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philadelphia as the eagles win the trophy for the first time in their history. good morning. it's monday 5th february. i'm annita mcveigh. welcome to bbc newsroom live. michel barnier will be in downing street later for talks about a transition period after britain leaves the eu. he will meet the brexit secretary, david davis, in the first of a series of discussions this week. it comes after the government indicated it remains determined to leave the customs union when brexit takes place next year. that is being seen as an attempt to defuse a growing row within the conservative party. mps to back brexit say membership of any customs union would restrict british businesses‘ ability to trade freely. adam fleming is in brussels for us. looking through what michel barnier said this morning, he didn't seem to be drawn very much on this message from downing street saying that britain would not be staying in the customs union. no, he batted away all questions about the stuff that is in today's news. he would not be drawn on the difference is and whether the customs union was the only option that was available and whether that was ruled out after brexit. you do not want to talk about the timetable or the stability or otherwise of the british government. he stuck to the message, which is, we have got to get a move on. time is ticking, one of his favourite phrases, so he says he will accelerate his useful contacts, not just with the will accelerate his useful contacts, notjust with the uk but with other eu institutions. here is what he had to say as he arrived to get on his train to london. i am very pleased to catch up with david davis just ahead of the new round of negotiations which will begin tomorrow morning in brussels for the week. my feeling is we have not a minute to lose because we want to achieve a deal, and once again, we have not a minute to lose. there is so have not a minute to lose. there is so much work. we have decided for this reason to accelerate all the contacts, useful contacts. iwill this reason to accelerate all the contacts, useful contacts. i will be in london today, i will be in strasbourg tomorrow to meet the european parliament. i will be in frankfurt on wednesday to meet mario draggy and the team, and in parallel, i will travel to the 27 capitals, meeting the governments, the national parliaments, the trade unions, the business community is. we want to reach deal respecting the rules of the eu. we have to respect the british government, but they have to respect the rule of the eu. the rules of the eu — what sort of alternatives are rev the uk does not wa nt to alternatives are rev the uk does not want to be in the customs union? the eu does have other customs union — like arrangements with other countries, such as turkey and san marino. the eu mantra is that the closer you are to the eu, the less friction there is in the relationship and the closer you have to stick to eu rules and regulations. that is where the tension is with the british position, because they want their own rules and regulations. that is what brexit is all about for the british government. the other thing the eu pulled out as well is that it is not just about the eu pulled out as well is that it is notjust about how the eu pulled out as well is that it is not just about how you the eu pulled out as well is that it is notjust about how you treat customs, and having someone checking the import and export duties of goods, it is also about regulatory standards, product safety standards for goods, animals and plants, and food products. it is a whole host of other things rather than just what you do about customs. of course, this is all very important for what you do about the border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. it is a key to solving that problem as well. in terms of the brexit talks this week, they are very technical. david davis will see michel barnierfor lunch very technical. david davis will see michel barnier for lunch today, and thatis michel barnier for lunch today, and that is a big catch up, but the real work will be done by your officials when they meet in brussels on tuesday and wednesday and thursday. they will talk about things that we re they will talk about things that were left over from phase one of the brexit talks, and they will talk about the irish border, turning commitments made into legal text, and it is only on friday that senior officials will discuss and get an update on the uk position and how it sees the future relationship. they will be discussing the stuff about what to replace the customs union with. thank you, adam. let's cross now to our assistant political editor norman smith. good morning to you, norman. after days of confusing signals from various ministers about the government approach to future customs arrangements, are we any clearer now? we are clearer in the sense that mrs may seems to have thrown a bone to have brexiteers, who have been up in arms in recent days, demanding she spells out more clearly where we are going. today, she said, not only are we going to be part of the customs union, there was no question of us being part of any customs union. you could say that has always been implicit, but mrs may has put it down in black and white, which has delighted them, because they want priority to be given to having the freedom to strike our own trade deals once we leave the eu. that was the point made by conservative mp kwasi kwa rteng made by conservative mp kwasi kwarteng this morning. what i would say about the customs union is that if we were members of that, it would inhibit our ability to strike deals with other countries, which is one of the benefits brexit. we can have more flexibility, and we can extend those trade deals and relationships across the world. so, i don't think that the risks, as you say, of leaving the customs union outweigh the potential benefits. leaving the customs union outweigh the potential benefitslj leaving the customs union outweigh the potential benefits. i am joined now by wes streeting, a prominent remain campaign. are we any further forward in terms of having a sense of what mrs may is seeking to negotiate? the prime minister was putting party political management ahead of the national interest. theresa may can say what she likes about the customs union and single market, a position does not command a majority of mps, which is why so many supporters of open britain, the campaign for the softest possible brexit, trying to put the pressure notjust on the brexit, trying to put the pressure not just on the government to clarify their chaotic position, but also won the leadership of my party, because if the labour party said tomorrow that we would keep britain in the single market and customs union, we know that position would command a majority, notjust a majority of labour party members or supporters, but a majority of voters in the country and a majority of mps in the country and a majority of mps in the building behind us. so, i hope that, you know, we can get to a position where parliament asserts itself in the national interest because so many jobs itself in the national interest because so manyjobs and livelihoods are at stake. is the right prospect thatjeremy corbyn could vote down a customs union? the pressure on the labour party leadership is growing. we have seen the trade union movement speaking out because they know that members' jobs rely on britain being in the single market and customs union. lots of labour mps are beginning to pull their hair out, and frankly, tory remainers have made it clear through amendments they have tabled to legislation that they want to keep britain in the customs union. a numberof labourmps britain in the customs union. a number of labour mps have joined them. the question is whetherjeremy corbyn, john mcdonnell them. the question is whetherjeremy corbyn, john mcdonnell in the shadow cabinet will lead us to a position where we can defeat the government. call me old—fashioned, but i think it is in the interest of the opposition to beat the government on votes, but party politics aside, this is about protecting the national interest. the labour party has a particular responsibility. we are meant to be the party ofjobs, and if we want a soft brexit, we have to remain in the single market and customs union. what about those who argue that one of the key benefits was the ability to strike oui’ benefits was the ability to strike our own trade deals, and that most of our trade will be outside the eu in the next 50 years or so? if you stay in a customs union, you make that impossible. i am glad you asked, because it is one of the big fallacies of the argument. through out fallacies of the argument. through our membership of the single market and customs union, we already have trade agreements with countries around the world. our clout to negotiate those deals is made as pa rt of negotiate those deals is made as part of the bloc representing half a billion consumers. the question is, are we prepared to torch the trade agreement we have with our single biggest trading partner, the 500 million customers of europe, and the other 65, for the sake of conservative party political management? and the other question is, will my party be brave enough to step up and showed the leadership the country needs to unite a majority in the house of commons to keep britain in the single market and customs union, and i very much hope they will. thank you for your time. anita, it is notjust the tory brexiteers who are arming themselves. many remains are pointing to some of the language that senior cabinet ministers are using around the issue, talking about a customs partnership, a customs arrangement. although mrs may has a pretty clearly today that we will not be part of a customs union, both sides seem to believe there is still a battle to be fought here. 0k, norman. thank you very much. news coming in that a further 452 jobs are being lost as a result of the collapse of the construction film carillion. —— the construction firm carillion. the receiver has just announced that. the sole surviving suspect behind the paris terror attacks in 2015 will go on trial in belgium today. salah abdeslam faces charges relating to a shootout he had with police while on the run in belgium in 2016. he faces a second trial relating to his involvement in the paris attacks at a later date. our europe correspondent gavin lee is at the court in brussels. gavin, salah abdeslam saying he wouldn't answer any questions, but he did speak, didn't he? he has spoken here. he said he was tired, that he wants to remain seated. he was driven from a high security prison on the french — belgian border in the early hours of the morning with a huge convoy, 200 officers, to secure this building and the transport route for the prisoner who was most described —— once described as europe's most wa nted once described as europe's most wanted man. he was on the run for four months. he said he will use his right to remain silent. he said it is not to signify he believes he is guilty, but he wants to see that the evidence is forensic and scientific study said he did not believe in the system. he said he is not afraid of you or your allies. why this case is interesting, this is not related to the paris attacks directly, though he is said to be the sole surviving suspect. his image was picked up on cctv hours after the attacks at a service station close to the belgian border. four months later, in a brussels suburb, as police were trying to approach a hideout where they were trying to arrest him, they came under heavy arms fire, kalashnikov fire, sustain for three hours, three officers injured. salah abdeslam was seen to have fled over rooftops with another accomplice, who was also in court today. four days after that came the brussels attack. it is thought to be a wider group. prosecutors hope to find out more about the paris attacks, more about the wider group involved with salah abdeslam, but given that he has remained silent while in prison, in isolation, so far, he is remaining silent in court, too. gavin lee, thanks very much. customers of the lloyds banking group have been banned from using their credit cards to buy virtual currencies such as bitcoin. the decision affects all account holders with lloyds bank, bank of scotland, halifax and mbna. the group says it's protecting customers from running up debts they could never repay. our business presenter ben thompson can tell us more. just remind us what bitcoin is. there are so many ways of describing it, i don't think we have the time, really. just one will do! it is an online currency, one that does not exist in notes and coins but only in the virtual world. the real issue is that it the virtual world. the real issue is thatitis the virtual world. the real issue is that it is not governed by banks or institutions we were traditionally relied on to look after our money, which has meant there is a lot of scepticism about how it is regulated, monitored and who is keeping an eye on transactions. that said, it is also pretty volatile. we have seen the value of it in real money value fluctuating. last november, it was worth $19,000, and last week it was worth $8,000, a huge fluctuation. lloyds say they are worried about people trying to buy bitcoin using a credit card and then, given those sort of fluctuations, you might find that even before you have paid off your credit card bill, it could have fallen significantly, leaving a big debt. their concern is that the bank would end up footing the debt, not the consumer. does lloyds have evidence that its customers have been using their credit cards to purchase bitcoin? traditionally, you would say yes. they are looking at the number of people trying to get into this sphere. they have seen big rises in the value and think this is an opportunity potentially to make money. as we know, there is a lot of concern about how it is regulated and governed. facebook recently announced that it would ban any advertising bitcoin— related products on its site. other governments around the world are saying, we need to regulate this more closely because we're not sure what happens next. we know it is pretty volatile, and it is that volatility that is scaring many people. this move that you have talked about from lloyds, that affects anyone from lloyds, bank of scotland, halifax or mbna. does not affect you on a debit card, because of course, you have to have the money to spend. it only applies to credit card customers, about 8 million of them at lloyd's. ben, thank you. a new ring—fenced tax to fund the nhs and social care in england has been proposed by a panel of health experts. the panel, commissioned by the liberal democrats has also recommended a return of caps on personal payments for adult social care. here's our health editor, hugh pym. thousands of demonstrators marched through london at the weekend calling for increased funding for the nhs. health unions joined other campaigners, arguing there was a winter crisis which needed urgent action and investment. today, a report from health experts, including the former head of nhs england, has called for new answers to nhs funding problems. the report commissioned by the liberal democrats calls for an extra ?billion on top of inflation for the nhs in england in the next financial year, more than double the increase ——for an extra 4 billion on top of inflation for the nhs in england a single, ring—fenced tax for health and social care replacing national insurance. and reinstating a commitment to cap the costs paid by individuals for social care. the report argues that higher funding needed for health and care should come through increased taxation, and that this will be more transparent if there is a dedicated tax for this purpose. longer waiting lists and rationing for some treatments, it says, are undermining the key principles of the nhs. in response, the department of health and social care said the nhs had been prioritised in the budget, and an extra ? billion had already been provided for social care in england. hugh pym, bbc news. i'm joined now by richard murray, who is the director of policy at the kings fund, a think tank specialising in health care policy. good to have you with us. the conservative minister, nick bowles, has been talking about this sort of idea, and labour has been talking along these lines as well. how much does this report developed the concept of a special ring fenced tax for the nhs? it takes it forward in a number of quite important ways. first, remember that this proposal was trying to sort out the short—term funding, next year, so it is looking at funding now, and then looking to the future, it takes a number of big steps. it tries to bring social care within the ring fencing, overcoming that long—term difference between health funding and social care funding. and it proposes an obr for health, trying to set out what the government should spend its money on. so it is trying to combine different things into one proposal. and the amount that should be ring fenced?m into one proposal. and the amount that should be ring fenced? it does not say that because that will be up to the obr to decide in the years to come but immediately it says £4 billion. then £2.5 billion after that. in the years beyond that, it would be for the obr to decide what the service would get. do you believe that this would put the nhs and social care on a stable financial footing, both in and social care on a stable financialfooting, both in the and social care on a stable financial footing, both in the short term and in the longer term? that is the big question, isn't it? in the short—term, this is the number people have been about, the 4 billion seems to be the right number. for the long term, there are lots of bevels in the detail about how you might move money from one year to another if you have tied yourself to a single tax, but at least in the big principles, this looks like a good attempt at trying to sort out the problems in health and social care. many people have to pay for their own social care, so there are big questions about how much the state is willing to pay for that. thank you, richard murray. breaking news just coming to us from the high court. the alleged computer hacker lauri love has won his appeal against extradition to the united states. he had been challenging a ruling that he could be extradited on charges of cyber hacking, but has just found out that he has successfully appealed. to make judges sitting at the high court in london, giving their decision in the last few moments. we can talk to our correspondent charlotte gallagher, who has been following the hearing. clearly, the result be love family have been hoping for, because they had serious concerns about lauri love's health should he have been extradited. lauri love could have faced 99 years in a us prison if he had been extradited and found guilty of these crimes. he was accused by the us government of hacking into the us government of hacking into the fbi, the us central bank and nasa and stealing a huge amount of data. lauri love's family main concerns, as you said, were for his health. he suffers from depression, has asked burgers, and they were concerned he would try to take his own life if he were sent to prison in america. his father told the bbc this morning is that if he was going to be tried, he wanted it done in britain, where he could be held in a prison in britain. the sentencing here is very different. he would have faced 99 years in prison in a us have faced 99 years in prison in a us jail have faced 99 years in prison in a us jail just have faced 99 years in prison in a usjailjust over two have faced 99 years in prison in a us jailjust over two years in jail in britain for the same crime. but we have learned he has been successful in that appeal, so he won't be extradited to the us. he seemed relaxed when he arrived at court this morning with his girlfriend, sylvia. he told reporters he felt confident in the british justice system, and we expect in the next few minutes that we will hear a few words from him and —— from him and his family about the result. were the judges not persuaded that the risk to his health could be managed in the us? we haven't had any details of the judgment so far, but there had been concerns raised about how mental health is dealt with in us prisons compared to british ones, and that was a point that lauri love's father had stressed numerous times, that he really feared for his son's safety if he was extradited and put in a us prison. mr love's lawyers said it would be unjust and oppressive to extradite him back to the us, and obviously the judges today have agreed with that. we have had a statement from the legal group liberty, who have intervened in this case, saying, where unlawful activity is alleged to have taken place in the uk, those suspected should be tried in the uk, not packed off to foreign courts. we are delighted that the court has recognised lauri love's vulnerability, close family connections and the potentially catastrophic consequences of extraditing him. this case has attracted a huge amount of attention because of all those elements i have just mentioned. yes, i mean, he has had a lot of supporters coming out to court today. it has been all across the media. quite a few groups, like liberty, have been involved. there was a very similar case a few years ago, with a man called gary mckinnon, a hacker with asp burgers, like lauri love, and the us wanted to extradite him, and theresa may, then the home secretary, intervened and blocked the extradition. charlotte, thank you very much for that. charlotte gallagher, at the high court, with the news that the alleged computer hacker lauri love has successfully challenged a ruling that he should be extradited to the united states. we think we will be hearing from him and/ or his family in the next while. the institute for fiscal studies found that by the time a first child reached the age of 20, mothers earned 30% less than similarly educated father is because they do not benefit from pay rises associated with having more experience. six women from the british army have become the largest all—female group to ski coast—to—coast across antarctica. the six strong ice maiden team is the largest all—female group to ski coast—to—coast across antarctica, taking just 62 days to complete the journey. they landed back in the uk on saturday, and several of them have been speaking about what inspired them to take on such a challenge. been speaking about what inspired them to take on such a challengem started off as encouraging women in the military to get interested in that sort of training and pushing themselves mentally and physically. as it grew, more people got interested and got inspired by it. it expanded to notjust women in the military but outside, and notjust women but men, women, boys and girls who find their antarctica, find something that pushes them physically and mentally, and just prove that, although none of us had been to antarctica before, if you put the right steps in place, you can achieve anything you want. congratulations to them. drivers are being warned to take extra care on the roads as yellow warnings for snow and ice are in place for large parts of the country for the rest of the week. it is predicted to be one of the coldest weeks of the winter so far. some areas like kent are expected to get up to three centimetres of snow. there is the evidence. let's catch up with the weather right now. lucy martin has the latest for us. as we were saying, predicted to be the coldest week of the winter. tell us more. a very cold feeling weak on the way. as you said, we have seen snow this morning already. photos sent in, this one from hastings, showing a light covering of snow there. and another photo here, sent in early this morning. the south—east is where we have seen the majority of the showers, but there have been brighter skies around. the majority of those wintry showers are in the east, and able gradually work their way to the west, but they are dying out slightly as they do so. there is a lot of dry and bright weather around, good spells of sunshine developing, but a brisk north—easterly wind in the south is accentuated the cold temperatures, temperatures in the mid—single figures. this evening and overnight, the wind picks up ahead of this weather front, which will move into the north—west, bringing cloud and rain initially, then falling as snow and sleet. scotland, northern ireland, parts of wales and northern england. ahead of it, mostly dry, perhaps some patches of freezing fog. those other temperatures in towns and cities, but colder than that in the countryside. starting to see wintry showers feeding in behind. that takes us into tomorrow, and some of us will wake up to some snow on the ground and slippery surfaces. that band of rain will gradually edged to the east as we go through the day, becoming increasingly like an patchy as it does, dining out slightly. the far south—east will hold off from seeing any of that snow through much of the day. starting to see brighter intervals feeding in behind. again, some wintry showers, some heavy, the odd rumble of thunder not out of the question in the north—west. those temperatures not warm, low single figures. tomorrow evening, we will start to see that band of snow reinvigorate for a time, so we could see snow for part of east anglia and into the southeast. behind it, though, clearer skies. you can see that weather front just clears the southeast as we go through tomorrow night. the next weatherfront, however, is already starting to move into the northwest. a lot of dry weather on wednesday. it will turn increasingly cloudy through the day, some rain moving into the northwest, and the potential for snow there as well. again, cold temperatures. this week, feeling wintry with rain at times, and also snow. this is bbc news. our latest headlines: the alleged that computer hacker, lauri love has won his appeal to avoid out addition to the states. downing street have confirmed that the uk will "categorically be leaving the customs union", post brexit. the sole surviving suspect in the paris terror attacks salah abdeslam has gone on trial in a belgian court. it's been confirmed by the official receiver, that another 452 jobs are to go as a result of the collapse of the construction company carillion. a panel of health experts are proposing a new tax to fund the nhs and social care, replacing the existing national insurance system in the hope of closing the funding gap. and lloyds banking group has banned its customers from using their credit cards to buy the virtual currency bitcoin. right, now it's time the sports. that get the latest. let's start with the super bowl, where it was third time lucky for the philadelphia eagles — runners up in 1980 and 2004 — but the franchise finally won their first title overnight. in a final that will go down as one of the best, they beat the favourites and defending champions the new england patriots. let's have a look at the touchdown they're saying will be shown a billion times — nick foles — who led magnificiently on the night — became the first quarterback to throw and catch touchdowns in super bowl history. he only came into the side towards the end of the regular season as an injury replacement. imean, i mean, that is what life is about right there. we are still world champs, but time does stop when you look in your daughter's eyes and get to celebrate this moment. i get to look in my wife's eyes and celebrates that with her. my wife has been there through everything. my has been there through everything. my family has been there through everything. that is what it is about, and, i'm just grateful. and if the football is not your thing — there's always the half time show for entertainment. this year it wasjustin timberlake wowing the crowds. the 12 minute performance included a tribute to prince — he ended up in the middle of the crowd. where this 13—year—old mayjust be the most popular person in his school today — bagging a selfie with the star. and well it doesn't take long to find that selfie online. ryan mckenna the lucky 13—year—old. #selfiekid seemed to be his twitter name, as the internet fell for him — many are calling him the super bowl‘s mvp in place of foles. .. being a professional sports person is a career that most can only dream of. but when it's all over, it can be difficult to adjust back to a so called "normal" life. a survey by the professional players federation has found more than half of the 800 former sports people who responded — said they had problems with their mental or physical health following retirement. dame kelly holmes won two olympic gold medals in 2004 before retiring from athletics in 2005. when i came back from the olympics in 2004, winning two gold medals, the only british person to have done it, lots of doors open for me. but what was strange is that that came to an end, and i didn't know what i was going for any more. since the age of 14, i wanted to be in the army as a physical training instructor. i wanted to be... aged 34, had become olympic champion, and suddenly i had no idea who i was and what i wanted to be. team england have announced a 13 strong diving squad for the commonwealth games in australia in april. jack laugher and chris mears will defend their synchronised title that they won in glasgow four years ago. the pair also won great britain's first olympic diving gold in rio. and now they will be heading to the gold coast as part of the team, which also includes tom daley. the dive that we put in for rio was out the dive that we put in for rio was our new dive. that has the highest difficulty of any competitor currently, so we were the first to do it in synchronised diving. so, we we re do it in synchronised diving. so, we were pioneers for diving, the sport forward , were pioneers for diving, the sport forward, and that gave us the edge to get as that old. we are just going to try and work on each individual skill to try and get them as good as possible for the commonwealth. that's all the sport for now. i'll have more for you in the next hour. we are going to take you straight to the high court where lauri love has successfully challenged a decision to exit it into america. successfully challenged a decision to exit it into americalj successfully challenged a decision to exit it into america. i am very thankfulfor all of the to exit it into america. i am very thankful for all of the support that we have had, without which i am not sure i would have made it this far. thankfulfor your sure i would have made it this far. thankful for your interest, that is members of the free press, without which we didn't have a justice system. sorry... ok, so... we will have a press conference down the road where i can speak a bit more, but right now, we are just very doubtfulfor but right now, we are just very doubtful for everyone's help and support, and we must clear the gangway. chants i would like to say that this decision affects my life, but the reason i have gone through this ordeal, is notjust to save myself on being locked up and 99 years in a country have never visited, but to set a precedent whereby this will not happen to other people in the future, that if there is suspected, loudly, that it will be tried here in the uk, and america will not try and exercise exit territorial jurisdiction. we are hopeful that other people may be able to rely on this verdict to ensure that they are treated most humanely by the justice system. i think we need to clear the way now, thanks, guys. so, a brief statement from lauri love, as he leaves the high court with his friends and family, and supporters, having successfully challenged a ruling that he should be extradited to the united states, saying that he was very thankful for that judgment. for the support that he had been given and also thanking what he called the free press, and hoping that this case would set a precedent that this case would set a precedent that people charged with offences like this should be tried at home rather than be extradited. his father had said that the reverend alexander love, had warned that he feared for his son's life, because he did not think that lauri love could cope with the trauma of being sent to the united states. he suffers from asperger‘s syndrome and a number of other illnesses, and he said that if he needs to face trial, then that trial should be conducted here in the uk. he said that if he had —— we had a special relationship with the us, we should... his lawyers have successfully argued that he should stay in the uk. and we will bring you more on that case a little bit later on in the newsroom life. —— in newsroom live. downing street has indicated that the uk will definitely be not remaining ina the uk will definitely be not remaining in a customs union protest brexit. the eu chief is visiting the ukfor brexit. the eu chief is visiting the uk for talks with david davis, and indeed with theresa may. chris morris from bbc reality check is here. number ten have now ruled out the prospect of remaining in a customs union, but there are many outstanding issues still to resolve? notjust not just what feature customs arrangements there will be? yes. it isa arrangements there will be? yes. it is a very long list, unravelling more than 40 years of membership. we must not forget that the things that we talked about last year have not yet been finalised. we were talking all the time about the irish border, about money, the divorce bill, and about money, the divorce bill, and about the rights and future of eu citizens, here. this has all got to be clarified, and in particular, the irish border, customs arrangements really matter there. can you really have a invisible border without any sort of customs union? all of these issues have got to be finalised in and put into a withdrawal agreement, and put into a withdrawal agreement, and that has got to be put in place before the uk leaves the eu in march 200019. so, all that has got to be done, it's been going on behind the scenes, before we even start to talk about the future. and of course, the future involves transitional arrangements, doesn't it? yes, and thatis arrangements, doesn't it? yes, and that is the next thing that will be talked about in detail in terms of formal talks. we are talking about a period of up to two years, after march 2019, the eu has now said no less tha n march 2019, the eu has now said no less than 2020. that is about 21 months. the uk would follow the eu regulations as it does now, but it would not have a vote in decision—making. on the other hand, it would then be able to start negotiating and signing trade agreements with other countries around the world. it wouldn't be able to implement them, and there is able to implement them, and there is a question to be asked about how many countries would actually want to signa many countries would actually want to sign a deal until they know what kind of future relationship the uk has with the eu, but never the less that freedom to look further afield must be there. -- that freedom might be there. as we look forward to was the future religion ship with the teu, that is still very unclear, isn't it? it is, but it is key. this isn't it? it is, but it is key. this is the way that we will settle. this will be the basis of our entire future with our nearest neighbours. obviously trade is a big part of that, and the customs relationship will be critically important. we have got to decide, is the uk going to stay very closely aligned with eu rules and regulations? willets fought its own path? is it going to try and have a bit of theirs and a bit of that? the eu tends to call that cherry picking. there are other things that need to be resolved, as well. security and policing. foreign policy. all of these things are issues with which we have had a very close relationship with the eu for decades. they need to be an pace, and a new relationship needs be put together for the future. so, and a new relationship needs be put togetherfor the future. so, yes, there is a lot to do. ice morris, thank you very much. south africa's president jacob zuma has defied his party and refused to step down, according to media reports. he and senior members of the african national congress held talks yesterday but no details of their meeting have been released. the bbc‘s milton nkosi is following the developments and joins us live from johannesburg. just give us the context first of all, why there is not a framework forjacob zuma to stand down. so, what is happening now within the african national congress is that they had a new leader elected back in december, cyril ramaphosa, who is the current deputy president under president zuma. she leads the governing african national congress, but presidentjacob governing african national congress, but president jacob zuma, governing african national congress, but presidentjacob zuma, concert usually, still has about 18 months ago, and this has now created two centres of power, within the country. people think that cyril ramaphosa is now in charge of the country, de facto, and that they're there for president zuma is a lame duck president. but, the latter still think that he is in charge, because he is doubly president of the republic, and the head of state. the people within the anc have decided that president zuma must step down. they have been begging him to voluntarily resign. he is, seemingly has refused, and they are trying now to encourage him, even more, to resign. ahead of thursday, when he is expected to deliver the annual state of the nation address. so, how did this situation arise in the first place? that there are, as you say, two centres of power, and what will happen if president zuma refuses to go until the end of this 18 month period? kane yes, this comes from deep divisions within the african national congress. there are those people who believe that president zuma has this much the name, the good name of the liberation movement, the african national congress. his sydney of corruption allegations hanging over him. of course, he denies that. his litany. other people think that... where white people in the main are still in charge of the mainstream economy, and the black people, who are in the majority, are still in the outside of that mainstream economy, and they feel that president zuma is being attacked, precisely because he is trying to make inroads for black people to share the pie, if you like. that is by the divisions of the anc are, and some who are supporting cyril ramaphosa say, no, the man is corrupt, you must go. we have got an election next year, the opposition might come and win. if we keep him there, he is a liability. that is where the anc divisions are. they insisted before the conference in december, they seem to be just as raw as they were then. thank you so much for that. in a moment a summary of the business news this hour but first, the headlines on bbc newsroom live: the high court has ruled that lauri love who have alleged to have hacked into us government computers in 2012 and 2013 and not be extradited to the united states. downing street have confirmed that the uk will "categorically be leaving the customs union", post brexit. the only surviving suspect of the attacks that killed more of a hundred people in paris in november 2015 has gone on trial in belgium over the gunfight that saw him arrested. in the business news: lloyds bank has banned customers from buying bitcoin and other digital currencies using their credit cards. bitcoin's value has fallen sharply and lloyds says it's concerned it could be left to foot the bill, if customers' lose money. car sales in the uk fell 6.3% last month according to the industry body. the society of motor manufacturers & traders says 163,600 were sold, with diesels slumping nearly 26%. the number of electric and hybrid cars sold was up nearly 24%. ryanair says profits are up 12% for the last three months of last year, despite cancellations and delays caused by pilot strikes and other disruption. the boss of ryanair, michael o'leary, has said some of the demands being made by trade unions are "laughable", warning that the airline would rather deal with strikes rather than give in to them. lloyds has banned its customers from buying bitcoin and other crypto—currencies on their credit cards — a move that could affect the bank's 8 million credit card customers. the move follows a sharp fall in the value of digital currencies, prompting fears about people running up debts. lloyds is concerned it could end up footing the bill for unpaid debts should the price continue to fall. bitcoin ended last week down 30% that's its worst week since april 2013 and well below the $19,000 it reached last november. let speak to frank boyd. we have seen the volatility, and we talk about those numbers from 19,000 to 4000. that is ultimately what is behind this. it is so volatile, and lloyd is saying, we don't want to be pa rt lloyd is saying, we don't want to be part of it yet. today, we are seeing, yet again, another bubble bursting. the move from lloyds is that it does not want to be on the hook if the price continues to fall, is which it is likely to. the concern is that a lot of people have taken out debt in order to buy bit coins, and beam worry is that people will invest their life savings in this, and that the uk economy continues to decline, and more and more people struggle to make ends meet, they are potentially going to look too risky ways of making money. it's coin hysteria, as we saw in the end of last year, seems to have resulted in a lot of people taking our debts to take at bit coin. can banks tell people what to spend money on on their credit cards? as we know. banks have various rules and regulations. if you buy a car, the bag is liable. it is making... we have also got to think about the hype around bit coin. it is a bubble that has burst, but although it is a flaw in the technology, and it has turned into speculative asset, i think that as a crypto currency explodes, we are going to see governments and central banks trying to figure out how to regulate things. but, behind that, there is a technology that could be used for actually making our money and payment system more fair. you say that the bubble has burst, but we should be clear that these things can go up should be clear that these things can go up in value as well as down. there is nothing to say that it cannot go back up again? well, if you look at the actual trajectory of bit coins at around 2011, when it first came on the scene, the real hype and hysteria that we have seen, the rate of growth in the last year, and then the fall again, is unprecedented. we are already down at 5500. just in a month. it is looking like it is definitely a bubble bursting, and unlikely to happen on this scale, again. while we are looking a really close eye on, as i'm sure you will too. thank you so much. just update you on a story we told you about earlier. the news that 452 jobs will be lost at carillion. the firm spanning a polarity of roles in different public and private contracts different part of the country. the overseeing body of the liquidation says that it has managed to protect 100 jobs. much more on this, you can go to the bbc life page. you can see it that, a further 452 jobs to go at carillion, of course. that is on the back of those that were announced at the end of last week, as well. let me bring you up to some of the others, because the billionaire to the samsung empire. he has been charged with corruption. last year, he was sentenced to five years in prison, for corruption. elsewhere, after 40 homebase stores could be closed by its australian owner, bidding up to 2000 jobs at risk. it was bought in 2016, and has been rebranded under the owner's name. after a disappointing performance, it has put it under review, and it is thought that between 20 and 40 of its stores up performing so badly that they could be closed altogether. i speak boss of the wholesaler booker could become the boss of this firm, tesco. charles wilson, who is currently a booker will take the top job at tesco. that will take the top job at tesco. that will leave the head of tesco... quick look at the numbers on the board for you, there. bit of profit—taking in the us. expectation that there could be another rise... that's not what is expected. lloyds down three quarters of 1%. the bbc has been told that thousands of people desperate to get out of their time—share contracts are currently unable to because it is far too complex and costly. time—shares were very popular in the 1980s and 1990s. investors were told their time—shares would increase in value and be easy to get out of, whenever they wanted. but for many this didn't happen — and they've been left with increasing maintenance charges on a property they can't get rid off. time—share groups say the industry provides millions of people with quality holidays every year. anna collinson reports. it's the 1980s and hundreds of thousands of people are signing contracts which promise cheap sun and convenient getaways, normally in spain. # if you were born in the ‘80s, the ‘80s...# many of those people are now retired or close to it, and they can no longer afford or use their time—share. so what happens then? wendy barker met her partner, anne jackson blanchard in 1995. she was quite punctilious but quite jolly with it. the couple decided to get a time—share. so this is a photograph of the lodge, taken from one angle. what it was was an escape for me, really, because i worked within the prison service, it was freedom, if you like, from being shut in them walls. but as the years passed, the couple separated, wendy retired and anne's health deteriorated. they could no longer use their time—share but every year by paying around £900 to cover its maintenance fees. so then i tried to sell it, i tried to give it away, it was just, nobody wanted it because the maintenance fees were going up and up and up. we were also told, if there comes a time where you don't want it and you decide that's it, we'll buy it back from you. it never happened. some companies allow time—share owners to terminate agreements on request. others only allow it if a person is sick, elderly or bankrupt, but anne was told she wasn't sick enough. in october, she died. anne spent nearly the last ten years of her life worrying about this time—share. yeah. do you think that impacted on her health? it didn't help, it certainly didn't help her. she couldn't help how she was and time bet her. yeah... not nice. industry bodies believe up to 600,000 people own time—shares in the uk. trading standards say if a person wants to exit a time—share, they should contact their company directly and, in most cases, they will let a consumer leave. if they don't, or there's a possibility of mis—selling, you can get legal advice. it's got a bad reputation, time—share. so the time—share companies, is in their interests to keep them in their time—share, so it's very difficult to actually get released from them. the resort development organisation says it's invested significant amounts of money into investigating unethical time—share companies. there will be some people who say that you signed a contract and you may not like it but you've got to stick to it. what would you say to that? yes, and foolishly i suppose i did, and i didn't look deep enough into it. every door is just shutting on me. i can't go anywhere, you know? i can't get free of this thing and it's like a disease hanging over you. the headlines are coming up on the bbc news channel. in a moment we say goodbye to viewers on bbc two — first we leave you with for a look at the weather. lucy martin is on the other side of that newsroom with the forecast for us. and lucy, it will be called, tell us more? yes, it will be cold. we have seen some of those wintry showers, already, this morning. this photo said in earlier by a weather watcher in east sussex. also, some snow here, in kent. but, some have seen some brightness, this morning. this photo came earlier by a weather watcher in lincolnshire. so, mixed fortu nes watcher in lincolnshire. so, mixed fortunes today, but it is certainly feeling called across the board. as we look through the afternoon, some good buzz of sunshine, but still a battering of showers in eastern areas. north—easterly breeze in the south, taking an edge of the temperatures which are not feeling very warm at all. macros of around six, seven, degrees celsius. start to see the wind is picking up in the north—west, head of this band of rain, sleet and snow. that will start to make its way south east, bringing some snow for parts of northern england into wales. ahead of it, though, we will stay mostly dry. with some patches of fog and frost, . .. dry. with some patches of fog and frost,... behind it starting to see some fairly heavy wintry showers, but it will be a cold night across the board. that takes us into tomorrow, some of us waking up to some snow on the ground. that could be some patchy ice in the north and west. that band of snow can edge eastwards, dying at as it does so. behind it, some brightness again, and some fairly heavy wintry showers. again, temperatures not particularly warm, max of around four degrees celsius. it will largely have cleared out the south—east coast by the time we get to wednesday morning. the next weather front though, waiting to wednesday morning. the next weatherfront though, waiting in to wednesday morning. the next weather front though, waiting in the wings, a lot of dry weather to begin with, but the card will start to increase. some rain and snow moving in, and another called dave. as we move through to the later part of the week, still some rain at times, and some showers, the temperatures though, fairly cold. staying in the low single figures. it is feeling called as we move through the next few days. widespread frost adam stone at times. —— and some snow at times. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at midday: a british man accused of hacking into american government computers has won his high court appeal against extradition to the united states. this decision obviously affects my life, but the reason i've gone through this ordeal is notjust to save myself from being kidnapped and locked up for 99 years in a country i've never visited but to set a precedent whereby this will not happen to other people in the future. the eu's chief negotiator heads to downing street as it rules out the uk staying in any kind of european customs union: we have not a minute to lose, because we want to achieve a deal. the only surviving suspect from the paris attacks goes on trial over the gunfight that saw him arrested. thousands of people can't get out of their timeshare contracts also, the largest all—female group to ski coast—to—coast across antarctica. the ice maidens team took just 62 days to complete their thousand—mile expedition. thousands of people can't get out of their timeshare contracts because they're too complex and too costly. good afternoon. it's monday, 5th february. i'm annita mcveigh. welcome to bbc newsroom live. in the last hour, a british man accused of hacking into american government computers has won his high court appeal against extradition to the united states. lauri love could have faced up to 99 yea rs lauri love could have faced up to 99 years in prison if found guilty at a trial in america. his lawyers argued that the 32—year—old, who has asked berger —— asperger‘s cintron... berger -- asperger's cintron. .. i'm not sure i would have made it this far without support. thank you for your interest. there are other people coming in. freedom! we will have a press conference where i can speak more, but right now, we're thankfulfor speak more, but right now, we're thankful for everyone's help and support but we must clear out of the way. lauri! lauri! also, iwould just like to say, in parting, that this decision obviously affects my life, but the reason i've gone through this ordeal is notjust to save myself from being kidnapped and locked up in a country i have never visited, but it is the set a precedent whereby this will not happen to other people in the future if there is suspected criminality, thenit if there is suspected criminality, then it will be tried in the uk and then it will be tried in the uk and the us will not try to exercise exorbitant jurisdiction. the us will not try to exercise exorbitantjurisdiction. other people should be able to rely on this body to ensure they are treated more humanely by the justice system. i think we need to clear the way now. thanks. let's speak to our correspondent, charlotte gallagher. lauri love, thanking the supporters without whom he said he might not have made it this far. essentially, his ability to cope was the central pa rt his ability to cope was the central part of the case, wasn't it? yes, fears were raised for lauri love if he had been extradited to the us, where he could have faced 99 years in an american prison. he has asperger's and also suffers from depression and has severe eczema. his said he his harm aid he which, as we hired, has today... when the judges announced this verdict, people started screaming and cheering, to which the judge said, hang on a second, this isn't a theatre or a cinema, it is a court, and you must respect that. when they came out, everyone was screaming, playing music and singing as they walked down the street. obviously, a huge amount of relief from lauri love and his family and friends. charlotte, thank you very much for that. the latest from the high court on the lauri love case. the eu's chief negotiator, michel barnier, will be in downing street this morning for talks about a transition period after britain leaves the eu. he'll meet the brexit secretary david davis in the first of a series of discussions this week. it comes after the government indicated it remains determined to leave the european customs union when brexit takes place next year. that's being seen as an attempt to defuse a growing row within the conservative party. mps who back brexit say membership of any customs union would restrict british business's ability to trade freely. adam fleming is in brussels for us. you caught a brief word with michel barnier earlier, and he would not be drawn on this breaking news this morning that the uk is determined to leave the customs union. i've just had a message from one diplomat from an eu member state saying this is quite clearly an internal conservative party thing that is going on here. that is basically the eu view is an they know that the uk is leaving the customs union because that's what the uk told them months ago, and that has been one of the eu's big working assumptions since the talks started last summer. michel barnier talks about that being one of the government red lines all the time, and that is probably why he did not want to a nswer probably why he did not want to answer questions on it and would not be drawn on it when we bumped into him at the train station as he was heading to london a couple of hours ago. i am very pleased to catch up with david davis, just ahead of the new round of negotiations which will begin tomorrow morning in brussels for the week. my feeling is, we have not a minute to lose, because we want to achieve a deal. once again, we have not a minute to lose. there is so much work, so we have decided for this reason to accelerate all the contacts, the useful contacts. i will be in london today, i will be tomorrow in strasbourg to meet the european parliament. i will be in frankfurt on wednesday to meet mario draghi and the team at the european central bank. and in parallel, iwill continue my tour of all the capitals of the 27, meeting goverments, meeting national parliaments, meeting the trade unions, the business communities. so, we want to reach a deal, respecting the guidelines of the european council, respecting the rules of the single market and the eu. once again, we have not a minute to lose. we have to respect the red lines of the british government, but they have to respect the rules of the union. lots of different red lines. i don't want to comment any more. thank you. so, michel barnier saying he wants to accelerate things, but interestingly, he then went to talk about the eu process, talking to the european parliament, central bank and other institutions, so i think he means the internal discussions in the eu as much as accelerating his face—to—face talks with the british was up in terms of that, this lunch he is having with david davis today is billed as a stocktaking catch up rather than a serious negotiating session. actual talks will take place on tuesday till thursday between officials from both sides here in brussels was not that will be civil servants sitting round a table going through documents. they are focusing on the legal text of the final brexit treaty now. and on friday, michel barnier‘s deputy and the prime minister's europe adviser, ollie robinson, one of the most famous civil servants in current times, they will sit down and have a discussion about the uk vision for the future relationship, really a basis for phase 2 of the talks. and then there will be a press conference on friday to get a sense of where michel barnier thinks things have got to. adam, thank you very much. let's cross now to our assistant political editor, norman smith. is the government ready to accelerate things, despite the statement about future customs arrangements this morning, given that their research division within the conservative party about that? they will have two accelerate things, because if they want to get this transitional deal agreed by march, we are already in february and they are right up against it. today's announcement by mrs may that she will not countenance notjust taking in the customs union but in any customs union is, i think, significant because it is a clear bone thrown to the brexiteers who had been on the warpath in recent days and weeks, is unhappy at what they suspect will be a sell—out over brexit. in particular, they have been edgy over whether we might remain in some sort of customs arrangements that in any way could curb britain's ability to strike those trade deals once we leave the eu, so they have welcomed the announcement. this was the reaction of one,... what i would say about the customs union is that if we were members of that, it would inhibit our ability to strike deals with other countries, which is one of the benefits brexit. we can have more flexibility, and we can extend those trade deals and relationships across the world. so, i don't think that the risks, as you say, of leaving the customs union outweigh the potential benefits. however, i have to say that both sides in the tory party take the view that this is a battle very far from over. former remainers point to some of the language the government has used, talking about a customs arrangement or a customs partnership, and suggest that could turn into something pretty similar toa turn into something pretty similar to a customs union. brexiteers are also fearful that could be what happens. and bear in mind, there are likely to be votes in parliament about whether we should keep open the option of remaining in a customs union. prominent labour remainers are pressingjeremy union. prominent labour remainers are pressing jeremy corbyn to get off the fence and to back moves to keep us in a customs union. this was labourmp keep us in a customs union. this was labour mp wears streeting. tory remainers are leading the charge, ken clarke, anna soubry and others have made it clear through amendments they have tabled the legislation that they want to keep britain ina legislation that they want to keep britain in a customs union. a number of labour mps have joined them. the question is whetherjeremy corbyn, john mcdonnell and the shadow cabinet will lead us to a position where we can defeat the government. call me old—fashioned, but i think it is in gently —— it is generally in the interest of the opposition to beat the government in votes. party politics aside, this is about the national interest, and the labour party has a particular responsibility. we are meant to be the party of work, protecting jobs and livelihoods, and if we want a job site in first brexit, we have to remain in the single market and a customs union. my sense is that we are still in the land of the gato — there have your cake and eat it. theresa may once the freedom to negotiate trade deals once we leave the eu, and equally, it is clear that they do not want any sort of trade border. whether eu negotiators are willing to concede that, that is are willing to concede that, that is a tough one. it will be interesting by the privately david davis floats that passed michel barnier when he arrives in the next hour or so to get some sort of sense whether he would cut britain some slack. up until now, they have been pretty clear that you cannot cherry pick, and that if you eat —— if we leave the customs union, then we leave it. norman, thank you very much. chris morris from the reality check tea m chris morris from the reality check team is here to explain where we are in the brexit negotiations. it feels like there are two broad sets of negotiations going on at the moment — one between the eu and the uk, and another within the british government, trying to reach agreement on what it wants the future relationship with the eu to look like. and the eu has emphasised on numerous occasions that until it has a clearer idea of the uk position, negotiations on the future can't really begin. so, what's happening at the moment? well, to start with, there is still a lot of work to be done on the outstanding issues from phase one of the talks. we discussed them a lot last year: irish border, money, citizens' rights the future status of the irish border, a financial settlement or divorce bill, and the future rights of eu citizens here and uk citizens elsewhere in europe. and when it comes to the irish border — the issues of customs arrangements, which we've heard so much about today — looms large. how can you have an invisible border there without some kind of customs union? the challenge is to resolve all of these issues in the next few months and turn them into a legal text — a withdrawal agreement that would have to be ratified and signed before the uk leaves the eu in march 2019. at the same time, negotiations are about to begin on a transition period after brexit for up to two years. those arrangements mean the uk would have to follow all eu rules and regulations, without having any say in making them. but they would give businesses and governments more time to plan for the future. but what will the future actually look like? negotiations on that haven't even begun yet, and the other 27 eu countries are still considering theirjoint position while they wait for more clarity from london. trade is the obvious issue — will the uk remain closely aligned with eu rules and regulations? will it try to forge its own path, or — as seems likely — will it try to negotiate a mixture of the two? the eu is already warning against ‘cherry—picking' the best bits. there are also a host of other issues on which we cooperate closely with the eu — security and policing, for example, and foreign policy. new relationships need to be negotiated there too. so ‘plenty to do‘ is putting it mildly — no wonder that the eu negotiator michel barnier said today there isn‘t a minute to lose. but unravelling a relationship that has developed over more than 40 years was never going to be easy. chris, thank you very much. chris morris. newsjust coming in in the lush or while that a white supremacist has been convicted of a terror offence after he plotted to carry out a machete attack on a gay pride event at a pub. after police detained ethan stables in barrow in cumbria after he posted a message on facebook that he was planning to go to warand facebook that he was planning to go to war and that he planned to slaughter gay people in the pub. during the trial, heath... he claimed he was a fantasist and was himself bisexual. a new ring—fenced tax to fund the nhs and social care in england has been proposed by a panel of health experts. the panel, commissioned by the liberal democrats has also recommended a return of caps on personal payments for adult social care. here‘s our health editor, hugh pym. thousands of demonstrators marched through london at the weekend calling for increased funding for the nhs. health unions joined other campaigners, arguing there was a winter crisis which needed urgent action and investment. today, a report from health experts, including the former head of nhs england, has called for new answers to nhs funding problems. the report commissioned by the liberal democrats calls for an extra £4 billion on top of inflation for the nhs in england in the next financial year, more than double the increase announced in the budget. a single, ring—fenced tax for health and social care replacing national insurance. and reinstating a commitment to cap the costs paid by individuals for social care. the report argues that higher funding needed for health and care should come through increased taxation, and that this will be more transparent if there is a dedicated tax for this purpose. longer waiting lists and rationing for some treatments, it says, are undermining the key principles of the nhs. in response, the department of health and social care said the nhs had been prioritised in the budget, and an extra ? £2 billion had already been provided for social care in england. hugh pym, bbc news. the headlines: a british man accused of hacking into american government computers as won his high court appeal against extradition to the united states when he could have faced 99 years in prison. a downing street source has said that the uk will not be a member of a customs union with the eu after brexit. and the only surviving suspect that the attacks that killed 100 people in paris in november 2015 has gone on trial in belgium over the gunfight there that saw him arrested. super bowl and the rest of the sport now with sarah. the philadelphia eagles are waking up as first—time super bowl champions this monday, at the third time of asking. the franchise was finally victorious overnight in minnesota. they beat the defending champions, the new england patriots, 44—33. and they won in thrilling style. this is the touchdown they are saying will be shown 1 touchdown they are saying will be shown1 billion times. nick touchdown they are saying will be shown 1 billion times. nick foals, who led magnetics and leon the night, got the touchdown. he only came into the side towards the end of the regular season. he was an injury replacement. that is what life is about right there. we are super bowl champions, but time does stop when you look in your daughter‘s eyes and you get to celebrate this moment. i get to look on my wife‘s eyes and celebrate this with her. my wife has been there through everything, my family, to be in this moment and celebrate this moment, that is what it is about. you know, i‘m just grateful. being a professional sports person isa being a professional sports person is a career that most can only dream of, but when it is over, it can be difficult to adjust to a so—called normal life. a survey by the professional players federation has found that more than half of the 800 former sports people who responded said they had problems with their mental or physical health following retirement. dame kelly holmes won two olympic gold medals in 2004 by four is retiring from athletics the following year. when i came back from the olympics, winning two gold medals, the only british person to do it, lots of doors opened to me, but what was strange around that was that it came to an end and i didn‘t know what i was coming through any more. since the age of 14, i wanted to be in the army as a physical training instructor, and i got that when i was 21. to be olympic champion, aged 34, i had achieved it. suddenly, i had no idea who i wasn‘t what i wanted to be. it. suddenly, i had no idea who i wasn't what i wanted to be. much more on the on that. england have announced a 13 strong diving squad for the commonwealth games in australia in april. two divers won britain‘s first olympic diving gold in rio. they will be pa rt diving gold in rio. they will be part of the team that includes tom daley. that‘s all for now. more in the next hour. let‘s look at some of today‘s other developing stories: the sole surviving suspect behind the paris terror attacks in 2015 has gone on trial in belgium today. salah abdeslam faces charges relating to a shootout he had with police while on the run in belgium in 2016. he faces a second trial relating to his involvement in the paris attacks at a later date. our correspondent said that although salah abdeslam had refused to answer questions, he spoke in court. he said he was tired and wanted to remain seated. he was driven from a high security prison in the early hours of this morning with a huge police convoy, up to 200 officers, including special forces, to secure this building and the transport route for the prisoner who was once described as europe‘s most wanted man after the terrorist attacks in november 2015 after which he was on the run forfour months. he november 2015 after which he was on the run for four months. he said november 2015 after which he was on the run forfour months. he said he will use is right to remain silent and said it is not to signify he believes he is guilty. he wants to see that the evidence is forensic and scientific. he essentially said he didn‘t believe in the system but he didn‘t believe in the system but he said he is not afraid of you or your allies. talking not to the court but to the wider press and those listening. why this case is interesting, this is not related to the paris attacks directly, he is said to be the sole surviving suspect. his image was picked up on cctv hours after the attacks at a service station close to the belgian border. four months later in a brussels suburb, as police were trying to approach a hideout where there were trying to arrest them, they came under heavy arms fire, kalashnikov fire, sustain for several hours. three officers injured. salah abdeslam was seen to have fled over rooftops with another accomplice, also in court today. at that together, they were found in a suburb of brussels close to salah abdeslam‘s family home, and four days after that came the brussels attacks. it is said to be a wider group, and investigators had hoped today that they could get to know more about the paris attacks. given that he has remained silent in prison, in isolation, so far, he is remaining silent in court, too. we are going to take you to central london, where the legal team for lauri love are about to speak. lauri love, the team working for him successfully arguing at the high court today that he can‘t be extradited to america, where he is accused of stealing information from the fbi, the us army, the federal reserve and others. let‘s listen. absolutely delighted for lauri and his family from what appears to be a pretty comprehensive victory. i am thrilled that the lord chiefjustice affirmed that when the british public spoke decisively that gary mckinnon should not be extradited, that opinion should hold, and we do not extradite our people to the united states when we can look after them properly at home. and i am thrilled to see so many of lauri ‘s supporters here, who campaigned for a trial at home. it made a massive difference. i know it gave lauri and sylvia a lot of confidence. it shows just how unfair and unreasonable it has been that lauri has been in this position at all forfour has been that lauri has been in this position at all for four long years. and i hope that he and his family will now finally be able to have some peace of mind and experience what that‘s like for the first time in many years. i have had the great privilege of organising lauri ‘s campaign and liaising with many otherfamiliar campaign and liaising with many other familiar faces campaign and liaising with many otherfamiliarfaces i campaign and liaising with many other familiar faces i see around this room. the courage foundation looks after truth tellers and activist who find themselves in legal jeopardy, activist who find themselves in legaljeopardy, and activist who find themselves in legal jeopardy, and we activist who find themselves in legaljeopardy, and we will continue to support lauri and his family until they have no further need of our services. naomi touched on the issue of gary mckinnon, which set the precedent for the case today. on that basis, i will pass over to kevin cambridge, our specialist. just to echo what he said, we are thrilled with the result. this case is important for us, because first of all, it is the first time that any firm has won on the forum bar, which was introduced on the back of the gary mckinnon case, so it is a landmark case for that reason. it is very unusual to win an extradition request from the us, so we are delighted the court has been sympathetic to our argument in this case and understood that the medical conditions which lauri would have faced in the us simply weren't a cce pta ble faced in the us simply weren't acceptable and would have led to a serious deterioration in his health was stop and he possibly might not have been able to face trial, so it wasn't really in any one's interest for extradition to take place. we are grateful that the court has sympathised with those arguments, and we have to see how things go forward now in the future. i will hand back to naomi. thank you. i would like to introduce barry shearman, who has been coordinating support for lauri in parliament. we are all extremely grateful to him. support for lauri in parliament. we are all extremely grateful to himlj don't often cry in parliament, but someone said, why are you crying? this has been a long campaign. i can't stress how we've all become such great friends with the family. the stress on this family has been incredible, and they have stood up to it, campaigned for stop and we have watched them, partly on the sidelines but partly raising the debate, raising questions. it has been such an emotional roller—coaster. one moment, you woke up, like all of us, with a cloud over our heads, and now that has gone. apart from having to teach people that he is lauri, and not lori... we wrote to president obama, raised it in questions. we hope we have given you some support, because you have been inspirational. i chaired the autism commission, and this isn't the only battle that people on the autism spectrum face, but we will have more battles. but this will stand. it will stand as an exemplar that if you stand up for what you believe in, doesn't matter what you believe in, doesn't matter what spectrum you are on, you win. thank you, thank you. it was a pleasure to be part of this campaign. applause we should say that we‘ve actually had barry helping us coordinate two group letter from mps had barry helping us coordinate two group letterfrom mps in support had barry helping us coordinate two group letter from mps in support of lauri a massive campaign and we are enormously grateful to barry and his office, and all the other mps who have supported lauri, including his local mp, matt hancock, who stuck his neck out. and emily s well. i will hand over. is obviously, this isa will hand over. is obviously, this is a victory forjustice, and it's a great help to us as a family, because my son, at times, i could see him farenough, because my son, at times, i could see him far enough, but not as far as america. and i want to keep him here so i can keep an eye on him. the other person who should be happy todayis the other person who should be happy today is our prime minister. basically, the compassion she showed over gary mckinnon, which was enshrined in law, has actually come to fruition. we have actually got a situation where we have made a law thatis situation where we have made a law that is fit for purpose. the other thing is, one day we were in parliament in one of the chambers, and there were all these mps parliament in one of the chambers, and there were all these mp5 from different parties, and i realised something really important, that at the core of nation, there is a consensus of agreement about the things that really matter, about decency, justice, fairness. i have always believed to be born in these islands is to win the lottery of life, and that what makes britain great is great britain. the fact it is a great place to live, and i really celebrate this. i thank the lord chiefjustice, who has exercised wisdom and compassion. that's all i've got to say. thank you. applause lets have larry‘s mum. lets have larry's mum. ijust want to reiterate what we said before. we are extremely relieved from the news that has come today, and sometimes, for those who have been supporting us,... but also, the hundreds of thousands of people who we don‘t know who wrote to their mps, spoke... we arejust know who wrote to their mps, spoke... we are just thankful. we arejust glad that spoke... we are just thankful. we are just glad that he stays here. applause and now, ithink applause and now, i think it is sylvia‘s turn if you‘d like to say something as mac we are just really relieved, really. the judge has made the right decision. and it hasn't really sunk in yet! laughter pinch yourself, we‘re deftly not streaming. yes. we arejust pinch yourself, we‘re deftly not streaming. yes. we are just glad that no one else has got to go through this, because it was really, really horrible, and i don't think lauri would have managed for much longer, really. we are very grateful to the judges. longer, really. we are very grateful to thejudges. lauri i think longer, really. we are very grateful to the judges. lauri i think that the floor is yours. the low there is very little to say now. i would like to access my deep gratitude for everybody in this room. yellow —— everybody in this room. yellow —— everybody has not in this room. the press is fundamentally important that you have the interest of the press when there is a chance of injustice, because it is much easier to get away with doing things the wrong way when the right people looking. so, your role is fundamental. i also have to give back to my legal representation have been fantastic and supportive of me, and i‘m not the easiest person to represent, because i have a tendency to have my own and ideas and not necessarily as good as other people‘s. they‘ve been fantastic. ben‘s hiding, and yourselfjames. i have got to give enormous thanks to... and to all of the other mps who came together and put aside partisan and bickering, and realised that as my father said, we do have consensus on fundamental values, and one of those values is compassion and understanding, and accommodation. there are many ways to bea accommodation. there are many ways to be a human. not all of the pegs are round, and southern seattle to figure out a square hole, or any —— sometimes you have two figure out a square hole. we have got to have ably productive conversation on how different types of mental make up can be better accommodated. autism is very important to understand better, and i am frightfulfor the work that barry does with his collea g u es work that barry does with his colleagues in parliament, outside parliament, in charities, and concerned individuals, so that we can better accommodate people. there are many ways to be a human, and we don‘t have too forced everyone to be exactly the same. this is fundamentally important. as i have also mentioned, —— as was offered —— also mentioned, —— as was offered —— also mention, i am greatly relieved that i am no longer physically perfect being locked up for the rest of my life in a carjack never visited. but, iam of my life in a carjack never visited. but, i am also vital for the president that has been set, hopefully by this case, so that other people do not have to go through this ordeal. i am not an especially strong person, and i am a stubborn person, but without the support of all of these people, i would not have made it this far. i can say that with absolute certainty. the reason that this makes me so thankful, is that there are people who would not be as fortu nate are people who would not be as fortunate as me, to have the correct alignment of fortune to have such support. so, if there is precedent avoid someone less fortunate from having to go through the same ideal, then i believe it would make it worthwhile, at least for me. i am will grigg —— still deeply regretful of the stress that my family have been through. it is going to be nice for them to breed a little bit more easily, focus on the good work that they do,... for myself, personally, this legal struggle has kind of the defined my life fully last four yea rs, defined my life fully last four years, and it is good that it has come to a satisfactory and just conclusion. which again expresses these valleys of compassion and care. but, i have other things that i would like to do. i am struggling electrical engineering at the university of suffolk. i do information security consulting. i do happen to have a set of skills which... and a natural disposition which... and a natural disposition which makes it somewhat easier for me to understand things like computer security, and i am very interested in putting that to used to make a more secure society. the internet is the greatest invention that humankind has invented, and how it is used will define what we are asa it is used will define what we are as a species the centuries —— for centuries to come. i am a devoted a lot of time in making sure that it is not used as an instrument of control, but as a franchise, to give opportunities and to share the great knowledge that we possess as humankind. that is what i am going to focus on. i would like to... beyond excess ingratitude, i would also like to express forgiveness for the people that were involved in the prosecution side. whilst they effectively work tended to ruin my life, they have facilitated creating this president. so, without this ordeal, we could not have come to a haee has - fantastic. thanks

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