it can be crippling. ican amount anyway, it can be crippling. i can see maria is doing eyes heavenwards and emily is shaking her head. if you get that advance payment, it is alone which you have two payback? this needs to be very strongly clarified, chloe. the loan system, when you ring and ask for the loan, the person you speak to on the loan, the person you speak to on the phone tells you what they think the phone tells you what they think the maximum is you are able to borrow. they then set a timetable for the repayments. so for example, i think for the repayments. so for example, ithinki for the repayments. so for example, i think i borrowed about £130 from them initially and i had two payback £30 a month. so with all due respect to what heidi has just said, the idea of being able to pay over the long term is a nonsense. 0k?|j didn't finish what i wanted to say... you are only allowed to borrow what they think you can rip pat’- borrow what they think you can rip pay. so that is a real grey area. -- repay. what pay. so that is a real grey area. -- re pay. what i pay. so that is a real grey area. -- repay. what i was going to come on to say, the amount that is taken away is not from a very starting pots so it can be crippling the people. what i have asked amber to look at is the first advanced payments, i think that should be your first payment, not the loan, but payment that is and then taken back. it isn't alone. if they have made a best guess as to what they think your monthly payment will be, if it is wrong at the first month, they can tweak it up or down and then you are back in cycle with universal credit each month. then when you are back on your feet and you come off universal credit, take it back then. it is like a deposit when you pay your rent is, you don't get your deposit back, you can pay your last month's rent. i think that would transfer universal credit for a lot of people. emily, this led to you having to go to use food banks? yes it did. i think i used the foodbank in my town for about eight weeks, which is so humbling and humiliating at the same time. for strangers to turn up on your doorstep and deliver food, strangers to turn up on your doorstep and deliverfood, it strangers to turn up on your doorstep and deliver food, it is an act of kindness that i almost, well i cannot adequately describe it. but by the same token, you are then living on food which is full of things that are bad for you and you are told you shouldn't be eating, like sodium nitrate impact meets. forgive me for jumping like sodium nitrate impact meets. forgive me forjumping in we want to go back to listen to amber rudd because she is talking about private landlords. they can request where necessary , landlords. they can request where necessary, for their tenant's landlords. they can request where necessary, for their tena nt‘s rent to be paid directly to them. i will consider what else we can do because iam consider what else we can do because i am determined to help people stay in their homes. i am looking at what more can be done to support those who find monthly payments too difficult to manage. we need to go back to first principles, reviewing how we identify claimants who might struggle to manage on monthly payments and ensuring work coaches and moving them on to more frequent payments when necessary. i have asked jobcentre plus to test how we can improve the provision of more frequent payments for new claimants. those pilots will start shortly and once we have evidence of what works, we will roll it out further. we must ensure the provision of frequent payments doesn't slope the system for users who don't require them, but i believe we can offer this facility more widely so those in genuine need can take it up more readily. indeed some of the most exciting results we have seen from universal credit have resulted from personalised and targeted support reaching the right people. this is particularly true for groups who have historically been left out of the labour market. women can never be truly free until they have economic independence. studio: that is amber rudd speaking live at a jobcentre in london. we are trying to clarify if she is saying that rents could be requested to be paid directly to private landlords, because this has been a huge issue. maria, i can see you nodding because under the previous benefits, rent would go to the landlord rather than the claimant. now the claimant receives the money. would you find it easy if your rent was taken out first before the money came to you? well, where i live now, my rent automatically goes to my housing association. because you are in social housing and they do that for housing association?” in social housing and they do that for housing association? i am in a place for the over 55. if you have an issue and you don't pay your rent, i don't ever want to be in that situation so my rents, because i asked for it to go straight to them, you know? my rent is paid now, so them, you know? my rent is paid now, so that is a worry of my head. emily, do you think it would be beneficial if that rent was taken out before it got to the claimant? this happened to me because of the notice of repossession. one of the first payments i got from universal credit left me with less than £1000 for a month and i credit left me with less than £1000 fora month and i rang my credit left me with less than £1000 for a month and i rang my social housing landlord and said to them, please can i pay you 400 instead of 520 this month because the £120 would mean the world to me? and on the back of that they went straight to universal credit and said, get the payments direct to others. i personally feel there is a massive question over the direct deductions process , question over the direct deductions process, because who needs the money more, the landlords or the council tax or the individual who needs to be able to eat and wash and be warm and feel secure? i can clarify that amber rudd has just said that private landlords will be able to request that rent goes directly to them, which has been something i know many people have been asking for. thank you all forjoining us. if you are affected by that, if you are on universal credit and you are in private accommodation, would that help if the money was taken out directly before it got too? get in touch with us. four working single mothers have won a high court challenge over the universal credit welfare scheme which they say has left them struggling financially because of the way their payments are calculated. our correspondent andy moore is at the high court this 20 page judgment was delivered just a few minutes before amber rudd got on herfeet just a few minutes before amber rudd got on her feet to make the speech about universal credit. at the very least, certainly an embarrassment for the government. what the high court has decided is these four women will be allowed judicial review so they will be allowed to have a full hearing of their arguments in this case. but it is essentially in shorthand, the government lost today and the women have won at least the first stage of this case. they argued there was a fundamental problem with the way universal credit was not working for them. they said they were losing hundreds of pounds because of the way salaries are paid. sometimes they were paid on the 31st. if it was a bank holiday they would be paid on another date and that meant they were paid twice in one month and then the universal credit went down drastically and was cut back altogether. in this judgment, down drastically and was cut back altogether. in thisjudgment, the judges said that the defendant, the department for work and is, erred in treating the combined salary as combined income. so they are saying the department got it wrong and that is why thejudicial the department got it wrong and that is why the judicial review is allowed on that basis. the department for work and pensions will have to come up with a skeleton argument saying how they intend to change the system and there will be appearing on these issues next month here the high court. andy moore speaking from the high court, in london. still to come. his pain and sadness was written all over his face — an emotional andy murray was in tears as he said he fears the australian open could be the last tournament of his career. we'll get reaction from former british tennis number one annabel croft. music. plus a year ago he was penniless — now rapper octavian‘s the bbc‘s sound of 2019, an award that's previously gone to the likes of adele and sam smith. we'll hearfrom him in the next half an hour. a man who discovered, after being diagnosed with the life—limiting illness, cystic fibrosis, that he couldn't be the father of his three sons because the condition causes lifelong infertility has told this programme the news left him feeling suicidal. doctors revealed in 2016 that richard mason couldn't be dad to the children who are now 19 and 23. richard sued his wife of 20 years, kate, and they recently reached a settlement of £250,000, with her admitting she had an affair while the couple had been married. we spoke to richard and his current partner emma. when he said to me, you've got cystic fibrosis, i immediately thought, oh, my god, my sister died of that at 29. and her death was very hard for me, because with cystic fibrosis you slowly suffocate on your own phlegm, and it took her two years to eventually... waiting for a heart and lung transplant, and then she died in the operating theatre. so immediately i was just very saddened by that. but then when the discussion then turned to fertility and he said, look, yourself and emma, you know, you're going to have difficulty having children because you are, as a man with cystic fibrosis, infertile. it was certainly like being hit by a sledgehammer. ijust went, oh, my god, you know? you suddenly realise that your children aren't yours. so immediately you knew the significance of what he'd just said to you? yeah. yes. both of you? there were medical experts in the room and, you know, it's impossible without ivf for a man with cystic fibrosis to have a baby. so then i said, well, you must have the diagnosis wrong, because i have already got three boys. but i sort of was, like, clutching at straws, there. so after that it became a complete blurfor me, because it was almost like, you know, i don't know if you've ever hit your head really, really hard, and it's like a ringing and you just... you can't see anything that's going on around you, you can think of anything that's going on around you. it's almost like you just have this ringing in your years and it's all the implications of everything as a result of that start flashing through your mind. like what sort of questions are you then immediately asking yourself? he just wanted to go straight to phone kate, his ex—wife, and say, kate, spare me the dignity, just tell me the truth. was there anyone else? when i managed to compose myself, it was about an hour later. i composed her text and i said, look... and this text has been in the press, but it is actually repeated verbatim from what i sent to her, and it's still on my phone now. i said to her, look, i've just been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, i'm not expecting you to be sympathetic about that, because she's a very hard person. but the reason i'm telling you is that the boys are not likely to have been fathered by me. now, obviously there's something's gone on, and if you are honest about it with me, i don't intend to sue you, and you can decide how you want to tell the boys. if you want me to be there at the same time, that's fine. but if you lie to me, then i will take action and i'll decide how i'm telling the boys. and the immediate response i got back was, erm, i am sympathetic, but whatever science says, those boys will always be yours. those boys will always be yours? slightly different than saying you are definitely the dad. when you were diagnosed, your sons were 21 and the twins were 17, i think. yes. when your then wife was pregnant on those occasions, did you ever suspect, have any inkling to think that's a bit odd, at the time of the pregnancy, through the birth, afterwards? erm, there was... one or two occasions that... after the boys were born i thought that they didn't resemble me as much as, you know, you'd imagine that boys would. they didn't look like you ? well, they've got darker eyes than me. i have almost no body hair and the boys have got very dark hairs on their legs, and things like that. but around the time that she got pregnant, we were. . . we'd been having unprotected six for seven years and nothing had happened. now, she always said to me i have a tilted womb, i don't know what that is but it means that it's harder for a woman to get pregnant. so we'd always thought it was her. and we've gone for fertility treatment, or to see the gp to start the fertility process. and the gp said, well, the first thing that has to happen is you have to be tested, mr mason, and then we test your wife. now, it's likely to be three occasions of ivf that you're going to need at about £5,000 a time, so it's £15,000, but after that there's a good chance you'll have a baby. so when we went home, we both were working at barclays at the time and she said, look, we've got our careers, we're both... i mean, yuppies was, like, in the 805, you know, a really, like, popular term for young people who were doing well in their careers. she said, we're both yuppies, let's just carry on with our careers and see how it goes. a few months later she was pregnant. so i thought, oh, my god, that's weird. because you often hear of people going for treatment and then suddenly naturally getting pregnant. and she said, it's just one of those things. so i did feel a little bit, now, that's a surprise, you know? because we'd go to start the ivf, then decide not to, and she gets pregnant. this is... i mean, you've described the turmoil, or you've described it feeling like you were hit with a sledgehammer. did you... did you consider taking your own life? many times. the consultant said to me, once cystic fibrosis kicks in, and i'm one of the oldest people in the uk with cystic fibrosis, and probably the oldest person ever that i know of to be diagnosed with the... the average death is 41, and most children die of it a lot younger. like his sister, as well, at 29. so you know that you've not got a particularly pleasant future. how did the knowledge, then, of discovering that your boys couldn't be yours affect the way you felt towards them, if at all? they're still my boys, and i still think of them as my sons now. because i have been their dad. do you love them as much? you can't. .. you can't not love somebody simply because... in fact, you know, even, you know, if somebody committed some sort of offence against you, if the boys had done something wrong, i'd still love them, you know? they've done absolutely nothing wrong, they‘ re completely innocent in this as well. they are the victim, like i am. so, of course, yeah, my arms are still open for them and i would dearly love them to come back into my life. well, two of them, i understand, aren't in your life because they are cross that you sued your ex—wife, kate. it's paternity fraud, you said. you won this court case, this settlement of £250,000 from your wife. why would you risk your relationship with your boys when you say you are their dad, you love them as much, by going ahead with that legal action? i've always brought my boys up to be honest, stand up to bullies, never tell lies. all the time... i was divorced from her for ten years and all the time they were with me, all the weekends that they were around my house, i used to say to them, look, do not keep any secrets from your mum, be open and honest with her. anything i do, anything i say, i don't mind your mum knowing about, because i want an open, honest relationship with them. so i've brought them up to be open, honest, stand up to what you think is right. somebody committed a 21—year fraud against me. yeah, but not them. and now you've lost two of them. they're not in your life. no, but the point is, how do i allow somebody who has committed something like that against me, my ex—wife, to just go off, scot—free? because there are many times... because the risk is you lose two of them, and that's what's happened. but they're grown men. they're grown men. they understand that i have to take action against it. in families, when there's been tragedy or anything like this, history tends to repeat itself through generations, and richard wants to ensure that those boys don't think this is normal behaviour. she was completely denying that i wasn't the biological father, so up until the court case only a few weeks ago, she was still saying, even with dna evidence, i'm sorry, the dna evidence must be flawed. you're the biological father. and the court case has absolutely settled that, yeah. so, if i am the biologicalfather, those boys would all have a risk of having cystic fibrosis. they will need to tell their insurance companies, they need to tell their potential partners, their children might have cystic fibrosis. i wouldn't even be allowed to meet them, because people with cystic fibrosis cannot meet other people with cystic fibrosis because they cross—infect. right. so by going to, via my solicitor, finally she then, a few weeks ago, said, actually, i accept you're not the biological father, the boys have got no chance of having cystic fibrosis from me. i can meet them now and they're free of knowing that they've got a potential genetic disease. understood. do you know who the father is? i've no idea. why have you offered a £5,000 reward to find out? i was toying with that as a... as a strategy, because what i... what i feel like is two fifths of my life, 20—odd years of fifths of my life, 20—odd years of my life, have been a complete lie. the person i thought i was, i'm not. the relationship i had with the boys is not the same as i thought it was. a wife that i thought was loyal but i had to divorce because we didn't get on was not. so what i want to do is sit down with this guy and say, were you there in their life? when i was watching them play football, were you there? did you buy them christmas presents? how did you deal with the first pregnancy, you know? did you know about the pregnancies? were you there for the second pregnancy? you want to meet him and you want to ask those questions? yeah, you want to find out what happened. it's almost like you've been in a coma for 20 years and you wake up and you think, god, this guy is a significant participant in my life that i've never met. 0k. and i have a desire to do that before i die. do you know when that will be? my lungs have deteriorated about 15% in two years, at that level of deterioration, maybe six to ten years. thank you very much for coming on the programme, we appreciate it and we wish you all the best. thank you. one of britain's greatest living sportsmen has announced he'll soon be hanging up his racket. the three—time grand slam winner andy murray says he plans to retire after this year's wimbledon but fears next week's australian open could be the final tournament of his career. the former world number one has struggled since he had hip surgery last january. he was in tears as he spoke to journalists in melbourne last night. yeah, so i'm not feeling good. obviously, been struggling for a long time. i've been in a lot of pain for what's been probably about 20 months now. i've pretty much done everything that i could, you know to try and get my hip feeling better. you know, it hasn't helped loads. i am in a better place than i was six months ago, but you know, still, still in a lot of pain. andy, does that mean that this might be your last tournament? um...yeah, ithink... i think there's — there's a chance of that, yeah, for sure. um...yeah, there's a chance of that, for sure, because — yeah, like i said, i'm not sure. i'm not sure i'm able to — to play through the pain, you know, for another four or five months. the former british number one annabel croft told me how difficult a moment this must be for andy murray. it was pretty difficult to watch that interview, as you say, very heartbreaking. and i think it's the fact that it's just coming at a time when he is not in control of what he would like to do. he doesn't want to finish his career on these terms. i think he felt like he had so much more to give. and you know when you think back to his achievements, three grand slam titles, two wimbledons, two olympic gold medals, a davis cup title, and then that year where he really hammered himself to end the year as the world number one, when he beat novak djokovic in the finals at the o2, and itjust felt as if maybe that was the breaking point, hejust pushed his body to the limit, as he always did when he was competing on the court, and he hasn't really ever recovered from it. and ijust think it's really heartbreaking, because this is not the way he wants to finish his tennis career. and you've obviously played at the highest level in tennis, what does it do to you psychologically to know you've got more to give but your body is essentially giving up on you, what is it going to do to him? i think it's really, really tough. fortunately, he has a fantastic family around him. he's got two young kids which are definitely going to keep him occupied for the next few years. and let's face it, he hasn't absolutely announced it just yet that he's going to retire this week. we don't know what can happen when he gets on court in melbourne here this week. but, you know, it does feel like it's very, very close to the end and i feel like, you know, seeing that raw emotion coming out of him, it feels like it's going to eat away at him a little bit, the fact that he wasn't able to finish on his terms. but i think as we all know, he can look back with so much pride on the achievements that he has had in this game. because it's been phenomenal. and i think he's also going to be remembered as one of the most grittiest, braveheart fighters that's out there on the tour, who, you know, was in an incredible era as well. you have to remember he's been in such a high level era, with the likes of roger federer, novak djokovic, rafael nadal, himself, and all of them have pushed each other to the mental and physical limits. but, you know, it'sjust sad that perhaps we have seen his best years, that's for sure. and i guess as well, he needs to think about those two kids that he wants to run round after. i heard some reports are saying that it hurts him even to put his socks on in the morning. so he's got to think about life after tennis as well and being able to just walk, run around and function? i think that's right because sometimes when you watch ceremonies that take place on great centre courts around the world and you see some of the great players from years gone by walking out there, and a lot of them are sort of on walking sticks and sort of quite crooked when they're walking out there and you think, not such a great advert for the sport. because it is a sport that really hammers thejoints, and, you know, a lot of the tennis is no longer played on grass courts, obviously, we have wimbledon on the grass but the rest of the tour is played on quite hammering hard courts, on the clay courts as well, with long drawnout rallies. and it's a sport where you change direction and you have to have a lot of agility but you're pushing off onto those surfaces and when you consider some of the matches that andy would have played in his career, best of five sets, four or five hours of tennis, you have to recover, come back and do it again in the next round. so it does push the body to the limits. and as you say, you don't want a situation where you can't enjoy life and you can't partake in any sport going forward. i'm sure that's something that he's considering at the moment. but i think as we all saw in the press conference, a lot of emotion going around in andy murray's head at the moment. maria on e—mail says... i sank into my chair when i saw that press conference. he has been our best they offer many years, when he first won wimbledon, i wasjumping they offer many years, when he first won wimbledon, i was jumping for jov- won wimbledon, i was jumping for joy. it is a sad day for andy and for britain. simon says... this is someone for britain. simon says... this is someone who has given everything in his career, he is not a quitter and this will be so hard for him yet and this will be so hard for him yet and this one... love him to bits, i am heartbroken for him. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. now — the murder and rape of a six—year—old girl called zainab in pakistan caused outrage this time last year. there were angry riots on the streets of the city she lived in, whilst on social media people across the world called forjustice to be done. many saw the publicity around the case as a potential turning point for the tackling of child abuse in a country where the topic is rarely openly discussed. but did it actually lead to any change? secunder kermani has been back to zainab's hometown to find out. six—year—old zainab was last seen alive in this cctv footage being led away from a street near her home by the man who would murder her. she was one of over half a dozen victims of a serial child killer, loose in the city of kasur. when her body was discovered days later, furious crowds poured out into the streets blaming police for not doing enough to stop the attacks. the case dominated headlines. in a socially conservative country, many hoped the attention would raise awareness about child abuse. now, a year on, i want to see whether the tragic murders here have had a lasting impact. zainab's mother still keeps her daughter's school uniform in the room they once shared. she tells me she's struggling to come to terms with her loss. translation: you know what mothers are like, if someone even slaps your child, it hurts you so much. this is the man who killed zainab, 24—year—old imran ali, he was arrested, then executed, last october. zainab's family believe they have now received justice. they say more still needs to be done to prevent other children being abused. translation: there are still so many incidents happening, we need more cctv cameras and the government should introduce a programme into the school curriculum raising awareness about child abuse. translation: i don't think anything has changed. the situation isjust as bad as it was before. as soon as you turn the tv on, you hear stories of other cases like ours. i can't bear to watch that. i can't bear to watch them. the children have different names but i feel as if they're saying zainab's name. everyone says, have patience. but i ask them, where can i get patience from? i still feel zainab's presence at home. zainab's body was discovered in this rubbish dump, she was one of eight young girls to be attacked by the same man. the case did provoke a national discussion on child abuse but many here still don't feel comfortable talking openly about the subject. and victims often don't get the support that they need. this man's daughter was assaulted by the same man who killed zainab. she survived but is still recovering from her ordeal. we aren't showing his face, to protect is daughter's identity. translation: if a door slams, she gets scared. any time she sees a stranger, she is terrified. she runs inside the house and closes the door. if anyone even raises their voice, she gets scared. she's been like that ever since the incident. her father says they were given some financial compensation, but have never been offered psychological support. his daughter was even told to visit the attacker injail to try and identify him. translation: he was inside his cell, thejudge was there as well as two policemen. she started shaking and gasping for breath. no, she shouldn't have gone. at this school in kasur, they are now taking action. the headteacher is talking to pupils about what to do if someone tries to touch them inappropriately, as part of a new scheme in the city introduced in the past few weeks. newly appointed deputy commissioner wasima umar is the official behind the project. what is important is that we communicate, we communicate with our children at home, at school, also, awareness is the key. we need to talk about issues that at the moment are no—go zones. and has that become easier after the publicity around the zainab case? highlighting the zainab case, of course, has helped us in bringing or focus on how parents should pay attention and teachers should pay attention to what is happening with the children once they are out of homes and once they... she says they've also introduced a counselling service for victims in the last month. when i told her we'd spoken to families who had never been offered support, she promised to take action. what we're going to do is reach out to those families, talk to those children. i, for instance, personally, would like to see them and counsel them because i have been a student of psychology myself. according to one leading charity, on average around 12 children are abused every day in pakistan. at times, some end up repeating the behaviour, creating a vicious cycle. a source involved in the investigation into zainab's murder told me the killer himself had been abused throughout his childhood. it's hard to think of someone responsible for so many horrific crimes as having once been a victim, but perhaps if he had been able to access support when he was younger, none of this would have ever happened. on the anniversary of zainab's death, her father has organised a rally in memory of his daughter. the government has promised to pass a bill named after her, improving the way police deal with child abuse cases. her parents and residents here hope some good can come out of this tragedy. 16 years since it first began, bbc music's sound of list is back again for 2019, showcasing the most exciting rising stars in music. previous winners include adele, sam smith, ellie goulding and last year's winner, sigrid. the aim is to predict some of the biggest global superstars of 2019. this year's winner is octavian. and here's a flavour of his music. how you feel. i feel good, i feel alive... well octavian's here, alongside bbc music reporter mark savage. and also we are joined by the bbc music reporter tie thank you very much the coming end rough thank you for having me. what does it mean to win this, when you look at the likes of the other stars who are all behind us who have come before you? i feel very undeserving of it, to be honest. this is very early in my career honest. this is very early in my careerandl honest. this is very early in my career and i haven't really done that much. but it's very exciting for me, it's very, i appreciated very much. does it put pressure on you when you the success of the others? d'you know what, i feel like lam others? d'you know what, i feel like iamon others? d'you know what, i feel like i am on one road and everything is aligned for me. this time last year, exactly this time last year, drake shattered me out... the people who haven't seen that, drake was basically loving your music at the after party at the golden globes, if it puts you on a whole new...?m does. there was nothing i could do about that. it just came to does. there was nothing i could do about that. itjust came to me. i just feel very appreciative of it. and you have got an incredible back story, you were born in france, angolan heritage, came to london when you were three, found yourself homeless before you really got into the music business. what has that done to your desire and your music? well, coming from such a low place, where i had zero money in my account, i had no food, i had no clothes, and to be here right now, itjust shows me clothes, and to be here right now, it just shows me that anything's possible, that i can achieve more thanl possible, that i can achieve more than i think. and there's a lot of people out there that think because of the situation they're in, it's impossible to impossible to get to another situation. it's not, it's very possible, it depends on your mind and your heart and you can get there, no matter what. how do you seriously turn it around from being homeless to being signed?” seriously turn it around from being homeless to being signed? ijust feel like it was all mentality and alljust focusing on the end goal and focusing on my determination and just blocking everything else out, it's all about yourself, really. mark, this can't be underestimated, how significant it is for octavian to win this? no, it shines a huge spotlight, there are 20,000 songs up loaded to spotify everyday so it is really ha rd to loaded to spotify everyday so it is really hard to get your voice heard in the music industry now. being selected by the 136 djs and festival because and tv pluggers who make up the panel really shines a spotlight on you and it helps you get more interviews, like this one, it drives more people to listen to your music, it's just a more people to listen to your music, it'sjust a big more people to listen to your music, it's just a big step up. more people to listen to your music, it'sjust a big step up. and interestingly you're the first rapper to win since 50 cent, and thatis rapper to win since 50 cent, and that is quite a while ago, let's be honest to! crazy, isn't it? going forward this year, what are your big plans? my plan is to just keep on making music, keep on making visuals. the people who don't know me, i'ma visuals. the people who don't know me, i'm a very diverse artists, i don't like to be pigeonholed as a rapper or don't like to be pigeonholed as a rapperora grime artist, don't like to be pigeonholed as a rapper or a grime artist, i hate to be pigeonholed. sol rapper or a grime artist, i hate to be pigeonholed. so i make every single type of music and fashion, i wear every type of thing, i don't like to be put into one box. so you can expect a lot of diversity from me this year and a lot of different things. best of luck and thank you for coming in. lots of you getting in touch on universal credit. linda says... some comments imply those on universal credit are not working, that is wrong, they're on low wages and they are topped up because employers don't pay a living wage. the ignorance is part of the problem. also people getting in touch about the dad who sued his wife because he found out his sons weren't his. if he loves his kids, wise to the money, he is wrong...? that's all for today. bbc live is coming up next. goodbye. we have had another cloudy start to the day but it is breaking up in places. this is the scene at the moment in lincolnshire, from one of our weather watchers. there will be some breaks in the cloud across eastern parts of england and scotla nd eastern parts of england and scotland this afternoon. elsewhere it's going to remain quite cloudy. dry familiar ostroff one or two showers in the far north and west and its milder day for england and wales. 6—19 degrees, fairly similar the scotland and northern ireland as well. tonight, the rain will move south and east buddhism, the breeze picking up behind it in the early hours of saturday. temperatures staying up at 6—7 but it is the wind which is going to become a feature for many of us over the weekend, particularly on sunday back some gales across scotland and the north—east of england. it will stay mild, temperatures the many of us in double figures. a mixture of sunny spells and showers. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's eleven am and these are the main stories this morning: andy murray announces he'll retire after wimbledon — but in a tearful news conference he said his injured hip could force him out even sooner. i'm not sure, um... i'm not sure i am able to play through the pain, you know, for another four orfive months. work and pensions secretary, amber rudd, announces further changes to the roll—out of universal credit — as the high court upholds a judicial review of the way the benefit is calculated. the airline flybe is being bought for just over two million pounds — by a group including virgin atlantic and stobart. the award—winning bbc television and radio presenter — dianne 0xberry — has died at the age of fifty—one,

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