Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20180214

Were on the hunt for the couple whove been together the longest 30 years, a0 years, 50 years . I tell her every day that i love her. He does. All my mates will be laughing if that ever came out. We try to get on with each other. Give and take, really, within marriage, you have to do, you have to make it work. With your other half . This morning how long have you been with your other half . We want to find viewers whove been together the longest. So do get in touch. Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until 11 this morning. Throughout the programme well bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories a little later well talk about a type of Home Business called multi Layer Marketing which is leaving some people thousands of pounds in debt. Really keen to hear from you if youve ended upjoining a multi Layer Marketing scheme has it worked for you . Use the hashtag victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Our top story today the foreign secretary, borisjohnson, is speaking later and will say that leaving the European Union is a cause for hope, not fear. Hell attempt to offer reassurance to those remain voters who feel angry and alienated but hell also say that those who want to stay in the eu cannot and will not win the argument. Lets talk to norman smith who is in westminster. Why is he doing this . Because there is an awareness for the government to press on with brexit. But it cannot press on with a divided country. It has to try and get people together, which is what Boris Johnson is about today. He is going to say i understand your fears and concerns but actually brexit isnt something to be frightened of. Its a great opportunity. He will also try those brexiteers who have adopted a triumphalist tone and say to them you cannot say to remainers you lost get over it. And the fears of remainers about immigration, hes going to say we are not going to become a more insular country, in fa ct become a more insular country, in fact brexit is a moment where we will become a more global come out looking country. He will talk about the Single Market and the customs union. Dont worry we are leaving it, its benefits have been overstated. And he will talk about the brexit dividend with some of the cash going to the nhs. The difficulty, of course, it is pretty late in the day to be doing this. We are 20 months after the referendum. To date on the effort from ministers gone on reassuring brexiteers, in fa ct gone on reassuring brexiteers, in fact saying to brexit supporters dont worry we wont backslide, we will deliver. The other big difficulty is one borisjohnson. Is he the man to deliver that message . Because we know for many remainers he is the brexit bogeyman mark one. Thanks very much. Borisjohnson is due to do that speech at about 11 and you will be able to watch it here on bbc news. Carole walker is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. The jury at the trial of the former football coach Barry Bennell, whos been found guilty of dozens of Sexual Offences against boys, will continue deliberations on other charges today. Yesterday, the jury at Liverpool Crown court returned guilty verdicts on 36 counts and asked for more time to consider seven more. Bennell, who appeared in court via videolink due to illness, declined to give evidence in his defence. Film star Minnie Driver has quit as an 0xfam ambassador following claims that staff working for the charity in disaster zones paid vulnerable local people for sex. The actress resigned after 20 years with the aid agency, saying in a statement that she was horrified by the allegations. 0xfam said it was grateful for ms drivers commitment, and that it was more determined than ever to learn from its mistakes. A teenager has been charged with murder following the death of a baby in southampton. Police were called to residents on sunday morning after reports of a baby boy needing medical attention. He was taken to southampton General Hospital where he later died. An 18 year old also arrested, has been released. A committee of mps has said there is a pervasive lack of trust among disabled people when it comes to how their welfare claims are assessed. The commons work and Pensions Committee said reports by private contractors were riddled with errors. It recommends ministers take the service back in house when contracts end with private firms. The government says the majority of claimants are happy with their overall experience. Two people have been arrested in a raid on the home of the controversial gupta family in south africa as part of a government investigation into undue political influence. The gupta family have been accused of using their friendship with president zuma to promote their business interests. Both mr zuma and the guptas deny the allegations. Mr zuma is under pressure to resign, in part because of links to the guptas and is expected to respond later today to a formal request from the African National congress to step down. With us now is our correspondent Pumza Fihlani in outside the Union Building in pretoria. Pumza could these arrests force president zuma to stand down . There is a sense in south africa that the net is closing in, notjust on president zuma but People Associated with him. There was those raids on the gupta family this money, they are close to the president. The question today will be answered about whether he is going or staying. Should the answer not be what the anc is looking for, they are poised in parliament at the moment to begin tabling a motion of no confidence. Thats a deadline expected in next few hours. President jacob expected in next few hours. President jacob zuma is expected in next few hours. President jacob zuma is running out of time. Thanks very much. A bbc investigation has found that the Prescription Drug xanax is being sold illegally to children on social media sites in the uk. The class c drug is widely prescribed in the us to treat anxiety but can only be obtained on private prescription in the uk. The Home Office Said it was taking action. Instagram and facebook said buying and selling drugs on their sites was prohibited. The actress emma watson has spoken about her shock, at realising that there was no system in place to help people in the Film Industry who had been sexually harassed. Shes one of a number of women whove been consulted by the British Film Institute and bafta, as it announces changes aimed at tackling the problem. 0ur entertainment correspondent Colin Paterson reports. This sunday, its the bafta awards, and the head of british films biggest night of the year, the industry has announced a brand new plan aimed at tackling both Sexual Harassment and bullying. Its a direct response to the Harvey Weinstein allegations. You can talk . Of course you can talk emma watson was one of the many actresses asked for her input. These principles are important because, up until recently, there were no guidelines, there was no protocol for someone that had been sexually harassed in the Entertainment Industry, and i know this to be a fact because ive asked for principles, i asked to see guidelines, and no one could give them to me. To change this, more than a0 organisations, including bafta and the British Film Institute, worked on a set of eight principles which they want to be used across the film, television and video games industries. So, what will actually change . Every production must employ to make people trained to handle any accusations of harassment. A dedicated phone line will open in april, offering free, confidential help. And bfi funding will only be given to projects committed to the changes. This isnt about a set of commandments. Its about a set of principles which everybody has willingly and with huge enthusiasm signed up to. At last months golden globe awards, almost all actresses wore black to show solidarity for the times up campaign, calling for change. The same is expected that the baftas. Those behind todays announcement hope that such a stand will not be needed next year. Colin patterson, bbc news. Thousands of eight and nine year olds are to be formally assessed on their times tables at primary schools in england. The tests will be trialled at nearly 300 schools this spring, before becoming mandatory in 2020. Unions claim they wont tell teachers and parents anything about children that they dont already know, but ministers say the tests will identify those pupils who need extra support. A tv advert for an amazon Smart Speaker has been cleared by the advertising watchdog after it activated a viewers device and placed an order for cat food. The owner of the echo dot which includes the alexa digital assistant complained to the advertising standards authority, claiming the ad was socially irresponsible. Despite the order going through amazon said they marked ads to prevent them from triggering responses from devices in homes and customers had to confirm a purchase or it would be automatically cancelled. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30. Hgppy happy valentines day. This message says we are in oui happy valentines day. This message says we are in our 75th year of marriage. I love it and they say it wouldnt last do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the hashtag victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Lets get some sport now with hugh ferris and were going to talk Winter Olympics, where the curling has started for team gb how excited should we be . We should be. Many at my age will remember rhona martin and her team winning the first gold medal for curling in salt lake city. Since then the teams, both mens and womens, have been regular challengers in the Winter Olympics. The example four years ago it was a silver and a bronze in sochi. Heres how it works. This is a winter sport that grips great britain. The aim is to get more of your stones near the middle of the target, getting there is more like the coldest game of chess. Always thinking a few moves ahead. Each team has four members. They deliver stones. Mattress can last up to three hours. The stones weigh 20 kilos. The matches can last up to three hours. To the action from pyeongchang. Eve muirhead is the skipper. It is her third games. Shes hoping for another medal after a bronze four yea rs another medal after a bronze four years ago. Russia were beaten 10 3 earlier. They ended it early such was the dominance of the british team. The next game will be against the usa. As far as the men are concerned, they won silver four yea rs concerned, they won silver four years ago. Its a Different Team this time around. Paul smith is the skipper. The team are all farmers. And they include two of eve muirheads brothers. Next up for them it is much, much tougher, canada, the world and olympic champions, beating team gb four yea rs champions, beating team gb four years ago in sochi to the gold medal. An update on that throughout the morning here on the bbc news channel. And there was a terrible blow for Elise Christie yesterday in the speed skating. Terribly difficult time. Four years ago she was disqualified in each of her three events. A very emotional girl. We saw her cry in sochi. Another emotional interview with tea rs another emotional interview with tears down her face after crashing out of the 500 metres yesterday. She received lots of support. This is what she put on twitter after crashing out yesterday. This is interesting from instagram. 0ne this is interesting from instagram. One of her rivals, who touched Elise Christie before she went down and crashed into the side wall, put a picture on saying genuine happiness, and Elise Christie responded with actual heartbreak, but today is a new day. You can put your own context to this. Next up, if she is able to gather herself in time, its the 1500 metres. Two more chances for her to make amends. And hugh, who on earth is the flying tomato . Shaun white. He is a snowboarding legend. He used to have massive long locks of red hair. He is 31 now. It is shorter now. That is what happens when you get into your 30s. This was him early on winning a third 0lympic gold in the half pipe. He reclaim the title that he did not win in sochi, surprisingly, four years ago. The american has won the 100th gold medal at the Winter Olympics for his country. He hasnt ruled out having another go in four years time. But in the meantime he might try skateboarding at the next summer 0lympics because that is being introduced for the first time in tokyo. He is a multitalented guy and one of the most decorated in winter 0lympics history. Good morning. How did you catch Downs Syndrome . A genuine question asked by a benefits assessor who was working out how much disability benefit a claimant was entitled to. As a result of examples like that, theres a pervasive lack of trust amongst people with disabilities in the way their claims for welfare are assessed. Thats what a group of mps has found. Since 2013, 290,000 claims for personal independence payments or employment and support allowance which were initially rejected have gone on to be approved at appeal thats a total of 6 of all those assessed. In a moment well talk to a whistleblower who used to be a benefits assessor but quit after five weeks. First, have a look at this. Mps have been looking at how pip and esa assessments and payments are being carried out. Pip stands for personal independence. Its for people with disabilities or Long Term Health problems. Its aimed at people between 16 and 64. Pip is a non means tested benefit which means it doesnt matter how rich or poor you are, youre still eligible to claim it. Its to help with the living costs that accompany any condition. Esa is slightly different. It stands for earning and support allowance. Its a benefit youre paid if your ability to work is limited by a health or a disability. To be able to claim for esa, you have to go through a medical assessment. If you qualify for esa, be put into two groups, either a support group or a Work Related Activity Group. The support group is for people judged unable to work. The Work Related Activity Group is to help those who the government believes could work if they are given help. Last year, mps put out a call for evidence to see if the payments and the companies who manage them had been doing a good job. Their report has found that for the majority of people the system runs smoothly but for a small minority, when things go wrong, they go very wrong. Many say the outcome of their assessments bore little relation to their circumstances, and that assessors were ignorant. One woman was allegedly denied benefits because her report said she walks her dog, but she says she cant walk and does not have a dog. Another person with Downs Syndrome says they were asked when they caught it. After 4,000 submissions, mps have now made recommendations for changes. They say the claim process should be made easier. For example, deaf people should be allowed to fill in their assessment by e mail. They also say that decisions should be made more clear and open, and that claimants should be able to see whats written about them so they can understand how decisions are made. The government says the changes need to be made to ensure every person feels they are treated fairly, with respect and dignity. Lets talk to a whistleblower grace not her real name who worked as a benefits assessor but quit after a few weeks because of the pressure. Shes also a member of the labour party. Frank field is here hes the labour chair of the work and Pensions Select Committee thats the group of mps whove released todays repoort. At her home in yorkshire is cath scarlett, who was so distrusting of the process she secretly filmed it, when she was being assessed. Her twitter bio says she fights for disabled peoples rights in every waking mimnute, trade unionst, disability officer for the nut and labour, and in salford is martin corr whos a probation officer, hes registered blind and applied for pip in order to get technology on his phone. Grace. You worked for one of the companies that assess claimants. You trained for two weeks, you lasted in the job 5 wks. Why . I was disgusted with the system i was working in. It was institutional abuse to me, so i resigned and escalated my concerns to my nursing council. What do you mean by institutional abuse . The system wasnt adequate. It didnt give claimants long enough to explain and express the type of discomfort, the type of pain that they were going through. The nurses were under a lot of stress, and i think it led to a lot of mistakes. I know copying and pasting goes on. What you mean . Nurses copying from word documents onto assessment reports. So not genuinely filling in an assessment report having had an interview with the claimant . No. Why . To save time . Yes. Nurses are expected to assess for five client today. 0ver that, they get a £50 bonus. So if you see six or more clients today, you get an extra 50 quid . There is a lot of sickness, and i think retention is very difficult in this profession. They entice you with high wages, but management put you under so much stress that i think a lot of people leave, a lot of nurses leave. Is there a particular claim that sticks in your mind that you saw . |j there a particular claim that sticks in your mind that you saw . I had a lady come to my service, dropped off bya lady come to my service, dropped off by a landlord, incapable of making her own way there. In my mind, in my experience of over 20 years working with people with disabilities, and this lady had learning disabilities, in fact she said she went a special school, she gave me the name of the school, she gave me the name of the school that she went to. She couldnt read the letters that she brought with her, the evidence. She had over 50 pieces of evidence on a computer, which i was expected to read within half an hour. And clearly she had cognitive difficulties. When i made my report on my observations with my experience, it was sent back, and the auditor made me change and said there was no evidence that she had learning disabilities at all. So an auditor who id never met this person completely overruled you . Yes. Even though you have 20 years in this field, and you had spent time with this woman . It was disgraceful. Frank field, what you think of that . What i was talking to grace earlier, what struck me was not only the humility that she has brought to this task, but she said which was stunning and terrifying, she had been 20 years a nurse, and she had been 20 years a nurse, and she still felt that with all us experience, she was being asked to doa experience, she was being asked to do a job with all the professional expertise that she was not really suited to do, and then you hear that when she does make a judgment to the very best of her ability, the auditor comes along and tells her to change it. And it is this period of growing uncertainty and lack of trust that the Committee Looked at, and we believe the only way of tackling that in the short run is for all these interviews to be recorded. Every organisation concerned with this says we should actually have these interviews, key interviews, recorded. The government when it came to give evidence said we must consult on this, and we pointed out to the government, everybodys agreed but you, so if you are going to do a consultation, it is you talking to yourself. Why dont you make this one bold move and say that people who are disabled dont have to struggle around with a recording machinery to be able to present that things were not as reported, but that it would just be an automatic right for applicants to ask for their interviews to be recorded. What you think of that idea, grace . Absolutely. And for the assessor to use that recording as well to write the report, sometimes reports are left open until the following day. It is totally against policy, but you cant get all the reports written at times. Is it possible you couldnt cope with the pressure . Because you know when you start a newjob, pressure . Because you know when you starta newjob, it pressure . Because you know when you start a newjob, it is hard, you we re start a newjob, it is hard, you were trying to get your head round things, it does feel a bit chaotic. Could that not be part of the reason why you felt stressed . No, i think it was bad management. Some of my collea g u es it was bad management. Some of my colleagues were coming in at half past seven to finish reports and leaving at eight oclock, and then management were asking them to take la pto Ps Management were asking them to take laptops home on their days off to com plete laptops home on their days off to complete report is. Let me read some m essa 9 es complete report is. Let me read some messages here. An e mail, im about claim benefits for the first time in about 25 years due to sickness, and im terrified about it. I know that i give them any excuse whatsoever to turn my claim down, they will, which mix my illness far worse. Frank says, pip assessment awful, they sent a to physiotherapist assess my Mental Health. This person says, my level was dropped, and they said i refused an exam, but i wasnt offered one to refuse. Frank field, you know what the government say, you quote it in your report, which is, 83 of esa claimants and 73 of pip claimants so claimants and 73 of pip claimants so theyre happy with overall experience. The report makes clear that most people dont object, and we hope that figure does reflect how people feel. But for example in birkenhead on friday, a constituent had been turned down. 0ne birkenhead on friday, a constituent had been turned down. One of the questions was, could you go to your local shop . Being very honest, she said yes. What she didnt say, and iioi said yes. What she didnt say, and nor was the question posed in a waiting courage to say, when i have been to the local shop, i am two daysin been to the local shop, i am two days in bed trying to recover. The question was answered honestly but it didnt get anything like how disabled that person was. Let me bring in katha and martin. Cath and martin. Cath, you filmed your assessment, but there was one thing that was odd. Tell the audience what that was odd. Tell the audience what that was. When i got the decision, they had downgraded my care component of it, saying that i could cook meals and i could get myself washed and dressed perfectly 0k because i used a crutch in my right hand. It took me a long time to be able to get a copy of the report, i had to get my mp involved to be able to get a copy, and when i got it, it was full of inaccuracies, from beginning to end. And how did you react when you read it, then . |j beginning to end. And how did you react when you read it, then . I was completely ta ken aback. React when you read it, then . I was completely taken aback. Within the first two minutes of the assessment, there were two. They can only be called liars. I was using crutches, andl called liars. I was using crutches, and i walked very slowly, but they saidi and i walked very slowly, but they said i walked with a normal posture, i held the arms of my chair and lowered myself down slowly, and on the video it actually shows me walking sideways and very stooped on the crutches, so i was leaning on the crutches, so i was leaning on the very heavily, and i dont even touch the arms of the chair to sit down. I was trying to balance myself oii down. I was trying to balance myself on the crutches, and i actually fell into the chair. So not accurate description, you say, of what actually happened . Description, you say, of what actually happened . Absolutely not. There were a huge amount of similar things within the report. Let me bring in martin. I cant hear you down here for some reason, im not sure why. Perfect hello . You have been registered blind since 1979 and you work as a probation officer. Why we are applying for pip at all cause yellow prior to pip, i had been in receipt of the disability living allowa nce, receipt of the disability living allowance, its predecessor, and i was invited to apply for pip. I use quite a lot of technology to allow me to function, primarily a la tonics to read text and magnify stuff, that sort of thing. And how was the assessment process for you as someone was the assessment process for you as someone who is blind and never going to regain their site . As someone who is blind and never going to regain their site7m sta rts going to regain their site7m starts off that they send you a 16 page form, in no otherformat starts off that they send you a 16 page form, in no other format but paper. If you are visually impaired, you accept that as the norm in life. I was then assessed by a very nice lady. I didnt have to get out of my chair at all. But from that assessment she chair at all. But from that assessment she was chair at all. But from that assessment she was able to establish that i could cook meals and i could wash, dress and could travel around safely. This was in spite of a letter from my consultant which basically said that this man has little or no vision and would be severely impacted to move around safely, that i needed a white stick to safely navigate even unfamiliar on familiar routes. The dossier that came back said that whilst they knew i had a white stick, they did not deem it to be an aid. Im sorry . They did not deem it to be an aid. This is a parallel universe. There was lots of suggestions from my collea g u es was lots of suggestions from my colleagues at work about what it actually was for i bet you cant mention those on daytime television, as well yes, none of them can be broadcast let me read some more from the statement. 0uraim is that our aim is that every person feels they have been treated fairly and with dignity. We have commissioned five independent reviews of the Work Capability assessment, accepting more than over 100 recommendations, and two independent reviews of pip assessments. We are exploring options around recordings to promote Greater Transparency and trust. Options around recordings to promote Greater Transparency and trustm is good to hear about. But they could have announced today they are doing, as grace was saying, the importance of recording these key interviews. But they would also need to a cce pt interviews. But they would also need to accept there is a long term problem. If you have somebody like grace, who has 20 years of being a nurse, a highly skilled person, feels this is such a difficult task then you have problems, havent you . Also, when they began this assessment procedure they appointed three private companies to do it. They believed that would attract many more private companies wanting to undertake the work. They havent done that. None of the companies the silva targets. And the government has this key question, what do we do now when the market is setting us towel . None of the companies to none of the companies fulfill their targets. Unlikely to happen . It depends on the new secretary of state, but its sad the fits a pattern now. What were the high hopes, like with farming links out to the private sector, they dont a lwa ys to the private sector, they dont always work. Most people are happy with their experience of being assessed. This is from the weezer, my assessment was very thorough, im a wheelchair user, it lasted over an hour and it would have weeded out any scammers. hour and it would have weeded out any scammers. This is from louisa. Thats great. I hope they are satisfied because otherwise even more drastic, isnt it . But the government hasnt done a survey on those. We have just government hasnt done a survey on those. We havejust had government hasnt done a survey on those. We have just had this enquiry. We had more people write m, enquiry. We had more people write in, thousands, weve never had that before, of people who come as grace as described, feeling they got a rough deal. Thank you. Of people who, as grace has described. Thank you all. Thank you for your time. I have many m essa 9 es thank you for your time. I have many messages from you. I will read some more throughout the programme. Keep sending them in. Also coming up running your own business from home can be really tempting, but are some of the marketing schemes advertised too good to be true . We will find out how some are leaving some people in thousands of pounds of debt. The Prescription Drug xanax is being sold illegally to children over social media. We are keen to hear from you if you have used the drug or you are worried your child is getting access to it somehow. Time for the latest news. Heres Carole Walker. The bbc News Headlines this morning. The foreign secretary, borisjohnson, will say in a speech later today that leaving the European Union is a cause for hope, not fear. Hell attempt to offer reassurance to remain voters who feel angry and alienated , but hell also say that those who want to stay in the eu cannot and will not win the argument. The labour mp chuka umunna, who supports the open Britain Campaign against a hard brexit said mrjohnson was unqualified to preach about the perils of fear and betrayal. The jury at the trial of the former football coach Barry Bennell, whos been found guilty of dozens of Sexual Offences against boys, will continue deliberations on other charges today. Yesterday, the jury at Liverpool Crown court returned guilty verdicts on 36 counts and asked for more time to consider seven more. Bennell, who appeared in court via videolink due to illness, declined to give evidence in his defence. Film star Minnie Driver has quit as an 0xfam ambassador following claims that staff working for the charity in disaster zones paid vulnerable local people for sex. The actress resigned after 20 years with the aid agency, saying in a statement that she was horrified by the allegations. 0xfam said it was grateful for ms drivers commitment, and that it was more determined than ever to learn from its mistakes. A committee of mps has said there is a pervasive lack of trust among disabled people when it comes to how their welfare claims are assessed. The commons work and Pensions Committee said reports by private contractors were riddled with errors. It recommends ministers take the service back in house when contracts end with private firms. The government says the majority of claimants are happy with their overall experience. Police in south africa have arrested three people in raids targeting the wealthy gupta family, who are close to the president , jacob zuma. Mr zuma is under increasing pressure to resign over corruption claims. Both mr zuma and the guptas deny the allegations. Mr zuma is expected to respond later today to a formal request from the African National congress to step down. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Some more messages from you about the assessment of claiming certain welfare benefits. Derek says there are too many errors to excuse this system. No doubt the assessments are regulated. Disabled people are becoming numbers and are not treated as individuals and ifind this disturbing. Robert says my wife has recently gone through her pip assessment. She suffers from agoraphobia, severe social anxiety and borderline personality disorder. The lady was nice enough but an occupational therapist can hardly know about Mental Health issues my wife suffers with. The problem is not only the level of misinformation, deliberate or paul butler knowledge of a claimants illness, but the very real and large amount of suffering put on the already extremely vulnerable patient. Deliberate or poor background knowledge of a claimant. I dont see the point of putting a Vulnerable Person throughout this level of stress, without a doubt increasing suicidal behaviour, and to find out that the exact information is put on the form sent in. Heres some sport now. Success for the womens british curling team. Led by the skip eve muirhead, they had encumbrance of win over the olympic athletes from russia earlier this morning. The men also won their opening round robin game against switzerland. A third 0lympic game against switzerland. A third olympic gold for shaun white, known as the flying tomato. He reclaim the title he surprisingly did not win in sochi in the snowboard half pipe. It was the 100th gold medal in history for the usa at the Winter Olympics. The Champions League returned. Spurs came from 2 0 down againstjuventus interim to draw 2 2. In turin. Also down to ten men and 2 1 behind, kilmarnock beat dundee in the scottish premiership last night. Ian wilson scoring at dramatic and impressive late winner. It was their seventh straight home win for kilmarnock. Setting up a business from home can seem very tempting but a bbc investigation has found that some of those involved in whats known as multi Level Marketing schemes are being left in thousands of pounds of debt. Multi Level Marketing companies, or mlms, have been compared by their critics to pyramid schemes though the key difference is theyre absolutely legal essentially a company employs a network of independent salespeople who sell products directly to their friends and relatives. These salespeople earn income based on their personal sales, as well as the sales of those theyve recruited to work for the company. But many people who dreamt of making thousands of pounds a month are instead ending up in debt. Women across the uk are speaking out against a £1 billion industry called multiLevel Marketing. I came across on facebook this friend who had quit herjob, and i knew she was earning about 6 7 grand a month and ijust thought if she can do it, then i can do it as well. 90 of it is full of greedy, vultureish behaviour. Ive lost over £1000. I think its very much like a cult. So, are some multiLevel Marketing Companies Selling a dream and letting some women down . This may be your opportunity to make a difference in your life. Not only does valentus offered the best way to lost coffee on the market but we also give you an opportunity to earn income on it. Not only does valentus offered the best weight loss coffee. You get the opportunity to build a strong, stable income at home. This is multiLevel Marketing, better known as the abbreviation mlm or Network Marketing. It has passionate supporters and outspoken critics. Up to 500,000 people in the uk are signed up. Firstly, lets explain what multiLevel Marketing is, using our fictional mlm company fantabulousness, and a made up group of people. Fa ntabulousness make their own perfume called live your best life and positive dreams. Fictional amy is recruited by her Old School Friend karen to join her team. So, amyjoins up by paying £100 for a starter kit and karen makes money for recruiting amy. Amy makes money by selling perfume to her own customers, like her sisterjane, and her best friend, lily. And karen gets a cut of those sales, too. Amy also builds a team. She makes money for recruiting her sisterjane and every time jane sells some perfume, amy gets a cut of that sale. And then karen also gets money from the recruitment of jane and her sales. The more people below you, the more selling, the more recruiting, the more money is going up the chain. Plus, people also get bonuses and make money through coaching. And there are some real life success stories. Im currently the number one position and female im currently the number one position female in the uk and i have a team of over 1800 people. Now, what that means for me is ive been able to enjoy an incredible income over the last 11. 5 years, of 3. 5 of those years, my company has had an intake of over £100,000 of business income. Network marketing to me is absolutely about more than just money. So, when id just started, i simply started so that i could be at home with my little boy. Natasha was successful in a Company Called forever living but she quit and she is now an outspoken critic of the whole industry. I had the best time. The best time. And i cant ever say any different. Ive met some incredible friends, some amazing people. And we grew to a team of over 300. However, 3. 5 years later, ive now decided to leave that industry. I started to notice negativity going on. There was little stories of this person being. Experiencing bullying or this person experiencing cheating. 90 of it is full of greedy, vultureish behaviour. Unlike natasha, ellie is too nervous to speak out in public and so, shes played by an actor. They sell it to you that you will only work about 5 10 hours a week, and be able to earn a full time income. So, i quit myjob and committed to forever. Think big, believe big, act big, and the results will be big. The idea of being able to control your success through positive thinking or mindset training is encouraged in some mlms. Nojust means not right now. I think when you go into mlms, its very much like a cult. Everyone is buzzing each other up, and getting quite excited. I have got loads of business coming my way today. Ellie says she got into £10,000 worth of Credit Card Debt in two years. The most i ever made in a month was £400. They are offering women a dream, they are offering them the chance, they say, to earn a lot of money for very little work while staying at home with their children. Its a lie. So, it seems to us again the way these companies are set up, the fact that for most sellers the only way really to make money is to recruit other sellers, that just seems to contain within itself too much exploitative potential. Mumsnet say theres been at least 20,000 posts and threads worried about multiLevel Marketing. We have also decided really as a result of looking into this issue recently that were not going to accept any sort of kosher recruitment or other product advertising from mlm on mumsnet for the future, going forward. The people that you see paraded before you at rallies, on social media, in the lifestyle videos, they are a tiny, tiny percentage. Mlm companies do say on their website or in the terms and conditions Something Like income isnt guaranteed or not everyone is successful. The direct sales association, which is the trade body that represents some mlm companies told us that direct selling should never be viewed as a way to get rich quick, and, as with any form of work, it requires hard work and commitment. Forever living told us all Business Owners are contractually required to comply fully with the dsa code of ethics. That includes not making misleading claims about possible income. Valentus say they are very transparent with all information to anyone whos interested in signing up. Youve just got to get the right work ethic, the right goals set, and get the right skills and you are on a fast track to success. You know, theyve got someone up on stage whos telling you that for years and years they struggled with their business, and, then, all of a sudden, they focused really hard, and suddenly theyre earning 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 grand a month. And youre just sitting there thinking, yeah, thats going to be me about 75 of people in multiLevel Marketing companies in the uk are women. I didnt want to pay out extortionate childcare fees, because its gone up. Its hard because theres not much work around here, as it is. What are these companies appear to provide is genuine flexibility, working from home, choose your own hours. That can feel like a really attractive proposition to an awful lot of women. And, so, it feels really unfair if what you are actually offering is really about recruiting other people and stockpiling goods, and coming home and worrying about whats happening. I came out of it £2000 in debt. Its been an absolute struggle. Ive had fallouts with my partner over it because i used his credit cards. To them, £1000 is nothing. But to me, its everything. These women told us last august theyd lost significant amounts of money in a slimming coffee, multiLevel Marketing Company Called valentus. They stopped selling when they heard that trading standards had started investigating another seller. We contacted valentus and they admit that, at that point, the formulas and packaging did not comply with uk approved regulations. But say that, in fact, the products were for personal use only and not for resale. They say the products were being sold by women like these without valentus consent. I was on antidepressants. And i had to increase my dosage because i got distressed so much. I was losing so much money, i actually went behind my partners back so me and him hadnt been getting on for a while because. Well, obviously, hes going to blame me. It was me that lost the money. Valentus also said they had in 90 days returns policy and that theyve changed the formula ingredients and wording on packaging on two products and they are now compliant and selling in the uk. Now weve heard from women who say theyve made lots of money, and some who say theyve lost money. But what is the average amount people end up with . Well, the trade body, the direct sales association, believes their own data. It works out at £412 per distributor in the uk each month. Thats retail sales which doesnt mean their profit. We cant verify this. There are ways to give all the information that people need to make a really informed decision and then, if you read all that information, understand it, take it on board and you still want to work for that company, then i think thats a much more legitimate thing. But it feels at the moment as though people are essentially signing up on a bit of a false premise. Ellie told us she felt pressured to fulfil a minimum spend each month, which could be products or recruitment. The more they spend, the deeper they get into. Into the belief that success is just around the corner. So, i went to my upline and told them i was struggling and putting everything on the credit card. And theyjust told me it would pay off. And, at the time, i thought they were helping me out by encouraging me to continue. And thats not good for a relationship when youre constantly having to scrape by. I mean, if my parents knew how much debt i was in, i think theyd be mortified. Forever living told us that Business Owners must only buy in quantities required to fulfil immediate sales needs. And are prohibited from placing orders until 75 of previous stock has been sold. Breaches may lead to termination of their agreement. 0ne criticism of the mlm industry is whether theres too much of a focus on recruitment rather than sales. That is because pyramid schemes, which are illegal businesses, reward people for an ruling others into a business that offers a nonexistent or worthless product. There is no suggestion that any mlm Companies Featured in this film or otherwise are pyramid schemes. However, some people continue to believe that some mlm companies are structured similarly to pyramid schemes. These are pyramid schemes with a very, very superficial veneer of product to bring itjust inside the law. I think the law can be tightened up. Joanna says shes heard it all before. And when you try and ask people what that even means, theyjust cant explain it. They always say the person at the top makes all the money. And itjust makes no sense because if you look at a normaljob, and a normal working environment, the person at the top gets all the money while the people at the bottom are doing all of the hard work. To me, that doesnt make sense. Because in Network Marketing its the flip side. The people doing all the work and working hard can overtake the people that brought them in and earn more money than them. And its not a pyramid scheme. The direct selling association told us they strongly oppose all forms of pyramid selling, which is illegal in the uk. In legitimate direct selling opportunities, earnings come from commission on sales of products. Valentus say there is no pressure to recruit and its peoples choice whether they choose to recruit or to sell. Natasha thinks a focus on recruitment can lead to people getting hurt. They recruit a lot of people. They fish through those people for ruthless people that are going to be like them that are going to mass recruit. And they throw the rest to one side. There needs to be accountability. Whos going to fix that ladys confidence that youve battered . It can be really emotionally damaging to somebody when theyve had this amazing team around them and, suddenly, everyones cut them off. You will immediately be shut out of all of that, all of those friends, all of those people that you loved and trusted, and who you really thought valued you for who you are. Valentus told us they provide support to every member through Online Training and upline support from company leaders. Forever living say they provide mediation for any disagreements. We do not condone bullying of any description and we have clearly defined whistle blowing and escalation procedures to deal with any such allegations. Any Business Owner found to have breached our policies will have their agreement terminated. Yes, theres probably going to be a backlash and negative opinion about what ive said but, do you know what, i think the majority of people will hear what ive said and, whether they speak out and agree with me not, they will agree with what ive said. More on this after half ten. If youve been involved in an mlm, do get in touch. We are looking for the couple that have been together the longest in britain. I have a really nice to eat here from alison. She says, theyre with me. It had better be worth waiting for alison says trot macro it is just waiting for alison says trot macro it isjust loading. Waiting for alison says trot macro it is just loading. Happy valentines day. We are in 57 years relationship, a mixed race relationship, a mixed race relationship, marriage 52 years. Maybe the queen is watching. Please get in touch, maam. Right. For many south koreans, it was the first time theyd ever come face to face with their neighbours from the north. If youve watched any of the Winter Olympics, youll know that the north korean Cheerleading Team have been prominent every time the unified korean team has performed. And theyve made quite the impact. Some are suggesting that the games might lead to an improvement in relations between north korea and south korea. The two bitterly divided countries are competing under a neutralflag at the winter games, which is in south korea. The north korean propoganda machine is huge but its normally used within the country to big up the personal reputation of this guy, the countrys leader, kimjong un. But over the last few days, the machines most colourful part has hit the big time. The North Koreans have sent 22 athletes to the winter games in south korea. But theyve sent a whopping 230 member cheer team. Its their first global appearance. They are making quite a show, and one thats pretty different from that of their countrys militaristic leader. The cheerleaders are all in their 20s and 30s and have been trained from a young age. The women are sometimes referred to as kims army of beauties. And, in fact, his wife was once part of the so called cheer squad. They are chosen because of their looks, height, and family background. Loyalty to the cause is paramount, according to one defector, who said theirjob was to conquer with a smile. North and south korea are bitterly divided. But the two nations are performing together at the games. The cheerleaders arent having quite the desired effect on the medal table yet, though. The korean womens hockey team lost 8 0 to sweden. But the real question is whether these displays of unity could have a Lasting Impact outside the sporting arena. We can speak now to dr youngmi kim, lecturer in Asian Studies at Edinburgh University and patrick winn, investigative journalist in South East Asia and has interviewed a north Korean Defector whos a former cheerleader. Patrick, how do the cheerleaders fit into north koreas Propaganda Machine . From a very young age, the machine will identify girls as young as eight or nine and indoctrinate them into the Propaganda Machine. Throughout their teenage years they will spend hours training to play instruments, to exult the regime through song, and some are steered into a cheerleading wing, and that is what youre seeing in south korea. And dr youngmi kim, in terms of the key diplomatic moves being made by the North Koreans at the games, they are all being made by women. Why . Can you hear me . I can now. Sorry, we keep forgetting to turn up your microphone, but we have done it now, thank you. |j turn up your microphone, but we have done it now, thank you. I think this way, they mitigate the tension. It has increased so far in the past few months between the us and north korea. They have been discussing who has the bigger button on their desk. But by sending this Cheerleading Team, it shows that there is a human being living in north korea, have a similar lifestyle. In the west we know mostly about Nuclear Weapons programmes orfamine, know mostly about Nuclear Weapons programmes or famine, civil oppressions, but this is a kind of surprising, lots of people thing, they look similar to us, and they look very kind, and they are smiling, so this actually read humanised the image of north korea. Do you think it works, then . The west seeing the cheerleaders . think, yes. Patrick, you have written a piece recently about the way the north korean government also sends women abroad to work in restau ra nts. Sends women abroad to work in restaurants. How does that fit in with the cheerleading thing . So the same Propaganda Machine, they mostly stay in north korea, but they dont have much commercial value there. Some of them are pulled away and sent off to restaurant, many in china but many here in southeast asia, the second largest market. All of these restaurants have twirling, singing waitresses who perform in perfect synchronicity, a lot like the cheerleaders you are seeing at the cheerleaders you are seeing at the olympics. And its a way for anyone, even brits, americans, so called tormentors of the north korean state, to go and have proximity to these women. And the money all goes back to pyongyang. And dr youngmi comedy think these good relations between north and south will continue afterwards . Yes, i think that kim jo yong has also been considered to help develop further peace on the peninsular. And do you think that by talking about them and avoiding talking about the other issues like the nuclear issue, we erdei what kim jong other issues like the nuclear issue, we erdei what kimjong un other issues like the nuclear issue, we erdei what kim jong un would want . I think the north will not give up the nuclear programme, because they learned a lesson from libya or iraq, why would they give 7 libya or iraq, why would they give so libya or iraq, why would they give they libya or iraq, why would they give up . So they are libya or iraq, why would they give ing libya or iraq, why would they give up . So they are playing the game, they will continue to have this programme at the same time as they wa nt programme at the same time as they want to open the window to have communication. That is why the south korean government has a huge criticism from the opposition, because south korea can be used by the north korean limerick as tactics, strategies, right . By the North Koreans as tactics of strategies. But at this stage there is no other way than talking about who has more army capacity. Is no other way than talking about who has more army capacitym a lwa ys who has more army capacitym always comes down to talking it would seem in the end. Thank you very much for coming on our programme, dryoungmi kim, lecturer in Asian Studies at Edinburgh University, and patrick winn, journalist in southeast asia. News at ten oclock, but before that the weather. Good morning. We had some valentines love for the skies, but perhaps not as much towards the south west. This was the view a short while ago in cornwall, and it will be a familiar view for many by the time we finish today. Strong to gale force winds, outbreaks of rain across many areas, turning to snow across the Higher Ground of wales, covering of the peak district, perhaps ten centimetres or more across the grampians and highlands. Then temperatures rise later in the day. We will see some sunshine return towards western scotland and northern ireland, and temperatures may be into double figures. In eastern areas it will stay cold. Heavy bursts of rain working across any and wales through this evening and overnight, that will clear, but tonight with starry skies for some and only a few showers in the north and only a few showers in the north and west, temperatures will drop away, but after severe gales for some today, the wind will ease down a little but still keep those temperatures in the frost. A blustery but brighter day, a few showers around, sleet and snow in the west, mainly sleet and snow for scotla nd the west, mainly sleet and snow for scotland and northern ireland, but temperatures not dropping away too much. Good morning. It is valentines day, ten oclock, im victoria derbyshire. Our top story today borisjohnson will try to reassure remain voters that the uks split from the eu is a cause for hope not fear. But as a die hard brexiteer, is he the right messenger . I think hell be all right. I think so. I think hell do it. Hes not the man to do thatjob, is he . He doesnt care about remainers. Its like setting your house on fire and then trying to put the fire out yourself. We will get reaction from two mps, one labour, one conservative on either side of the divide, lets see how they get on on valentines day. A bbc investigation has found that the Prescription Drug xanax is being sold illegally to children on social media sites in the uk. Certain dealers are online. On social media, sometimes, it is possible now to go on instagram and find a drug dealer. Really keen to hear from you this morning if youve uses xanax or youre worried that your child is using it. And happy valentines day were looking for the couple whove been together the longest amongst our viewers. 57 years together is our current winner, but let me know if you can beat that. Good morning. Heres Carole Walker in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The foreign secretary, borisjohnson, will say in a speech later today that leaving the European Union is a cause for hope, not fear. Hell attempt to offer reassurance to remain voters who feel alienated. But the governments efforts at reconciliation have angered the labour mp chuka umunna, who supports the open Britain Campaign against a hard brexit. He said mrjohnson was unqualified to preach about the perils of fear and betrayal. The jury at the trial of the former football coach Barry Bennell, whos been found guilty of dozens of Sexual Offences against boys, will continue deliberations on other charges today. Yesterday, the jury at Liverpool Crown court returned guilty verdicts on 36 counts and asked for more time to consider seven more. Bennell, who appeared in court via videolink due to illness, declined to give evidence in his defence. Film star Minnie Driver has quit as an 0xfam ambassador following claims that staff working for the charity in disaster zones paid vulnerable local people for sex. The actress resigned after 20 years with the aid agency, saying in a statement that she was horrified by the allegations. 0xfam said it was grateful for ms drivers commitment, and that it was determined to learn from its mistakes. The International Development secretary, Penny Mordaunt says that the culture that allowed this to happens needs to change quickly. Iam i am writing to every Single Charity that receives aid to set out assurances about their safeguarding procedures. If our standards are not met then the british taxpayer will not continue to fund them. Unless you safeguard everyone in your organisation that comes into contact with you, including beneficiaries, staff and volunteers, we will not fund you. A committee of mps has said there is a pervasive lack of trust among disabled people when it comes to how their welfare claims are assessed. The commons work and Pensions Committee said reports by private contractors were riddled with errors. It recommends ministers take the service back in house when contracts end with private firms. The government says the majority of claimants are happy with their overall experience. Police in south africa have raided properties belonging to allies of the president , jacob zuma as pressure mounts on him to step down. The wealthy gupta family have been accused of using their friendship with the president to promote their business interests. Both the president and the guptas deny the allegations. Mr zuma is expected to respond later today to a formal request from the African National congress to step down. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30. Thank you for your many messages about assessments before you are awarded personal independent payments, which has taken over from the disability living allowance. Billy says they are to reduce the benefits pay outs, they have nothing to do with disability, they are not a wish to help. The government want to just save money to pay for other stupid projects like the dup pay out. Another text, i have just pay out. Another text, i havejust had my employment and support allowance reinstated after ten months, thanks to the help of my mp. They claimed to the help of my mp. They claimed to have no record of my many letters which included letters from the pain clinic. If it wasnt for my family and friends i would have struggled to eat. Finally i can pay the huge debt i have incurred over this time. But why is this happening . Jean has e mailed, i have a disability, but before that i work for the nhs as an occupational therapist. I can see what the problem lies. The assessments have problems because the professionals doing them are not trained or qualified to do them. They do unacceptable things like look at tripping people up or extrapolate a reason not to give an award. They cannot thats not true, jean, a whistle blower had over 20 years in nursing and was also an assessor. Her specialism was Mental Health. Had shejust been her specialism was Mental Health. Had she just been asked to assess people with Mental Health abilities she would have been fine. But when somebody walked in with arthritis it was difficult for her. But there are people there with specialisms in arthritis and so forth. But you dont necessarily see the claimant releva nt to dont necessarily see the claimant relevant to your experience. That seems to be one of the issues. Thank you for your messages. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the hashtag victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Heres some sport now. Hopes are high that the womens curling teams. The mens and womens teams have won medals. Eve muirhead and her team won a medal in saatchi four years ago. They entered the game early such was their dominance, beating democrat opponents 10 3. In sochi four years ago. The mens match against switzerland had to go to another end. They will be going up up against the defending champions, canada. 0ne canada. One of the superstars of Winter Sports claimed another gold medal. Snowboarder shaun white. He was second going into the final run, but he nailed his display to come out on top. He is known as the flying tomato because of his famous red hair. His gold medal was the 100th won by the usa in winter olympic history. The beginning, in the sport, it wasnt cool to want to win. But you see it now, the guys are hungry, motivated, they want it. Even the qualifying was a final. Im proud to come out on top today. Im thankfulfor proud to come out on top today. Im thankful for those guys because they pushed me to get to this point, to be able to do these kinds of runs. 0ne be able to do these kinds of runs. One more gold medal. After a thrilling final lap erick rowan and the weather has been causing more problems in pyeongchang. The biathlon and womens slalom had to be cancelled. The olympic park was closed. Spectators were advised to stay away because of more strong winds. Premier league clubs are improving in europe. Both spurs and Manchester City had excellent results in their last 16 ties in the Champions League. Spurs were 2 0 down early in their match againstjuventus. But harry kane, and a free kick from christian eriksen, and then a draw to ta ke christian eriksen, and then a draw to take them to the second leg at wembley next month. Those are the first goal isjuventus have conceded since november. Manchester city got the biggest away win for Manchester City got the biggest away winforany Manchester City got the biggest away win for any english team in the knockout stages of the Champions League. Looking good for those two. More later. Thanks very much. Former football coach Barry Bennell is facing a fourth jail sentence after a jury convicted him of 36 counts of historical child sex abuse. The trial, though, is not over. Jury members are back today to consider verdicts on seven outstanding charges. 0ur reporterjim reed is here. This is a partial verdict. Thejury will return today to consider their deliberations. We are still restricted on what we can and cannot report. We can tell you that Barry Bennell was found guilty on 36 cou nts bennell was found guilty on 36 counts of child sexual abuse yesterday, that included indecent assault and a and rape charges. Thejudge had previously instructed thejury to thejudge had previously instructed the jury to return a not guilty verdicts on another three charges, which leaves seven outstanding. They will go back and think about and consider those today. Remind us of some of the things the jury has heard in this trial. The jury have been deliberating since last thursday. In the trial the prosecution case was that Barry Bennell was a child molester, as they put it, on an industrial scale. He groomed notjust his victims but thejury he groomed notjust his victims but the jury heard he groomed notjust his victims but thejury heard their he groomed notjust his victims but the jury heard their families, he groomed notjust his victims but thejury heard theirfamilies, as well. They were told about his links with two football clubs, Manchester City, where one of his victims described Barry Bennell as being treated like a god. And another team, Crewe Alexandra football club. Barry bennell did not attend the trial in person but via video link from jail because of ill health. As these verdicts came in yesterday, it was a busy court room in liverpool. Lots of the victims and alleged victim sitting in the courtroom were in tears as these camps and were read out. Barry bennell himself could be seen on a video link shaking his head as these verdicts came through, muttering, but it could not really be heard by people in the court room. What happens today questioning of the jury will continue their deliberations. In about five minutes time. They will be looking at seven more charges, four involving one single alleged victim, three involving three other complainants. Barry bennell denies those charges. His defence barrister made the case that he was a sitting target, she said, because of previous child six abuse charges and convictions, which he had against him in the 905. And the latest one in 2015. This trial isnt over. It continue5 in 2015. This trial isnt over. It continues today. Thanks very much. The foreign secretary, boris john5on, will say that supporters brexit mu5t john5on, will say that supporters brexit must reach out to people who are angry and despairing about the uk leaving the European Union. In a speech in london, which is the first in a series of brexit speeches being made by cabinet minister5, hell set out what he sees as the benefits of leaving the eu. Hell also insist that those who want to stop brexit cannot and will not win the argument. So how will his attempt at unity go down with the general public . 0ur reporter Anna Collinson has been to find out. Could you 5um could you sum up borisjohnson in one word . Orangutan. Ridiculous. He isa one word . Orangutan. Ridiculous. He is a neighbour of mine. I get on with him. I talked to him in the mornings. He seems a little bit crazy. 0ut mornings. He seems a little bit crazy. Out of control. This morning he will be doing a speech about brexit and trying to unite remainer5 and levers. That is his plan. What do you think . I would really see him in that position, or things going as planned for him, because he doesnt have that sort of reputation. think he will be all right. I think he will do it. Hes not the man to do thatjob, is he . I dont think he cares about the remainers. He is trying to reunite the two aside5, i5 that not a positive thing . Totally, its like sitting in the house on fire and then putting it out yourself, doing everything. Boris johnsons attempt at a consensual 5peech looks set to be very different to his previous public utterings on brexit. Today we are going to have a positive unpatriotic case. Back to project they are. If we dont leave and take back control, i believe that this thursday could be our countrys independence day. Cheering the uk is going to be at the back of the queue. The crucial thing that america stands for is representative democracy, and the problem with the eu is that nobody knows in charge, nobody knows who is making these decision5, nobody knows who is making these decisions, and a5 nobody knows who is making these decisions, and as i say, i think it i5 decisions, and as i say, i think it is very weird that the United States should be telling us to do something they wouldnt dream of doing in a million years them5elve5. There have been all salts of attem pts there have been all salts of attempts in europe to recreate the dream of the roman empire, and very often that has been done by force. The eu is different, it is trying to do it in the eu is different, it is trying to do itina the eu is different, it is trying to do it in a more bureaucratic way. Lets talk to two people who couldnt have more opposing views labour peer lord adoni5, Andrew Adonis who has turned his full attention to stopping brexit, and conservative mpjohn redwood who voted to leave the eu, and thinks life outside the eu will be bright. Welcome to both of you. John redwood, it is valentines day. Borisjohnson, who was on the same side as you, would like you to reach out to remain a like lauda done this, so be nice to him. Like lord adonis. We are not in this to have a poorer country. We wa nt this to have a poorer country. We want a freer country with democratic self government, and the message to Andrew Adonis is that our viewers should be expressed in parliament and then resolved in decisions which are made resolved following decisions of all our viewpoints, but they shouldnt be made in brussels by people who dont elect. They shouldnt be made in brussels by people who dont electm they shouldnt be made in brussels by people who dont elect. It turns out thatjohn by people who dont elect. It turns out that john and i profoundly agree. Before we started into this brexit businessjohn was in agree. Before we started into this brexit business john was in favour of what he called it a double referendum, one on the principle on the other on the terms of brexit. What is abundantly clear now is that this. Is this true . Of course not, but i dont want to waste time debating this. We all agreed on the conservative manifesto would we would have a single referendum about leaving all remaining. But were you in favour of a double referendum . We originally proposed allowing people to decide whether they wanted a referendum or not, but we made that decision by general election. You said there should be a double referendum, two referenda, that was your position. We had a referendum about the idea of asking the question, then a referendum to settle the question. But we did the former by a general election, by offering people a referendum, the conservative party was elected on that basis, parliament voted strongly in favour. The big problem, victoria, is that we cant get straight answers to stray questions, including from boris. You heard the guy on your clip who said that how boris can be the person who set fire to this house can be the person who put it out can be an implausible proposition. I asked john a direct question, was he in favour of two referenda . He was. But not in the way that you are now proposing. That is fine by me. We will have a second referendum on the terms of brexit. This is a waste of an interview. We have plenty of time. This is what you wrote. November 20, 2012. Yesterday, david davis made a public case for the double referenda which some of us are urging the government to launch. The first question would be, do you want the uk government to negotiate a new relationship with the eu based on trade and political corporation . Venney went on, the second referendum would follow once the negotiations were complete. That would ask, do you want to accept the new negotiate relationship with the eu . Are you still in favour of that, john, have you changed your view . M course we have changed our view, we did it the other way around saying to the public through a general election, would you like to have a Government Party that will give you a single referendum, do you want to stay or leave, and they voted for that. I strongly support that, and i dont see why we are going over this ancient history. What i want to talk about is how we can spend all that money that we can get back when we cease to be in, and how we can change our tax laws in a way to help people where we are not light at the moment because of the eu. What some people dont understand is why people dont understand is why people like yourself who want to stop brexit do not want for example britain to be independent when it comes to its own trade policy, a trade policy shaped by britain for britain. Because we have a fantastic trade deal at the moment through the European Union. We have free trade with 27 members of the European Union and preferential trade agreements with another 75 other countries as a result of our membership of the European Union. Whenjohn was membership of the European Union. When john was a government in the 1980s, when john was a government in the 19805, we were negotiating trade deals galore, and it was Margaret Thatcher who started the Single Market. So to answer that point, why do you want to give up dozens and dozens and dozens of very good trade deals which we have is a member of the eu in order to start again from scratch . We wont be giving them up, this is a myth. We will. The trade deals are made with us as members of the eu and other members of the eu as members of the eu, and i dont know of a single country that has one of those trade deals at once. But trade dealfor the one of those trade deals at once. But trade deal for the uk one of those trade deals at once. But trade dealfor the uk because when you break up your union, both sides have to make sure the other parties want you to carry on with the agreement, it is notjust us who have that issue, the rest of the eu has it. No one has left the eu before, so we dont know what is going to happen. Please dont be so aggressive and silly. Can you name a single other country. Nobody has left the eu, so i cant name another country. Can you name another country. Can you name another country that has a trade deal with the eu that doesnt want to roll it over . Nobody else has ever left the eu, so we dont know. Can you guarantee that the 75 other nations besides the eu with which we have trade agreement at the moment with the eu, that all of those will roll over next march . Can you role guarantee that . I cant guarantee anything, i dont believe in making silly claims. But i dont know of any country and we are in diplomatic contact with countries, that wants to stop a free trade deal which they have already got with us. Does the fa ct have already got with us. Does the fact the Boris Johnson have already got with us. Does the fact the borisjohnson is making this beach at all mean that there is a genuine worry amongst brexiteers that people like Andrew Adonis are gradually and slowly winning the argument . I dont think they are winning the argument at all. We had the main argument and it was very clear. The government agreed, leave agreed and remain agreed, that the referendum was to give the decision of remain or leave to the british public, and they knew that and that is why they turned out in very large numbers, and it was a single referendum and it was assumed that then parliament would get on and enacted. Furthermore we have had a general election since then, and the party campaigned to leave the eu as pa rt party campaigned to leave the eu as part of the campaign. Boris johnson will say that trying to reverse the referenda would be a disastrous state leading to a permanent feeling of betrayal among the 17 Million People who voted to leave. He is right on that, isnt he . people who voted to leave. He is right on that, isnt he . I favour a referendum on the terms. But he is right, isnt he . Those people will have a choice on whether they like the terms they dont. If they dont, if they like the terms and they believe in all the promises of two years ago which are now disintegrated, they still believe thatis disintegrated, they still believe that is the way forward, that is fine. But it is the people who should decide, it shouldnt be john and people in smoke filled rooms in the conservative party plotting the succession to theresa may decided. That is what should happen. I am a democrat and i support the position thatjohn himself democrat and i support the position that john himself supported democrat and i support the position thatjohn himself supported until 2016 which was a double referendum. The idea that we should take an assurance from Boris Johnson who caused all of this mess that everything is going to be fine, and if those of us who want us to remaining gauged in europe to have free trade and prosperity, that somehow we should give up, that is not going to happen. What is so wrong with a second referendum on the deal . We had a referendum gave the deal . We had a referendum gave the decision. I heard you say that. 0nce the decision. I heard you say that. Once the deal is done, what would be so wrong with that . But we had this very issue in the general election. You keep ignoring the question. 0nce election. You keep ignoring the question. Once the deal is done. Liberal democrats campaigned for a second general election and they did very badly in the election, that is on the wing of the people. But once the deal is done. Please let me finish the sentence. 0nce the deal is done. Please let me finish the sentence. Once the deal is done, what would be so bad about putting it to the british people to see if they liked it or not . It would put the country in an impossible position. We have made a decision and told our partners what we are doing, and whiners would they wa nt we are doing, and whiners would they want is back on the same terms or anything like that . We have to get on with it. Democracy is very inconvenient for john redwood, on with it. Democracy is very inconvenient forjohn redwood, but the right democratic causes for the british people to decide this, not john redwood. I would be deciding it, parliament has decided at an affair referendum vote of all of the people. Perhaps an illustration of how difficult it is going to be for borisjohnson to try to unite remain as an brexiteers, but nevertheless, thank you very much, gentlemen. Still to come. The flexibility of running your own business from home is a dream for many, but are some of the marketing schemes advertised too good to be true . Well hear how some people have been left thousands of pounds in debt. Good morning. The first set of guidelines to tackle bullying and harrassment in the film and tv industry are being unveiled today. The guidance is a response to the Sexual Harassment scandal that has rocked the Entertainment Industry following a string of allegations made against producer Harvey Weinstein. Actress emma watson has supported the new plans. These principles are important because up until recently there were no guidelines. There was no protocol for someone that had been sexually harassed in the Entertainment Industry. I know this to be a fact because i have asked for principals, i have asked to see guidelines, and no one could give them to me. No one could send me, here is the protocol that we follow when someone has had this experience. Which i found shocking. Lets speak no to amanda nevill, chief executive of the British Film Institute, Rebecca Obrien who is a bafta winning Film Producer and runs a Production Company sixteen films, and to helen vine, an actor whos worked on tomb raider and was in the crown, and who took a Theatre Company she worked for to an employment tribunal and last month won £10,000 for the Sexual Harassment she endured. Shes waived her right to anonymity to talk to you today. And potentially we are going to talk about some graphic issues. If you have children around, you may not want them to listen. Good morning to all of you. Helen, you were as i understand it proposition for sex. You were asked tojoina proposition for sex. You were asked tojoin a threesome. Proposition for sex. You were asked to join a threesome. Intimate proposition for sex. You were asked tojoin a threesome. Intimate parts of your body were discussed, comments were made about the size of your breasts, and so it goes on. Why . | your breasts, and so it goes on. Why . I dont know. It was a company that was a theatre education company, and i was touring with them. But from day one, the behaviour that the actors and directors that i was working with we re directors that i was working with were using towards me was an acceptable, and it just were using towards me was an acceptable, and itjust escalated, andi acceptable, and itjust escalated, and i was pushed to breaking point. I was forced to resign due to the Sexual Harassment and bullying that i underwent with the company. And i wonder if these new guidelines and principles had been in place, four example principles had been in place, four exa m ple two principles had been in place, four example two designated workers on and off set to work with and interview witnesses, dedicated hotline, would it not have happened . Im not sure, because there were no procedures in place with this company whatsoever, so they were allowing this behaviour, that the Company Director and allowed it, but during the Court Process and the year that i was complaining and i was in touch with equity and my solicitor, i was not aware that this was going to happen. Now that these procedures are in place, its com pletely procedures are in place, its completely supporting what i have just literally been through, and if they were in place a few months ago even when it was still in the rapping up stages of my complaint, it would have supported me. Could you have done this earlier, amanda . I think ugen only do something when you knowing needs doing, and of course every body now is saying that it has been known about for a long time, but had it been known about, the industry definitely would have galvanised quicker. And how will what you are introducing protect people like hell in . First of all, to be clear, sadly for helen it was in theatre, and our guidelines of the television, but there is no reason why theatre shouldnt adopt it. The british law is on the side of this. The issue is within the workplace if you are a victim of bullying or harassment, how do you articulate it . Who do you go to and how do you find a language to explain it . And this does three things. First of all it is the industry together, many organisations doing this, saying we dont want this, we are all going to commit to saying out loud that we are not going to allow this to happen and we want to make sure. Secondly it is putting in place those missing legs, as you said, so ouraim at those missing legs, as you said, so our aim at baftas and the bfi is to offer training with the aim that in the workplace and on every set there are at least two people that you could go to, so if you had been on a film you could have been able to go to these people who would have said, try this or that, also, this is serious, ring the helpline, because they can put you in touch with proper for the national is. You have beenin proper for the national is. You have been in the industry for a while, how much does this need to be done . Badly. This happened on one of my own films. Somebody came to you . No, idida own films. Somebody came to you . No, i did a speech at the european film award at my campaign. She wrote to me afterwards. She said three years ago when i was working on a film of yours, not a ken loach film, by the way, but on a film of yours i was sexually harassed or is nasty, lurid suggestions were made to me by members of staff. She told me that she was a new person in the industry. This was her firstjob on a film. Can you imagine . How did you react . I was horrified. A film. Can you imagine . How did you react . Iwas horrified. Iwas ashamed this happened on what should have been my watch. I like to think people can come to me and be open and stuff. But you realise how the abuse of power can happen when you are not aware of what goes on. I wrote back, i said i was sorry and shocked. The only thing i can do, i said can shocked. The only thing i can do, i said can i tell your story to demonstrate that it even happens to people who think they know how to runa people who think they know how to run a film set. Could you not have gone to the people who abused her, verbally and otherwise, and call them out . I would have. Had i known. Absolutely. Could you not do that now . The problem with the freelance industry, and this is why it is important to have a joint industry approach and guidelines and principles covering the whole industry, is that it is a very freelance business. Each film that you do, you are setting up a new situation, a new workplace. You have that thing when a film begins, when production begins, you have maybe hundreds of people working together ina new hundreds of people working together in a new place, they are jockeying for position with each other. The Small Companies dont have an Hr Department you can go to. And you have new people who. And it has been predominantly a male industry for some time. And a lot. There is a lot of banter and stuff that goes on between people who are familiar with working with each other. And if you are a young woman. It can happen between genders, it can happen between genders, it can happen between genders, it can happen between blokes come as well, but if you are a young woman and it is new to you do not know where you stand and it is new to you, you do not know where you stand. Stand and it is new to you, you do not know where you standfl stand and it is new to you, you do not know where you stand. It is thought that lots of people will wear black, like at the golden globes, what is the point of that . It isa globes, what is the point of that . It is a show of commitment, isnt it . Like the principles. The principles will work and say we are not going to have that. To come back to the principle is a bit, you mentioned a bit about education and how you change an industry. That is a manifestation of our desire to change. But the people signing up notjust change. But the people signing up not just those actively engaged, its people coming through, for example creative skills sets are hoping to put this module in towards future training. It will be embedded with all of the up and coming. And there was a fantastic lottery funded organisation that has film clubs in 10,000 schools, run by amazing teachers, they are going to embed this as one of the talking points. I would hope that by starting at the bottom and making that commitment, you know, at one end you have people wearing black, at the other hand you have teachers over using this as an opportunity or an excuse to discuss it. Thank you all for your time, i appreciate it. Still to come. The Prescription Drug xanax is being sold illegally to children over social media well tell about the drug and its impact if youve take it do get in touch. Its valentines day and were on the hunt for the couple thats been together the longest get in touch if this might be you. I have some comments. I will read them in the next half hour after the news from carol walker. The foreign secretary, borisjohnson, will say in a speech this morning that leaving the European Union is a cause for hope, not fear. Hell attempt to offer reassurance to remain voters who feel alienated. But the governments efforts at reconciliation have angered the labour mp chuka umunna, who supports the open Britain Campaign against a hard brexit. He said mrjohnson was unqualified to preach about the perils of fear and betrayal. Thejury at the jury at the trial of the former football coach Barry Bennell, who has been found guilty of dozens of Sexual Offences against young boys, will continue deliberations on other charges today. Yesterday the jury at Liverpool Crown court returned guilty verdicts on 36 counts and asked for more time to consider seven more. Barry bennell, who appeared in court via video link due to illness, declined to give evidence in his defence. A committee of mp5 has said there is a pervasive lack of trust among disabled people when it comes to how their welfare claims are assessed. The comments work and Pensions Committee said reports by private contractors were riddled with errors. It recommends ministers take the service back in house when contracts end with private firms. The government says the majority of claimants are happy with their overall experience. Police in south africa have raided properties belonging to allies of the president Jacob Properties belonging to allies of the president jacob Zuma Properties belonging to allies of the president jacob zuma as pressure mounts on him to step down. The gupta family have been accused of using theirfriendship gupta family have been accused of using their friendship with the president to promote them agribusiness interests. The president and the family denied allegations. The president is expected to respond later today to a formal request from the anc to step down. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. My my grandparents celebrated their platinum wedding anniversary, they have been together 73 years, the local paper did a piece on them. But i need to know your name, their name, so i need to know your name, their name, so we can get i need to know your name, their name, so we can get them on the programme before 11. Thank you. Gordon and elizabeth, married at 21, we are now in our 60 this year. 0k. Hurricane gordon and elizabeth are winning so far because we, at least, have their names. Keep those coming. Heres some sport now. A successful day so far for the british curling teams at the winter 0lympics british curling teams at the Winter Olympics in pyeongchang. The women once again led by their skip eve muirhead and her third 0lympic games. They had a comprehensive win over the athletes from russia earlier. The men also won their round robin against switzerland. Another 0lympic round robin against switzerland. Another olympic gold for shaun white. He is known as the flying tomato. He did not win surprisingly in sochi. He secured the 100th gold medalfor usa in in sochi. He secured the 100th gold medal for usa in winter olympic history. Spurs came back from 2 0 down to beatjuventus. Spurs came back from 2 0 down to beat juventus. Impressive from spurs came back from 2 0 down to beatjuventus. Impressive from spurs when you considerjuventus hadnt conceded in serie a since november. Manchester city got a 4 0 victory over basel. It was the biggest away win for over basel. It was the biggest away winforany over basel. It was the biggest away win for any english team in a Champions League knockout tie. That is it for now. Much more sport coming up later. Thanks very much. There are calls this morning for more regulation of a type of Home Business called multi Level Marketing schemes after a bbc investigation found that some of those involved were being left in thousands of pounds worth of debt. Multi Level Marketing companies, or mlms, have been compared by their critics to pyramid schemes though the key difference is theyre absolutely legal essentially a company employs a network of independent salespeople who sell products directly to people in their community. These salespeople earn income based on their personal sales, as well as the sales of people they recruit to work for the company. But many people who dreamt of making thousands of pounds a month are instead ending up in debt. We bought you our full report earlier heres a short extract. We brought you our full report earlier heres a short extract. With all across the uk are speaking out against £1 billion industry called multiLevel Marketing. Women across the uk. Lets explain what it is using our Fictional Company and a made up group of people. The company make their own perfumes. Fictional aim is recruited by her Old School Friend karen to join her team. By her Old School Friend karen to join herteam. By her Old School Friend karen to join her team. Fictional amy. Amy makes money by selling purview to herfriends, and makes money by selling purview to her friends, and karen makes money by selling purview to herfriends, and karen gets a cut of those sales. Selling perfume. Amy also recruits people. Karen also gets recruitment from the people amy signed up. I have had fallouts with my partner over it because i used his credit cards. I have racked up thousands in debt. To me this is everything. These women told us that they lost thousands of pounds in a weight loss coffee drink. We contacted the company and they admit they also said we have also decided as a result of looking into this issue that we are not going to accept any recruitment from mlms on mumsnet going forward. They are offering women the chance, they say, to earn a lot of money for very little work while staying at home with their children. Its a lie. The direct sales association, which represents some of the companies, says there are some real life success stories. Im currently the number one position female in the uk. I have a team of over 1800 people. It means ive been able to enjoy incredible income over the last four and a half years. Three and of those yea rs and a half years. Three and of those years my company has had an intake of £100,000 as income. Natasha was successful in a Company Called forever living. She has now quit and is an outspoken critic of the whole industry. Ive made some great friends and some incredible people. But three and a half years later i decided to that industry. I started to notice the negativity going on. Stories that somebody had been experiencing bullying, somebody else experiencing bullying, somebody else experiencing cheating. 90 of it is full of greedy vulture like behaviour. The company said lets talk to labour mp helen hayes, who has been looking into multi Level Marketing since a constituent contacted her about them; john evans who runs an anti mlm Facebook Group is here, and joanna bacon, a mum who works in mlm, and says she has earned as much as £20,000 in one month. Welcome all of you. Helen, what is the issue . The issue is growing numbers of people. We heard in the film three quarters of them women, who are being drawn into mlm distribution networks. 0ften who are being drawn into mlm distribution networks. Often through promises which bears very little relationship to the reality of the income you can achieve. I was contacted income you can achieve. I was co nta cted by income you can achieve. I was contacted by a constituent, jenny, who is in the film, who does campaigning work on this issue. As soon as campaigning work on this issue. As soon as she drew my attention to this, what became clear was that this, what became clear was that this is a very widespread. We see mlm sales taking place at school fairs, local community events, in leisure centres. It is a widespread practice. My concern is that there are large numbers of people who find themselves in genuine difficulty. But also financial difficulty. And also psychological distress as a consequence of being caught up in something which promises something which it really cannot deliver. I think it is an area where the law hasnt kept pace with the scale of change on the ground. John evans, you have set up this anti mlm Facebook Group. How do people get into debt, you buy stock and then sell it, whats the problem . Well, they get into the group and they buy their starter kit, and of they buy their starter kit, and of the months go wonder they dont get sales, they are either obliged to continue to purchase, or their promotional rank is affected if they dont maintain their Product Sales and purchases. I can see joanna shaking her head. Obviously people do purchase to remain active, maybe not in your specific mlm, but it is a very specific factor which keeps people with their products, and often a big factor in that is autoship, where you get product each month sent to you whether or not you are selling them. You are not distribute any more if you dont maintain that autoship. And what is the deal about going promotional rankings Chris Maguire is that a good thing . Customers see was trustworthy . It is a recruitment, you are more likely to get someone tojoin yourteam. You are more likely to get someone to join your team. Joanna, have you really earned £20,000 in a month, and presumably that is before tax . Yes. How . Over the last four years, i have built up incredibly large teams, i have been a high retailer in my company, so i am getting a lot of retail profit from that, and i have bonuses of large amounts as well from the company, too. Why were shaking your head whenjohn evans were shaking your head whenjohn eva ns was were shaking your head whenjohn evans was explaining the autoship process and keeping high on the rankings . Because that might be the case for one company, but it is not the case in the company that im involved in right now. You dont have to do thousands upon thousands to stay active, you can put through a customers order and you dont have to take any money out of your own pocket. I understand we both of those coming from because i saw it in previous company, i have seen people spending thousands of pounds to stay active because of the criteria of that company, but it doesnt mean that is the same for every Single Company in the industry. Fair enough. I know that it goes on, and identically that is right, but that is why i am here to stand a summary who was ethical in the industry and doing at the right way. Helen, if all that is laid out, before somebody signed up to an mlm, thenit before somebody signed up to an mlm, then it is up to you to read it and see what conditions are an sign the contract or not. There is no question that there are mlms that are responsibly run, but the regulations are not there to ensure that that is the case across the industry. So i think we need three quite specific changes which would help to ensure better practice and more responsible practice across the industry, and they are that mlms should be required to publish an independently audited statement of the average earnings that their members are able to secure after costs have been taken out of that equation. That you should not be able to earn commission by recruiting, because that is pyramid selling and is illegal, it is illegal only to do that but not illegal only to do that but not illegal to do it if also products are involved, but you shouldnt be able to do it. And much more tightening up on the outlandish claims that many mlms are able to make an social media in particular where it goes unchecked about the lifestyle that you are able to realise as a consequence of participating in an mlm, and i think those changes would help to make this a more responsibly run industry. Have you got time to say some thing . Having transparency is key, and you never get that with mlm. They exaggerate everything. Joanna is shaking her head again. I have read post from all the mlms and the country, they all over exaggerate what benefit people will get from joining. The direct selling association which represents an mlm company say, direct selling should never be viewed as a way to get rich quick. It says it operates a strict code of conduct which protects direct sellers and consumers. I know you have loads more to say, i know. And we have said a lot. Thank you for coming on. In the past few minutes, a senior official for the African National congress has increased pressure on south africas president zuma to step down, saying the deadline for his resignation will expire today. It is very clear for us at the anc, we can no longer wait. We dont want to keep south africa waiting. If president zuma will respond, he will respond, but we cant continue waiting. The decision has been taken and must be implemented. So my message to the caucus today was just that must now proceed to the process. Lets talk to our correspondent Pumza Fihlani who is in pretoria. We were expecting jacob zuma, worry not . He didnt show, but we had this instead. We certainly were, but we always understood this was waiting in the wings should the president not give an answer that the anc wanted to hear. We dont know what happened behind closed doors, but all indications seem to point that the anc is pressing ahead with the parliamentary process, and this would mean a vote of no confidence. We understand that this is scheduled for tomorrow, and they have said if there is time, they have said if there is time, they want to proceed with the process of electing a new replacement forjacob zuma. Thank very much. The Prescription Drug xanax is being sold to teenagers and social media, so we sold to teenagers and social media, so we understand. It can only be obtained on private perception here in britain. The drugs charity adaction says children as young as 13 are buying it online. When we buy acid, it would be £10 per tab, and then he would sell us xanax on the side. Everyone i know uses drugs. With us now is harry shapiro. Hes the director of uk charity drug wise. What is xanax and how can it affect you . It is in the family of benzodiazepine tranquillisers, so the same family as valium and diazepam, but it is about 20 times stronger than valium, which is probably one of the reasons why you cant get it on the nhs in this country. And it is prescribed for treating anxiety and depression, so from a Recreation Point of view, people would be feeling euphoric. It is called buzzy. You feel quite distant from things, wrapped up in cotton wool to a certain extent. It ta kes cotton wool to a certain extent. It takes the edge off life if you are using it medically, but it is also used recreationally to take the edge off other kinds of drugs like ecstasy. But if you are 13 and buying it illegally on social media, why are you buying it . For two reasons. There is a whole culture of just getting stoned in one way, shape orform, just getting stoned in one way, shape or form, and just getting stoned in one way, shape orform, and that can just getting stoned in one way, shape or form, and that can just be with alcohol or dangerously mixing alcohol with other drugs like xanax. But also the medical Health Charities speak a lot these days about increasing Mental Health problems amongst young people, and the difficulties of getting treatment. And i think a part of this at least is self medication as well. Thank you very much, thank you for coming on the programme. Throughout the programme this morning weve been trying to find the couple whove been together the longest. Here are some couples that have all been married for more than 50 years. Lets speak to 93 year old joan rimmer in oxford who got engaged to her partner 70 years ago today and got married in 19119. Her son texted us their story. Joan cares for her husband paul, who is terminally ill. Hello. How are you . Well, struggling a bit, but coping. Ok. But you and paul have been together for such a long time. Yes. We first went out together when we were 16. Did you . We were at school together. When did you fall in love with him . How old we re you fall in love with him . How old were you then . Well, shortly after going out. We were parted of course as part of the war, and he went and trained to fly in america, came back to study in oxford, and i was teaching somewhere, but we always knew if anybody else became interested , knew if anybody else became interested, well, actually, you know, theres paul. So thats it. Weve been fortunate enough to live so weve been fortunate enough to live so long. Not many people together in their 905 these days. So long. Not many people together in their 90s these days. And ups and downs over that time . You mention war, clearly. Not in our time together, i dont think. Weve had sadness in our marriage, our daughter died during a hip operation in her early 505, so that was pretty shattering, but one survives. Its good. In fact, shattering, but one survives. Its good. Infact, we shattering, but one survives. Its good. In fact, we are very fortunate that even now, paul isnt in pain, you know. We arejust that even now, paul isnt in pain, you know. We are just getting that even now, paul isnt in pain, you know. We arejust getting gently towards the end of our lives, thats it. Do you still feel like a team . Yes, absolutely. He is getting weaker, which is sometimes difficult to cope with, and a bit confused, but it comes to us all, really, doesnt it . It does. And if we are fortu nate doesnt it . It does. And if we are fortunate enough that i can look after him at home, which is marvellous, and he isnt in pain, those are the two things we are thankful for. And we those are the two things we are thankfulfor. And we have those are the two things we are thankful for. And we have a those are the two things we are thankfulfor. And we have a lot those are the two things we are thankful for. And we have a lot of support, friends and neighbours, the congregation of st peters where paul helps a lot when he was retired. Joan, we are grateful that you spoke to us today. Thank you so much, and best wishes to paul. When will we hear this . It has gone out live now have a good day. Good morning. Some white and windy weather moving in this morning across Western Areas of the uk. The cloud is moving its way towards the east, and for many of us at some point today we will see a bit of rain falling out of the sky. That will continue across much of western parts of england and wales, hill snow on the Higher Ground of england, but even in the north east, some snow down to lower levels. The same potentially for scotland as well. Sunnier spells in northern ireland, into this afternoon, and temperatures getting up to a roundabout six or 8 degrees in the south west. Tonight the rain will continue to spread eastward, and eventually it should clear away, and for many of us into the early hours of thursday morning, some clear spells but not as cold as it was last night. Mostly frost free, a few wintry showers as we go into thursday, but really for many of us on thursday it is a dry and bright day, goodbye. This is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11. Boris johnson will attempt to persuade voters who are angry and alienated by brexit that its a cause for hope not fear. This is the scene in Central London where the foreign secretary will deliver the first in a series of government speeches on brexit. Police raid properties belonging to allies of south african president jacob zuma as hes told to step down today or face a no confidence vote. It is very clear we can no longer wait beyond today. We dont want to keep south africa waiting. The actress Minnie Driver has stood down from her role as a celebrity ambassador for 0xfam over the haiti scandal