Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171129 : compa

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171129

Report. And nominated for best newcomer at tonights mobo award. Well talk to london born rapper young bane. Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until am this morning. If you voted for brexit, let us know if this bill for billions of pounds our so called divorce settlement is a price worth paying to leave the eu . And what about the size of the bill . Who set that out clearly during the campaign ahead of the Eu Referendum . We would love to talk to some of you on the programme. You can e mail me or send me a message on twitter. If you are texting you will be charged and there is facebook and whatsapp. Our top story today, the bbc understands that the government has offered the European Union between a0 and 55 billion euros, as the financial settlement to withdraw from the eu. Its become known as the brexit divorce bill, and has been one of the main sticking points in the negotiations. Previously, theresa may has suggested that the uk was willing to pay 20 billion euros, but there have been calls from brussels for that to be increased. Norman is at westminster. So they have upped the figure. And what an enormous sum of money. Its going up and up and up. We started off during the Referendum Campaign being told we would be quids in. It would be brussels giving us money back. £350 million net for the nhs. Then we had mrs may in her florence speech just a few months ago saying actually, we will give you maybe around 20 billion euros. Now, all the indications are we could be paying in the 40s. We dont have a specific figure, vast amounts of speculation in some of the papers. Here we have the guardian, uk faces £50 billion divorce bill. Similar story in the times. Britain to pay eu bill for decades. Thats because we may not know the final sum that were going to pay for many, many years to come and the reason for that is were not going to hand over a wadge of cash and say, here you are, here is £40 billion. This will be a sum assessed every year looking at our liabilities every year and may not be paid off until really many, many yea rs be paid off until really many, many years time. So calculating the final figure years time. So calculating the finalfigure may be years time. So calculating the final figure may be extremely hard. Havent been helped this morning by the good people of brussels, we had Michel Barnier arriving for work, saying pretty much ziltho. Have a listen. Reporter do you welcome britains decision to pay more . We keep working. I thought that was almost a shrug of the shoulder. What of folk here . Well, you might expect brexiteers to be angry at the amount we are thinking of giving to brussels. They are, whether they are going to kick up are, whether they are going to kick up over it is another thing altogether. They seem to suspect that it altogether. They seem to suspect thatitis altogether. They seem to suspect that it is brussels that has put this figure out here to try and bounce mrs may into accepting it. In other words, it is a crafty ploy to get mrs may to up the stakes. 0thers are pointing the finger of blame at mrs mays chief negotiator, 0liver robins saying he has been rolled over by the eurocrats. You listen to chris grayling, transport secretary and prominent brexiteer. He said the priority has to be trying to leave the eu on good terms. Priority has to be trying to leave the eu on good termslj priority has to be trying to leave the eu on good terms. I dont think it isa the eu on good terms. I dont think it is a question of putting figures on it at this moment in time, we said we will fulfil our obligations. It is right and proper over a 40 year of membership you do build up liabilities. We want to walk away with good relation and remain good friends and neighbours of the European Union. Of course, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, but we accept there are obligations we built up and we will meet them as the Prime Minister said. So what can we day for definite . Well, one, we are going to end up paying a lot more than the 20 billion euros that mrs may flagged up billion euros that mrs may flagged upa billion euros that mrs may flagged up a couple of months ago in florence. Two, we do seem to be inching towards a deal at the crucial december summit. When you look at the mood music surrounding this summit compared to the one in 0ctober where we were told you have not done enough, you cant move on to trade talks, this time there is a different feel and i think there is almost an expectation, perhaps not quite, that we will get the green light to move on to those crucial trade talks. Thank you very much, norman. Some messages from you on that, ben anderson says, anyone who voted leave should be hiding under a rock. Its shameful. Ministry of matt says, i would like you to explain what the £40 billion is for. 0therwise what the £40 billion is for. Otherwise you are pushing the lie that its a ransom. We will do that. Dont worry. We will talk more about this through the programme. Let me know your views whether you voted leave or remain. What do you think of the size of the amount thats being talked about . Do you wa nt to thats being talked about . Do you want to be told the specific figure ora want to be told the specific figure or a more specific figure rather than the sum between 40 and 55 billion euros . Is it worth paying that money to leave the European Union . Many of you will think it is. Let me know your views. We would love to talk to you on the programme. Now the news with anita. North korea has carried out another Ballistic Missile test its first for two months. Pyongyang says the missile which landed injapanese waters is a new type of weapon and its most powerful yet. Experts believe that north korea has demonstrated for the first time that it could now hit most of the american mainland. President donald trump was briefed while the missile was still in the air. Thank you very much. As you probably have heard, and some of you have reported, a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. I will only tell you that well take care of it. We have general mattis in the room with us, and we had a long discussion on it. Its a situation that we will handle. A 15 year old boy has been charged with causing the deaths by dangerous driving of three children and two men who died in a collision in leeds on saturday. The teenager is due to appear at Leeds Magistrates Court this morning. All five victims were in the car when it crashed. The youngest were brothers aged 12 and i4. Police have appealed for information. Lawyers for a man found guilty of murdering a mother and daughter in kent in 1996 say theyll release significant new evidence today that casts doubt on his conviction. Lyn russell and her six year old daughter, megan, were attacked as they walked along a quiet country lane near the village of chillenden, south east of canterbury. Although there was no forensic evidence linking him to the crime, Michael Stone was convicted, largely on the strength of a disputed confession to another prisoner. 0ur correspondent wyre davies has this report. It was a notorious murder. A brutal, unprovoked attack in the kent countryside, on a family walking home from a School Swimming gala. 45 year old lin russell and her six year old daughter, megan, were killed in the frenzied hammer attack. But nine year old josie survived, despite suffering terrible injuries. Michael stone, a known criminal and drug addict, was arrested a year later in 1997 and found guilty of the russell murders. Hes serving a life sentence, but has always protested his innocence. Theres no forensic evidence against stone and he was convicted on a disputed confession to a fellow prisoner and stones legal team say they now have compelling, new evidence linking this man, levi bellfield, to the russell murders. The killer of schoolgirl millie dowler, amelie delagrange and Marsha Mcdonnell is serving two full life terms and many say bellfield has committed dozens of similar serious crimes. The similarities youve got are, a woman, a blitz attack with something heavy like a hammer. Just those features make it an extremely rare crime. I think in the absence of other facts, he would be a good suspect. Two decades after the appalling russell murders, lawyers for the man convicted of the killings will today release new evidence that the bbc has seen and which they say means his case must now go to the court of appeal. The government is considering breaking up two of the countrys biggest train operators as part of a new rail strategy. The franchises are Great Western and gtr, which combines southern, thameslink and great northern. Ministers are also exploring the possibility that some of the lines closed during the 1960s could be re opened. They say new rail lines can unlock jobs, encourage House Building and ease overcrowding on the existing network. Apple says it is working to fix a serious bug in its most recent mac operating system. The flaw in the high Sierra Software makes it possible to access a mac computer or laptop without a password and gain powerful administrator rights. A restored white fiat, crowd funded by residents in a town in poland, has finally arrived in the us, destined for the actor tom hanks, as a birthday present. One of his fans, monica jaskolska, who is from the town where the classic car was made in the 1970s, noticed the stars enthusiasm for the model and decided to raise money to send him one. The car was shown off at a party for the stars birthday injuly, with money left over going to the local hospital. I hope he appreciates it. Im sure he will. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Pete wood says, i voted leave, but if it costs more to leave than remain, iam prepared if it costs more to leave than remain, i am prepared to admit i was wrong. Lj remain, i am prepared to admit i was wrong. L] says, it is a joke they are demand ago ludicrous sum of money. Im not convinced that walking away would be so bad now and we can use the money to rebuild. Someone has replied to her who says, how do you know this isnt a ludicrous amount of money . A good question. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Hugh is here. Ben stokes has landed down under. What chance of him getting involved in the ashes . M down under. What chance of him getting involved in the ashes . It is a slim chance. We will see how things go with ben stokes over the coming weeks. The first ashes test didnt go well, a ten wicket defeat in brisbane. You imagine england will need all the help they can, but will need all the help they can, but will ben stokes be coming to their rescue. He has got closer to his team mates in australia. He is under investigation following that incident outside a bristol night clubleg. The ecb allowed him to play in new zealand this weekend. He was flown out and greeted by his parents as he arrived in christchurch overnight and it sparked plenty of back page stories that stokes could be nearing an england return. He was missed in the defeat at the gabba. Police havent indicated when the investigations could conclude. Stokes hasnt been charged with any offence. Plenty of the fans on social media are begging the ecb to bring him back, but Andrew Strauss says they have no idea when there will be an outcome. Their procedure means within 48 hours of a decision they could have stokes back in their tea m they could have stokes back in their team and that would be very welcome with an already crucial second test toll come in the early hours of saturday morning. Lots of midweek premier league action. Tell us about tottenham in particular . Well, spurs have been lauded for a highly, havent they . The likes of dele alli and harry cane. They had the fanfare tassic win in the Champions League and they topped the group stage, but they may have hit a stumbling block, they may have hit a stumbling block, the one thing his manager and team are missing is a trophy. It doesnt look like it will be the premier league because it isjust look like it will be the premier league because it is just four points from the last 15 available for them. They were beaten 2 1 last night at leicester. The manager says his team must improve. They could be 16 points behind Manchester City if they win tonight. Jose mourinho, well, he wasnt pleased with his players despite Manchester Uniteds 4 2 win at watford. Ashley young helped put them 3 0 up before two late watford goals made for a late finish. Jose mourinho said his team should have been Smoking Cigars managerless west brom missed out on their first managerless west brom missed out on theirfirst premier managerless west brom missed out on their First Premier League win since august. They gave away a two goal lead to draw 2 2 with newcastle. Johnny evans own goal making that harder to take. Englands women played last night. Are they any closer to finding a replacement for their coach who was sacked, mark sampson . Well, interviews for his replacement will take place next monday. Their interim head coach has given her case a boost. It is two wins and one lose in her three games in charge. Inspired by chelsea fran kirby. Mel lawlel scored a goal. England turned it on after the break. They scored four goals in 12 minutes. Substitute kirby grabbing a penalty. England have a game in hand over the group a leaders wales. Northern ireland beat slovakia 3 1 in theirgroup. It Northern Ireland beat slovakia 3 1 in their group. It should be a good qualifying campaign in that group for england and wales. More from hugh throughout the morning. Its 9 15am. Figures seen by this programme suggest that some Hearing Centres are twice as likely as others to allow Asylum Seekers to remain in uk. 0ne immigration case worker has told us the situation is so severe that some lawyers have lied about the address of their client to get their case heard at a different location. The shadow attorney general Shami Chakrabarti says the stats are very upsetting and called for an investigation by the government. Catrin nye has this exclusive report. Catrin nye has this exclusive report. They would arrive in court, and they literally do have supermarket plastic bags stuffed with papers. That is completely unacceptable in a humane democracy. Well, i do know of cases where people have lied about their address. Its not a measure that ought to be the norm in the way that we operate, in the way that we run our judicial system. The government has a responsibility to investigate. What do you do with your days while youre waiting . I go out to the seaside, walk. I like to be alone most of the time. Mohammed is 21, and has been in the uk for four years. He lives in portsmouth, and is seeking asylum here because he says he was forced to flee his home in homs in syria. His initial asylum claim failed, and so did his appeal. I didnt feel like somebody support me, you know . For example, the solicitor, she doesnt do her proper work for this case. The court was as well unfair with me. Mohammed says he has not had a lawyerfully engage in his case at any stage in the asylum process so far. At his appeal hearing, he met his appeal representative just half an hour before the hearing. She said i didnt have time to read it before, because i didnt get there. We went, and after i get there, we were after just called. When i came here, there was one man from the home office, he said to me, youve come to the right place. And now you get all your human rights and everything. And to now i didnt feel like i get any one of my rights of life. Mohammed now has a new legal rep, laura smith, and is putting in a fresh claim for asylum. And looking at the evidence, why do you think hes failed in the past . Probably a whole group of reasons. Luck and getting a bad judge and not having someone who fought the case sufficiently for him. There were mistakes which the home office made, where they said that hed answered questions wrongly about syria, where hed answered them correctly. That was never picked up by his lawyers, and that was never picked up by the judge, despite it being just a simple issue that could have been clarified very quickly. Weve been investigating the results of asylum appeals across the uk, and through freedom of information requests to the ministry ofjustice, have found big variations in the number of successful appeals depending on which Hearing Centre theyre at. Just a quick scan down this list shows you huge differences in results over four years. Taking two centres that handle lots of cases, both in london, at harmondsworth 24 of appeals were successful. Taylor house, it was 47 . And the variations exist across the whole uk. Newport, 44 successful. Yarls wood in bedfordshire, 21 . Bradford, 41. Glasgow, 28. Weve removed the now unlawful fast track appeals from this dataset, so you are now comparing a like for like process across the uk. For this investigation, weve spoken to more than 20 people that work in asylum to help us interpret the data. Lawyers, academics, judges and charities. We cant give one single reason for this massive variation, but access to good legal representation and a differing culture at different Hearing Centres are the two things that come up again and again. We also know from one further freedom of information request that the centres with the lowest numbers of appeals allowed also have high numbers of people with no legal representation at all. Katrina jarvis is a former asylum tribunal judge. She says shes seen many people turn up their hearing with nothing more than a pile of documents. They would arrive in court, and they literally do have supermarket plastic bags stuffed with papers. And they come and sit in court and put them on the desk in front of them and look at you. And then to try to piece together what kind of a case person might have and what it is that they want to do. Do they want me to try and hear their case now . Do they want to go away and get a lawyer . Have they got a lawyer whos not there . Have you helped people as a judge in a way that others may not . Ive on many occasions helped, i hope, people are pointed them in the right direction, e

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