And the french magazine le point, bronwen maddox, director of the institute for government, international the portuguese writer eunice goes, and henry chu, International Editor of variety. Good to have you with us today. Michael fallon was britains defence secretary in more ways than one. The minister in charge of the armed forces was also the first man over the top when political flak started to fly, the safe pair of hands when the government needed a reassuring presence at the microphone. Those hands and that voice cost him his job this week. He resigned abruptly because, he said, his behaviour towards women had fallen short of what modern life dictates. Hes the most prominent political casualty of the campaign against men using power to extract sexual favours which began with claims against Harvey Weinstein, one of the most powerful figures in hollywood. He is under criminal investigation. Michael fallon faces no such allegations. The only thing he said he had done wrong was repeatedly put his hand on a woman journalists knee until she told him she would slap him if he did not stop, and that was 15 years ago. She says it was not a problem to her, she says it is no reason for him to resign. Is this a nervous breakdown at westminster . There is more in the newspapers about what he may have done, in different circumstances. Westminster isnt only one of the places where the Harvey Weinstein allegations have triggered a whole. They have empowered people, mainly women, not entirely, to say inappropriate behaviour that happened in the past, i was a victim of this, it is unleashed all this. To me, some things make it particularly feverish in westminster one, the very nervous state of politics at the moment. A very weak government, finding it hard to maintain discipline. This is notjust about conservative but labour as well. But it is a febrile atmosphere and mps themselves are very afraid. Boiling up and away but it also has something to say about the very peculiar working conditions at westminster. The abuse of power within very undefined and Old Fashioned working relationships. There is not recourse in a lot of these cases if you have a complaint against an mp, who do you make it to . They are like little fiefdoms. And the parties are not very good at policing this. I want to keep reputations as clean to the outside world as they can be. All that is boiling up. It is a legacy of some quite Old Fashioned, distinctly weird employment practices, when you look at it. The compensation has been this is the power of patronage, so intertwined. Complication. Yes, and in the past, this has been used, the list we have been talking about, this was drawn up by chief whips and they were using this information to discipline mps, to twist their arms, make them vote in the direction the Party Leadership wanted, rather than using the information to say, this behaviour is not on. There is really a culture, a profoundly disturbing culture masculine, some scholars would say referring to a really distasteful abusive culture towards women, towards younger employees, occurs it has also affected young men, young researchers. That reflects the wider culture in which we live. As bronwen mentioned, this is a result of the lack of rules. There is no recourse, there is no Hr Department in the house of commons that can issue guidelines. And it is also the result of not enough women in the house of commons. When you have more women, when you have gender parity, within a chamber, the culture of the chamber changes because women feel far more emboldened to say, this is not on. But men also behave better, they know that actually very certain behaviour that cannot be accepted. Is that something unique to the british political system, how would this pair with what has happened in france . Exec to the frame in france but in france, you had people not saying anything because no one will listen. You had a privacy law instead. That privacy law allowed people to do terrible things. I remember, when i was at le monde, the main job was to cover the minister of finance. There was a sexual predator, they reported constantly to the editors, and they said, cant do anything, he is a friend of mine. He is a friend about. That was Dominique Strauss kahn. If something had been done then, we would not have had that incident. The incident in new york. So it is exactly the same. It creates a culture in which you cannot say anything, in that case because the law potentially protects you, but in the case of westminster, actually, it has sometimes suited the political organisations not to have this exposed. Or they have been discussing using it for internal purposes but not exposed publicly. Does that make it credible when they now say, we will now have there needs to be independent procedures, meeting on monday to discuss attentional code of practice. I think she is right, there needs to be an independent body of standards, and a body for complaints. There is something, the ibsa, that was set up after the expenses scandal, that deals only with pay and expenses, the standards it was taken out of the remit at the last minute by mps. Ipsa. Now i think we need an independent body on behaviour and on this hr function. And working practices, things have changed tremendously in the last 20 years, the late is, where staying late at night, in the last 20 years, the late nighters, where staying late at night, drinking and so on, that led to really unsavoury things happening. And so, the working practices, the working culture of the house of commons, the way it should work it should be more like a normal place of employment, where actually, that encourages good practice. This is an interesting intersection between politics, the world westminster and the world of hollywood, two sectors where these are hothouse environment, the gatekeepers to power are very few, and so, potential for abuses of that power are very great, and the mechanisms for reporting are very full tea or non existent in some case. Your magazine has been reporting the Entertainment Industry since the days of vaudeville. Journalism is complicit in some of this, the culture has been known about, hollywood coined the phrase the casting couch, and yet the unsavoury side of this has not been exposed. Journalists bear responsibility but it was very hard to get people to go on the record with these accusations, you do not want to come forward with unsubstantiated stories. What i find discouraging about these scandals in politics and entertainment is they are nothing new, in the us, i remember the Clarence Thomas anita hill hearing and he subsequently was appointed to the supreme court. We had Dominique Strauss kahn. Over the years. They seem to burst into the national conversation, you think there will be measures taken to combat and there is not. As the hashtag metoo gone far enough . Has it gone too far . Speak to any young teenager, female teenager, and they will tell you that this kind of behaviour is part of their daily lives, and this is not on, it is not pleasant, it makes people feel devalued. And in this. It is part of culture where women are seen as objects, not real persons, who have rights and their own integrity, where their bodies are discussed and at the disposal of the public. This is part of a very strong and pervasive culture. It has not gone far enough and it needs to extend. The french president s have all been sexual predators, they have all been elected, and nothing came out except when they were dead. I think it can go too far, in the sense of accusations against people who. In circumstances where there is not really power or employment or something involved, look, i feel oppressed by this. The nature of this, there is going to be exaggeration. I dont think that in itself it is a bad thing compared to the huge value. Taking this to westminster, we have at the first signs of a pushback, one conservative mp who has not been accused of anything, one of the veterans, saying, there is a danger of a witch hunt, other mps, a conservative mp, who had the governing party whip withdrawn, otherwise he cannot sit as a party representative, because of serious allegation that the party passed to the police, he said, the media told him, he was not told. There is a potential problem here. Talking about duty of care, there is a potential problem. Yes, i think there is, you do not want to see a political career, and a lot of stress and risk over the years, going up in smoke because of something that is not proven and may never be properly tested. I think this is where procedures really matter, whether it goes to the police. You want something else, short of the police, to investigate these things and set some of them aside, because it is in the nature of that. That is where it is important to have procedures in place, also to protect the people who are falsely accused. Every scandal, there will be a witch hunt, it was the same with Jimmy Saville at the bbc. I think there should be a right organism in this. Is there a danger for the Prime Minister in this, if she is seen to readily to hand over her mps to this kind of environment, some will have done things where they deserve to be handed over, but some mps are contesting claims against them, this becomes another problem for her as a Prime Minister perceived as weak. Now people saying, she is not even on our side. The greatest danger would not be seen to be responding properly. The second greatest danger is to lose key people, that she really needs, she is in a weak position but having said that, this is a scandal that goes right across all parties, equally balanced allegations. She has done the right thing by saying, we need a body in parliament and we must meet next week. We all are what happened with the expenses, where, as soon as it was set up, mps will start complaining, that is what happened with the independent expenses body. And that is equally a danger here, but we need a political earthquake for these institutional cultural changes to happen, they do not happen incrementally, you need trigger offence to fall smack of force these changes. Will it happen in hollywood . I think it is, the Snowball Effect of the allegations has wrapped in so many other figures, no longerjust Harvey Weinstein, kevin spacey, also brett ratner, another producer, so i think these are really beginning to emerge. And the understanding that this is no longer a way to keep operating in hollywood. The rise of the chief whip, the arch fixer in politics, Michael Fallon was replaced by the chief whip. And the rise of the chief whip, the arch fixer in politics, is the story arc for the american tv series house of cards. Sex allegations against kevin spacey, who plays whip turned president frank underwood, appear to have brought that show, and its fictional presidency, to a premature end. The prospects of donald trump seeing out his real life president ial term had looked threatened by the appointment of Robert Mueller. The special prosecutor has spent months examining allegations of russian collusion in the Trump Campaign. On monday, he filed charges against former members of the president ial campaign team, allegations of Money Laundering unrelated to the us president ial election. Henry, donald trump was quick to point out that this all dated two before he even entered politics, it is to do with money from ukraine. Can he relax now . First of all, hes right in saying this had nothing directly to do with his campaign but he ran on a platform of saying, i know how to pick good people to be surrounded with and we are going to drain the swamp, we have a swamp creature who has emerged from the mark. Mukh. Muck. Paul manafort, what has happened is significant in two ways Paul Manafort, formercampaign chairman, and another campaign person, rick gates, and. They are done up on charges that are quite grave, they carry the threat of heavy prison sentences. Robert mueller is putting out the signal that, look, im going after the big fish, too, and the pressure that is now on them, to sing injail house parlance is now far greater. And now we have george papadopoulos. He has admitted to lying to investigators, pleaded guilty to that. He has done a deal, a lighter sentence. Yes, and he has said that he met with russians who promise to give dirt on Hillary Clinton. Beyond that, Senior Campaign officials encouraged him to have these meetings. Again, Robert Mueller is saying, i know what you did last summer and it is time for you to Start Talking you have worked in washington, you know how the system operates there are, it is still a long time from saying there is a smoking gun that proves there was a conspiracy involving the Trump Campaign and the russians. Yes, it is a long way but i think this matters for several reasons one, these prosecutions, these investigations will be going on next year, through the spring and summer, right as the Midterm Campaign for congress are getting underway, and i think that could hurt republicans and hurt trumps own standing, republicans may want to distance themselves even more, it will do nothing to help him get things through congress, like tax plans. And, it does make, to me, impeachment that bit more likely. The possibility of it. Very hard in the us system to stop these legal wheels grinding, this investigation is not going away, he will be dogged by it. The threshold for impeachment is so high. Yes but, this legal process, it is not going to disappear. There will have to be a lot of steps. What i find interesting, nigel farage, quite close to him. Former leader of ukip. Back from washington. Saying all this russian thing is a conspiracy. I remember, my first beat was washington, watergate, the same thing that nixon was saying. I think that shows that the thing is not only in the us, this despair, in the white house, going with this conspiracy theory, but also, europe, european angle to the russian thing. The role of russia in the brexit campaign, the role of russia with Marine Le Pen against emmanuel macron, fake news. We need an enquiry about the russian lobby in europe. The former chancellor gerhard schroeder, the former Prime Minister dominique, what was the role of russia in brexit and wikileaks. Also, julian assange, perhaps sharing many of the e mails that wikileaks had hacked. There is a connection there in the ongoing. In the investigation that just started in the United Kingdom about the possible role of russia. The possible role of russia in the leave campaign, the european referendum, in 2016. This is quite massive, but in terms of the american implications, the idea that this administration would drain the swamp and change politics, that is an illusion, and the longer the investigation drags on, the more the reputation. Because we also see the links in the distillation of the entire investigation of the entire trump family and how they are all involved. Interesting, donald trump, this has been about financial charges, at this stage, principally, financial misappropriation of funds, illegally moving money around, lying about it. Donald trump said very early on, when Robert Mueller was appointed, keep well clear of my familys finances. If he takes the view that was indicated there, that he will look at this, is that legitimate or inappropriate . Finances applies to Paul Manafort and dates, but not george papadopolous, that was about talking to russian operatives who were promising a political score over an opponent. Now we are looking at jared kushner. The son in law of donald trump. Yes, in an investigation about the russians, not about family finances. This is where it gets more dangerous for donald trump. It is not facing his supporters, which is remarkable, his support among his base and many republicans remains strong. They seem to dismiss this in a way that, if we performed a small thought experiment, if the same array of people around Hillary Clinton were accused of these kind of contacts with the chinese, lets say, the promised dirt on donald trump, would we not see a huge outcry from the republican side, absolutely. You were in washington, at the time of watergate, presumably the temptation for some of Donald Trumps allies and supporters will be to say he should fire the special prosecutor, you know. When nixon fired richardson, was done, you do not fire the prosecutor. I remember, the night of the long fight, and so. We may arrive at the same situation. I think the only problem is that the Vice President is hardly any better we will have an evangelical. But he is a predictable one. Donald trump is off on this specific tour, 25 years since a us president last spent this long in the pacific. How important do you think this is going to be to his Foreign Policy . It is a long trip, 11 days, his longest trip, it comes as he has been saying all these things, mainly on twitter, about north korea, leaving the world, notjust asia, very unclear how far he would go. China, really, struggling to know what to make of him, and indeed, to be right about him, in a way, all really doggedly trying to treat him as a conventional us president , finding that increasingly hard. Japan very worried about how much the us alliance can really be counted upon. Japan, in an interesting debate about whether it should build up its own armed forces, explicit debate there, and so. A lot of asia recalibrating relations between these countries, and wondering how much to change their own perception of relations with the us, regardless of what donald trump says. So it matters a lot. We may not get anything much more consistent out of him in terms of what he says but everything he says or does not say is going to be pored over. 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