This week, were discussing theresa may in china, we wonder how long president zuma can last. And what diplomatic can last . The American Writer and broadcaster geoff mcallister. A warm welcome to all of you. The eu is having trouble is understanding the uks decision. He said at transition period once britain leads the eu isnt a given. And the uk public decision to quit the Single Market means irish border checks are unavoidable. David davis said he was surprised with such comments. Ian, i am hoping you are the man. This is britains attempt to leave the eu. They have always been good at comedy and fast. We have really outdone ourselves. It doesnt have an agreed position in the next round of talks begin which is troubling the European Union. They have error in problems as well. There are a lot of moving parts in this, what is turning into a crisis. It is happening, it is almost a year to go until brexit. I suspect there will be some deal at some point that britain is not doing its reputation for diplomatic skill any good. It just seems bizarre that this close to brexit the cabinet and the Prime Minister, who is under a lot of pressure and under pressure from some conservatives to go, do not yet know exactly what sort of relationship they want with the European Union afterwards. And you think that is still the genuine case inside the cabinet . It is not a question of actually we dont want to reveal everything, we dont want to reveal our hands to the public or indeed to anyone in brussels . You think there is still, despite the fact we are meant to have had this Cabinet Meeting where some of these things were thrashed out recently, theyjust cant Reach Agreement . I think we have got to be careful of exaggerating that because the cabinet has moved a long way since the brexit referendum 20 months ago, so they are agreed that the uk is leaving the european Single Market, agreed that it is leaving the Customs Union, which it has to because that is in the european treaties. There is an argument about what nature of Free Trade Agreement they should try and seek with the eu and if the eu would allow the uk to have such a deal. The primary Sticking Point is customs arrangements and whether the uk signed a replacement for the existing Customs Union, Something Like turkey has because turkey is a member of a different Customs Union with the eu, or whether the uk tries to do it all through a Free Trade Agreement with some sort of agreement on other standards and regulation and that sort of stuff. So you would expect by now they are to be in a clear position on that. As i say, they have moved a long way. The uk is leaving, it is leaving in probably in a much harder brexit than might have been the case a year ago or a year and a half ago. It is having a pure brexit if you like. But on that final Sticking Point, the Customs Union, that could be where there is a lot of parliamentary fireworks over the course of the next six months. That might be where mps. Remember theresa may does not have a majority, or a majority with the help of a minority party, that might be the point at which a rebellion in the house of commons brings the whole thing crashing down. Agnes, how do your friends and contacts in other European Countries read what is going on . Well, it is nice to hear iain because he is somebody who is in favour of brexit. Very much so. He sounds reasonable. I wish you were doing the negotiation actually. We are in enough trouble as it is. You are talking about comedy and farce and i will try not to laugh because i receive e mails saying stop laughing whenever brexit is mentioned. But the problem is you are among the very few sober, reasonable, pragmatic, likeable brexiteers i know. I am sure you will admit it yourself, you can understand what the British Government is doing and some brexiteers like jacob rees mogg, who do so badly for the image of britain because friends of britain like me on the continent dont understand what is going on. One day we are bemused, another day we are laughing our heads off and other days we are in despair. This week i thought, i thinkjeremy corbyn would do such a betterjob than theresa may in terms of negotiating brexit. He is a eurosceptic, he is a brexiteer, jeremy corbyn, although he belongs to a party that is pro european and he would do such a betterjob. I admire Michel Barnier in brussels because they are keeping their cool. If we look back at december, brussels helped theresa may save face. They said, ok, this is fine, eu citizens will retain their rights during the transition period. In march we are going to move on to start negotiating trade deals. And there is the Customs Union, so if you dont belong to it, you need a hard border. But brussels and ironically Jean Claude Juncker, the head of the european commission, did intervene to rescue theresa may and the british position, but it is worth asking why that happened. A lot of that was to do with pressure from german industry. A lot of that was to do with pressure from Jean Claude Juncker, a former Prime Minister of luxembourg. The luxembourg economy is essentially an offshoot of the city of london. There are other things happening in european politics. Germany does not have a government. Germany are not the strongest. Is Michel Barnier and Jean Claude Juncker keeping their cool, to take your phrase, or are they sabre rattling . Are they deliberately so, trying to remind people that time is running out . I think they are saying, what is the truth . The thing that concerns me about this is that is somewhat artistic quality to this british, internal negotiation. It is as if the cabinet can decide what it wants, it will happen. The japanese trade delegation, Senior Executives who went to downing street this week, and for them to put their head above the parapet, the way japanese businessmen work, to hint that they are unhappy about the way things are going because they produce half the cars that britain makes and half of those get exported to europe, and if it goes through a non European Union arrangement, those are 10 tariffs at least. Some of these parts move across the Channel Three times before they end up in the car and all the backlog at the ports. You can see how unbelievably difficult it is. Someone said the brexiteers are like the dog that chased the car and finally caught it. They dont really know what to do, they cant drive it. I feel that all of this wrangling internally when you are facing an entity where 27 countries each can veto whatever is accomplished, even if german manufacturing has a little bit more leeway, now they can get that fudge and everyone is willing to give britain a little more time. Ijust dont see this working out. It is the negotiation. One of the main thing is the European Union wants and needs to have a transition first because its budget round goes up to 2020 and the uk as the second largest contributor is due to pay £10 billion a year. It is a significant sum. And trade losses and all the other things as a rounding error. You try asking german electors at the moment to stump up an extra 20 billion quid because the uk does not get given the conditional deal. I think a deal probably will happen. I am acknowledging the brits are making a mess of it primarily because they are trying to do it without a functioning Prime Minister. The british system is like a school. Essentially when you know that the headteacher has lost control and has no authority there is complete bedlam and chaos amongst the pupils. That is why i advocated straight after she lost her majority that the uk needed a new Prime Minister, someone to actually set a clear direction. I think there probably will be a deal but it is a mess. Yes. 0k. That is enough brexit for now. Plenty more to come in future weeks. Lets turn to matters elsewhere because much to many peoples surprise jacob zuma is still president of south africa. He has refused to resign and hand over to Cyril Ramaphosa despite repeated requests from senior anc officials. The parliament took the highly unusual step this week of postponing the state of the union address, worried about protests and disruption. Jacob zuma has always denied the numerous charges of corruption that are against him. Nesrine, are you surprised he is still there or is he always the great fighter . I am surprised that he finally has been challenged because it looked like for a long time until very recently that zuma wasnt going to go away any time soon because he just had so much of the credibility and the vested historical legitimacy of the anc. He has been at it for decades and there really were not other figures that could match his historical status. What is going on right now is the intersection of a lot of things in south africa. Number one, people feel that he should notjust go, that he should be held accountable for crimes and corruption. There is another school that thinks we do not want to actually have egg on the face of the anc. This is the man in which the entire anti apartheid victory was invested after Nelson Mandela and he should be allowed to go with dignity. There is Cyril Ramaphosa who is caught in between in that he does not want to be tainted by him, but he also does not want to look like he is completely cutting links with the history of the anc. So it is kind of less about him and more about the history of post apartheid, black led politics in south africa and how people do not want it to be sullied as a failed experiment in corruption, and how other people feel about it and how it should be passed seamlessly and effortlessly. And jacob zuma knows all of this and he is just sitting tight hoping that he can negotiate the best deal which is his salary and pension and not giving up a penny of his perks and benefits etcetera. So what happens to him ultimately depends on which one of these factions wins and which way cyril believes is best for his leadership going forward. Where are those voices saying all these multiple charges of corruption, which he denies, but there has been so much for so many other years and other matters besides, not just financial, where are the voices saying this is tarnishing the brand . They are there and they feel that for the anc to be able to break with this past there needs to be accountability, but like i said earlier, there is also another defensive group, which i kind of understand, that thinks it is corruption but it is our corruption and we need to make it go away quietly and not give other people the chance to weaponise jacob zumas corruption against the anc in general. Or we have to continue it. Once corruption gets set into complicated institutions like this, he is not the only one taking money and usually the change goes from the bottom up to the top. It is a tough thing for Cyril Ramaphosa, assuming he gets into power. There are institutions that are fighting corruption and it is a complicated country with the press and the persecutors, factions within the anc and the other parties, they are all still trying to make it clean, but it will be very difficult after a long history of corruption for the next person to get rid of it, notjust for historical reasons, but because there are people with their hands out. And that is Cyril Ramaphosas problem right now. He does not want to looked like he is sanctioning this continuation of a corrupt system, which does not begin and end with jacob zuma, but at the same time he does not want to basically rattle the infrastructure of corruption which exists, so he does not want to make it look like. He reminds me of the transition of de santos in angola who, when he left his position and handed it to other people, made sure that this network of patronage and corruption it is less corruption it is patronage basically and made sure it existed so he could still maintain his interests and his network exists. It exists in business, in the economy, it is one of the reasons why the south african economy is in such dire straits and has been for such a long time. It is because there is this sort of cabal of business interests that runs it. Also the trade unions. The most troubling aspect of this is the economic component in that. Just look at the numbers. You are looking at unemployment above 25 , Living Standards have gone backwards. If you get this change and it happens, then we all have to hope it makes some kind of difference, but he is still really going to be as a former trade unionist and businessman himself a creature of those interests. Trade unions are incredibly powerful. The communist party in south africa is a very powerful component of that coalition, holding it all together. What south africa needs is radical economic reform. It needs Market Driven reforms to encourage foreign investment. It needs reform of its political system so that you have stability and the rule of law and corruption is driven out. He may well get office, but good luck to him. Does that benefit people . Precisely. And then the elections are coming up. It is one of those examples in the world where you think what will it actually take when you look at those economic numbers and the corruption and cronyism inbuilt in the economy . What will it take for voters to try Something Different . One of the lessons of Global Politics in the last few years is people, when tested, strange things can happen and new forces can emerge. I wonder whether south africa is one of those places. The problem with the anc is it is sort of like the Muslim Brotherhood in the arab world. They have spent so much time in opposition that once the establishment was overthrown there is nothing else, so there are too many people that still associate the anc with an anti apartheid opposition. It will take a long time for another party or another body politic to develop. It is also a history of apartheid and a history of who was in opposition at the time. If i may, i do not see jacob zuma ever going to jail because of that. He is such a smooth operator and in all these scandals he looks like teflon man. The next election is next year and the hard bet is really for Cyril Ramaphosa and he is going to negotiate something. They are playing at outsmarting each other, but in the end the anc is going to hang onto power i think. So, there were huge cheers from the crowd in the Olympic Stadium in pyeongchang as athletes from north and south korea arrived under one flag during the Opening Ceremony of the winter games. Now as the sporting competition is under way, the norths kimjong un has invited the south korean president , president moon, for talks in pyongyang. It would be the first meeting of korean leaders in more than ten years. How do all of us think we should be reading this invitation . Jeff, can i start with you . I think why not . Pretty interesting. I think for the north it is a no brainer. They have got the Nuclear Weapons, the hydrogen bomb, the missiles that continue to fly. Why not appear to be magnanimous, why not make it harder for trump to do the bloody nose attack that washington keeps talking about . Why not divide south korea to some degree from washington and japan . It is a very skilful thing. It does not cost him anything. Trump interestingly might try in his inimitable way to take credit. I have been rattling my sabre, now something is happening, lets see what happens. That is the dealmaker of trump. In fact, there is no solution to the north Korean Nuclear problem. They have got the weapons they are not giving them up, there is nothing except a war that would stop it and there are a lot of voices in washington that understand this. But this makes this much harder for him to try anything radical even if mike pence is saying it is an evil regime and we have to fight, fight. It is notjoining up with what is going on in south korea. Mike pence looked particularly uncomfortable during the Opening Ceremony. He did not really know where to look. I have to say i am always very sceptical when the olympics and the ioc get involved in a political story. It is one of the most political organisations. Has the ioc got anything to do with this . And questionable organisations or movements. North korea will not listen to trump, but they will listen to the ioc just think what the payoff is worth look at the political rhetoric at the opening about unity. They even had john lennons imagine song at the Opening Ceremony. I am pretty wary of it really having much of a political impact. I think it is really ultimately about the sport and i am not a great fan of Winter Sports. Like lots of people you do end up getting sucked into watching this extraordinary display of people you have never heard of and sports you dont know the rules for. And somehow it is captivating. But i do think there is a legitimate claim that trump can make that the fact that he has kind of kept the North Koreans guessing has created some sort of movement.