Transcripts For BBCNEWS Afternoon Live 20180209 : comparemel

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Afternoon Live 20180209

Have been win to become a light dusting of snow here. Through the rest of the afternoon the rain is going to ease away from the south east corner and well see sunny spells but it wont be very warm. Highest values through the afternoon around 5 7d and a brisk north westerly wind making it feel cool on exposed coasts. Through the evening train arrives to the west, a real west east to divide. As it bumps into cold air in scotland and Northern Ireland, a spell of snow for a time. Here and in sheltered eastern areas we will see the lowest values, blue tone suggesting temperatures will be below freezing first thing tomorrow morning. Snow could be an issue during the early hours of saturday. 5 10 centimetres, maybe nine. Icy stretches with the combination of rain and snow moving into the east. Snow showers across the Lake District, rain through wales and South West England, and thatis that is going to drift steadily east. For many across england and wales, not shaping up to be a particularly great saturday afternoon. Conditions will improve through scotland, brightness coming through. Temperature 6 iid. Double digit in the south west but with the cloud and rain, pretty miserable. I understand there are important rugby matches taking place over the weekend. Lots of rain around on saturday. The winds will be a feature into ireland, it could have an effect on the kicking game. Once we got rid of that rain and move into sunday, we could see gales or severe gales on the southern flank of the low as it pulls away. Behind, well, winter proper on sunday. These showers will be falling as snow across north west scotland, Northern Ireland, north west england. That said, a drier day, but bitterly cold for many of us. Top temperatures around 4 8d. Plenty of whether to look out for over the weekend. More details on the afternoon live show. Take care, jane. Details on the afternoon live show. Take care,jane. A details on the afternoon live show. Take care, jane. A reminder of the main story here this lunchtime. Two british jihadis captured in syria have been accused of murdering more than 20 prisoners. That is all from the bbc news at one pm. Goodbye from me. On bbc one wejoin the bbc news at one pm. Goodbye from me. On bbc one we join the bbc the bbc news at one pm. Goodbye from me. On bbc one wejoin the bbc news tea m me. On bbc one wejoin the bbc news team wherever you are. Have a good afternoon. Hello, youre watching afternoon live. Im simon mccoy. Today at 2. Two british jihadis captured in syria have been accused of murdering more than 20 prisoners, and subjecting others to extreme torture. If it goes to trial ill certainly be there, i certainly will look them in the eye and let them know i am who i am and they have destroyed a big part of my life. Allegations that aid workers for one of the countrys biggest charities, oxfam, regularly used prostitutes when stationed in haiti in 2011. Its not a given the eu throws doubt on a brexit transition period Michel Barnier says hes surprised by the substantial disagreements between uk and the eu. A handshake of history as the sister of north Koreas Kim Jong un meets the south korean president at the opening of the Winter Olympics. The athletes from dprk and are ok, by marching together, sent a powerful message of peace to the world. Dprk and rok. Powerful message of peace to the world. Dprk and rok. Coming up, all the sport with you. Once the ceremony is all the sport with you. Once the ceremony is over all the sport with you. Once the ceremony is over its all about the sport. Well be talking about great britains cha nters, theyve sport. Well be talking about great britains chanters, theyve sent three times as many athletes to these games as they did four years ago and are targeting a record medal haul, just one more than in saatchi. For technical reasons weve got to louise here with a quick synopsis of what were looking to in the weather. Snow for Scotland First thing saturday morning, some heavy rain to come as well. Saturday looks miserable. Best of the sunshine, but cold on sunday. Who needs graphics . Also coming up dippy on tour the Natural History museums iconic dinosaur starts his adventure on theJurassic Coast. Hello everyone. This is afternoon live. Im simon mccoy. Two british fighters believed to have been part of a cell of the Islamic State group that beheaded hostages have been captured Alexanda Kotey, and El Shafee Elsheikh were captured by Syrian Kurdish forces. They were two of the four british is members widely known as the beatles. But now theyre caught the question is what happens to them next. Sould they face trial . And if so where. In britain, where theres some confusion as to exactly how british they now are. Or in amerca. Where there may be some in the Trump Administration who would like to send them to Guantanamo Bay. Richard galpin reports. 34 year old Alexanda Kotey was captured in Eastern Syria last month, along with 29 year old El Shafee Elsheikh. The news only confirmed now by us officials. They were caught by Syrian Kurdish fighters like these, who are backed by the americans. Us forces have been interrogating the two men. The other members of the notorious british gang of is fighters were aine davis, whos injail in turkey, and the ringleader, mohammed emwazi, known asjihadijohn, killed in a drone strike in 2015. Kotey and elsheikh were the last to be found. Today, the police went to the family home of El Shafee Elsheikh in west london. All the gang came from the same area, and were radicalised here before leaving for syria and iraq. Makeshift bomb shelters in the bottom of a school. The american journalist james foley was the first of at lease 27 western hostages, who us Officials Say were beheaded by the gang. The killing videoed, and then put on the internet. And this is david haines, a british aid worker, who was also captured by Islamic State and beheaded in 2014. Alan henning, a former taxi driver, who became a volunteer aid worker in syria in 2013 was the second british man to be murdered. The videos showed mohammed emwazi, jihadijohn, killing each of these men and others. They should die a long, slow, painful death. And i think quite a lot of people understand that, that they shouldnt be allowed to live. But realistically, thats not going to happen. And you have to come to terms with that. The best thing for them is to be locked up and throw away the key. They should never be allowed back into society, because they willjust recruit people, and they will just do this again. If it goes to trial, ill certainly be there. I certainly want to look them in the eye and let them know that im who i am. And theyve destroyed a big part of my life. Some westerners guarded by the british gang did manage to get out alive, including frenchjournalist nicolas henin, whos delighted by the capture of kottey and sheffield take but want proper trial. Revenge is an endless cycle, where justice eventually aims at extinguishing violence by setting up all the grievances and bringing back peace. And this is what i want. But its possible kotey and elsheikh may end up here at Guantanamo Bay, where there would not be a normal trial. Although its not confirmed, the bbc believes theyve been stripped of their british citizenship, which means they could remain in american hands. Richard galpin, bbc news. With me in the studio to discuss this is will geddes, an International Security specialist and founder of private Security Firm icp. The question is, will they face a trial . Well talk about where later. The principle is they should face trial. There is an awful lot of pressure and to a certain extent not play into the terrorism agenda, in particular the Islamic State agenda, we would exact same type ofjustice on them in terms of incarceration without any due process. Politically, and for a counter propaganda argument, its important for them to be put through a judicial process. Having said that, the sentencing would have to be of the most severe level possible. Lets deal with wear. They are two british men but had been stripped of their citizenship. Will britain be possibly relieved not to have to deal with them and allow the americans to . There are distinct advantages by the americans processing these two and us being able to link english responsibility insomuch as certainly the processes of interview. They have no doubt implemented those to determine this very Critical Data about Islamic States current status. Potentially some of thejihadists states current status. Potentially some of the jihadists who may be returning. Theyve given some information up. Quite a bit by all accounts, but to be honest the story has broken from some of my sources, earlier than the americans would have liked. Apparently there was information must lines of inquiry, still being one, that this release the new york media has certainly put them into a bit of a tailspin, a very small one, but tailspin nonetheless in terms of trying to expedite some of that information. There is a lot of Critical Data from these two that could have some bearing. When we talk about obtaining information from them do we know how its being done . The americans have a broader portfolio if we can call it that in terms of their interviewing or enhanced interviewing processes than we would in the uk. America is a very good, strong ally in the Intelligence Community with the uk. Information will be shared inevitably between the two. Weve advanced since the days of abu ghraib for example. Certainly there have been some good arguments as to some of those extreme measures considered, whether they are in fact counter productive. They will have drawn more information in a shorter period of time. There will be those that say the rights of these two mean nothing given the severity and horror of what they are alleged to have committed. This brings us full circle to the point we discussed at the beginning. Should we fall into the beginning. Should we fall into the same parameters Islamic State are endorsing in terms of denying them any kind of civil or human rights . What do we think these two have done . Allegedly they have carried out in excess of two dozen executions and countless crucifixions, beheadings, torturing of the various types. These two are devil incarnate. The punishment should be commensurate to the crimes theyve allegedly carried out. What do you think is going to happen next . I think theyll still be processed. And the timing is key as to when they are then ultimately brought out in public for processing. The process of any kind ofjudicial hearing prosecution is going to be done very carefully. There is a lot of intelligence that the agencies will not want to disclose. I think that will be the time at which it is key. Its also keep not to be counter productive by furthering their poster boy status to those that still follow that Islamic State agenda. As ever thank you very much. Youre watching afternoon live. The headlinesz. Two british Islamic State fighters thought to have been part of a cell that tortured and beheaded hostages are captured in syria. The Charity Oxfam says the actions of aid workers reported to have used prostitutes when stationed in haiti were totally u na cce pta ble. The eus chief brexit negotiator Michel Barnier says a proposed transition period after britain leaves the Single Market and Customs Union is not a given and checks at the irish border were unavoidable. In sport a spectacular Opening Ceremony has taken place at the Winter Olympics in pyeongchang. Skeleton gold medallist Lizzy Yarnold was flying the flag for team gb. Michael oneills four Year Contract extension as Northern Ireland manager has been formally announced. He recently turned down the chance to succeed Gordon Strachan as scotland boss. Riyad mahrez has trained with the club for the First Time Since a proposed january move to Manchester City fell through. That is all the sport for now. More at half past two. The eus chief negotiatior, Michel Barnier, has thrown into doubt the uks plans for a transition period after brexit saying its not a given, if disagreements in the negotiations persist. Mr barnier also told a News Conference that checks at the irish border would be unavoidable, once britain has left the Single Market and Customs Union. These future relationship would need to avoid hard borders and protect the good friday agreement. Once again, it is important to tell the truth. A uk decision to leave the Single Market and to leave the Customs Union would make border checks unavoidable. Our correspondent adam fleming is in brussels , and a short time ago he gave my colleague ben brown an update. Whats going on at the moment is that the officials in that building, the european commission, and their british counterparts are trying to turn the commitments made between the Prime Minister and Jean Claude Juncker in december, written down in a document called the joint report, they are trying to turn that into an actual text of a treaty, the withdrawal agreement, the actual brexit treaty. Theyve got to make it legally watertight and sounds like a treaty should. They are discussing how to turn those pledges on avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland into legal language. Michel barnier says at the moment they will proceed on the basis they will go for the uks third favourite option, which is continued regulatory alignment with the Single Market and Customs Union, which to some people sounds like staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union, which the uk doesnt want. Having said that, the uk is now going to present its other two options. Coming up with a really good future relationship that means this wont be a problem, coming up with specific solutions to the border which means you dont need border which means you dont need border checks. Oxfam is newspaper reports here in the uk are alleging that aid workers for one of the countrys biggest charities, oxfam, regularly used prostitutes when stationed in haiti in 2011. Prostitution is illegal there, and the use of sex workers is banned by the charitys code of conduct. We can speak to the chief executive of oxfam at the time Dame Barbara Stocking. Thank you for coming in. You were first to wear Something Like this was going to be reported in 2011 thanks to a. When you read the reactions what was your reaction . Fax to a whistle blower. reactions what was your reaction . Fax to a whistleblower. I said we have to do an investigation and find out whats going on. Which we did. The investigation was set up immediately. We had to deal with all those different people involved. And deal with the disciplinary matters around that to get it absolutely closed down. Once you have found that these allegations were true why didnt you sack them . We did quite a lot of them. The first one we did. The country director was informed about the allegations first off as the Investigation Team arrived. In order to make sure people werent actually put off from talking to us, we allowed him. He immediately resigned frankly. Then we look that and well accept that. Then we got into the disciplinary actions around six more. Reading the times, it says what you said was, we dont need the damage this could do to us. Well find a dignified and easy way for you to go. No, what we needed was him to stay there and cooperate, thats what we needed in that series of investigations that was going to ta ke of investigations that was going to take place. What we didnt want, though some of it happened, was have people who were going to give evidence to be bullied or anything else. At least he was saying, ive done very wrong and im going. Therefore it was prepared to help us make sure we could get the investigation done properly. Make sure we could get the investigation done properlym make sure we could get the investigation done properly. It was more than one person, how wide did this go . We investigated nine in the end including the country director. Four dismissed, three resigned early, two resigned in the process of the investigation before they could be dismissed, two were found not culpable. How much of your handling was down to not wanting to damage the name oxfam . Its not about the name, the issue was about trying to make sure we did this righ

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