Swallowed the us capitol today, the world would have lost the entire top rank of Us Intelligence services. Its ok, it didnt happen, instead the top six officials and the fbi, the top six officials and the fbi, the cia and nsa sat before senators for three hours and delivered a sobering assessment of threats facing the us which they say are urgent, serious and real. They want about north korea and china and asked the question went down this impressive line of americas top intelligence brass, every one of them agreed that russia has not stopped interfering in american democracy. Which is pretty striking because these men report directly to President Trump and he has yet to hold a cabinet level meeting on russian meddling. Friendly, the United States is under attack. Under attack by entities that are using cyber to penetrate virtually every major action that takes place in the United States. Persistence arent disruptive Cyber Operations will continue against the United States and our european allies using elections as opportunities to undermine democracy, so this court and undermine our values. Leon pa netta and undermine our values. Leon panetta has helped many post, including director of the cia and white house director chief of staff under president clinton. The message from those intelligence chiefs in the senate today was clear. This has been perfect, if this still a threat and it will continue being a threat to American Elections and yet the president has not yet held a cabinet level meeting on this issue. Why the disconnect . Everyone is asking that question, particularly after the testimony today which made clear that russia is continuing to do exactly the same thing they did in 2016 elections, which is to undermine a relic to election institutions and its extremely important that the president must address this issue because, frankly, if he doesnt send a message to the russians that this is unacceptable, then in many ways its an open invitation to the russians to come in and do exactly what they did in 2016. This is a Critical National security issue that the president of the United States has two face. The message seems to beat in moscow, go ahead because nothing has been said by donald trump. Vladimir putin understands that message. He is someone who, if he senses weakness on the part of an baseri, will take advantage of it. I think right now, he senses weakness, that is what got him into crime, into ukraine, into syria, and to the 2016 election and 110w syria, and to the 2016 election and now this year because not facing any kind of deterrence or defence, its almost an open invitation to to again coming and attack our institutions. The argument from the white house might be, you are all exaggerating this night, there is no evidence that russia actually changed the outcome are affected the outcome of the American Election and being interviewed on the French Election and Marine Le Pen was not elected. The president of the United States needs to listen to those intelligence chiefs. They are the ones who testified today and they made very clear that the russians are going to attack our election institutions. That is a serious issue that the president of the United States has to address. Lets turn to another serious issue they raised in the hearings, that north korea and it was interesting to hear director courts seeing that a decision is near on what to do about north korea. What is that decision, do you think . I understand you not a of the cia and the longer secretary of the cia and the longer secretary of the cia and the longer secretary of the fence. I wish i knew. I think the question that has always confronted this president and other president s is, do you continue a policy of deterrence and containment and hope that by increasing the pressure you can force north korea to the negotiating table, or do you resort to some kind of military pre entry attack. The reason the military option has never been used is because the consequences of that are horrendous. It could take us into a nuclear war. For that reason, i would hope that the decision is how do we open the door to negotiations with north korea now that south korea has at least laid some of the groundwork for that kind of negotiation. The Decision Making how we might learn that. I want to you something that the director of the caa said during that hearing. Listen to this. Her analysts remain concerned that kim jong un is not hearing the full story, that those around him are providing that i are providing him with the tenuous nature of his position internationally and domestically. this speculation from the director of the cia or do you think american intelligence is good on what north Korean Leader kim jong and has access to, information hes getting. Whats happening them . |j access to, information hes getting. Whats happening them . I would think that what mike pompei said today is based on intelligence we are receiving with regards to what kim jong un is thinking and what hes doing. Human sources on what we have inside north korea . Without going into the sources, i cant help but leave that there is better intelligence by then try to understand what north korea is up to. You were chief of staff under president bill clinton, so i have to ask you about what is happening in the white house at the moment and the white house at the moment and the situation surrounding rob porter, the white house aide who stepped down after allegations of domestic violence. What have you made of this white houses handling of the story over the past seven days . I think the deputy press secretary, when he said the white house has made mistakes on the handling of this whole issue, was correct. We havent seen him recently but i think he was right. This has been handled badly from the very beginning and as they try back and fill in all the questions that have been asked, they are getting themselves deeper and deeper in trouble. I think they ought to be upfront, admit the mistakes that have been made and say it will not happen again. The Current White House chief of staff, generaljohn kelly, who holds thejob house chief of staff, generaljohn kelly, who holds the job you use to hold, said in an interview with the wall streetjournal that he hold, said in an interview with the wall street journal that he did everything correctly. Its hard to believe they didnt make mistakes because they had information on rob porter, testified to by the fbi director today, that, in fact, that information was provided as early as november of last year and yet nobody acted on that information. Somebody dropped the ball. I want to show you numbers that we have pooled on the amount of turnover in this administration of staff compared to previous administrations and you can see in there. 996 9 under president 0bama, 34 turnover in this administration in its first year. What does that suggest to you, they are not competent, they havent got good people, there is not good management, the people dont want to work there . I think its trouble on all fronts because what it indicates to me is that initially when the administration came in, they had a very haphazard process in terms of how they hired people to work on the white house staff. Thats reflected in the fact there are so many interim security clearances that have not been completed and the very fa ct have not been completed and the very fact that there has been that much churn tells me its very difficult to attract good quality people to then staff and that is troubling. President clinton told you up during his administration basically to come in and bring a bit of adult supervision, and was also an administration that had a certain amount of chaos in the early years. If the Trump Administration were to call you up and ask what you have to do, we have to stabilise this and its turning into some sort of soap opera in terms of personnel. What would you tell them to do . opera in terms of personnel. What would you tell them to do . I think john kelly has done a good job in trying to put some kind of structured into place, a chain of command, better discipline in terms of the way the staff operates, better control over policy but has difficulty is that he still dealing with a very unpredictable principle, the president of the United States. The President Trump is willing to meet discipline, it makes it tough to call together the staff under of that everybody is going in the same direction. Of course you are a democrat, is the call came, would you take it and give some advice . California for me is a very nice place to be right now. That is why you keep your watch on california time thank you for coming into the studio. Ryan christie, for an adviser to george dubya bush, we have talked of an that are not as chaotic, you saw the numbers, clearly much less turnover in that administration knew worked on. Less turnover in the Clint Clinton attrition but a huge turnover in this administration. Is this what is going on, improper vetting and a lack of talent in the white house . think its likely the case here. I can certainly tell you when we came out and they want and the president bush administration, there was already a system in place of how do you set the staff at higher the staff, how do you recruit staff and a secretary said moments ago, there was very little organisation thought on how President Trump would staff his administration and if you dont have the staff in place and they dont know who they are reporting to and what they should do, it often means chaos in suits. The administration seems to have cut out in the early days a lot of people it might have fired because they didnt wa nt might have fired because they didnt want people necessarily who were very tied to washington and on the Foreign Policy side they did not want people who had in any way criticised donald trump when he was running as a candidate. That leaves you a pretty small vanish, doesnt it . Issued us. From a who work in the white house, if you have insulted President Trump said he is not a competent leader or hold his leadership and aggression, you are on the list. There are on the list. Theyre not that many people in washington, dc, republican or democrat, who have the experience working in the white house. Its very stressful, very hard work and you need people who know how it should be done and if you limit your white house staff and you limit your Foreign Policy staff, the state department and other posts, you are really putting the country at a disadvantage. What do they have to do now over the rob porter story so doesnt keep dominating on the News Coverage . s poor chief of staff will said you served with the closure for the president of the United States for the pleasure and it came been cut and when you make it came been cut and when you make it too. Somehow this year need to rule, some people have to take responsibility for this. They have to say, mr president , for the good of the country and your administration, im leaving. Leon pa netta administration, im leaving. Leon panetta says he is happy being 3000 miles away in california. If the call came to you, please serve in this administration and give us aduu this administration and give us adult supervision, would you take it . I love my home state of california and my wife who is out there in san francisco. Lets put it this, i have been giving them cancel on the site and the notion of going inside those gates, muscles illustrious bakers, but im happy in california. How to curtail the power of extremist propaganda on the internet is something the uk government is asking itself . Its unveiling an online tool powered by Artificial Intelligence and it says it can accurately detect jihadists content and block it from being viewed. There are concerns that groups like Islamic State could that these methods in order to new audiences. 0ur media editor has the story. Militaristic, cinematic and off the shop with high level production values, these propaganda videos for Islamic State this post her and hatred. They are easy to find on the internet right now. One is a jihadists new andy ellis is legitimate the deal. The creators claim the technology, which is obviously secret, can spot 94 of odis obviously secret, can spot 94 of 0dis contact online with an accuracy of 99. 95 . The technology distinctions between news and extremism. Examples of the one on the right with high probability to be vetted by a human. We are looking to try to remove this content from the public. If it requires somebody to have ten passwords is propagated browser before they can get access to safe as a win. It means it cant just be shared between them are for. Attention has focused on twitter, google and facebook but this technology will tell if platforms. Islamic state reporters used over 400 unique platforms last year, 145 of them for the first time. Like other forms of modern media, terrorist propaganda has now shifted online. What is so striking about this new tool is that it is funded by government rather than Technology Firms and it is covered by Artificial Intelligence. It is an admission that machines rather than manpower will be most effective and finding and removing extremist material online. 0ne finding and removing extremist material online. One from a jihadists who works in counter radicalisation says terrorists will a lwa ys radicalisation says terrorists will always find new methods to find new audiences and the platforms have to be willing to take action. The big players in this area are taking a lot of action but the smaller companies, they are not necessarily prepared to play ball with government some test because they are suspicious or assembly is regarded as being part of. Its not clear how widely the technology will be taken by the government says its instinct is to collaborate with industry. Were not went to rule out taking legislative action if we have to do it but i remain convinced that the best way to ta ke remain convinced that the best way to take real action. To have the best outcomes is to have an industry led form like the one we have got. Technology and government pressure can reduce harm but it is a war without end. There is always a concern that the terrorists will manage to stay one step ahead with technology. I listen to the Senate Hearing this morning. They spoke about russia, china and north korea and there was little mention of the threat of so called Islamic State. It seems to be something people are not so focused on here. Let us look at the economy. If you do not like risk you should not probably invest in the stock market right now. The dowjones last week had its two greatest losses in history but it bounced back and the markets have traded up in the last couple of days. So is it going to last, this volatility . We can talk about this. Should i put the 150 in the stock market . Based on coffee break, you might need it. On the stock market, its not Rocket Science in this regard, money has been almost three and when thats the case people buy stuff and as Interest Rates rise, they might by leicester and will have an effect on asset prices, including the stock market. A better rate of return with westwick comparatively than how the situation with a couple of years ago, so there will be some transference from bonds to stocks on the stock has had a wild run, they needed some adjustment. In that regard itself as long as it doesnt tank from here. When money is free, people borrow money. I borrow money to buy my house and my car and whatever it is i want to buy but country borrows money is as well, the usa has borrowed a lot of money and in a borrowing frenzy at the moment, they are piling up debt. You are from the Republican Party, conventionally the party of fiscal discipline and responsibility. The republicans are still believed that deficits are a bad thing . I think they believe that, the question for republicans and democrats is that you have the will to act on it . We have a country where we are 20 trillion in debt officially but a few add all the things of books at 60 trillion. If it isa things of books at 60 trillion. If it is a bankview would be investigating at shutting it down. The day of reckoning is coming but u nfortu nately the day of reckoning is coming but unfortunately both republicans and democrats have their heads in the sand and frankly the public is giving it a shoulder shrug these days and the public isnt ready, sadly, for a discussion on how we will fix this. As you mentioned Interest Rates could rise, which means my mortgage will get expensive in the country yet and that will get more expensive, is that the day of reckoning for america . more expensive, is that the day of reckoning for america . I think its good to be when you have so much of our budget focused on interest on debt and Interest Rates go up and that begins to boil over ability to keep our finances in some sort of reasonable or depth and could trigger all consequences. Im disappointed in this congress, ball size for shrugging their shoulders for what is an obvious problem. A lot of exuberance has been about among investors thinking is a very good times and the like what the administration is doing, one thing they dont like the prospect of as a trade war. This morning, President Trump talked about the prospect of ta riffs trump talked about the prospect of tariffs on quarters on steel and aluminium coming from asia and south korea in particular. What would the Business