Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171225

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about intimate health issues. hello and welcome to our programme. we will bring you some exclusive interviews that we have wrought cast over the last year. in april we revealed that 800 women were suing the nhs and the manufacturers of mesh implants that had left them in permanent pain, sometimes unable to have sex or walk. following that story, the organisation that sets the guidelines for doctors in england have now announced that want to ban mesh treatments in some cases. in april, this programme exposed a painful secret. thousands of women were keeping to themselves. every time i walk, it feels like something sharp is inside me. the tape had come through myjoiner, so it was actually all the way through and protruding through. my husband is so much less of my husband. we cannot have sex. we haven't had sex for 4.5 years. they thought they we re for 4.5 years. they thought they were alone, so suffered in silence for years, and aware there were many more like them. over the last five yea rs, more like them. over the last five years, i counted i have had over 53 admissions because of agonising pain. i phoned my husband and i said, ican't pain. i phoned my husband and i said, i can't live any more, i can't go through this. i actually do think it is in my head. i didn't know where else to turn. this is a joiner will mesh. it is used when women have a product or bladder incontinence normally brought on by childbirth and it is often made from polypropylene, the childbirth and it is often made from p°lypr0pylene, the same childbirth and it is often made from polypropylene, the same material used to make this kind of drinks bottle. over the past 20 years, more than 100,000 women across the uk have had joiner will mesh implants. some doctors now believe a minimum of one in ten patients experience problems. just a number. somebody's mum, somebody‘s sister and all these people are impacted. can i ask, did you have been suicidal thoughts? people are impacted. can i ask, did you have been suicidalthoughts? you did? yes. i planned it. i mapped it out. with us this morning, a dozen oi’ out. with us this morning, a dozen 01’ so... out. with us this morning, a dozen or so... earlier this out. with us this morning, a dozen orso... earlierthis morning —— visio, we revealed hundreds of women taking legal action against the nhs. would you support calls for the mesh to be banned? yes. definitely. the simple procedure could end up costing tens of billions of pounds in compensation. over the last seven months, many, many women have told us months, many, many women have told us their stories. i just wonder how many people are going to get crippled before anyone listens to us, what we go through on a daily basis is a nightmare. but convocations with mesh can arise in other places as well. —— complications. oh, my god. no wonder it inches. it is really thick. just like nylon. it is... injuly, we revealed nhs mesh repairs were leaving many patients in chronic pain. it is this i had been stabbed with something hot, i don't want to eat, i don't want to venture out too far. we even arranged for two hernia mesh patients to meet up. take a seat. i have had an operation i didn't need and six years worth of investigation. some gynaecologists claimed a ban on the mesh implants would risk depriving women of the option treatment which will in cost —— incontinence has been effect do. a growing number of doctors believe the risk is too great and in scotland, the use of mesh has been suspended. labour have called for joiner will mesh repairs to be banned on for a public enquiry will stop they received cross—party support. let's say it is as little as one in ten in whom this is going wrong if that were a medicine, it wouldn't be on the market. now this programme can exclusively reveal the national institute for health and clinical excellence has effect if we recommended a ban on vagina will mesh repairs for products. they say the procedure should only be used for research. the health watchdog was initially going to publish its updated guidance in 2019, but as the spotlight intensified, it was brought forward to december and they say they will not comment until then. campaigners are calling this latest development a backdoor ban and historic moment, but also say the fight is far from over. they wa nt the fight is far from over. they want a temporary suspension of all pelvic mesh repairs while an audit is carried out to find out the true scale of the women affected. they also want them to provide advice on other types of mesh repairs like hernias. the idea for that story came to us from hernias. the idea for that story came to us from one hernias. the idea for that story came to us from one of our viewers who herself was in chronic pain. if you have a story you think we should be covering, it get in touch. you can e—mail us. this, following the colla pse can e—mail us. this, following the collapse of the charity kids company. back in 2015. its founder seemed to disappear from public life. but in october of this year, she was back. two years on, her anger and defiance that she had anything to do with the charity folding was very evident. have a look. there wasn't financial mismanagement of kids company. let's be very clear about that. when kids company closed in august 2015, we had a year's money ahead, three months reserves. what shot the doors of kids company was false sexual abuse allegations being taken to newsnight, broadcast and then the police subsequently found that no crime had been committed, we were cleared, but by then, it was too late because the funders who had alleged the money withdrew their grants and because of that... withdrew their grants and because of that. . . they withdrew their grants and because of that... they had to close it. you couldn't pay your staff. you were in financial trouble. no, we couldn't pay our staff... it is very important than we have this conversation that you ask me questions, because there are so many inaccurate pieces of information... you couldn't pay your staff. we reason we couldn't pay our staff... that is true. no, we couldn't pay our self—employed staff cause our payroll staff were paid completely to the last month that they worked with us. the reason we couldn't pay the self—employed staff is because the self—employed staff is because the cabinet office created a rumour that the 3 million grant they gave us that the 3 million grant they gave us wasn't the salaries 4; iii/l hz; 5922; g... ;;z;;,. consequently... 2.1 million spent. consequently... 2.1 million of that grant was left in the bank account when we could have paid the self—employed, and that's the point. you had to get an emergency grant from the government. well, you describe it as an emergency grant. the truth is that they were significant discussions taking place behind the scenes with the cabinet office about the fact that the funding they were giving us was insufficient. the problem is that in this short television interview, i cannot give you the full detail, but what i can tell you is that there was a systematic dismantling of kids company by a kind of political driven malicious campaign. why would that be, when this was a government who had given new £47 million in grants? it was government is not cohesive. you think all of government works together.m doesn't. 0k, politically motivated dismantling you say. so some kind of conspiracy to shut you down? who would... who was involved in that? there were some civil servants and some politicians and the difficulty i have is i don't know exactly who... who do you think? we know this has happened. who do you think? i don't know and i'm not going to get into a guessing game. can you understand that it does sound... slightly absurd to say on the one hand the government is giving you 47 million. that is a lot of money. on the other hand, there is an unnamed civil servant or two trying to somehow, civil servant, dismantle you. well, look, you think you live ina you. well, look, you think you live in a democracy, but actually, it's not that straightforward. you're not going to apologise to the children that were let down by the closure of kids company. don't put me in that position, that tory. don't frame it in that way, because that is not right. children were let down by the closure of kids company. would you like to apologise? in my book, i have clearly stated that the one thing i experienced is extreme sorrow thing i experienced is extreme sorrow at the fact that the children suffered in this way. would you like to ta ke suffered in this way. would you like to take some responsibility for that? we were not responsible for the closure of this company. not at all? no, and i'm absolutely clear about that. the only way we'll get the truth here is if there is some kind ofan the truth here is if there is some kind of an enquiry, i don't want us to spend the money on it, but some kind of" —— enquirer that is independent of the government. next question. would you like to apologise to the taxpayers and the people who donated from the goodness of their heart money that you wasted? i don't think we waste of money. why are you assuring that we wasted money? where did that come from? well, a pair of shoes for £305. that, i don't know what the story of that is. potentially a waste. anyone spending £305 on shoes isa waste. anyone spending £305 on shoes is a waste. if that has taken place, andi is a waste. if that has taken place, and i don't know what the real story of that is, i would have to find out about that, and that is something that i would not... let me ask you... people gave us money, be very careful about this again. we actually fund raised to buy the children clothes so they were restricted funds to buy children clothes. people give you money when you fund raise, from the goodness of their heart. don't expect it to be spent on designer shoes. someone described it as a child of an iranian diplomat including funding their ph.d. studies. again, that isn't how the story is and i don't think you should frame it in this way. this is all from an audited report. what report? where is this audited report? an adult client paid... you havejust audited report? an adult client paid... you have just made an allegation and i think you haven't identified the source of the report for me, i don't know where you're getting your figures from, we housed families, i don't know which family you are describing, but you are not asking me the questions that really matter, which is why was kids company matter, which is why was kids co m pa ny left matter, which is why was kids company left with some 17,000 children who were statutory responsibility with no—one willing to pay for it. why were we getting that type of child through our doors? those are the sorts of questions you should be asking me. the life —— those are the questions you should want me to ask. we took two celebrity with opposing views out on a blind date to put serious political debate in an everyday setting. this is showed that an increasingly polarised world where debate is often black and white, there can be consensus amongst people on opposite sides of the spectrum. wish i had the silverware, polished glasses and invited them to lunch. an election blind date. could you go to bed with remain? could you go to bed with remain? could you go to bed with remain? could you make them see the light? i will not answer that. i will turn answer that! are you only attracted to brexiters? that's a good question. he has no words. you must ask if the story about you meeting someone on a plane ask if the story about you meeting someone on a plane is true. is it true? this is a ridiculous setup. you were snogging a model. i hope someone you were snogging a model. i hope someone has a video. what was she doing in business class? that is a very good question. would question. were you stitched up? what that episode shows is you cannot trust anybody, you cannot talk to anybody,. that is awful. i don't think you can trust random people. there i was, sitting at the bar, having dinner in the one cystectomy and start talking. what do you do? what you need, nigel, isjust a nice, steady brexiteer girlfriend. it is then you don't have to have a conversation with her all the time you have had with me. just saying i don't understand why you feel so strongly over dinner to her, when you should be exchanging sweet nothings. and you know you are both on the same page, you both want out, you both think the european project is disgusting. i still don't get why you feel so strongly about this.|j grew you feel so strongly about this.” grew up in brussels, i have worked in brussels. fine. iwould like what we had, nigel, and i don't want to lose it. cameron i think probably did as much to lose the referendum as anyone else. the deal was rubbish. the deal wasn't good enough. so cameron i hold almost entirely responsible for this, more than you. do you? that's disappointing. and then, when we went over the waterfall in a bucket he left downing street with a song in his heart. he had to. he had to go. i used to play golf. the other big hobby that i got which used to be considered really geeky, really geeky... metal detecting. can i guess? carriage driving. no. is its 40? it is historical. grass rubbing -- is it 40? it is historical. grass rubbing —— is it sporty. and my close? 40? it is historical. grass rubbing -- is it sporty. and my close? not really. i am a first world war nut. 0h really. i am a first world war nut. oh yes. lennon an absolute nut. nigel, what should i do with the rest of my life? what do you want to do? i don't know. ithinki am swimming against the tide at the moment. well, you will lose that one, but that's ok. what do you want to do? ijust wondered if i made a terrible mistake, as well.” to do? ijust wondered if i made a terrible mistake, as well. i think you did pretty well, actually. so it doesn't matter that i'm the butt of ridicule from half the cabinet for joining the lib dems. back to politics? i was asking nigel what should do with the rest my life, and have eyed dropped a massive (bleep) have eyed dropped a massive (bleep) have at bay made a mistake? how would you sum up your political first date? like... it is really interesting, because rachel is seen in this country as being this sort of hardline remainer, but when you talk to her about the european union, in france she would be a hardline eurosceptic.” union, in france she would be a hardline eurosceptic. i think that is right. there are few of us that, even hardline... is right. there are few of us that, even hardline. .. had is right. there are few of us that, even hardline... had she been from anywhere else i would completely understand why she sacrificed her reputation tojoin understand why she sacrificed her reputation to join the liberal democrats. do you think you have sacrificed a reputation?” democrats. do you think you have sacrificed a reputation? i seriously felt we were entering a 1—party state on an issue that i believe to be wrong in every particular. i felt that i couldn't actually live with myself unless i had made a futile gesture, and stand up and be counted. if only to be shot down. and how would you sum up your political first date with nigel farage? well, like nigel farage, incredibly entertaining and infuriating. and wrong. and wrong. you can watch the full—blown date between nigel farage and rachel johnson and others, including mary beard and peter stringfellow, on our website. mental health is an issue website. mental health is an issue we talk a lot about on this programme, because we know it is important to you. mental health issues affect one in four of us. our correspondent wanted to share his story about how playing football had given him a reason to live after attempting to take his own life several times. in one of the most touching encounters of the year, he told us about the suicide of his own father. one morning on the ward the occupational therapist would be up and asked if i wanted to play football. and of course i said yes. ididn't football. and of course i said yes. i didn't really expect much at first, but i realised i had no... so i rang my mum and asked if she could get me some. within an hour she had gone out and bought me a pair. at the time i didn't realise that if my mum hadn't bought me those boots, things might have changed and i might have lost my life to mental illness. take your time. so every week, i attended training, and illness. take your time. so every week, iattended training, and it gave me hope for the future, that i could be someone my family and friends could be proud of. to me, it wasn't just football. it was friends could be proud of. to me, it wasn'tjust football. it was my life. it had given me stuff to build on. instead of destroying, i had become stronger in my war on my demons. every week i would put so much effort in that i couldn't walk a days afterwards. it changed meat into a better man and it made me wa nt to into a better man and it made me want to stay alive so my mum and brothers would have to bury me. instead, they could say to everyone that my son and brother plays for qpr. i have done some amazing things at qpr healthy kickers. my biggest achievement would be in my first three seasons at the club i was top goalscorer. every time i put on a kick to make it, i was in a schoolboy any more. i was james. i was free from my demons. u nfortu nately, was free from my demons. unfortunately, others aren't so lucky. in 2010! lost my father to suicide, on my sister's birthday. but i've taken the good from the bad, and i've met amazing people, travel to places to play football. i get to make people crowd. for a young boy you'd like me, losing my dad left me confused in this big world. i didn't have any sense of direction. i met my coaches, connor and nathan, and they helped me find my way. they stood in my corner. the support i had from them was amazing. ijust support i had from them was amazing. i just felt so thankful they became my role models. they showed me that iam my role models. they showed me that i am worth something. i am lucky enough to know them. we can never stop people getting mentally unwell, but we can help them recover with the use of football. it worked for me and many others that i have played four, against and played with. football saved my life. well done. that was magnificent. are you all right? do you think it is important to speak out? people are suffering in silence, because they don't have someone to look up to and say enough is enough. you have got to change. i... people who are mentally unwell are seen as this sort of outcast in society, and once we start breaking down the stigma, people will come out and say they have got problems. we will continue to keep in touch with james in the new year, and follow his progress on our programme. and if you need help and support, you can find a list of charities at the bbc action line. finally, in 2018 we will be looking forward to a royal birth. william and kate's child, plus the wedding of prince harry and meghan markle. it was a special anniversary in september which touch the hearts of so many, the 70th anniversary of the queen and prince philip. here is how we mark their enduring relationship. # when you are in love... # it's a loveliest night of the year. the king and queen announced the betrothal of their dearly beloved and daughter, the princess elizabeth, to lieutenant philip mountbatten. i am so happy that on this, my third visit, my future husband is by my side. into the dull november morning, two braise draw the carriage. inside, her royal highness elizabeth, and her father. thank you for watching. we are back live on a january. in the meantime you can watch our programmes on our website. hello there. the forecast through the christmas period is looking a little bit mixed. for some of us, it's going to be a decent day for sitting in front of the fire and eating lots of chocolates. for others, it is staying drier and brighter. this is christmas eve in leicestershire. beautiful scenes there. and, as we head through christmas day, things are looking quite mild, quite breezy, and there is some rain on the cards. not all of us are going to be seeing it. but there's a weather front on christmas day bringing some rain across northern ireland, northern england, southern scotland too. further south across england and wales, just a few spots of drizzle, but actually, many places dry if somewhat windy. we've got these strong south—westerly winds blowing. and that area of rain will work into western parts of wales and the south—west of england later on in the afternoon. but, before it gets there, central and eastern england seeing a good deal of dry, cloudy, mild weather. one or two light showers, but also some brighter spells breaking through that cloud, too. further north, more rain into the north—west of england, northern ireland, southern scotland too. and you'll notice the white colours, indicating perhaps a little bit of sleet or snow on top of the highest ground. turning colder, though, from the north of scotland, and that's a sign of things to come later on through the christmas break. christmas day evening, that band of rain gets going, strengthening. so heavy rain and really squally winds moving eastwards across all of the country, followed by clearer skies with a cold northerly breeze and some wintry showers. potentially a bit of sleet and snow over the higher ground of southern scotland, and the pennines too. could be some icy stretches around first thing boxing day. if you've got travel plans, do take note. and also some frost around, too. but then some sunshine developing quite widely during boxing day. still, some wintry sleet and snow showers across parts of scotland. and then more wet and windy weather works into the south—west of england later on in the afternoon. temperatures around 4—8 degrees, so feeling significantly cooler than it has done of late. into boxing day evening, this rain starts to push eastwards across southern parts of england, and wales too, bringing a spell of very heavy rain and also some strong winds. there's the potential as it meets that colder air, that we can see a bit of sleet and snow on the northern edge of this low pressure system. mainly it will be falling as rain as it works its way gradually eastwards. so wednesday we'll start off with that rain, and perhaps a bit of wintriness. that clears away from the south—east, and then many places having a largely dry day, sunny spells, one or two showers. cooler, though, with temperatures around 2—6 degrees. have a happy christmas. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. i'm gavin grey. our top stories: pope francis pleads for migrants 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