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BBCNEWS Afternoon Live November 29, 2017

Pa rd ew yes, good afternoon. He is. Alan pardew appointed as the new manager of west brom with a two and a half year deal. And ben stokes is down under. We will let you know how close he is to playing some part in the ashes, maybe. Thanks, hugh. And its chilly out there thomas schafernacker, getting any warmer . Cold for the next few days, and in the countryside tonight it could dip to 60 the countryside tonight it could dip to 60 minus seven degrees. Thank you very much indeed. 6 minus seven. Also coming up how to stop millions of tonnes of perfectly good food being needlessly thrown away. Hello everyone this is afternoon live im ben brown. What will be the final price of the brexit divorce bill . The haggling has gone on for months, but now its understood the governments offered a significant increase in what its prepared to pay between 40 50 billion euros, we understand. The hope is that a deal on this brexit bill will finally trigger crucial trade talks. Eu leaders will meet soon to decide whether the uk has done enough and offered enough for those talks to start. Our Political Correspondent leila nathoo reports. She hopes she is on her way to the divorce deal, after rounds of meetings, more money now on the table to leave the eu. It is understood that could be up to 50 billion euros, paid over a number of years, to allow trade talks to begin. The government wont get into specific numbers but insists the uk will meet its financial obligations. The Prime Minister is going to go forward to the European Council with a think a very fair offer, and what we want to see is progress towards the second phase of the negotiations, and thats really what i think everybody now wants to do. For now, the eu is refusing to confirm anything has already been agreed. Do you welcome britains position to pay more, mr barnier . We are still working. What does the uk have to pay for . Things that we signed up to as eu members that have not yet been delivered, including investment projects in poorer regions, pensions for eu staff, and guarantees of loans to countries like ukraine. It wasnt so long ago brexiteers we re it wasnt so long ago brexiteers were talking tough on money. Now it appears some are prepared to think longer term. As we leave, if you compare the two together over a a0 year period, even on the net terms, that would amount to about £360 billion saving to the uk exchequer as we leave because we will not make contributions after that two year period. Getting money back from the eu was one of the main pitches of the leave campaign and now remainers claim voters were mis sold. They never said there was going to be this big bill to pay and secondly we are not seeing the central pledge that they made in that campaign to win it, to persuade your viewers who voted leave to vote leave, it is not being delivered on. The divorce bill is just one of three areas on which brussels wants to see sufficient progress before allowing talks to begin on a future trading relationship. Eu leaders will meet in a fortnight to formally decide whether britain has offered enough. Money may no longer be the sticking point, the focus now is on the irish border. They are inching towards a breakthrough but there is still a long way to go before the shape of britains departure becomes clear. Leila nathoo, bbc news, westminster. Our chief Political Correspondent vicki young is at westminster for us now. We saw the foreign secretary in that report. Not that long ago he was saying the eu could go and whistle if it wanted a big settlement . Thats right, and thats what many mps here, particular those on the remaining side of the argument point out. It is a difficult moment for people like Boris Johnson, out. It is a difficult moment for people like borisjohnson, promising millions could come back to the United Kingdom and go to the nhs, instead they say we will now have to fork out billions. I have been talking to some other so called brexiteers, they make the point, one said to me this is a pinprick of money compared to what we have paid to the eu in the past and what we would pay to the eu if we continued oui would pay to the eu if we continued our membership beyond 2019. Kirsty blackmanjoins me our membership beyond 2019. Kirsty blackman joins me from the snp. Dont they have a point . If we stayed in the eu we are paying a net 10 billion a year so we would be handing over this money anyway . Absolutely, if we stay in the eu we have to pay a contribution to be pa rt of have to pay a contribution to be part of that club at the benefits we get are unbelievable. So notjust in terms of the Single Market and customs union, much better ability to trade on studies have shown for a Free Trade Agreement, services, you do not get the level of Services Trade you doing Something Like the Single Market. So things like that. Also things like the universities, the horizon 2020 programmes, all the benefits we have of that and of immigration. The Construction Industry in london, for example, one third of the workers from the eu. We get all of those benefits, even though we have to pay a contribution. Its a worthwhile contribution. Its a worthwhile contribution to play for the pay for the economic benefits we receive. If this extra money, so called divorce bill, if that was conditional on a Free Trade Agreement, would you go along with it . I dont think we should pay the divorce bill because i dont think we should come out of the eu. Yellow pensions may be, which we are obliged to pay . I think we should stay pa rt of obliged to pay . I think we should stay part of the eu. I think what the government has totally failed to do is to be transparent about how much money there is, what its for, where its coming from as well. There was a budget last week and the chancellor said nothing about this money and hes made, hes not said where its coming from. Were asking for the chancellor to put forward an emergency budget to explain where this money is going to come from, so that we know which Public Services are going to lose out as a result of the chancellors government of my decision to pay bill. And you are and others being slightly disingenuous question on this wont bea lump disingenuous question on this wont be a lump sum of money, this is over many, be a lump sum of money, this is over any be a lump sum of money, this is over many, many years. Some of it is stored the pensions of people who have worked, british people who have worked in the eu. That will be paid very much into the future. This is in one lump sum that will be going out of the Office Next Year . Thats a thing, we dont have the transparency, the government havent said what time period or how much its going to be. They happens at the time period it will be paid for and how much of the obligations weve already committed to an much it is punny money as part of the future trade bill or to allow a to the transition period. None of those things have been made clear. If the government is going to do these things, the first thing it should do is come and Tell Parliament. If you come and Tell Parliament all of the ramifications of decisions, and it should be absolutely clear whether money is coming from and which Public Services are going to be impacted as result. Of course, this isa impacted as result. Of course, this is a negotiation. Maybe you should expect the government to openly tell everybody what is going on. This is not necessarily the final figure, the government saying this is all speculation, all about negotiation, to move on and talk about the next level which is trade talks . M to move on and talk about the next level which is trade talks . If the government was honest with us and told us exactly what was happening and exactly how much they were committing too, there wouldnt be speculation. The other thing is, the eu has been much more open about their negotiating position than the uk has. As far as i can see, the their negotiating position than the uk has. As faras i can see, the eu has conceded very little and the uk has conceded very little and the uk has conceded very little and the uk has conceded a lot. Perhaps the negotiating tactics of the uk government are not working particularly well. We must leave it there. Thank you very much indeed. After Prime Minister s after Prime Ministers questions this afternoon the Prime Ministers spokesman was asked about this and he said it was speculation and also said that the talks are ongoing, nothing is decided and, crucially, when asked whether this money would be conditional on some future trade deal, he said its important that nothing is agreed until everythings agreed. Many thanks indeed for that, vicki young. Dont forget, you can let us know what you think, tweet us using afternoonlive. All the ways to contact us on screen right now. President trump has used his twitter account to share inflammatory videos which were were posted online by the deputy leader of the far right group, britain first. The footage purports to show muslims committing acts of violence. Many have ta ken many have taken to social media to criticise President Trump for spreading hatred. The labour mp chukka ummuna has called for mr trumps uk state visit invitation to be withdrawn. Lets talk to our correspondent Richard Lister. He has been taking a closer look. Mr trumps use of twitter has caused consternation, surprise, ever since he became president that this is taking it into a whole new direction. What exactly has he reaped retweeted . Direction. What exactly has he reaped retweeted . A bizarre thing to share. Three videos, as you say they were posted originally from the account of the deputy leader of the far right group, britain first. 0ne pushing a boy of a roof and beating him to death. It turns out after an investigation from the press association this is a video taken in 2013 in alexandria in egypt, in which several men were pushed off a roof. 0ne which several men were pushed off a roof. One man was executed for murder as a result of that. Another retweeted video says is a muslim destroying a statue of the virgin mary. This came from you tube more than four years ago and was posted saying that was what had happened but gave no context. Impossible to judge exactly what the situation is. The last is a video saying it is a muslim migrant beating up a dutch boy. This was posted on a dutch viral website earlier this year. There were two young men charged in relation to this bad in all reporting there was no mention of the religion of any one of old. It is very and clearly circumstances under which these videos came about. And it is completely unclear why the president would want to promote them. What has been a reaction to them. What has been a reaction to the fact he has re tweeted this . Quite a furious reaction, is very measured on from the mayor of london who said it is a hateful organisation whose view should be condemned and not amplified. Another said trump has legitimised the far right in his own country and now its trying to do it in hours. Spreading hatred has consequences and the president should be ashamed of himself. David lammy, the labour mpfor of himself. David lammy, the labour mp for tottenham said he is no ally 01 mp for tottenham said he is no ally orfriend of ours, talking about donald trump. You are not welcome in my country, in my city. This will feed into the debate about is expected visit to the uk next year. Lots more reaction to come but for the moment, thank you, Richard Lister. Its the nightmare scenario north korea in possession of Nuclear Weapons that can reach the us mainland. Well pyongyang now claims its a step closer to that with the successful testing an powerful new intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Paul adams reports from seoul. The face and the voice of north korean defiance. The announcer with news of pyongyangs latest and boldest missile test. Kim jong un photographed giving the order. I approve this test launch, he writes. For the party and the country, courageously fire. This was the 23rd missile test this year. The first since mid september. It took off in the early hours of the morning north of the capital, pyongyang. It flew for 53 minutes, landing in the sea 600 miles away. Crucially, it flew higher than any previous missile. 2,800 miles up into space. Experts say this means north korea now has missiles capable of hitting almost anywhere in america. After a pause in testing that lasted 75 days, this is a stark reminder of the determination of the north Korean Leader to pursue his nuclear and missile programme. Todays statement from pyongyang that the programme poses no threat to anyone provided the countrys interests are not infringed, will come as little comfort. A missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. I will only tell you that we will take care of it. A fresh challenge for President Trump and his administration. Little doubt here that this represents something new. It went higher, frankly, than any previous taken. Its a research and Development Effort on their part, continuing to build Ballistic Missiles. They could threaten everywhere in the world. Koreas president on the phone to donald trump this morning. The test took his government by surprise and he called it a reckless provocation. South korea responded with a missile test of its own, but warnings, threats and pressure appear to be having little effect. Kimjong un says north korea now has its own nuclear force. A bold claim but only partially true. He has the bombs and the missiles putting one on top of the other and making it work, thats still some way off. How worried should we be . With me now is paul ingram, executive director of British American security information council, an independent think tank promoting Nuclear Disarmament and transatlantic security. First of all, does this take us a step, does it take pyongyang a step closer if they wanted to to firing a missile that could hit the mainland United States . It certainly is an indication they are well on their way, and as paul said of your clip just then, they are a step closer. But we just dont know. It would be complacent to say that there are a long way off. I think we are probably looking at months, a large number of months, 2a, 36, rather than many years to them being able to launch and deliver a Nuclear Warhead on to the us. Technically, the problem for them is they have the problem for them is they have the missile and warhead, the trouble is the warhead on the end of a missile means the missile has a lower range. So we dont know if the missile could been launched yesterday and could have hit the us if they had put it on a different trajectory would have gone far enough if it had had a warhead on. The other problem is the warhead coming into the atmosphere undergoes a huge amount of challenge, technically. It could blow up beforehand. Then there is the a ccu ra cy beforehand. Then there is the a ccu ra cy of beforehand. Then there is the accuracy of the missile. So all these things are technical challenges the North Koreans, we suspect, still have to overcome, but i think it be complacent to sit back and say nothing to worry about. I think it be complacent to sit back and say nothing to worry aboutm you are writing is 2a, 36 months away whatever it is, the United States, what is their position . They cant allow that to happen, can they . To live under that threat . Donald trump said, we will take care of it. How do they do that . Politically its extremely difficult. It is problematic now because we dont know but it is quite likely the North Koreans could deliver a Nuclear Warhead on south korea, japan or other us allies in the region. They already have a Nuclear Deterrent in the United States, i think. Nuclear deterrent in the United States, ithink. Whether we Nuclear Deterrent in the United States, i think. Whether we know will not, the dow should be enough to stay the hand of the us president in launching any nuclear attacks. We are now in a deterrent situation and that needs to be accepted and then we need to engage in talks. There have been no serious talks with the North Koreans since president clinton was in power 17 years ago. The Bush Administration walked away the moment it was elected. This is what we need to do. We dont know what we need to do. We dont know what the North Koreans want out of such talks, because we havent engaged in them. Would it be possible to compromise with someone like kimjong un . Possible to compromise with someone like kim jongun . It is possible to compromise with everybody. There are a lwa ys compromise with everybody. There are always common interests. The other thing that has to be acknowledged as the current state of the Nuclear Weapons world globally is not a sustainable one. It was all is going to be the case that a regime like the North Koreans, or others, were going to acquire Nuclear Weapons and we we re going to acquire Nuclear Weapons

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