Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171207

Hours from Prime Minister theresa may . We will talk to the headteacher, a farmer and Health Campaigner who crossed the open border between north and south each to see how they feel about changes that could affect every aspect of their lives. Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until am this morning. We are going to hear resham khans story. Thats after 10am. She had acid thrown in herface by a stranger and suffered life changing injuries and has gone on to campaign for a change in the law on selling acid. Quite a remarkable woman. That is a photograph taken much more recently. Do watch the interview after 10am. She describes how she pities her attacker. Also today. We would like to hear from you about how long you have waited in the a e. New figures suggesting waiting times have doubled in the last few years. We will talk about that after 9 30am. Our top story today. Mahmoud abbas has called for an intifada. The us decision has been wildly criticised around the world, including by some of americas closest allies, like britain, france and saudi arabia. The Un Security Council will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow to debate the move. Laura bicker reports. Jerusalem, the city 6000 miles from the us, the subject of a Campaign Promise by donald trump to move the us embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and recognise the holy city as israels capital. Trumps team sent out a simple message, promise made, promise kept. Today we finally acknowledge the obvious, thatjerusalem is israels capital. This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do. Already the protests have begun, peaceful, for now, but the fear of unrest has prompted the pentagon to put american embassies and consulatess on alert. President trump spoke of the Peace Process but did not give details on how this announcement brought that goal any closer. We want an agreement that is a great dealfor the israelis, and a great deal for the palestinians. At least eight un countries have called for an emergency meeting but while the International Reaction is mostly one of condemnation, at home, President Trump can say he has ticked off another pledge and he does not seem concerned that on this decision america stands alone. 0ur correspondent told us how the decision was being received in the city itself. So far, things have remained calm on the streets of jerusalem. There were protests into the evening yesterday in gaza where people were burning american flags and pictures of donald trump. In the occupied west bank, there are demonstrations, rallies, planned for today. More broadly, in terms of the diplomatic reaction to Donald Trumps decision to recognise jerusalem as the capital of israel, there has been widespread condemnation, particularly from leaders in the arab and muslim world. The palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas called the decision reprehensible and he said this in effect disqualifies the us from its historic role as being a broker for peace. Between israelis and palestinians. The list has been growing as to the number of countries, leaders, who have expressed concern, criticism or outright condemnation of this decision by the white house. In terms of the israelis, the israeli Prime Minister, netanyahu, last night, he hailed this as a historic decision, he said it was recognition deserved of israelis to have jerusalem as their capital city. He said other countries should move there embassies from tel aviv to jerusalem, to follow the suit of the us. He was at pains to stress that he said there would be no change whatsoever in what is known as the status quo, the arrangement to administer the key sensitive holy sites in the old city ofjerusalem. Later on, we will hear from sites in the old city ofjerusalem. Later on, we will hearfrom our middle east editor, jeremy bowen. The rest of this mornings news. Good morning. The irish Prime Minister, leo varadkar, has said theresa may is expected to put forward a new offer on the issue of the irish border later today. A Draft Agreement between mrs may and the european union, which would have allowed the brexit negotiations to move on to trade, was blocked on monday by the democratic unionists. 19 tory mps who back a soft brexit have written to mrs may, saying it was highly irresponsible for anyone to dictate terms which may scupper a deal. The defence secretary, gavin williamson, has said no british citizen who has fought for the Islamic State group should be allowed back into the country. Mr williamson, who was promoted to his post last month, told the daily mail that the fighters should be hunted down and killed, because a dead terrorist couldnt cause any harm to britain. The number of patients waiting more than four hours in accident and Emergency Departments in the uk has more than doubled in the last four years. Research by the bbc has found over 3 Million People experienced longer waits than the a e target in the last 12 months. Here is our health correspondent, dominic hughes. Right across the uk, accident and Emergency Departments have been working at full capacity. Now bbc Analysis Shows how an already busy system is struggling to cope. The waiting time targets to treat or deal with 95 of patients within four hours have been missed across the country. In the past year, more than 3 million patients waited longer than four hours an increase of 120 on four years ago. But visits to a e are up by only 7 , to nearly 27 million. To ensure the target is met, the nhs will need to build an additional 20 more a e departments. There is no more capacity in the system. Staff are working really hard, our nurses, our doctors, and we have reached a point where we, unfortunately, cannot meet that demand. Scotland has come closest to hitting the target, while england has seen the biggest increase in those facing a long wait, but performance is even worse in wales. Northern ireland manages to see just three quarters of patients within four hours. A busier nhs means longer waiting times and as we head into what could be a very hard winter, there is little sign of respite for staff or patients. Dominic hughes, bbc news. The accounts of Bath Spa University show that its departing vice chancellor, professor christina slade, received more than £800,000 last year in pay and benefits. Ten days ago, the vice chancellor of Bath University announced she would step down in 2019 after complaints from students and staff about her pay. The university and College Union said the pay and pensions of some senior staff made them look greedy and out of touch. A fast moving wildfire in Southern California has hit the us states main costal highway and reached the Pacific Ocean according to firefighters tackling the blaze. The homes of more than 150,000 people have been evacuated in an area north of los angeles and hundreds of buildings have been damaged. Strong winds are expected to further hinder efforts to contain the fire which is still endangering some 12,000 properties. The Australian Parliament has passed a bill to legalise same sex marriage. The bill was passed after a long debate in which more than 100 mps spoke. The vote follows a referendum earlier this year, which showed a majority of people support the change. 0ur sydney correspondent said it marked the end of years of political wrangling. This really is a landmark moment in australian politics, the culmination really of more than a decade of debate and division. This has been probably the most divisive issue in australian politics for a long time, ever since in 2004 the Australian Government changed the law then to say that marriage could only be between a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others. That triggered a Long Campaign which has finally finished today with the change in law. We sawjubilation on the floor of the house of representatives, a rainbow flag unfurled, lots of cheering, the politicians applauding campaigners in the Public Gallery who applauded them back. Also a victory for australias Prime Minister, malcolm turnbull, who took something of a personal gamble by supporting this change. Certainly, people within his party have been resistant, not least his predecessor, tony abbott, who spoke several times today, trying to raise amendments and make changes to the bill. But ultimately, no changes were made and same sex marriage we expect will be legal in australia within the new year. Anyone who wants to get married will actually have to book a wedding one month in advance, so we think earlyjanuary will be the first time we see the weddings. Certainly, i know lots of couples already sending out invites hoping they can make their relationship legal in the eyes of australian law. A feathered dinosaur, resembling a swan, has been discovered by scientists. The creature had scythe like claws, a reptilian tail and a beak lined with teeth. Its thought to have lived 75 million years ago, and was a therapod like tyrannosaurus rex. It may have been the first dinosaur to adopt the lifestyle of a modern day water bird. The uks next city of culture will be named later today as hulls year long celebration in the spotlight nears an end. Coventry, paisley, stoke on trent, sunderland and swansea are in the running for the 2021 title. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30. This e mailfrom this e mail from stuart, this e mailfrom stuart, your experiences of how long you had waited in a e, we took our elderly mother in law a e evening after having called 111. She had acute back pain, she spent approximately 21 hours on the ward, eight hours of which was sitting on a hard plastic chairand which was sitting on a hard plastic chair and the rest on a trolley. Ca re chair and the rest on a trolley. Care in this time was contradictory and confusing. She was eventually admitted to a ward where she spent four hours before eventually being sent home by a doctor with antibiotics and painkillers at about 9pm on monday night. Tuesday morning, she was confused, unable to move her right hand, an ambulance came to take her back to being tee. She spent a further ten hours there before being admitted. Do the same ward she was discharged from the previous night. This whole experience has caused her immense distress. Thank you, stuart. You can share your experiences. New Analysis Shows waiting times in a e have doubled in the last few years. You can send me an e mail. 0r doubled in the last few years. You can send me an e mail. Or you can whatsapp or facebook or text. Sport. Record breaking night for english football in europe . The liverpool bossjurgen klopp says he is still fearing a tough draw for the last 16 of the champions league. That is despite their great goal scoring form at the moment. They finished top of the group last night, 7 0 demolition of Spartak Moscow including a hat trick for Philippe Coutinho playing very well at the moment. Another couple of goals for sadio mane a, that victory also means record breaking four english clu bs, means record breaking four english clubs, five of them reaching the knockout stages of the competition for the first time. For english clu bs. For the first time. For english clubs. This year, it is quite special. I do not think you can face often Bayern Munich and real madrid in the last 16, if you win the group. And all the others. So that is quite interesting. Indeed it is. An interesting draw. Takes place on monday. Also last night, Manchester City were beaten for the first time in 29 games, 2 1 by shakhtar donetsk. They finished the group stage unbeaten, donetsk. They finished the group stage unbeaten, both donetsk. They finished the group stage unbeaten, both of the premier league teams going through as Group Winners as well. We talked about the Winter Olympics on the programme yesterday and the fact russia will be banned but some russian athletes will be able to compete . We will see more russian athletes banned over the coming months and years. Their 0lympic committee has been banned by the ioc. Banned from taking part in next yea rs the ioc. Banned from taking part in next years winter games in south korea. Russian athletes who prove they are clean are at the moment likely to be able to take part. The ioc president thomas bach says a final decision on that will be made next week. This week great britains Kelly Southwark and was awarded a heptathlete runs from 2008 after a russian athlete lost an appeal against a retrospective disqualification. I personally think it should be a total ban. Regardless of the few athletes in russia who are potentially clean, or who can prove they are, they are still rationed. If they compete it will be under the banner athletes from russia, rather than neutral athletes and that may well suggest the ioc has agreed some kind of deal with Vladimir Putin to avoid what would be the first boycott of the games since 1984. Could we be seeing a return for england cricketer ben stokes . The english fans have their fingers crossed for it. After defeat in the first two english tests there is a criticism over a lack of fighting spirit in the team at the moment and what they would give to see him out there with them. He has been named in their one day squad for the five match series in australia in the new year. He has not played since being arrested following an incident outside the bristol nightclub in september. Alex hales is not currently being considered for selection. It does not mean either will play in the series. The ecb are yet to decide on what disciplinary action they will take. They are waiting to see if charges are brought against him, so at the moment it is a waiting game for the england fans. Thank you very much, hugh. More from him this morning. More from him this morning. One of the stories of this year has seen hundreds of women and some men choosing to speak out about the Sexual Harassment and exploitation theyd endured in hollywood, going back decades. Since allegations were made against Film Producer Harvey Weinstein and then actor kevin spacey, people in other professions were inspired to reveal their own stories as part of the metoo movement, so much so, theyve collectively been named time magazines person of the year. Theres times iconic cover adama iwu at the front, with isabel pascaul, ashleyjudd, susan fowler and taylor swfit along the back. Many, but not all the examples, involve an abuse of power a man in a more senior position taking advantage of a male or female in a less senior role. This morning were going to bring you exclusively, stories of some working in the modelling industry and they are pretty grim. Back in october, some publications announced they would stop using the photographer Terry Richardson after a number of models accused him of Sexual Exploitation and abuse. Today were going to bring you the testimonies of some models. You may find this film uncomfortable to watch and if you have children with you, you might not want them to see it. Theres quite a few examples. I turned up at the shoot, at the studio, got the clothes on, everything is fine, doing the different shots. I went to the bathroom, for a break. Came back and the photographer was on his knees, where i was supposed to be standing. He grabbed me and he wanted me to perform an act on him. And i just froze. I was sexually assaulted by a stylist from a well known hair brand. He grabbed me by the throat, grabbed me in between my legs and he told me that my body was disgusting. I could not get out, i did not have keys, i did not have a phone. I pushed him away when he tried to kiss me. He ended up masturbating lying next to me. There was a pretty popular photographer who wanted to shoot me, but because we were in separate states, he wanted me to send nude photos of myself to him. I remember him asking me and me knowing, i know i dont know much about the industry yet, but im pretty sure that i dont have to send you a nude photo, for you to be able to tell what kind of model you want. I kind of tried to appease him but still do it my way, so i thought i would send him photos of myself in my bikini. He lashed out through text message, if you arent ready for the real modelling world, dont waste my time. I think there are about ten or 11 girls booked for this, we were going to do the shots in situ, so it was in a bar. We had a uniform we were supposed to wear, with the name of the bar and stuff and we had to go and have our hair and make up done. And the cameraman and the photographer came out and said, ok, girls, how many of you are prepared to do nude . I was a bit shocked because about half of the girls got up and sat down next door. And the rest of us said, were not prepared to do that because that was not part of the shoot. And they were like, oh well, if you are not prepared to do nude photos then you have not got through the casting. And we said, this is the job, not the casting. No no no, this was actuallyjust the casting and you didnt get through the casting. So, yeah, bye. This was one of my favourite photo shoots. The photographer is extremely talented. But, at the end of the shoot, i was asked if i wanted to hook up and fool around. Mind you, ijust putting my clothes back on and i am feeling really u nco mforta ble. Normally, i would just kind of laugh it off and pretend like, i dont my my first thought was, am i going to get paid for this . Then he might go to the agent and Say Something. We did invite the British Fashion council onto the show, but they didnt respond. We also asked the association of model agents. They declined to give us an interview but they did tell us that they have now set up an an independent reporting system for models to report abuse, that will come into place in the next couple of weeks. They wanted to make clear that their agencies have a huge duty of care to their models and do everything within their power to protect them. They said they dont send them to meetings at hotels or private addresses with clients or photographers who they do not know. Terry richardson denies the allegations made against him. We can now speak to the British Fashion commentator caryn franklin, from the Kingston School of art and model eunice 0lumide. Obviously the nature of the conversation means you might not want children to hear the conversation welcome to both of you. The world of fashion, it objectifies women, is it inevitable sadly that some women and men are going to be the victims of Sexual Harassment or exploitation. Men are going to be the victims of Sexual Harassment or exploitationlj do Sexual Harassment or exploitation. do not think Good Practice needs to objectify women. We all relate to salford and identity and in the womens market, women do not need to seek female women sexualise sexhood. The male gaze, what do you mean you cannot give me that look . Sex it up. The model loses power as her boundaries are eroded. That is what we are struggling with, to create a safe space for models were those professional boundaries are not overstepped as a perk of the job. Do you relate to some of the testimony . Completely. In any industry there are rules and regulations. It is not acceptable because you are a fashion model, although i understand why people fall into those situations, it has to be appropriate on set all the time. So why is there not . It is almost self regulated. Institutions or organisations, regardless of what they are, when they are self regulated the correct checks are not done. There is now an association of model agencies and an organisation such as equity. But i feel it is disappointing it has taken so long for any of these things to come around. Also there is not a direct route where the agencies themselves, although full of individuals, some of whom are very caring, there is not a direct route for the agency to flag up that preventative cancelling and signpost away for complaint and immediatejoining to and signpost away for complaint and immediate joining to the equity union by which models learn about their rights. Having spoken to emanuel, he has invited all models. Explain who he is. From equity models union, whether or not they are members of the union they can receive independent advice and guidance. It is essential. One of theissues guidance. It is essential. One of the issues i find is if you do have a problem you risk the fact of being highlighted is difficult to work with if you say anything at all and this is a major issue. Has happened to you . Yes, i have had experiences we re to you . Yes, i have had experiences were photographers or other people have behaved inappropriately. You Say Something to the photographer and you are in serious trouble. Unfortunately i do not necessarily ee, unfortunately i do not necessarily agree, sometimes when it comes to agencies they might not necessarily respond favourably to you. That is an important point, it is the money. You said something interesting, if you Say Something to the photographer, you are in big trouble. What do you mean . photographer, you are in big trouble. What do you mean . I have had a situation where i felt someone was not behaving correctly and that led to me not getting booked for several years. I did not know that because i had said something out loud that person had then defamed my character and made out like i was some kind of diva on set and it was nothing to do with that. What did that individual try to do . The most important thing rather than going into the details was the consequences of into the details was the consequences of that and the consequences of that and the consequences of consequences of that and the consequences of that and the consequences of that word that that person felt challenged, so they went into a kind of attack mode and they did that by saying things about me which were unfair and untrue. Because they are in a position of power, everyone had believed them. Ultimately i am just a model. Actually in our industry it is not correct for us to speak too much either onset or not. I am really upset, i was struck by a quote from another british model, edie campbell. When we go on set which enter into an unspoken contract. For that day we give our bodies and our fate is over to the photographer, the stylist, the make up artist. We give up ownership for that day. 100 . How do you change that culture . 100 . How do you change that culture . There are a lot of things going on in the wider social, political and economic environment so we can see across political and economic environment so we can see across industries, like there is this resurgence and people are paying attention and people are paying attention and people are paying attention and people are speaking out and i was so proud and inspired by so many of the established actresses and models who are now speaking about it because we really need them to come forward. Now they are in a place in their career now they are in a place in their career whereby they can speak without having to worry about not getting booked. We have got to add that we need diverse perspectives. Why is there an automatic assumption that a female model operating largely for a female audience has to adopt a sexualised pose. Dawn says this, it is notjust the models who get harassed, ask the female assista nts get harassed, ask the female assistants and the aspiring female photographers. At some point we have all been treated inappropriately. It is across all levels. It is a sense of entitlement that sadly a group of people in the industry, and it is mostly white, middle aged men, who stepped into this role, they believe they have, in terms of their creative piratical tyrannical power. It should not be done to young models to fight their corner to change what is entrenched behaviour among very powerful groups. The whole industry has to get together and back an independent regulatory body that takes money and visionary leadership, something i have suggested, but actually, where will it come from and how will we make it happen . Thank you very much both of you. Really appreciate your time. Your views are welcome, particularly if you work in the fashion industry, as dawn clearly does. The number of long waits has doubled in the past four years in a e. What can be done . Theresa may is under increasing pressure from all sides to break the impasse in the brexit talks and reach an agreement over the future of the irish border. Well get the latest from our political time for the latest News Headlines this morning. Heres annita. The leader of the Palestinian Islamist movement has called for a new intifada or Popular Uprising following President Trumps recognition of jerusalem following President Trumps recognition ofjerusalem as israels capital. It has been widely condemned by some of the uss closest allies. The Un Security Council will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow to debate the move. The irish Prime Minister, leo varadkar, has said theresa may is expected to put forward a new offer on the issue of the irish border later today. A Draft Agreement between mrs may and the european union, which would have allowed the brexit negotiations to move on to trade, was blocked on monday by the democratic unionists. 19 tory mps who back a soft brexit have written to mrs may, saying it was highly irresponsible for anyone to dictate terms which may scupper a deal. The defence secretary, gavin williamson, has said no british citizen who has fought for the Islamic State group should be allowed back into the country. Mr williamson, who was promoted to his post last month, told the daily mail that the fighters should be hunted down and killed, because a dead terrorist couldnt cause any harm to britain. The number of patients waiting more than four hours in accident and Emergency Departments in the uk has more than doubled in the last four years. Research by the bbc has found over 3 Million People experienced longer waits than the a e target in the last 12 months. The accounts of Bath Spa University show that its departing vice chancellor, professor christina slade, received more than £800,000 last year in pay and benefits. Ten days ago, the vice chancellor of Bath University announced she would step down in 2019 after complaints from students and staff about her pay. The university and College Union said the pay and pensions of some senior staff made them look greedy and out of touch. The Australian Parliament has passed a bill to legalise same sex marriage. The bill was passed after a long debate in which more than 100 mps spoke. The vote follows a referendum earlier this year, which showed a majority of people support the change. A fast moving wildfire in Southern California has hit the us states main costal highway and reached the Pacific Ocean according to firefighters tackling the blaze. The homes of more than 150,000 people have been evacuated in an area north of los angeles and hundreds of buildings have been damaged. Strong winds are expected to hinder efforts to contain the fire which is endangering some 12,000 properties. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Thank you very much. This news just m, thank you very much. This news just in, from the home office, a record 400 arrests were made for terrorism related offences in the year to the end of september 20 17. Those figuresjust end of september 20 17. Those figures just published. 400 arrests have been made in a 12 month period in this country for terrorism related offences from september, 2016, two september, 2017. That is a record according to the home office. Sport. Liverpool kept up the lethal goal scoring form in the process, beating Spartak Moscow 7 0 making it five english clubs into the last 16 for the very first time. Pep guardiolas man city warmed up for this weekends derby not as they had hoped, their first defeat since april, going down 2 1 at shakhtar donetsk in ukraine. Could return the growing close of the ben stokes . He has not played since his arrest following an incident outside a nightclub in september. He has been named in the squad for the one day series with australia in the one day series with australia in the new year. Mark king won for the last five frames to beatjohn higgins at the uk championship snooker. He will be joined higgins at the uk championship snooker. He will bejoined in higgins at the uk championship snooker. He will be joined in the quarterfinals by stephen maguire, joe perry and ryan day. More sport after ten. Whats the longest youve sat for in accident and emergency waiting to be seen by a doctor . The bbc has found that a e waiting times across the uk have more doubled in the last three years. There are differences between various parts of the uk, but england has seen the biggest rise where long waits are up by over 150 . Lets find out whats behind the rise and what should be done. In nuneaton is dani thorpe, who waited almost five hours with her nine month old son, max, after he was rushed to hospital. Wendy preston is here, a nurse with almost 30 years experience. In our birmingham studio is former conservative Health Secretary, stephen dorrell. And here in the studio, Labours Health spokesman, jonathan ashworth. Thank you for coming on the programme, all of you. Dani, it was late on a saturday night, you took max to hospital, when was the scene . I think it was about four hours after we arrived, he was eventually seen. What was the outcome . They just put it down to the bronchiolitis and told us there was nothing they could do and sent us home. What was it like while you we re home. What was it like while you were waiting . If it was within four hours, that is within the target, after the forum was, missing the target. It was definitely after four hours. The waiting room is not very co mforta ble. Hours. The waiting room is not very comfortable. A lot of unhappy pa rents, comfortable. A lot of unhappy parents, unhappy children. A lot of poorly children that were not being seen too. It was just awful. Poorly children that were not being seen too. It wasjust awful. How is max now . Still on the mend. Not much better. I am sorry to hear that. You have been in nursing for almost three decades, wendy, how typical a story is that in recent times . Very typical. I working clinical practice in nuneaton, a bit of a coincidence. What we see is we have got in a e a bottleneck, it is a final coming in with the bottle at the other end. Funnel. We have so many people coming to a e from Different Directions and on the other side, so many delayed transfers of care. For example, in nuneaton, iwork many delayed transfers of care. For example, in nuneaton, i work for the out of hours gp service. 0ne example, in nuneaton, i work for the out of hours gp service. One of the problems as we have such a lot of people to see in the out of hours gp service, face to face, home visits, palliative care, terminally ill. I work night shifts, the massive drop in District Nursing. 0ver work night shifts, the massive drop in District Nursing. Over 40 reduction in District Nursing numbers. Ina reduction in District Nursing numbers. In a lot of areas, there reduction in District Nursing numbers. In a lot ofareas, there is no overnight District Nursing service. People end up going to me . No, the out of hours gp service, doctor or advanced nurse like myself, about visiting people who could have been seen by a district nurse, they might have catheter problems, they might need pain relief. No District Nursing service, everything falls to the out of hours gp service. You were Health Secretary the last time the conservatives were in government, what is going wrong . The declining availability of district nurses, there has also been a decline in the numberof gps, an there has also been a decline in the number of gps, an increase in emergency room waiting times, as your headline reports, these are all different measures of increased demand and capacity not growing fast enough and very often not growing in the right place. If you think of one of the other stories often around when we consider these questions, the problems or pressures within social care. You mentioned discharges from hospital, but it is also social care preventing people going to hospital or to gps and district nurses in the first place. You have not mentioned money in that list. Why do you think the government does not give the nhs the money that the chief executive has asked for . That is a question you should put to the government. I am here as chairof should put to the government. I am here as chair of the nhs confederation. We made the same point to the government that Simon Stevens made, that these questions, andl stevens made, that these questions, and i list the different pressure points on the health and care system, they are all measures of capacity, not growing fast enough, to meet the demand for service. Labours jonathan ashworth, to meet the demand for service. Laboursjonathan ashworth, the department of health colours they are spending an extra 435 million to cope with this winter the department of health tell us. And 1 billion extra to help meet Adult Social Care needs. An awful lot of money. It is. And there has been a slight increase in nhs budget for the next 12 months after the chancellors budget that other week. But it is not enough. Traditionally, as stephen will know from his time in the cabinet, the nhs budget tends to increase by 4 a year on average, generally accepted as an increase which will meet the increasing needs and demands on the nhs. But under seven and demands on the nhs. But under seve n yea rs and demands on the nhs. But under seven years of this government, the nhs budget has more less flat lined at 1 , seven of underfunding, capacity has not grown in the right places, for example, we have lost 14,000 beds in our hospitals. We think we now have vacancies that 35,000 nurses. The number of gps is going down. Social care has been cut back very severely which means you have many elderly and Vulnerable People in communities going without the care they would have got, often being cared for in hospitals with nowhere to go. Is it mostly about money . We know labour would borrow to invest more. Is it mostly about amounts of money being poured in . We have to put the nhs on a proper sustainable financial footing for the future and the labour party in the future and the labour party in the general election recently pledged an extra £6 billion for the nhs in the next year. We said we would pay for that by making different decisions on taxation. More broadly, we have to resolve the social care crisis in this country and we have to resolve the workforce issues. We do not have enough doctors, nurses, paramedics. That is a long term issue, you cannot resolve it overnight. There are things the government could do like guaranteeing the rights of eu workers, bringing back the training bursary, a properfair prey rise workers, bringing back the training bursary, a proper fair prey rise to help with retention issues as well. Pay help with retention issues as well. Pay rise. Wendy, your own experience at the front line, what do you see would be good to change to make things better so patients are not waiting so long in a e . You just talked about funding, stepped in the right direction to get extra funding, but it comes too late in the planning. We are where we are. What would you suggest . We need to plan the next year, the year after, so we can plan the next year, the year after, so we can plan. I know in a hospital in nuneaton, they are just spending the extra Million Pounds they had to redesign the a e department so they can have out of hours gp services, walk in centres, a e, altogether. It takes time and building work. That is £1 million once banned, are you saying . It looks like it is a positive saying . It looks like it is a positive well saying . It looks like it is a positive well spent. It needed to be done earlier in the year are not in the winter. Dani, as a taxpayer, a mum, someone who has spent longer than you would have wanted in a e recently, what did you see that might be good to change to make things better for patients like yourself . I think if you are taken in by ambulance which we were, instead of being told you are not a priority, you should be seen as soon as you get there. I understand there are emergencies, that does not bother me, if there is an emergency, i have to wait, that is fine. We we re i have to wait, that is fine. We were taken in by ambulance. We walked through the main entrance of a e and the whole coracle was lined with people the whole corridor. have quite a lot of social media from people talking of similar stories. Andrew says, i was admitted in with pneumonia and was in a e for 12 hours on a trolley, five hours later i was sent home and within 24 hours i was sent home and within 24 hours i was readmitted. This time i spent 16 hours on a trolley and spent 11 daysin 16 hours on a trolley and spent 11 days in hospital before finally being sent home. There are quite a few like that. I am recovering from a broken leg, says callum. I arrived ina taxi a broken leg, says callum. I arrived in a taxi in unbelievable pain, someone got me a wheelchair and got me registered and within one hour my leg was reset and put in plaster and i was on my way to a ward in prep for surgery, they were amazing. Sheila says i and my husband attended our Emergency Department at Salisbury District Council three weeks ago. My husband was in pain and he was seen within an hour and he was admitted for tests and was admitted for further tests and went home the next day. Pearl says it comes as no surprise to me that waiting times are over 24 hours. How can it be any different when we have an increasing and ageing population . Doctors and nurses are doing a fantastic job and are doctors and nurses are doing a fantasticjob and are only human. Some a e departments are doing really well despite the circumstances. That is a tribute to the tremendous staff who work in our hospitals. That story about waiting ona hospitals. That story about waiting on a trolley is staggering and no one should put up with that. Some figures we research recently showed that in the last year there have been 565,000 people designated as waiting on a trolley. They are often waiting on a trolley. They are often waiting on a trolley. They are often waiting on a trolley in corridors and able to get a bed. The scale of the crisis affecting the nhs is huge at the moment. Thank you all very much for coming in. I have got an interesting e mailfrom much for coming in. I have got an interesting e mail from rachel. Much for coming in. I have got an interesting e mailfrom rachel. It is quite long, so i will read later. It is quite long, so i will read later. If you want to know how your local hospital is doing, use the bbc nhs tracker at bbc. Co. Uk nhstracker. Coming up how one acid attack victim has gone on to campaign to change the law on selling acid, and earlier this year was named one of bbcs 100 women. Well hearfrom resham khan later in the programme. Another day of pressure for theresa may, as efforts continue to break the brexit impasse over ireland. Its thought the Prime Minister could come up with new proposals within the next 24 hours in an attempt to get over this last hurdle before the uk and the eu can start trade talks. The democratic unionist party, which mrs may depends on for support, says theres still work to be done, while the irish Prime Minister, leo varadkar, says hes willing to consider new ideas. So why has this massive set of negotiations stalled over a 300 mile border on an island on the outer edge of europe . Lets talk to our Political Correspondent chris mason. Sorry, ian watson. Are we expecting a new form of words to be put to the eu from theresa may in the next 24 hours . That is the hope of the irish government. However, downing street are not quite so optimistic and crucially the dup, the party propping up theresa mays administration at westminster are sounding more downbeat. They are suggesting there will not be a deal this week. The chief eu negotiator Michel Barnier said he and the eu ambassadors need to know if the deal will be done by tomorrow evening. When i spoke to Chris Grayling this morning he was saying the real deadline for him is not until this time next week when there is a big summit of all the european leaders. There is lots of talk about deadlines. We are going to get on with the job as quickly as we can to find the right way forward, but i am in no doubt that over the coming days if there is a will to find an agreement, that agreement will be found regardless of what time of night or day it is. We are all working towards reaching an agreement. There are different people saying Different Things about what we have to do that and when. I am sure people will be flexible. Chris grayling sounded optimistic and suggesting the end of this week is not a deadline for him. But apart from that what is the substance . Bear with me. The government is talking about full alignment post brexit between Northern Ireland and the republic of ireland. That means you can have different rules and regulations either side of the border as long as they had similar standards. That could lead to frictionless trade and no need for a border. Whether they can convince the dup that language is acceptable will be absolutely crucial. Full alignment ian watson. Ian watson. So, that border between Northern Ireland and the republic of ireland runs for 310 miles and up to 35,000 people, including workers, schoolchildren and hospital patients, are among those who travel across the border every day both ways. There are farms whose fields straddle the border and even homes where you can have your breakfast in the north and go to sleep in the south. How do People Living and working along the border feel about possible changes to Border Control after brexit . Lets talk to Maree Lindsay who is principal of St Marys College in derry londonderry. She lives in the republic of ireland and crosses the border every day to go to work at her school in Northern Ireland. James johnston runs enniskillen cattle mart near the border. Many of the farmers that come to the market have land that straddles the border. And betty holmes is a member of donegal action for cancer care. The group is based in the republic of ireland but campaigns for people to be able to access nearby nhs Health Facilities in Northern Ireland. Welcome all of you. You cross the border every day to go to work. Give us an border every day to go to work. Give us an insight into the day to day practicalities of cross border living and working. It is very sea mless living and working. It is very seamless and it happens very easily at present. I live about a 15 minute drive from the school so when i get up drive from the school so when i get up in the morning i am in the republic of ireland in donegal and i drive 15 minutes and there are no visible signs i am changing jurisdiction and moving into Northern Ireland. It is not obvious that you cross the border . Not really. If you are wide awake and i could point out the street signs and when you cross into Northern Ireland the signs are in miles per hour, not kilometres per hour, but that is the only difference. You have known a ha rd only difference. You have known a hard border during the troubles in the 1970s in particular. What is it like having to go through an Army Checkpoint . It is unpredictable and quite disruptive especially when you are in school and a timetable is running and classes need to be taught. Many days you would have travelled through without being stopped, but on occasions you could have been stopped and you never knew how long that delay was going to be. Evenif how long that delay was going to be. Even if you and your car were not going to be searched, many of the vehicles in front of you could have been pulled in to be searched. It was very disruptive and everyone travelling through those checkpoints had delays and had to cope with that unpredictability. No one is suggesting there will be Army Checkpoint in their ends up being a ha rd checkpoint in their ends up being a hard border, but it is interesting to get that insight. What do you feel potentially about the prospect if no deal can be agreed of a hard border again . Well, i would be very worried about a hard border. Apart from the practicalities and the delays and being able to get to work, and it is notjust me, as you say there are thousands of people who cross for work and their studies, so it would be very disruptive. But also the idea of a ha rd disruptive. But also the idea of a hard border on people like me who live in a border area really impact on the society and on the community. I think we would see a fragmentation of that community and i think that is something i would worry about. That is interesting. It is notjust about the economics. You are saying it is about peace, prosperity and the social well being of people. James, you work in a family business, how important is an open borderfor you and business, how important is an open border for you and your business . Again it is crucial to keep the border open and seamless. As has been mentioned even before the economy thankfully there are great north south relations at the minute and any disruption to that would be very unwelcome. There are farmers who trades at your market who have land that straddles the border. They literally do have one field in the north and one field in the south. What i their concerns about potentially a border that runs through their land having tighter controls . They are very worried about that. We have a cattle sale on here today and this spans into the south and they are bringing their cattle to ask and there are a lot of farmers who have land both sides, farms both sides, and the prospect of being slowed down, even small delays, whenever they cross that border multiple times during the day can add up to major disruption. Some have even said if that was the case, they would have to consider stopping they would have to consider stopping the farm on whatever side of the border they had the least land on. That is interesting. Betty, let me bring you in. Yourfamily has had a history of cancer which has led to you campaigning on Health Services and campaigning for people being able to Access Services cross border. What difference does that make to people would you say . Well, the difference you could just not comprehend it. The best way to explain it or bring it into context is we are in donegal, part of the republic of ireland and literally 15 minutes from my home we are in londonderry, part of the uk. It has a major impact. The best way to highlight it to you is we put together a map of ireland, the entire part of ireland, and we did this in february 2000 and 15. Lifted higher up. This is the map of ireland. This is the eight centres of excellence hospitals and they go across the galway and dublin line and we are here in donegal. Just across in here is the dairy hospital and we were part of a group both on this side of the border and in londonderry who campaigned over a long period of time to actually develop radiotherapy Cancer Services for the people of donegal. What that means is there is a Radiotherapy Unit in Northern Ireland, there is one in belfast. But that meant difficulty but people in derry and the border area. Together we both worked hard and along with both governments and the radiotherapy centre, the northwest Cancer Centre was centre, the northwest Cancer Centre was developed in derry and londonderry. Lets say there were controls and checks. Some people say there is no need for that anyway because the Technology Means you could go straight through. You are shaking your head in disagreement. First of all, before we had the Radiotherapy Unit for a donegal Cancer Patients they had to make a five hour one wayjourney Cancer Patients they had to make a five hour one way journey to Cancer Patients they had to make a five hour one wayjourney to galway hospital or dublin hospital. It meant you left early on monday morning and came back on friday night. But you can still cross the border even if it was not invisible. It might take slightly longer . When you went to galway you did not have to cross the border because we were in the republic of ireland. Yes, we are effectively crossing the border, but a cancer patient can leave their home in the morning and come back in the evening. But there is an important issue in this context. In order to have the north west cancer ce ntre order to have the north west Cancer Centre in londonderry part of the uk, we needed a Critical Mass and if there is a hard brexit and that service is impacted on and access for donegal patients at the new Radiotherapy Unit is not accessible, that leaves londonderry in the north in the six counties, part of the uk, they will not have the Critical Mass to maintain the Radiotherapy Unit. Understood, i will pause you there. James, thank you for coming in, and marry, thank you for your time as well. We really appreciated. Marie. Marie. We will bring you the latest spot in a moment, first the weather. Storm caroline is still developing across the far north of scotland at the moment and that brings in colder air. It will get noticeably colder as the day goes on. This is storm caroline and that is the centre where you have got some really strong winds. The isobar is not close together. Storm force winds across northern scotland and that has prompted weather warnings. 80 miles an hour, so be prepared for disruption. Those strong winds will continue for much of the day in northern scotland. Elsewhere we have rain which is moving its way south and east. Still mild conditions in the south east. There will be sunshine coming through but it will turn noticeably colder and temperatures dropping by seven celsius this afternoon and with it increasingly wet and stirring conditions in Northern Ireland and scotland. This evening and overnight that snow in northern scotland will get down to low levels and low levels in Northern Ireland, north west england, wales and eventually into the midlands by early tomorrow morning. Ice is a big problem tomorrow morning in northern areas. Further south temperatures staying above freezing. There could well be some problems on friday morning with blizzards and snow at low levels and also in Northern Ireland, wales and the northwest midlands. By morning it could be 2 5 centimetres. But those showers continued throughout the day and there could be 10 15 centimetres by there could be 10 15 centimetres by the evening rush hour. This snow continues in northern scotland. If you have not got the snow, you have got sunshine, but it will feel bitterly cold with a significant wind chill. It will feel like freezing and down to minus six celsius. 0n freezing and down to minus six celsius. On saturday a brief respite. Lots of dry weather around and sunshine in eastern areas and a few showers in the north and the west. Pretty cold on saturday and on sunday rain sped into the south and it will turn to snow. There is some uncertainty as to where exactly it will fall and how much it will settle. Much milder in the south west, but colder in the east. Stay tuned as we go into sunday. Hello, it is 10am, i am victoria derbyshire. The Palestinian Islamist group hamas has called for a new uprising against israel. It follows President Trumps recognition of jerusalem as the israeli capital. Changing 70 years of American Foreign policy. It is time to officially recognise jerusalem foreign policy. It is time to officially recognisejerusalem as the capital of israel. We will be live in the house of commons as labour asks and irked and question about President Trumps decision. And resham khan who suffered life changing injuries after a stranger threw acid at her. Acid attacks are not just something threw acid at her. Acid attacks are notjust something people can wake up notjust something people can wake up to the next day and continue normally. I am up to the next day and continue normally. Iam making big up to the next day and continue normally. I am making Big Decisions and big changes in life. There are a lot of things i would have liked to have done that i cannot do any more. She has gone on to campaign for a change in the law on the sale of acid. We will hear from change in the law on the sale of acid. We will hearfrom her straight after the news and sport. Its been revealed the outgoing vice chancellor of Bath Spa University was paid over £800,000 for her last year in the role. Well ask the university and College Union what they make of that sum. Heres annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The leader of the Palestinian Islamist Movement Hamas has called for a new intifada or Popular Uprising following President Trumps recognition of jerusalem uprising following President Trumps recognition ofjerusalem as israels capital. The decision has been widely condemned including by some of americas closest allies such as britain, france and saudi arabia. The Un Security Council will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow to debate the move. The number of people arrested for terror related offences has soared. 400 people were held in the 12 months to the end of september, an increase of 54 on the year before. 64 of the arrests were related to the london and manchester terror attacks. 30 people were prosecuted in total and all were found guilty. A further 65 people are awaiting prosecution. The irish Prime Minister, leo varadkar, has said theresa may is expected to put forward a new offer on the issue of the irish border later today. A Draft Agreement between mrs may and the european union, which would have allowed the brexit negotiations to move on to trade, was blocked on monday by the democratic unionists. 19 tory mps who back a soft brexit have written to mrs may, saying it was highly irresponsible for anyone to dictate terms which may scupper a deal. The defence secretary, gavin williamson, has said no british citizen who has fought for the so called Islamic State group should be allowed back into the country. Mr williamson, who was promoted to his post last month, told the daily mail that the fighters should be hunted down and killed, because a dead terrorist couldnt cause any harm to britain. The number of patients waiting more than four hours in accident and Emergency Departments in the uk has more than doubled since 2013. Research by the bbc has found over 3 Million People experienced longer waits than the a e target in the last 12 months. The accounts of Bath Spa University show that its departing vice chancellor, professor christina slade, received more than £800,000 last year in pay and benefits. Ten days ago, the vice chancellor of Bath University announced she would step down in 2019 after complaints from students and staff about her pay. The university and College Union said the pay and pensions of some senior staff made them look greedy and out of touch. Around 2,000 customers are without power in the Western Isles because of damage caused by storm caroline. The met office has issued an amber, be prepared, weather warning for northern scotland, with gusts of up to 80mph expected. There is disruption to ferries and the rail network and restrictions are in place across exposed bridges. The largest and most expensive warship ever built for the royal navy will officially join the service today. The queen will commission the new aircraft carrier, hms queen elizabeth, at a ceremony in portsmouth attended by 4,000 people. The ship, which Wont Take Part in military operations until 2021, cost more than £3 billion. A fast moving wildfire in Southern California has hit the us states main costal highway and reached the Pacific Ocean according to firefighters tackling the blaze. The homes of more than 150,000 people have been evacuated in an area north of los angeles and hundreds of buildings have been damaged. Strong winds are expected to hinder efforts to contain the fire which is endangering some 12,000 properties. The Australian Parliament has passed a bill to legalise same sex marriage. The bill was passed after a long debate in which more than 100 mps spoke. The vote follows a referendum earlier this year, which showed a majority of people support the change. 0ur sydney correspondent said it marked the end of years of political wrangling. A feathered dinosaur, resembling a swan, has been discovered by scientists. The creature had scythe like claws, a reptilian tail and a beak lined with teeth. Its thought to have lived 75 million years ago, and was a therapod, like tyrannosaurus rex. It may have been the first dinosaur to adopt the lifestyle of a modern day water bird. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 10. 30am. Thank you. I promised you i would read rachels e mail about her weight at a e. It is quite long, absolutely worth it. In march, i was hit by a car in a hit and run accident. I never lost consciousness, so no ambulance was dispatched. The police transferred me to a e without the lights on and soi me to a e without the lights on and so i was stuck in the car for over half an hour in traffic. At amd, i could not remember my name or date of birth. There was no Seating Available so eventually an older lady gave me her seat and she sat on the floor. An hour later, i was seen by triage and given morphine. I was told i needed x rays. I waited three more hours to be taken by wheelchair to x ray. 0nce more hours to be taken by wheelchair to x ray. Once this was done, i waited four more hours to have someone look at the x rays. After waiting so long, the morphine had worn off and i was becoming quite teary. The doctor then said, there is nothing wrong, i should take paracetamol and id proof in. I had to fight for a wrist brace as it was hurting so much. I left a e thinking i should not be in pain. I woke up in excruciating pain and i ran my doctor and insisted i was seen. No appointments were available so i settled for a telephone appointment. My settled for a telephone appointment. My doctors gave me painkillers. I tried to rebuild my life. Four weeks after the accident, i went back to the doctor and said my wrist was not right. He said, wait, it is still settling down. I went back after six weeks, i said, settling down. I went back after six weeks, isaid, it settling down. I went back after six weeks, i said, it is not right. They told me to wait. It took me pleading with the doctor 12 weeks after the accident for them to refer me for physio. It took six weeks for a physio. It took six weeks for a physio appointment for them to say, iam in physio appointment for them to say, i am in too much pain for physiotherapy to help. I was then referred to the pain clinic and i have since been under them. The physio is still insisting i am in too much pain for any help. Wow. I am really sorry about that, rachel. Goodness me, a catalogue of awfulness. We will talk more about a e waiting times. Now let us talk about the sport. Well, liverpool bossjurgen klopp is still fearing a tough draw for the last 16 of the champions league, despite his team finishing top of their group with a 7 nil demolition of Spartak Moscow at anfield. It included a hat trick for phillipe coutinho, as well as another couple for sadio mane. Their victory also means five english teams reach the knockout stages of the competition for the first time. Last 16, champions league, there are a lwa ys last 16, champions league, there are always strong size, this year, it is special. I do not think you can often special. I do not think you can ofte n fa ce special. I do not think you can often face Bayern Munich and real madrid in the last 16 if you win the group. And all the others. So that is quite interesting. Fernando llorente got his first goalfor spurs, as a much changed side beat apoel nicosia 3 0 at wembley. Spurs go through as Group Winners. As do Manchester City, who were beaten for the first time in 29 games. Pep guardiola also made a raft of changes as they went down 2 1 at shaktar donetsk in ukraine. Well, after defeat in the first two ashes tests and criticism over a lack of fighting spirit, what england wouldnt give to see ben stokes back out on the field with them. That remains highly unlikely but stokes has been named in the one day squad for the five match series against australia in the new year. Andy swiss has more from adelaide. England now know they have a mountain to climb if they are to retain the cabinet ashes. They have a warm up game in perth this weekend before the test gets under way next week. If australia win the test, they will read in the ashes. England have not won in perth since 1978. 0ne have not won in perth since 1978. One man who is not here with england is ben stokes. He is currently playing domestic cricket in new zealand. We have had the news he has been named in englands one day squad for their series here in january. Ben stokes is waiting to find out at the moment if he will be charged over an incident in bristol in september. Despite being named in the squad, he is still currently unavailable for selection until the Crown Prosecution Service decides whether to charge him and until the england and Wales Cricket board decide whether to take any disciplinary action. As things stand at the moment, ben stokes is still unavailable to play. Russian athletes could still stage the first 0lympic boycott since 1984. The country has been banned by the ioc from taking part in next years winter games in south korea. Russian athletes who prove they are clean likely to be able to take part, but ioc president thomas bach says a final decision on that will be made next week. If allowed, though, those deemed clean may still protest by choosing not to take part. More on that in the coming days and weeks. That is all the sport for now. More little bit later on. Good morning. This summer, 21 year old resham khan suffered life changing injuries after a stranger threw acid at her as she sat in a car with her cousin. Shes gone on to campaign to change the law on selling acid. And earlier this year, she was named one of bbcs 100 women. Her attacker, john tomlin, has admitted to causing her grievous bodily harm and is due to be sentenced in january. Resham khan has told the bbc she pities her attacker but still cant understand why he did it. Acid attacks arentjust something people can wake up to the next day and continue on normally with, you know. I am making Big Decisions in life and big changes. Theres a lot of things i would have liked to have done that ijust cant do any more. Resham khan and her cousin, jamil mukhtar, suffered face and neck injuries when the acid was thrown through their car window. She and her cousin were attacked with a corrosive substance. Left with life changing injuries. The petition calls for the law to be changed. They tried to drive off, crashed the car in a fence and this manjust ran off. I was trapped in the car, in the burning car. Then i got out through the drivers side from where my cousin had run off, and then we spent the next 40, 45 minutes screaming and looking for water. Iran around, i think, the a13 in my underwear, on my 21st birthday. I think i blogged, honestly, for a bit of self help therapy, you know. I still have not received any therapy or counselling or anything along those lines so i think getting my thoughts out to somebody, even though it was anybody, helped a lot because it made me confront my own feelings. Also i did get a lot of messages in regards to the way i was being so public and how i was helping other people and i thought if i was helping others, why notjust continue and make it accessible, a bit more easily accessible for people to see. You do not need to waste any time or effort working on your outside because you should be concentrating on your inside. Your inside. Everything becomes a struggle these days, from morning until night. If im not waking, up im in pain, if im not in pain, im struggling with make up. If im not struggling with make up, im struggling to find something that covers the marks, or im debating whether or not to cover them. I think if i have more than ten minutes an hour to think, things get difficult real quick. So i try to just keep busy or keep distracted. Im aware that keeping distracted in the wrong things could lead me down the wrong path so i try to keep level headed. Im treated a bit differently now. You know. I used to be that person that felt attractive and knew they were attractive so i used to like completely own that. Spending my money. Its a birthday. Before this all happened to me, i had a very clear idea of where i wanted to be in five years. Happy birthday to you. I knew where i wanted to be in the future. And now i feel like, although im trying to stay on a good path, i have no idea where life is going to take me. At first, i got down about that. But now im just trying to find the good in it all. I was extremely happy when acid was made an offensive weapon. To me, that was success. But no one was particularly thrilled about when it was banned from under 18s buying it. We all kind ofjust thought, why are under 18s already allowed to buy corrosive substances . Although it was something we were campaigning for, for the whole of the uk, my attacker, for example, was not under the age of 18. I think in terms of making changes in the justice system, people in this country shouldnt just be concerned with this country. I realise its such a global issue and its made me wonder why people are so concerned with the things happening on their doorstep, as opposed to all around the world, you know. What difference does it make if it happens to me and if it happens to somebody 4,000, 5,000 miles away . When i look in the mirror, i see a constant reflection of what happened on my birthday. I have half of the old me and half of the new me. Im not sure if i should be happy about that, about having some part of me saved. Or if i should just hate the thought of being tormented with the before and afters. Since being attacked, my view on beauty has changed because instead of looking to be somebody else, im now trying to look the best version of me. If i could speak to the attacker, i would then ask him why he threw acid over us and ijust pity him, you know. His violence, in a split second destroyed my life, my cousins life, his life, all the lives and it was just never worth it. Theres just nothing to say to somebody that ruins everything for themselves. Quite a remarkable woman. 0ne quite a remarkable woman. One of the bbcs 100 women of 2017, a list of inspirational and innovative women. You can see the list on the website. Weve reported on the plight of the rohingya people many times this year. Weve brought you their horrific experiences of violence, rape and murder in myanmar at the hands of government soldiers. The government of myanmar, a predominately buddhist country, claims the rohingya people are Illegal Immigrants from neighbouring bangladesh and has denied them citizenship, leaving them stateless. As a result, theyve become the fastest, largest majority ethnic refugee population in human history. Theyve fled their homes and crossed the border to the safety of bangladesh. There are now over half a million refugees at the camp there. Its the biggest refugee camp in the world and its where disease and malnutrition are spreading. Lets talk now to dr ian cross. Hes a doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres who has just come back from bangladesh where he was helping to vaccinate hundreds of thousands of refugees. This is his first british tv interview. Hello. What are you vaccinating people against . Measles. When i first arrived in the camp two months ago we had six cases and i thought this is going to be disaster. These people are crushed together in a very dense population. Measles spreads extremely quickly. We did not have permission to vaccinate until about three weeks ago when we got permission. 0ur bosses said, we are going to do 300,000 vaccinations in 12 days. I said, you cannot do 300,012 days. Well, they did not, they managed 170,000 vaccinations. Imagine how many needles, syringes, the organisation, getting the vaccinations add to people in account that is 3000 acres of march with no roads. It is difficult to get supplies to the far ends of the camp. Remind people what measles can do to the body . We have had three deaths. It starts off with a rash on the forehead and the face and moves down the body. If you are lucky it will go into your lungs and you get pneumonia and it affects your guts and you get diarrhoea and that is what kills them. We are seeing 20 children a day with severe, acute malnutrition. If they got me goes, they would not have the resilience to overcome the infection. I will ask you about malnutrition in a moment. You also sought tetanus which is something you had not seen for decades. 40 yea rs you had not seen for decades. 40 years since i saw a case in britain. We saw seven cases. A few children with neonatal tetanus. This is caused by infections of the umbilical cord. But also a few older children as well. The problem is the rohingya have not had any systematic Vaccination Coverage for decades, they have been denied health care. Unicef provided clinics and tried to do vaccination there but it has not been enough. Explain to our audience why you found it challenging to differentiate between little boys and little girls. I found it very strange when i looked at the children and i thought i cannot tell if it was a boy or a girl. They were all wearing boys clothes. Then i found out the parents had cut the girls hairand had found out the parents had cut the girls hair and had dressed them like boys because they were frightened the soldiers would rate them. We saw a few cases of under ten little girls who had been raped. We saw almost 100 cases of rape and sexual pilots in the hospital where i work. Girls under ten being raped by soldiers before they fled myanmar . Yes. It is awful, it is appalling. It is soul destroying. Absolutely and it is not the only horrific thing. One of my patients had a club foot and he was not able to walk. When the soldiers came into the village he had to crawl out of the village he had to crawl out of the hut. The soldiers caught him. They did not execute him, they shot him in his club foot. What horror is that trying to broadcast to the rohingya people . We have got power, we can do anything we like to you. Tell us about the grandmother who i think you manage to reunite in that camp, which is the biggest refugee camp, which is the biggest refugee camp in the world, hundreds of thousands of people. She had become separated, what happened . We are talking about 620,000. I come from leicester and that is two lesters, huge amount of people. At night they do not want to have torches because the soldiers might see the light and they mike shooter then, the soldiers are based on the myanmar side. U nfortu nately are based on the myanmar side. Unfortunately this family lost contact with their grandmother as she was coming through the forest. She had had a stroke and she had ca ta ra cts she had had a stroke and she had cataracts so she could not see clearly a nd cataracts so she could not see clearly and she was abandoned. The next morning she woke up and she was being eaten by dogs, wild dogs in the forest. Luckily there was some un personnel who were patrolling the area looking for stragglers. They found her and brought her to our hospital and after a few days after we sorted her out and bade her co mforta ble we sorted her out and bade her comfortable in her family we sorted her out and bade her comfortable in herfamily appeared. She was reunited and they would just delighted. When you say hospital, do you mean hospital . It is like a Health Centre with beds. When we started at the beginning of august we had 50 beds and 250 people coming in with gunshot wounds, mine blast injuries in the course of a few weeks, so we realised we had to expand and we moved up to 81 beds. This means putting up a bamboo structure with plastic roofing. We do not turn people away. 0ur paediatric ward has 16 beds but we often have 30 plus people in there. We have mattresses on the floor, two families share the same actors. We do our best. What are People Living in and under . What sort of shelter . When you come across the border you are issued with bamboo and plastic sheeting. You break the bamboo poles into fine rods and you stretch the plastic over those rods like a sheet and you put those together. They will not withstand heavy rain. You are building on mud and they wash away in the first monsoons. If there isa away in the first monsoons. If there is a cyclone, we are in really big trouble. You talked about seeing 20 children are they suffering from malnutrition. Just describe what a five year old child looks like if they have malnutrition. Very thin and stunted as well. There are children who are maybe six months and two and a half and the child looks hardly any different from six months to two and a half years, only one kilogram difference in their wake. We measure them by weight and we do their length and we make a calculation and we do mid arm circumference. It can be green, yellow allred and red is the worst kind. So it is here. Yes, mid to upperarm. Ifi kind. So it is here. Yes, mid to upper arm. If i did kind. So it is here. Yes, mid to upperarm. If i did not kind. So it is here. Yes, mid to upper arm. If i did not have my tape, i could use my finger. So the childs upper arm fits into that and they are malnourished. Those children were not malnourished, they we re children were not malnourished, they were ill and malnourished. We had to sort out pneumonia, diarrhoea and whatever conditions they had. When we got them to a reasonable condition medically they could go on and have further food supplements. Do you think, 0k, and have further food supplements. Do you think, ok, this is myjob, i have got to get my head down, i have got to get on with it . Are you affected by it . On day 14 people died. Iam affected by it . On day 14 people died. I am a doctor, i am used to people dying. I am the last line of defence. I am thinking i am doing everything i can for these people andi everything i can for these people and i am not good enough. Self doubt. But then i realised, you are here, you have got to do your best and you just get down to it. It is easy being a doctor because you have a practical skill to offer. If you sat at home and thought about what happened to these people, you would feel powerless to do anything. Iam would feel powerless to do anything. I am lucky i have got the skills to be able to do that. You are not a politician, you are a medical professional, what has to change . I have not met any Rohingya Refugees who have told me they would be willing to go back to myanmar. They would rather stay in the filthy camp with plastic walls and roof rather than go back to the killing and the torture they suffered there. It was just heartbreaking. And the torture they suffered there. It wasjust heartbreaking. Thank and the torture they suffered there. It was just heartbreaking. Thank you very much for talking to us. We really appreciate your time. A doctor back from bangladesh. We will cross now to the house of commons where Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt is responding to President Trumps decision to name jerusalem as the capital of israel. 0ur position on the status of jerusalem is clear and long standing. It should be determined in a negotiated settle m e nt determined in a negotiated settlement between the israelis and palestinians and jerusalem should ultimately be the shared capital of the israeli and palestinian states. In line with relevant Security Council resolutions, we regard East Jerusalem as part of the occupied palestinian territories. We share President Trumps desire to bring an end to this conflict. We welcome his commitment to a two state solution and note the importance of his clear acknowledgement that the final status ofjerusalem acknowledgement that the final status of jerusalem must acknowledgement that the final status ofjerusalem must be subject to negotiations between the israelis and palestinians. We encourage the Us Administration to bring forward detailed proposals for an israel palestinian settlement. To succeed, the Peace Process must be conducted in an atmosphere free from violence and we call on all parties to Work Together to maintain calm at a crucial time. Thank you, mr speaker. Thank you for granting the surge in question and i welcome the opening remarks. Granting this urgent question. For all of us in this house and beyond who have worked tirelessly for lasting peace in the middle east, yesterdays decision took a hammer blow to the hopes. There is a reason that before yesterday no other country would locate their embassy injerusalem and no other country would recognise jerusalem as israels capital because to do either thing let alone both confers legitimacy on israels occupation of East Jerusalem, both confers legitimacy on israels occupation of eastjerusalem, and not patient with no basis in international law. The sheer recklessness of that decision needs no debate. Donald trump is not crying fire in a crowded theatre, he is deliberately setting fire to the theatre. Then he has the unbelievable cheek to claim he is doing it to move forward the Peace Process when in reality, he is setting it back decades. As usual, as with the muslim ban, the paris agreement, the orang deal, the question for the uk government is, first, what are they going to do about this mess . The iran deal. How will we work with our other allies to fill the void . Secondly, when will the government admit they have got their strategy with donald trump have got their strategy with donald tru m p totally have got their strategy with donald trump totally wrong . They told us that holding his hand and hugging him close, indulging him with the offer of a state visit, that was the best way of shaping his policies. 0n jerusalem, as on so many other issues, they have been made to look like fools, ignored, weeks, entirely without influence. When will they realise bending over for without influence. When will they realise bending overfor a bully only encourages that behaviour . What our country and the world needs is a British Government prepared to stand up British Government prepared to stand up to him. I thank the right honourable lady for her comments and questions. I agree that a difficult consensus has been broken. The honourable lady is right, the International Consensus around the status ofjerusalem International Consensus around the status of jerusalem has International Consensus around the status ofjerusalem has been one of the things we have all held on to it during a period when the ultimate settlement, the final settlement, has yet to be agreed. It has always been seen as part of the process at the end of the negotiated settlement, then the status of jerusalem would be confirmed. The us has taken a decision about itself and the location of its embassy. I think in answer to herfinal point about the uks position towards President Trump, we make it clear we disagree with the decision, the Prime Minister has said it is unhelpful, it is not a decision we would take. We have to decide what we do know. The first thing we can do and we have co sponsored a meeting tomorrow at the Un Security Council when this will be discussed, we have co sponsored it with European Partners because it provides the opportunity to take stock of where we are and how to move forward. There are two opportunities, one is just move forward. There are two opportunities, one isjust to move forward. There are two opportunities, one is just to dwell on this decision in the us which people will for a while, and just leave that sitting there, the other is to decide what we do now. I think it is imperative that the work the envoys have been doing, the president s invoice, they have shared with the number of partners, we need to see it, and more quickly than people anticipated the president s envoys. The process has to move on. If the process was derailed by this, it would compound the unhelpful as of the decision. That is what we want to talk about. In terms of the longer term relationship with the us which she mentioned, a relationship is very deep, defence, intelligence, security, trade, a multitude of things, it has done for centuries, it will go on for centuries. We respect an elected president , but we know the relationship with the us is much deeper and the uk will continue to honour the relationship in its many forms. Alistair burt, foreign 0ffice minister. We also heard from emily thornberry. The leader of hamas is calling for a Popular Uprising following President Trumps recognition of jerusalem uprising following President Trumps recognition ofjerusalem as israels capital. As Alistair Burt was making clear, britain does not support the decision. The fate ofjerusalem is one of the most challenging issues between israelis and palestinians. Gabriel gatehouse explains why. In 1948, when the jewish state was gatehouse explains why. In 1948, when thejewish state was born, israel proclaimed jerusalem its capital, but on the ground, the city was divided into western and eastern sectors. Israel controlled the west, jordan administered the largely palestinian east, including the old city. Then came the war of 1967, in six days, the same time it took the god of the Old Testament to create the world, israel redrew the map of the world, israel redrew the map of the middle east. The shape of the current conflict has its roots in that historical moment. Israel seized the eastern part of the city and expanded the city limits. Under international law, eastjerusalem and expanded the city limits. Under international law, East Jerusalem is occupied territory and the palestinians want to see it become the capital of a future independent state. In 1995, Congress Passed an act requiring the Us Government to move its embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. Since then, every six months, every president has deferred that move on the grounds of national security. President 0bamas successor promised to put an end to it. This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do. It is something that has to be done. And with that, at a stroke, many diplomats fear americas crucial role as peace broker has been fatally undermined. 0ur middle east editor, jeremy bowen is on the plane to tel aviv. As he boarded the plane, i asked him if President Trumps hope of ending failure in the middle east is realistic. I dont think its particularly realistic because while a lot of israelis are very happy about this announcement, a lot of palestinians werent. If you want to make a deal, you have to have something both sides like. Does it signal then he values a middle east peace deal less than he values us relations with israel . Well, he says he really does value a middle east peace deal but i think what he really values for the time being is keeping an election promise to move the us embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem and also, i think close relations with israel are a real priority for him. While hes said a lot of things which he may have thought sounded 0k about two state solution and so on, you can see from. It is not just it is notjust from the palestinians but people around the world, it is only mrtrump and but people around the world, it is only mr trump and his supporters in america and israel, and a lot of israelis think it is perfectly 0k foran israelis think it is perfectly 0k for an embassy to be injerusalem, most israelis would say that. So i think as a result of all of that, it makes any kind of future peace deal, and there is no Peace Process right now and hasnt been for a long time, it makes any kind of peace deal harder to get. Some are saying, look, this could be a good approach to the Israeli Palestinian Peace Process because nothing anybody has tried for 20 years has worked . Maybe hes going to surprise us all because theres a suggestion that in the new year, they are going to unveil their middle east peace plan, his son in law. Jared kushner, has been working on it, travelling around the region, and, you know, perhaps theres going to be some sort of surprise and perhaps the announcement he made yesterday is part of a quid pro quo in israel. But, you know, i think people would take him much more seriously on the subject of peace if he wasnt so loudly one sided in the way that hes been. Fawaz gerges is professor of International Relations at the London School of economics. Hello. What do you expect to happen next . What i fear is that trumps move could put gaza into a raging fire, provide a spark triggering a fire, provide a spark triggering a fire in the arab israeli conflict. Hamas, a Palestinian Resistance group, is calling for another intifada. Iran and its allies calling for armed resistance. There isa calling for armed resistance. There is a rallying cry in the arab and islamic world. Remember, victoria, jerusalem is not just islamic world. Remember, victoria, jerusalem is notjust sacred for the jewish people, it is sacred for the dues, the christians and the muslims. What i fear the most is this particular move is seen as the struggle that trump is changing the conflict between the palestinians and israelis from a nationalist struggle over a piece of land into a very dangerous. Even though he offered. He said again, he is committed to a two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian issue and he insisted it did not prejudice final settlement. Look. You do not believe not at all. He is a destructive. If he was serious about the Peace Process, 0k, west jerusalem is the capital of israel, fine, but why not say occupied East Jerusalem is the capital of a future palestinian state . Why not offer a vision about a two state solution . Did he say anything about the palestinians . No one is saying west jerusalem is not the capital of israel, everyone is saying that the city itself is contested. In fact, the international community, international law, it argues East Jerusalem is an occupied city. Why ta ke jerusalem is an occupied city. Why take sides . The situation. It is a minefield, the cultural minefield. We know President Trump s son in law has good relations with the crown prince of saudi arabia. How significant is it that saudi arabia has also condemned this . M you asked me what donald trump has done, he has undermined americas allies in the region, the saudis, the jordanians, egyptians. Allies in the region, the saudis, thejordanians, egyptians. He says he wants to create a coalition against iran, this is the best gift donald trump has given to iran because for a long time iran has been saying, armed resistance. Now it takes the Higher Ground and the saudis and the jordanians it takes the Higher Ground and the saudis and thejordanians and egyptians are terrified because it provides ammunition and motivation for iran and its allies in the region. Isnt that arab worlds chief preoccupation at the moment the fight against isis and wars in yemen and syria . You are correct, the middle east is imploding. Why pour gasoline on and in raging fire . Another major spark for the conflict . Why now . Why play with fire . That is exactly what we are talking about. Let us resolve the raging fires, put out the fires, instead of creating a new one. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. The accounts of Bath Spa University have shown that its departing vice chancellor, professor christina slade, received more than £800,000 in pay and benefits in herfinal year in the post. It is one of the smallest universities in the country. In the 2016 17 academic year. Professor slade received a £429,000 compensation payment for loss of office. Thats on top of a salary of £250,000 as vice chancellor. She was also paid £129,000 in pension contributions, Housing Allowance and other benefits, taking the total to £808,000. The university has defended the pay packet, with a spokeswoman saying, having ta ken legal advice, the university paid professor slade a sum which reflected her contractual and statutory entitlements and was considered to represent value for money. She said the salary was the decided bya she said the salary was the decided by a Pay Committee. This comes only ten days after the vice chancellor of Bath University announced that she would be stepping down in 2019 after complaints from students and staff about her pay. Joining me now is the general secretary of the university and College Union, sally hunt. Hello. What do your members make of this . It is another example in a long line of University Leaders who seem to have lost the plot. It is nothing to do with the University Leaders, it is the Pay Committee. Nothing to do with the University Leaders, it is the Pay Committeem is everything to do with a leader who accept a pay packet and i have to remind everyone two thirds of vice chancellors either sit on the remuneration committees. She did not sit on that committee. Or accept payments that come from committees where the vast bulk of them will not publish the reasons why they are giving these pay rises. We are worried about the fact the University System is being brought into disrepute. The members represent have below inflation pay rises done across the table, through trade unions and collective bargaining and their leaders are not doing the same thing. It is the same thing in the university of bath, southampton. It is happening right across the country. The implication is the statement from the university is the statement from the university is they took legal advice and this was the cheaper option. is they took legal advice and this was the cheaper option. I suspect the legal advice is telling them that they have signed a contract and they are bound into this. The question is why they thought this was good value for money in the first place. We are talking about an enormous amount of money set against stu d e nts enormous amount of money set against students with very high levels of debt, start finding their pensions are being attacked, knowing they have a system under real pressure. The point i keep coming back to is leadership. It is about showing you are doing what you are asking your staff to do. If you are asking your staff to do. If you are asking your staff to do something in terms of pay and pensions, you should be doing the same thing. What has happened at bath is another example of vice chancellors doing one thing for themselves, which is nice, and the others. You will know that the argument is in a global marketplace you have to pay these kind of salaries in order to get the best people. Yes. Yes. It is the vice chancellors who are putting forward that argument. Frankly i do not believe it. If we are in a system thatis believe it. If we are in a system that is taking public money, funded by stu d e nts that is taking public money, funded by students going into debt, you have to have a rational, reasonable level of pay. If you want to own megabucks, go to the city, go somewhere else. This is about academia, education, Public Service and public duty at its most basic level. That is not about saying i wa nt level. That is not about saying i want large amounts of money. I represent brilliant people queueing up represent brilliant people queueing up to do these kind ofjobs, i do not think we would have a problem, i just do not. But could they do those jobs . Of course people are queueing up jobs . Of course people are queueing upfora jobs . Of course people are queueing up for a package like this, but in the end you are running a business. You have got hundreds of staff, thousands of students and you are at the top person. What is interesting about this debate is we are ending up about this debate is we are ending up scrutinising individual salaries and the reason we are doing that is because there is no transparency. We have been asking for some kind of pay register that shows where people are paid and what they are paid. We have asked for transparency in terms of decision making, we have asked for students to be on those bodies so we understand it. If you get the process right, you stop having the argument, which can be a bit tacky, about individuals. Change the make up of the Pay Committees and publish the minutes of those meetings when they conclude what they are going to pay their vice chancellor . And what we have said to the government and whatjoejohnson the government and whatjoejohnson the minister in charge of this has said is we need to have some system that says where you are paid over a certain amount you have to explain why. I think that is reasonable and that deals with all senior pay which then starts dealing with other wider issues in terms of the quality of pay between men and women and minorities. If you do not have clear, open systems, we know, and it is not just clear, open systems, we know, and it is notjust in academia or my sector, it is across the board, things happen that are not justifiable or explainable. Until that happens, lets assume it does one day, until that happens, you are clearly appealing to bosses and vice chancellors and the heads of organisations in a Pay Committee offers you an absolutely thumping some with benefits piled upon benefits, you do not have to take it all is that what you are saying . I am saying show leadership and part of leadership is doing what you are asking your staff to do. I accept that you have people who have to ta ke that you have people who have to take tough decisions and have to manage large budgets and organisations, they should be well supported. What i do not accept is that should be completely divorced from the people they are representing and managing that those people feel there is no traction there and there is no recognition and respect for them. Yes, i am asking for is a absolute i would say politeness, and that is a polite way of putting it, to your staff. If they are taking a hit, do the same thing and show leadership. Thank you very much, the general secretary of the universities and College Union. Lets talk about waiting times in a e and Martin Milton got in touch with us and he was watching the programme earlier. His mother spent approximately how much time in a e . Because she became a failed discharge, that is the technical term, it was 21 hours the first time and ten hours the second time before she was admitted finally. Talk us through the first trip. What happened in that 21 hours . Part of the problem was excruciating back pain and we sat in the outside waiting room for several hours on shares when we moved through the doors into where observations were taken. She sat for eight hours in total on a chair before they could find a trolley. This exacerbated the back pain. It was very busy and you cannot complain about that. But this system is collapsing. She was left like this and was left with no care, people did not have the time to look after her. It was very distressing for her and distressing for the family. Presumably you saw medical professionals under pressure trying to do their best . Yes, but they do not do their best. This is one of my concerns. Without speaking at any individual what you get is people saying, 0k, individual what you get is people saying, ok, i have got the nose, i will be back and they do not. We we re will be back and they do not. We were told she had to be admitted because there were these problems. After 21 hours when we finally got admitted the nurses have got a different summary and they said she was going home. Got the notes. That is very distressing. And dangerous. That is a fair point. The very next day there was another ambulance. As i say she had been admitted finally. What is the solution . At the moment i am in the middle of a complaint to the hospital. I will also be writing to my mp and the Health Secretary. It is not as if individual staff are problem, they are not, they are doing their best, but they are stressed. They were lovely with her and that is important and now she seems to be getting all the bits coming together which is lovely to see. But these policies that mean in that area they have just closed down services and expect miraculously other services to pick it up, it is not working. I am not complaining about my situation. We were in line ina45 about my situation. We were in line in a 45 person queue on saturday, 45 people in distress. Even after being seen by the staff, and i do not know what else the staff can do, they say, what do what we to do . Without naming the hospital, where are you in the country . I in kent. I am in london, but my mother is in kent. We wish your mother all the best. Thank you. Thank you. Astronomers have discovered a huge black hole, one of the oldest and most distant ever observed. The black hole is more than thirteen billion light years away from earth and could give clues to some of the earliest moments of the universe. The lead research team, from the Carnegie Institution for science, says light detected from the quasar dates back to only 690 million years after the big bang when the universe was beginning to emerge from a period known as the dark ages just before the first stars appeared. Im joined now by doctor fiona fpeirits, Research Fellow at the university of glasgows physics and astronomy department. I cannot get my head around 13 billion light years, explained that. We struggle with that as well. It means the universe is only about 5 of its current gauge and this object we we re of its current gauge and this object we were detecting was created when the light was emitted from it. Pretty far away. We have not got masses of time. Tell us how you found this black hole. Just a telescope. Just a really impressive telescope. Just a really impressive telescope and Technology Base in one of the universities in the united states. You can see the light from it. I am trying to imagine the scene. Is that one person or are there several scientists . Do they say, is that what i think it is . How does it work . You have lots of people working on these projects at all Different Levels from professors through to phd students. They have time on these telescopes to make observations and they have huge amounts of data at the end of it and they spend time going through the images and the spectroscopic measurements and trying to piece together what it is they can see and come up with the conclusion that this must be a supermassive black hole. How can looking at a black hole. How can looking at a black hole briefly and finally tell us about what happened 13 billion years ago . We cannot travel there, so we are relying on the light that we can see from it and it is a snapshot of what the universe looked like back then and we can forward map it into how the universe evolved into what we see today and potentially where it will evolve to in the future as well. Amazing, thank you so much for telling us about it. Amazing, thank you so much for telling us about it. A Research Fellow at the university of glasgows physics and astronomy department. Thank you for all your m essa g es department. Thank you for all your messages today, particularly about a e waiting times. We are back tomorrow at nine, have a lovely day. We have got potentially destructive weather over the next few days. There is an amber warning in scotla nd there is an amber warning in scotland with gusts up to 90 miles an hour. Elsewhere, the wind is easing, but it turns much colder as the afternoon goes on and that cold air comes the afternoon goes on and that cold aircomes in and the afternoon goes on and that cold air comes in and the showers turned to snow over the high ground in scotla nd to snow over the high ground in scotland already, but down to low levels this evening and into Northern Ireland, wales and north midlands. Ice is a big risk across the northern half of the uk into the early hours of friday. 0n the northern half of the uk into the early hours of friday. On friday snow will move its way into north wales, the west midlands, Northern Ireland and scotland. 10 15 centimetres accumulating locally by the end of the day. If you have not got snow, you will have sunshine, but it will feel cold, temperatures feeling like minus two. This is bbc news. The headlines anger in the arab world. The leader of hamas calls for a new intifada after President Trump recognises jerusalem as the capital of israel. Tear gas is fired on the streets of bethlehem this morning to disperse demonstrators. The government says it is optimistic an agreement can be reached on the irish border, as pressure mounts on theresa may to find a brexit deal. We are going to get on with the job as quickly as we can and try to find the right way forward. Im in no doubt that in the coming days, if there is a will to find an agreement, an agreement will be found no matter weather it is day or