>> in a way that is actually remember rehencible and disgraceful. >> is it time to shut down fraternities and sororities? >> plus harry shearer? no laughing matter as the new orleans resident talks about how katrina changed him and his city. we begin tonight with donald trump, the republican presidential candidate refuses to give an inch after an angry exchanges last night from univision. instead he's come out swinging. >> yes go ahead. >> donald trump is not backing down. telling nbc's today show univision's jorge ramos was out of line. >> he started ranting and raving like a madman. >> what he describes as ranting and raving like a madman, ramos is described as eun univision's walter cronkite. >> sit down. you haven't been called. go back to univision. >> security then escorted ramos out of the room. >> get out of my country. >> i'm a u.s. citizen too. >> well whatever. >> ramos was invited back in and asked a question. >> how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> i don't believe that. >> there was already bad blood between trump and univision. back last june, it said it would not going to televise trump's ms. universe pageant. he responded with a lawsuit against the company. other presidential candidates about his position on immigration which includes a permanent border wall ending birth i right citizenship. on monday, speaking partly in spanish, jeb bush denounced that part of trump's plan as unrealistic. [ spanish ] >> trump responded by retweeting a follower. bush is crazy, who cares if he speaks mexican? this is american, english. >> story of coming to the u.s. as an undocumented immigrant at four years old was singled out by the president when he unveiled sweeping immigration reform last year, astrid, welcome back. give me your account of donald trump's confrontation with jorge raramos. >> this is the type of conversation donald trump has been having, to talk to someone asking real questions. >> what do you find offensive about his oments? >> icomments? >> what our families are asking for is real world answers. he's not ready to have that conversation about what real policy means. regarding his policies, that's rhetoric that's dangerous for the community. >> his poll numbers as he speaks continue to rise. what does that say about the country? >> well, mr. trump is a reality tv star. he's like the kardashians. when he talks about policy, we had sharon engal, who fund-raised, by talking about immigrants, today she's not our senator and we have someone else. >> what are you hearing in the latino community about what donald trump is saying and his candidacy? >> it is interesting because mr. trump is igniting our community, community that was not paying attention, a community that wasn't involved in what politics were felt disenfranchised. today, more than ever, people not engaged before talking about it because they feel directly attacked. >> so are you concerned that if donald trump is elected president of the united states he's going to try to deport 11 million people from the united states? >> well, it's a concern whenever anybody talks about deporting 11 million people but it's something we have to keep in mind, is that our families really need real answers to these policy questions and we're not getting that. and if he continues to speak about our families, and poses a threat to them, in reality, he's just a side show for what politics has become. >> astrid, good to see you, thank you very much. thank you. >> lennie, welcome to you. give me your reaction to donald trump. >> donald trump is a reality show star and as long as this is a reality show and not a presidential campaign, donald trump is going to be at the top of the polls. and right now we're still in august, just about to go into september. this is still a reality show. >> what's the difference? >> the difference is the type of conversations that you have, the type of analysis of policies that you have and people looking for somebody to be presidential, not somebody that voices their opinion or allows them to feel like they're being heard. right now people want to be heard. they're not necessarily looking for that presidential figure yet because donald trump has been anything other than just bombastic. he has not been stately and he surely in many, many regards has not been presidential. >> is his message resonating with services in your opinion? >> the underlying message for example when you start talking about immigration, you have american citizens that are dealing with this new normal economically. they are frustrated because they feel as though they are being put at the back of the line, versus what undocumented people are going through the line. >> explain. >> a lot of college debt, unable to find work in their career professions meanwhile -- >> what about are they going to pick crops in the field? >> what about the a-1 brchlt vee >> brut what about --isas. >> john, that's a lot of where this frustration is coming from as well not just crop jobs but good paying jobs where people can sustain their families that americans just can't find right now. >> so build a wall, deport 11 million people does that work for you? >> doesn't work for me. i think there are other ways to go after immigration, more sound ways of fixing the immigration crisis we have here. there is something to be said about strengthening the border, it is a national sovereignty situation, making people such as i.s.i.s, al qaeda and people that want to harm americans on american soil don't have the freeway to come from the southern border into our country. >> as a conservative republican, what one piece of advice would you give donald trump for this campaign? >> i think he needs to start moving forward with a policy message that is incremental, that allows him to look presidential, something that can be implemented that can be solution-oriented and not just rhetorical. he has to change the tone and be solution-oriented, not just a guy that says what people are feeling. >> thank you, lennie. >> umpg thank you verrthank you. >> when it is even possible, peebpaul beban is at the mexican border with more on that paul. >> good evening john, we're here on the fence at the u.s. side of nogales. it is both a met for cal and m l divide. can donald trump build a physical and metaphorical line in the sand? >> this fence is built of he steesteeland concrete. it would be impossible to get through but people do manage to get across this border one way or another. they climb over, tunnel under. in fact last year when i was filming another series about the border, we saw two climb over this fence and back in no time at all. we assume they were drug-runners. take a look at it. >> wow, he just shot right over. >> donald trump says he'll stop young men like those and any others who are trying to cross the border by replacing the fence by a wall. he'll call it the great wall of trump. he said the name may be a joke but he's serious about building the wall. let's take him seriously. is building a wall almost 2,000 miles from the pacific ocean all the way to the gulf of mexico even possible? let's look at the facts and the fence. so we're driving along the border east of nogales now, the fence is scrolling by mile after mile. during the 1990s and especially since 9/11 the u.s. spent billions to massively beef up bother security, and as far as stopping illegal crossings or stopping terrorists, it's really not even clear what it's gotten us. along the border there are about 670 miles of border fence in sections about a third of the border. and according to the government accountability office depending on the terrain and the type of fence, its costs anywhere from $200,000 to $15 million per mile to build the fence. the total bill for that 670 miles, about $2.4 billion. trump says his wall would be bigger and even more secure than the current fence so it's safe to say it would cost many times what's already been spent. that $2.4 billion, that was just to build the fence. it costs hundreds of millions of dollars more every year to maintain it. then there's the $3.7 billion we spent on 21,000 border patrol agents, keeping them in the field like that guy. so the reason that border patrol agent is parked up on that hill, he's probably there 24/7 this time of year, is this is a riverbed. it's monsoon season here in this part of arizona that means very heavy thunderstorms, huge volumes of water coming through a place like this. so they've built the fence with flood gates they keep open to let it through. and all they have here is two little strands of barbed wire between u.s. and mexico. very easy to come over but impossible to build a wall in a spot like this. and the border patrol says you don't actually need a solid wall because this is where the ruggedness and the remoteness of the terrain does the job for you. but experts say perhaps the strongest argument against the wall is it doesn't address the biggest part of the illegal immigration problem. and that's because the majority of the people who make it into the country illegally do it through ports of entry, they use forged documents or hidden spots in vehicles. is trump able to build his wall? as we've seen probably not. would it make very much of a difference? we're not sure. all we know it would cost an extraordinary amount of taxpayer money. john the experts we have tawn td to about this is the number one impenetrable barrier would simply be to drive more people toward those ports of entry, as i mentioned, where they would cross through those ports using forged documents or hiding in vehicles. and unless we are will to stop every single vehicle, inspect them and slow that border crossing into a crawl, people are going to make their way through there, it's almost impossible to stop them, john. >> paul, we know it would cost billions, we don't know how many. but how would donald trump pay for it? he said the mexican government would pay for it right? >> add first he said they would pay for it simply because "president trump" would tell them too. enrique pena nieto said no we won't. he says they will impound the money people here from mexico are sending home to their families. he says raising tariffs, he said he's raised this money one way or another. bun get we're talking really an untold sum to build this kind of barrier and he has not given any admonish specifics about what he thinks it might cost. john. >> paul beban on the border, thank you. a rally this afternoon on wall street. the dow rose 619 points, up nearly 4%. in asia, where the spiral began, it continues. the shanghai composite slumped another 1.3% following two days of heavy losses. today's losses follow stimulus from china's central government. coming up. a virginia journalist and her camera man, shot and killed on camera. what we're learning about the suspect. and the time to end fraternities. ernities. >> we're learning more tonight about the horrific on camera murders of two tv journalists in virginia. reporter alison parker and adam ward were doing an on camera interview. ftc john terret is in virginia with the latest. john. >> the alleged shooter vester lee flanagan used a glock pistol to carry out the shootings. we're told he bought it illegally back in july and according to a manifesto he released, two hours after the sheeghts, he was drawn to do the sheeghts after the shootings that took place in south carolina. everybody in this part of the world knows everybody else. the television station, wdbj is a very small operation. it's big for this area and it's watched by a lot of people but it's basically a family run small tv station. they're live truck can be seen right now just over my shoulder. so john the work of alison parker and adam ward was known in this community and the news of their death, is beginning to resonate in the community. 6:45 a.m., alison parker and adam ward were on the air but never saw it coming. vicky gardner was being interviewed and never saw it coming. at the station, confusion. >> all right, we're not sure what happened. we'll legality you know. >> the reality they just witnessed the murder of their co-workers. >> we're all in a state of shock. you can hear people in the newsroom crying. it's just really hard to -- it's valley lard to even comprehend. >> the station's general manager confirmed the stunning news. >> i cannot tell you how much they were loved. alison and adam by the wdbj 7 team. our hearts are broken and our sympathies go to the entire staff here but also the parents and family of adam moore and alison moor who were just out doing their job today. >> the suspect through a series of online postings revealed to be vester lee flanagan, appearing on camera as bryce williams who was fired in 2013. >> after many instances of his anger coming to the fore we dismisshim, and he did not take that well. we had to call the police to escort him from the building. >> flawflanagan posted a video. al jazeera chose to show only one image from that video. a plan fess toe wa manifesto shy raciallying motivated shooting at charleston, south carolina. and the gunman who killed 12 students and a teacher in colorado in 19 final. in poot note addressed to the authorities, vester said he was the victim of bullying an basedn race and sexual orientation. >> based on what was taking place there, in was some forethought as to the chain of events that would happen. >> police finally caught up to flanagan during a highway chase which ended in this field. >> i exited the vehicle and we are approached his vehicle. >> what did you find? >> the victim was the subject of a self-inflicted wound. >> when he hears news like this it breaks hit heart. john. >> all right, john terret, thank you very much. the gunman in the colorado movie theater shooting was sentenced, today, given the maximum, multiple life sentences plus 30 years in prison. erica pitzi has the story. >> it is the court's intention the defendant never set foot in free society again, the judge said, adding if there was ever a case that warranted the maximum sentences, this is the case. with that many people in the courtroom cheered and applauded. >> for the first degree murder of alex sullivan -- >> one by one, the court delivered life sentences to james holmes. no possibility of patro parole. for the man who opened fire during the screening of a banman movie three years ago. the judge sentenced him to a life sentence, 3313 years in prison. >> get the defendant out of my courtroom, please. >> the parents of 24-year-old jessica gowe, still wish they knew what drove holmes to go on the shooting rampage that killed their only daughter. >> we don't have all the answers like the judge said but we do know one things he's going to die in prison and for us that's good enough. >> we are very sorry this tragedy happened. >> the only person to testify on holmes behalf was his mother. arlene holmes says her son feels remorse for what he calls his horrible actions. >> was his ability to express his emotions, has been impaired by disease and medication. >> the district attorney does not buy it. >> you heard that guy's mother express the fact that he was remorseful. and i don't want anyone to leave this process believing that for a second. he has never expressed remorse. >> many of the victims' families agree. marlene nade lost her young daughter that night and grief has taken over her life ever since. >> i'm in wheelchair today and i ended up in the hospital with heart problems. all because of james holmes. i would like to thank the jury. i like to really thank them. they did a good job. >> now one juror did believe holmes should have been spared the death penalty and since colorado law requires that decision to be unanimous, holmes ended up with life in prison. holmes lawyer said he will not appeal the sentence in order to spare the families another emotional trial. >> sexism, racism, why some are calling for an end to college fraternities. and racist political fliers that are now circulating in michigan. michigan. in in >> hi everyone, this is al jazeera america, i'm john siegenthaler. racist sexist greek system being pushed nationwide. who is voting african americans out of politics in a racist city. ten years later. >> we need some shrimp. >> katrina devastated his shrimp business bus he's back and determined to succeed. and so is new orleans. plus my conversation with harry shearer. comedian, master of voices and big easy resident, talks about new orleans and the road to recovery. >> a former prep student accused of raping a stunt took the stand in his own defense. owen lebreeze took the stand today.about prosecutors say there's a culture of sexual intimidation at elite boarding schools. the defendant said, there was no sexual intimidation. >> we took our sweat shirts off. i mean it was like sort of playful. they weren't big big kisses, they were small, we both leaned against the wall, she would lean against me, i would lean against her. >> lebreeze's accuser testified against him and the trial is scheduled to begin tomorrow. heated debate over whether fraternities should exist at all. lists of reasons to ban them only gets longer. roxana saberi reports. >> message was clear, this is the place to be if you want sex and a good time. the pictures hit the internet and the president of old dominion university in norfolk, virginia called it an outrage. the fraternity suspended all activities pinning an investigation. signs were offensive. >> the action he taken by a few individuals this week certainly do not represent the positions of old dominion or its students. >> earlier, the kappa delta rowe fraternity, all this at a time when one in five women report being sexually assaulted while on college campuses. >> no man has a right ever to raise his hand to a woman. period. end of story. >> the numbers prompted a white house task force to study the issue. but the concern about fraternities is not just about sexual assaults. ♪ ♪ bloops ♪ (bleep) ♪ ♪ >> shut down after the video of a racist chant by some of its members went viral on the internet. >> these people have acted in a way that is absolutely reprehensible and disgraceful. they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves singers. >> there is a long hi history of college hazing, some ending in death, carson starke in 2008, pledging sigma alpha epsilon. >> carson was given a fifth of rum to share with the boy next to him. there was also a bottle or two of everclear that was passed around. >> he later died of alcohol poisoning. pledge week has been eliminated at polytech. but the whole hazing has been eliminated at universities, not just fraternities. criticism for a recently posted, individual he yoas. videos. object objectifies women. >> two women, hadley he rvetionsheese and ibelieve we hy mccleary, welcome to all of you. let me start with you, hadley. what do you say to people who at this point are arguing that sororities and fraternities needs to be closed down? >> i would say just like with any large institution these organizations are across the country, very diverse, you can find examples of bad behavior, scandals, this is true of a lot of other organizations, and institutions. we shouldn't throw out the positive that greek life poses for colleges and universities. i would say for example you could find college athletes often embroiled with some kind of scandal with substance abuse. that doesn't mean we will shut down the sports system because you can find bad actors. >> andrew what would you say to that? >> i would totally disagree with that. we need to accept that these are not isolated incidents. these are data points on a large historical progression of what should be considered an example of the terrible behavior that is produced by the greek system. we need to look at this as a structural system, the system is flawed and we need to repair and replace it. >> hadley was in a sorority, you were in a fraternity. you stayed in for several years. when did you decide it was not agood thing? >> you know, when i saw the hazing from the other side, the disgusting depraved rituals that were performed. when i saw from the position of a brother, i really said there is a huge moral problem with fraternities, too. and we can't overlook that. you know we need to see that these results are -- assemble you were rush chairman at sae? >> i was, yes. >> did that go on while you were rush chairman? >> you know it did and i did see that firsthand and i wrote it in my book, confessions of an ivy league frat boy. considering that view, we need to replace those organizations with groups that are safer for college campuses, especially women. we see time and time again these organizations do not fulfill that criteria. >> jenity you are a consultant with an organization that consults with colleges and universities. what do you say about this? >> this is more than a blip on a radar screen. if andrew is considering getting rid of fraternities and sororities, the right to freely associate is granted to all americans. just to say fraternities and sororities should be band is a short sighted poly-anna-ish viewpoint. beyond just college, the story you reported on the alleged sexual assault, this isn't just a college problem. we need to start educating students much before they get to college about the dangers of rape culture and sexual assault and some of the things that these signs and banners at old dominion and other schools have been promoting. this is not just a sphra alternate problem, not a clejt problem. owners a fraternity problem, not just a sorority problem. >> others haven't heard the message, why haven't they heard it? >> i believe some organizations make efforts to educate their members about alcohol abuse, about sexual assault and about the proper and expected behaviors of their members, reminding them that they are constantly representing not just their organizations but the greek system as a whole. and their universities as a whole. for example, you can take what happened at the sigma nu chapter at odu and the response from odu that this doesn't represent the entire university. my point is it doesn't represent the entire greek system either. so these organizations themselves can take it upon themselves to do a better job to educate their members about the proper behavior of men and women in college. >> andrew you get the last word. >> sure. i think the idea that the fraternity organizations whether on a local level or national level can reform themselves would be as ludicrous as saying goldman sachs should run the sec. there is a large lobby in washington, d.c, frat pack, many trade organizations that defend a multibillion dollar industry. they take $150 million a year in tax free dues to members. out of this disgusting deplorable behavior is laughable. >> it is a discussion we will continue. we appreciate it hadley, gentry and andrew, it's good to see all of you, appreciate it. police in a detroit suburb are looking for whoever is behind a racist bunch of circulars. many residents are outraged. bisi onile-ere has more. >> reporter: the headline is bold. let's get the blacks outs of southfield in november. with the message, let's take back our city on the bottom. the image of two white deputy police chiefs and three other men running in the upcoming election. the fliers started surfacing in the suburb over the weekend. >> it sucks that at this day and time stuff like this still exists. >> trayvon martin, with the words zimmerman was right, we will stop thugs like this. martin was shot and killed by neighborhood watch vownl voluntr george zimmerman in 2012. >> i was born in the '50s. when i see touch like that it's -- stuff likes that it's kind of sick thing. >> a person in a police uniform pointing a gun at a person in the background wearing a white hoodie. >> this is clearly race-baiting. >> ken siver co-found the dr. martin luther king, jr. task force. a grass roots organization that commemorates the importance of celebrating the national holiday. he is also a candidate for the southfield mayor. >> what is your response to people who ask you if you are behind these fliers? >> my response is to tell them i'm not. i believe this is someone who is trying to incite racial tension in our city which we lack, and/or it's dirty campaign trick. >> no matter what the motivation is, this is absolutely despicable. and we will not tolerate it in our community. >> pat haney is president of the mlk junior task. she questions the motivation behind the fliers. >> it may very wells be that there was not done by a right racist individual or organization. but in fact done in order to incite people of color to come out to the polls and vote directly opposite of what the flier purports. >> southfield is a community that prides itself on welcoming people of all ethnicities. days after the flier surfaced many who live here are still stunned. >> when it comes to the city of southfield and the racism it is in the minds of a select few. you know wha want to cause troue or make their point heard trying to exemplify something that does not exist. >> reporter: i'm told there's no evidence linking those racist fliers to the five white men who were mentioned and shown in some of that material. i'm told there's strong reason to believe that the person behind this isn't from southfield at all. john. >> bisi thank you very much. we learned that this week that marci borders died. you may not know the name but you will never forget her image. >> marci borders was the survivor of the september 11th attack. caked in dust she peers into the camera lens with a look of fear and desperation. minutes earlier she was on the 81st floor of the tower when the first plane struck. she was told to stay at her desk but borders made her way outside. that's when the south tower collapsed. she recalls the incident in this interview. >> i couldn't sit there. i was saying to myself and saying outloud that i didn't want to die i didn't want to die. >> borders found shelter inside an office building. that's when this iconic image was captured. her life was never the same after that. borders struggled with alcohol, drugs and depression. she loss custody with her children and then she was diagnosed with stomach cancer. she was only 42 when she died. the world recommends her as, quote, the dust woman. but for those who knew her and loved her she was a mother, sister, daughter. and as one relative said, we lost our very own hero. marci borders. coming up next, katrina devastated his shrimp business. ten years later he is still fighting his way back. >> it's still problems to solve but it's an amazing amazing national treasure. >> my conversation with comedian actor and new orleans part time resident, harry shearer of the government's come back after katrina. katrina. >> i'll have two or three puffs and i'll already have a nicotine buzz. >> of.ne buzz. >> in south sudan today, the president signed a new deal aimed at ending two years of civil war. but many doubt it can bring peace to the war torn inflation. antonio mora is here. antonio. >> at the time, the u.s. hoped that the world's newest nation could become a model for all of africa. but that hope was quickly dashed. ethnic tensions escalated and turned into a full blown civil war. when president salva kiir dismissed his vice president, riek machar. thousands of people have died and 2.3 million people have been driven out of their homes to war camps. now a peace deal hammered out with machar. >> i will sign this document. might i warn you: you original leaders, to stand with us, in the implementation. otherwise [applause] >> we may spoil this left to us. >> despite this agreement, the fighting continue, and we'll look at the conflict, from both kiir and machar about their future. >> thank you top-of-the-line. president obama heads to new orleans to mark the 10th anniversary of hurricane katrina. tonight allen schauffler takes us back to new orleans to meet a shrimper who vowed to rebuild after the hurricane steroid hisd his boat and his business. >> reporter: i was here in louisiana ten years ago covering the aftermath of hurricane katrina. i interviewed joe beach, trying to make sense of what the hurricane had done to his boat and his life. he's still at it, still doing it occasionally and still trying to make sense out of it after these years. >> after i met joe he was cleaning up his boat, the risky business. >> never seen a mess of roots like that after that storm. >> his challenges at the time, the same faced by shattered commercial fishing fleets all along the gulf coast, critically important ice in short supply. cold storages and docks damaged beyond use. >> joe is going to sea. he seemed a fitting symbol for the region, badly battered and tough going back to work with no guarantees of success. >> lord give us some slump. wshrimp.we need some shrimp. if not lot of peoples like me is just one break down away from outs of business. >> ten years later i wanted to find joe and see if his prayer was answered. >> it rained for about almost a month every day. >> really? >> joe and his wife betty still live in the same house in la rose, louisiana, today he gases up his smaller boat and takes us outs. but our pickings are slim this morning. just a shrimp or two and the day doesn't look promising. >> that's i.t. >> a decade ago neither did joe's first run after katrina smashed the coast. >> i catch big oak trees, pieces of houses, bathtubs, washing machines. >> remember i asked what you you were hoping for, you said, hoping the good lord gives us some shrimp. it gave you some shrimp. >> took me about two days but i found them. >> rising fuel and maintenance costs and continuing price pressure from overseas shrimp farm imports made it an expensive gam many. >> half of the business is gone. >> when the deep water horizon blew that was enough to push joe out of business. the risky business sunk on the being banks of the bayou. ready to be scrapped. >> if my wife wouldn't get all bent out of shape, i'd mortgage everything i had to buy me a big boat to get shrimp. >> even with the market the way it is. >> even though i know i wouldn't make no money. >> but there are challenges ahead. katrina ripped apart barrier islands that vent been rebuilt. the gulf is losing low lying habitat. >> these are the chandelier islands. >> studying coastal geology. >> these marshes are going to dismear thadisappear that way. if we lose all our marshes there is no shrimp anymore. >> we used to eat it more often before he started trawling. >> our day ends with a meal of shrimp. he chooses to chase shrimp up to and beyond the grave. >> you're going to put a trawling rig in your coffin? >> yeah. >> just in case? >> just in case. i'm sure the good lord smoke a good cigar once in a while and like a good fried shrimp with a plate of red beans i guarantee you, i believe that. >> allen schauffler, al jazeera near bayou la fouche, louisiana. >> now to other things, harry shearer, comedian, took on another role. i asked him what he expected of the government after the disaster. >> i think all of us in new orleans expected the government which is the u.s. army corps of engineers, to protect us from the maximum biggest hurricane, to protect us from something as large as katrina and they didn't do that. failed in that, the government was looked to having a bit more alacrity in getting aid down here. the corps of engineers new midday monday that the levees were breaking and new orleans was going to flood. lsu hurricane center knew it, and on meet the press the following monday he didn't know until midday tuesday. there was a real information blockage somewhere in the system that stood in the way of this place getting aid as fast as it probably should have. >> you're going to put an ad in the paper i understand. >> it is going to be in tomorrow's new orleans advocate. >> the ad says, dear mr. president, welcome back to new orleans. wouldn't this provide an opportunity for the commander in chief to acknowledge the army of corps of engineers, for the flooding of new orleans ten years ago. as you know, words make a difference. what do you want president obama to do? >> the last time he was here, actually the first time he was here in 2009, he referred to this as a natural disaster, which is to elude any sense of the culpability of the federal government in the near destruction of this city. lawsuits have failed against the corps of engineers because congress provided it with blanket immunity. the only thing we can have now is an acknowledgment by the commander of that agent that they screwed up badly. >> but he wasn't president then. >> i'm not saying he was. but he's head of the agency. if he calls it a natural disaster and avoids saying the words, this city was nearly destroyed by the army corps of engineers i'll be disappointed. >> where does this stand ten years later? >> well, according to bob marshal, a very respected environmental reporter here, the system that has been built has been built to a lower stand than the system that failed in 2005. that previous system was supposed to have been built to protect us against the maximum probable hurricane. this new system that is has been built to protect us against the so-called 100 year hurricane. the reasoning as reported by bob is that the bush administration didn't want to pay for anything more. and the city and state leaders were concerned that they wouldn't get investment back in the city if there wasn't a guarantee of flood insurance and the 100 year storm protection is the minimum required for flood insurance. that's the system we've got. >> why do you think new orleans was forgetten before and is forgetting now? >> john, everything is complex and doesn't have one explanation. part of the problem is the people on the freeway overpast, in the convention center, in the dome suffering on life television were african americans. they were in locations that were really easily accessible by television trucks. ten miles is is miles east of that were on their roofs for four days without food and water. they weren't on television. they happened to be working class white people in st. bernard parish. they were nowhere near a an highway interstate. it's everybody that gets devastated, but that's not how the -- that's not the narrative that became prevalent, thanks to the media, and as a result, i think this event became somehow marginalized. it was those people down -- >> i'm trying to understand. so you're saying that we made this into a racial story when it wasn't a racial story at all? >> i'm not saying it wasn't a racial story at all. there is a racial factor to the ability of people to recover, but the floods were absolutely indiscriminate in terms of where they went. they went to rich neighborhoods. they went to poor neighborhoods. they went to high ground. they went to low ground. i think what the coverage did was take the us-ness out of this event and make it about those people as opposed to this happening to us americans. >> harry, good to see you, thank you very much. >> thank you, john. >> that's our broadcast. thank you for watching. i'm john siegenthaler. see you tomorrow night. the news continues. brp >> refugee recriminations.>> isa has more responsible or more serious than some eu countries and nobody is telling us what to do? >> accusations fly som >> accusations fly. over refugees and what to do with them. border crack

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