Welcome to inside story, its Lisa Fletcher in for ray suarez. Former secretary of state John Kerry Hillary Clinton is secretary of state Hillary Clinton is talking about her plan, ridding college loans, protecting voting rights, but much of that is drowned out by documents and email servers. On the left flank, Bernie Sanderss poll numbers are heading north. He is playing to packed houses from there to l. A. From voters who want to hear what hes saying. David shuster has more. Tonight with the crowd, we are more than 27,000 visitors. As senator Bernie Sanders drew crowds in los angeles, and seattle and portland, a poll was conducted in a crucial primary state of New Hampshire, the result suggesting sanders overtook Hillary Clinton among likely democratic primary voters, 44 to 37. Six months ago when clinton began her cam page, she was pound leading 448. The sanders surge has been growing for months. Its a billionaire class. The message is you cant have it all. Earlier this month, away from the crowds, we caught up with the senator in washington d. C. The beginning stages. We have a long way to go. Whether its a revolution remains an open question, southerneders is clearly gaining steam. In recent weeks his Campaign Says tens of thousands signed up as volunteers. Campaign donations are up, and then there are the crowds. The Portland Oregon rally true 28,000, the biggest event for any candidate. That is what this campaign is about. Its bringing people together. Many say they are united behind the calls for Economic Justice and end to big money influence over politics, others are intrigued by the democratic socialist who seems outside the washington political establishment. Firmly inside that establishment is Hillary Clinton. Thank you so much. The nationwide polls have her in front of sanders, but she continues to face questions on reliance on a personal email and servers used. Tuesday night her Campaign Announced shed hand over her personnel server to the federal bureau of investigation, a dramatic departure from a position she articulated for months. The server contains personal communications between my husband and me. I have met all my responsibilities, i believe, and the server will remain private. It may hurt her politically. When pbs arrived democrats if Hillary Clinton is honnist and trustworthy, 44 said yes, 55 said no. Numbers are worse. This week clintons captain manager sent a 6page memo urging them not to panic still, many urge joe biden to jump into the president ial race, he appears to be considering it. He reached out to several strategists and a decision is expected soon. Meanwhile, the Sanders Campaign is intensifying. This summer he caught clintons lead in the polls in half. In New HampshireHillary Clinton is feeling the burn David Shuster joins us. You had a chance to talk to Bernie Sanders, what is his view of the surge . Bernie sanders has been talking about the issues for a long time. He feels theres an appetite for getting money out of politics and Economic Justice, hes not surprised by that. It happened faster than he imagined. What is he saying is the biggest challenge wright now . The biggest challenge is the infrastructure cant handle, or until recently, the influx of intrigue and interest. Theyve been trying to build up through the social media, to take the tens of thousands that express an center and turn it into field organizers and volunteers, but keeping up, says Bernie Sanders, is the biggest challenge. If people come to the website and campaign, feeling its not ready. Bernie sanders is afraid they may not come back. David shuster, thanks. For more on the race for president. We are joining in washington by tom, a democratic analyst, and michael. An associate professor at howard university. In new york, bryan murray, a go. Op strategist. Ill start out with asking you guys the same question. Obama, the surge of support we see with sanders, is it antihillary or probernie. David missed one thing, feeling the burn is supposed to be great. For hillary its not. Those supporting Bernie Sanders are feeling the burn, its about Bernie Sanders. They are more Elizabeth Warren supporters looking for a home. Its not antiHillary Clinton. You dont show support if you are against someone else at this point tom, antihillary or probernie. It appears to be probernie, hes striking a core that is it resonating. Its showing in peoples turning up. For the overall, whoever is the good news, its good news. Its firing up the base and people. Well support if. At the risk of being redoes not and, its probernie, because he represents the latest challenge to the democratics establishment. We saw with howard in 2003, 1983 or 1984 with gary heart, we saw it there. The democratic wing looking, agitating, trying to find someone to rally behind. A question well talk about is if they are the fringe part of the base that has existed, how does the candidate move to the middle without offending the biggest party. It happened in 92, bill clinton did that, ran to the center of the party. Right, but with bandrsh, i think what you are trying to get at is the eventual nominee will probably be the more moderate of them, as we see in most of our partys elections. If vaffed with a decision, and if bernie comes to the middle, theyll line up behind that nominee. Bernie is in a disintive lane. Hes in his own, and thats a large lane. Now u we dont know if its a large enough lane to lead him to the nomination, there are questions about that. The Democratic Party, like the Republic Party is an an establishment operation, and dont take too well to insurgents. I dont think we should count on him as being a heavy influence. And secretary clinton as the nom nigh. Next, david meets goliath on the president ial trail. 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The lives of american teenagers. We are going to create an economy that works for all people, not just a handful that was senator band , recently firing up a crowd in los angeles. An estimated 28,000 people. Welcome back to inside story. And Lisa Fletcher. Sensing anxiety among the rank and file. Hillary clinton released a memo to as usualing concerns that clintons candidacy is on fire for the wrong reasons. Clintons Campaign Manager said the hallmark is having a plan and ticking to it saying a political analyst made a point about Bernie Sanderss campaign in a roundabout way saying is Bernie Sanderss campaign a nuisance for a threat. We are back with our guests. Michael, right now is sanders simply a thorn in the side of the Clinton Campaign. Hes little more than a thorn at this point. I think if he builds the momentum, hell have something to say about the direction of the campaign. I believe that he can do some of the things in the Democratic Party that you are seeing over the years with the religious right and the Republican Party in terms of moving the candidate in a direction he or she may otherwise not go. Tom, at what point what are the signals from sanders that indicates that hes more than a nuisance. I think if once you see senator sanderss report going beyond the white collision, his basis is not as broad as senator clinton. Africanamericans are tremendous. Hillary clintons numbers are higher than president obama. Recent democratic primary poll says 73 of hist panics support. The coalition put together to win the primary is diverse. Thats what they have. Its not just the coalitions, its the operations. Look at what Rick Santorum did. Theres not a lot of black voters, if bernie organises a ground game and takes something away from hillary, and she doesnt meet expectations, that will be a problem. The campaign will push it to the left. We know politically thats what hilary is. I dont view the party as extremists. Its mainstream, not establishment. You need to get the most votes possible to win. Oftentimes its talking about issues that matter to everybody. A lot is made about the numbers of people showing up at the sandsers rallies, what is surprising in a field where two contenders, that one appeals to the fringe is getting big numbers in places where a majority of people probably support his sensibilities. Ill push back lightly, hes tracked into a vain of politics. Hes pulling in big numbers in places that dont have primaries early in the calendar. I mean, he drew 28,000 in portland. Portland oregon is not going to make a play in terms of who wins the nomination. Same in california, prime rils are later. In 2008, you know. Thats my point. Hes preaching to the choir. Hes preaching to the choir. And he has the potential to grow the choir, but he is breaching in places he does not need to be. Is he doing that because he has to appear big, as the legitimate candidate. Hillary is trying to appear almost dimminive. Hes doing something, growing his name in recognition. The reality is most around the country have never seen or herd Bernie Sanders. And that explains the big splits that you saw earlier between secretary clinton and Bernie Sanders. I think that that ultimately is his only chance to get deep into the nomination fight. Speaking of the i. D. , name i. D. , what about governor omalley, he was in there before Bernie Sanders, and cant get traction. Less than 1 . What is points to is a short bench of the Democratic Party. If they have a Strong Enough bench, therell be others out in droves. You have something unusual in politics, you have an open white house coming up in the next election. The democrats decided they have a person they want to put their name and money behind, and didnt have four or five other candidates coming forward like they did in 88. One thing on the bench, while he has some points, its total contrast the republican side. 17 candidates all pulling him further and further to the right, at least you have a sane debate. Speaking of contrast, portland underscores the contrast. You have Bernie Sanders, big grass root effort giving thousands of donations. During the week Hillary Clinton is at a private dinner, where you have to pay 2700. Which is the better strategy for the democrats the grassroots gather everyone in campaign or the traditional big political machine that will fund a big staff and a big Media Campaign early on . I think its both. The magic of president obamas campaign is he had the crowds and money and mobilize ailings. This is a mobilisation, this is a different campaign. Hillary clinton is keeping the support, consolidate ght the support. Shes ahead in almost every state. The one pole was an outlayer. In 08 the Clinton Campaign vastly underestimated president obama. What lessons did she learn, is she applying them . Im not sure that she learnt the lessons, my suspicion is she has. The problem is she can only play the card she has in her hands, thats the experienced insider. That doesnt resonate with the same people Bernie Sanders is going after, and the only card he can play is the angry insurge ent. Is he missing an opportunity to exploit her, with the fbi, and the email. I want to give him credit. We dont need politics and public discord around the controversy surrounding a candidate. Bernie sanders is doing something i think should be done by all candidates, arguing for your position, and letting the other stuff take care of itself. Who talks about whom first. Brian, sorry, who talks about whom first, and what does that tell us . The best winning campaign, the best campaign is the one that wins. For bernie he doesnt have the opportunity to build a fundraiser. Hes going where he can. When we look at hillary, shes talking about education. Talking about speaking fees, and talking about what matters, and attacks to the democrats. Bernie theres one attack he could make, the computer issue, and she has broken the law. She has top secret emails out there that anyone can get to. Thats a line that bernie could break, cross over when she breaks the law, its a big difference to attacking someone on personal issue. The jury is out on whether the law has been broken. When we come back, the joe biden fact. Joe biden has reportedly spent part of his vacation talking to family and friends on making a third run at the oval office. Closing in on clinton, thats the inside story. Al Jazeera America gives you the total news experience welcome back to inside story, im Lisa Fletcher in for ray suarez. Tonight closing in on clinton, as a former senator and Vice President joe biden has the resume and name recognition to turn the race on its head if he decides to jump in. According to reports hell make a decision by the end of summer, is that too late to enter the race. We are back with tom, michael and obrien. What will it take to get joe biden off the sidelines into the game . Thats only something he knows. Hes dealing with a lot now. His family and his current job. Hell have to make up his mind soon to get in, and whether he doesnt get in. I think its having Vice President biden in the field strengthens the developments. At least you have the civility on the democratic side, having joe biden in the race continues the civility, talking about what americans wants to talk about. How much of bidens decision hangs on whether Hillary Clinton is wounded by the email matter . I think she is getting seriously wounded and biden is probably now, if hes not on the beach, about to be on the beach relaxing. If he organised to run, the last thing you do is head in that direction and take a vacation, he knows now he has a chance to do this, and he has a month or six week before missing a deadline, which is selfimposed, frankly. Really, i dont think theres a downside for him to get in, other than hell be hated by the clintons if she will win the nomination. I dont know whether he cares about that. He doesnt need to be the secretary of state, hes not looking for an appointment of any kind. As much as we talk about civility, the clinton machine is known for going after people publicly and privately if they support someone like joe biden, thats is something that supporters will be concerned about. Is there any indication that joe biden would have the support that would give him the momentum hed need, particularly as a late entrant . I think so. Here is a man with a substantial resume, that no reasonable person would look at and say this guy doesnt have a chance. He would be an underdog, but the only really deadlines that he faces. Is those in those getting on the ballot. Because he has the name recognition, and could raise money, he has time to decide what he wants to do. He could take it into october. If he runs, who does obama throw support behind. I think he will stay out of it. I think hes washed his hands of president ial politics. You really think that. Again, who will he endorse. I dont think hell endorse either one. What does he have to gain . Ronald reagan sat on the sidelines until his Vice President bush bail the nominee and did everything he could. Its not the president , its the winks, nods and staff and other things that go in there. I think they feel in the white house that Vice President biden is the best person it carry on the legacy of the failed obama presidency. They view Hillary Clinton as a threat to the legacy of president obama a little about personae. Joe biden is viewed as a likeable side, working both sides of the aisle. The latest honesty and trustworthy polls Hillary Clinton is not doing well. How would biden fair . Hell do better, but i dont think the polls at this point matter. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee running against jed bush, they both will have lower trustworthy numbers, it doesnt matt