Hello that jane space have been bouncing pressure from the United States. The policy, you know forward, hes shaking off his leadership. Present Mahmoud Abbas is named his Financial Advisor as the new Prime Minister. Mohammed mustafah has ample experience in economics, but little in politics. The move has surprised many volumes is escalating in the occupied westbank of israels war on garza shows no sign of ending. So could this appointment shape the future of the policy . You know, authority doesnt have enough backing from palestinians to move forward. Well explore these and other issues with people of guests in a moment, but 1st this report from katya lopez hold on. Hes a trusted Financial Advisor of posted in president muck moodle boss. I think the need to now Mohammed Mustafah has been appointed as the new Prime Minister. This term begins at a crucial time and will include forming a new cabinet and reforming the Palestinian Authority. But as you know, if its can do better in terms of the building, but our institutions are providing but the governments so that we can unite our people in the next phase so that we can. But are you and all right guys on the west bank and also prepare for the construction of guys with israels war on garza washington has in terms of find as pressure on a boss urging him to restructure the post and in authority so that it can effectively take responsibility regardless that the so that the gaza and the west bank can be reunited under a palestinian leadership for years. The p a has phase. Thank is asians of corruption, mismanagement, and incompetence. And its role within a 2 state solution framework has gradually seated with the look of height, the former palestinian Prime Minister resigned last month, fighting escalating violence in the occupied wanna spend and a genocide in gaza. But his replacement is already fielding criticism. In a statement amongst us engaging and superficial subs such as forming a new government without a National Consensus, only reinforces unilateralism and deepens division. And there are many divisions among palestinian leaders. Many of them only amplified by the war. The Palestinian Authority governs some areas of the occupied westbank, but coordinates with the is really military in accordance with the oslo accords. The p as relationship with homeless has been processed since it was pushed out of casa in 2007. There are differences between, you know, the c on functions thats very normal and you cannot really expect that all these different. And since, as you know, what is the result in one single meeting is really Prime Minister. Benjamin netanyahu has on numerous occasions, rejected or limited the role of a post. Anita 40. What i think some analysts say was stuff is appointment. Could be the 1st of the many in that restructuring. Its governance from top to bottom. The other things, katia lopez, what again, ill do 0 for inside story wish. And now lets discuss all of this without guess today in a mom to honey, most of the senior palace on analyst at the International Crisis group. She specializes in conflict resolution here with me in the doha studio man. So schumann, canadian palestinian citizen journalist, who reported from gauze up between october last year in february this year and from ramada in the occupied westbank, which owned by most stuff up. Ill go to the secretary general of the Palestinian National initiative. Good to see you, old before we get onto the brand new Prime Minister of the policy. Now for t, id like to speak about the old one and the old government to honey explain to me, why did i well, how much that why did he and his government resign on february . The 26th was that choice . Well, i think it was uh, something certainly uh not quite the choice but uh, a necessity of trust on a given the fact that not only do you have a lease with the onset unfolding, garza but also the ph legitimacy. Ive been absent all time low. So it really, you know, in terms of the options available, there was very little the p, i have never been as long as they happen. And this isnt just something ive been out since the something to true. But this is something that the p a has been working with for the last couple of years now. Even onto how much they are given the, the efficiency of governance, the increase in violence, the disconnect between palestinians on that. So if its been effective and their needs you, they do not feel actually advocate to them on any political meaningful level. The most stuff, if i can ask you, perhaps just now im going to ask you with your political have to is head of a party that in a moment. But 1st, if you could just help bob hughes, who is mohammed most of the just give us a background on him. If you could well, i must have missed the fact is that police to me and who used to work for the band quote, a good period of time. And then he came to palestine and he was appointed as the economy customize the president. And later he became m uh the need that or the president of the palestinian investment fund, which he has to be in the inclusive attributes and the last decade. So its fair to say he has good experience on the economic file. Yeah, its not political. I dont, i mean he presents himself as a techno craft as a, as a to kind of come, i missed a motor than anything good. And, and he, i, according to my knowledge, hes not affiliated to the bus to come out or does it go to the party but to work for the president who is the lead the fact that, of course, um, did he the be okay, well, i want to get your political views on, on him in just a moment. But i also want to make clear what the of panel thinks palestinians will make of him generally up to you mountain. So you came back, i think from gaza. You with that for 2 years, you know, originally from gaza, you probably is originally from jerusalem, but 33 weeks ago. Is that right . You came back from does or im sure youre still in touch with people in gaza. What is the view that you will getting of this appointment . Thank you for holding the enrollment on the bottom 2 and your guests. So even though, even i think its just a, a p r stunt on behalf of the americans requesting president our bus to put the new face in order as they move forward and trying to change their strategy towards trying to get to the back under the Palestinian Authority and, and the piano um i think that the people and the ones that i now i do not think that this appointment would have any kind of positive impact on that. He monitored in situation or the political situation on the ground. You have to understand that even start the inside, the rosa is divided 5050 between um the home. But between the what our bus and, and how about the headline who caught a 2 designs in the we and i think thats one reason why he was a point to this because he holds the keys to like conduct the bottle was he said, you know, he holds the Investment Funds and he understands the economics and if there is going to be any building because they think that they can utilize him as a techno cloth, in the process of the building as a, as a new face under steel. And i think again, this is part of the gender of the americans throughout the g towards of us, whether its through mandatory economics, politics, or even the social norms to honey. I would always like to know what you as an analyst to try is to take the temperature of people across the palestinian territories, and garza and the westbank. What do you think the feeling is on the streets in response to this . And i think this has seen it very much in keeping with us support for the flip side solution one, the office posting into account increase or israel has been peddling for the last few years now as economic piece. So just let me do this. So did you think hes the he is the chosen us candidates, or is it just the us one to change and he is the change the president of boss has decided to put in place or do you think they actually specified him as the Prime Minister . Whats your thoughts on that kind of thing . And leadership is not something thats entirely determined by the palestinians themselves. Unfortunately, and often it will be israel and the us that will determine who those particular chosen candidates will be. And so, i mean, he sucks any someone that does kind of same clearly the us have consented to his appointment and hes certainly someone here as mr. Lucy and you know, theres a pointed out that he is someone who will centuries favor with without the us. Now i think the issue is not necessarily my list of, of i say its what this appointment ultimately represents, which is uh, as i said, this is, you know, primarily seen as us support ridiculous. I solution one that says economic release of any substantial effective Political Rights to palestinians, underage and political technocratic, securitized government. Now, in terms of any drastic change that this can actually produce posting as an awful by directory can disclose coming on this, they know that ultimately, as ive asked remains head of state how it will be concentrated within the hands of the us to a sofa. So its about face the israel and his allies, as he has a state to sounds, dr. Almost all football gucci. Thank you for taking off your political house at the beginning of the program. You can put it back on again. Now you are the secretary general of the products, the new national initiative. And there was a statement from other key groups and factions, including your own. Its a statement from hamas islamic jihad, the popular front from the brakes to palestine. Im the Palestine National initiative. I read it, it says for me, a new government without the National Consensus is a reinforcement of a policy of exclusion and deepening of the patient explained to me why you are so opposed to this appointment when there is nothing good about it instead of the time of the stuff up there, so maybe its not that good somebody. So the issue is about something large. Other than that, the question here is these changes out and response to the phone. What kind of the phone . There are totally forms that, that on the table here. One day for them is the american is a new one. And thats one doesnt care about anything except to make into the policy number. So to, to remote acceptable to is it. And that means its a good, a tie using the police to me and also to, to youve been fab though. And that means sustaining the deposition on the status of the city and also the destruction within or slow process that was kind of the buyers that are in the ready. So its a process on one side, but they want to keep the balance to me and establishment in that place. Thats not the kind of the form that we want. And its not up to, is that a lot of United States to decide to live with the Government Assembly shall do with us. And in which way that the phone that we are demanding has 2 sides festival. At this very crucial moment when we are encountered, it goes through and when we faced the general side, didnt goza. And when we faced 10 of us, that evasion of the people and the destruction of infrastructure and even b o q patient, not the on the of the guys but west bank as well. We need the strong dignified mess and the leadership. The 1st step would be the establishment that if i only 5, but the senior leave, the trip is that should include on board at the conference is also out in the b. I know, and those a lot of still outside the piano and that was the essence of what we agreed about as 14 different political groups in moscow and the most recent meeting, which is that everybody should get into the piano. And this will create, i, even if i mention that leave the ship that slip stuck on the phone, but the people want is a democratic reform, not that security for them. As i medical ones, we are very surprised that the United States become of democracy ever. Do it accept and punished by and what people want is the collections that i those the people that need that its really, im the practically something that weve been deprived to them since 2000, 502006. And the biggest problem we face here, it was the continuation of the student elections, which should have taken place in 2021 because of this, we have no separation of boards. We have the, the executive structured, small executive structured input, the study system. Hopefully you just looked at the system as well as executive system that has to change that for me want is democratic fee elections, and separation of powers thats on democracy means everyone else in the world accepted by this time. What does that americans want . The strands of good its included size and structure that serves the interest of the palestinians, and that this will be the and in my opinion this. But i shudder from the United States as counter productive. And that is not the leading to a proper form. On the other hand, the public wants to see are unified processing the ship. They dont want to see this division continue between different forces between how much sense i think they want to see the unified structure. They want to see a democratic structure, stuff showed up is capable of fighting any form of corruption or nepotism, or to click on the list. This is what people want. And i think i want to position you is nothing about this but so no, that is the position is about the need. Busy a different system and a different approach, but i thought of them stand within that. Im so what has been during the last 31 years. Okay. Lets examine why perhaps the us dont want elections and im going to ask you what is rather ridiculous . Hypothetical question, right . Now because clearly, garza is under a desperate situation on the palm, bob mint, the, the, the, the forms continue to full and the westbank is on the, is really locked down. But i want to ask you one by one very quickly what your view would be if it was possible to have elections right now. What would be the role result to honey . It would be an absolutely meaningless exercise if, if the functions like how much are not allowed to partake. Yeah, yeah, but so honey. So honey, im asking the question, who is the most popular right now . What would be if there was conditions where you could have get the views of, of all of the palestinian people. How do you think the product and then you and people at this moment in time would devote i think its still very from insure to tell right now, you know its happening because i still work from a short to gauge what the actual physical examinations are. People on the ground, i think regardless of when the concept of free and Fair Elections at this moment in time, is something that is completely off the table if it what took place, especially with the absence of console, which isnt no condition to be hosting elections, but it would be a competing, meaningless exercise. And the way things stand being such a thing into your already made it very clear that they would not accept any sort of trusting interactions right now. And he selections that they cannot create a time the results. Oh, okay. So you didnt want to answer the question, maam, so im going to ask, put the question to you. You just come out of jobs that 3 weeks ago. Okay, ill put the question a little bit differently. Right . Thats like taking it up to hon is a to on, is to not of on. So who is the most put the Political Force among palestinians right now. The definitely so um im originally from the west bank and i have Family Living and doris and the right now in addition to having family from my wifes side living in garza, i can tell you for a fact that while the scenes will vote for the party thats willing to present them in the best way possible. Palestinians are proud to people, palestinians of people who want a policy. Thats what a government got to give them security. Thats to give them a photo to definitely be able to give them economic structure. Uh, thats with unified them. So in my opinion, one of the reasons why elections, im not being held this because right now the p a in the way that the what are the best and his people are willing. Im not providing any of that either to the west bank or of course the guys are so definitely wont be there and its called in for me right now. So it will be one of the other parties for sure. With that at the house, or else weiss talked about gucci. You would be a candidate if there were these hypothetical elections. But where do you think the support lives right now are within, we dont need to invent that. Thats the clear. If somebody didnt go with the buttons that have been done since 2020, and up to now. And if you take them all together, you will see that there is a clear attend tendency here. Need that opened up by listing and thought this would be able to get up some of the majority. You know, we have a fully proportion of the system, which means to have a majority. You need 51 percent, i think. And i need to go to the elections that will take place. Uh, not, not saying good bye pick. Im good. How much would it . It would be florida, just stick democratic system. But what, what the, what would happen . We could see an increase in the support of her mass for sure, and because of the role and resistance, but we wouldnt see upload on a stick democratic system. And clearly there is a substantial amount of people who want to vote for that. They have said buffy sat in democratic align non fact the how about how much and that is very encouraging. In my opinion, a totally pluralistic democratic system where most in good part of the has absolute majority will lead to the formation of questions we need to democratic or for them will lead to up our phone. But listing at logistic of guns in way out of the government has to be accountable to and i, i think that that is the expect that there is a um, that is know that and those who dont belong to see, but this thing is have it through democracy, those who want to impose the events on palestinians like also the, the mentors, impulses and police citizens. In my opinion, the dont want to see democracy because democracy means that anybody who negotiates on the, on behalf of other students have to listen to what the majority of palestinians want and that is sustaining. And the product. Think by this to me. I mention of rights to honey, the new Prime Minister when he chooses cabinets and when he is fully in office, he has a background. As an economist, the economy is in a desperate state. Tell us how bad things are. Well, the economy has been in a desperate state since the last couple of years now since cause carpet. And so, yeah, it is, it is going to be quite a few, especially given now that youve, since, as im to transfer you past the institution of an ex, what hasnt mounted to your effective economic siege on the west bank. And now the in terms of economic damage that has been selected as it again, its still been very difficult to assess the full scale given restrictions on has meant that includes the various organizations. And i was like myself to actually go in and seriously assess the damage. But it, i mean, he is going to have quite a talk on his hand in trying to read you many of the palestinian economy, especially in the west bank given to a given the also says look to buy either prior to that we, we saw, you know, significant amounts of donor fatigue done to funding being pulled up the last few years from 2017 off until 2023. The published again for the 2 major down in the us and saw the radio. And, you know, weve, weve seen that even though they have tried to search for alternatives and use that still havent been able to make concepts or the loss of, of, of losing those 2 huge, substantial donations. Now, in terms of what she start, she is again, we still dont know how hes going to be able to get things back on track. But you know, it is, it is going to be quite a task, especially while we continue to see the ongoing economic seat restrictions of freedom of movement and such. And on the west bank, which is what has given no indication that it is for control of any time soon talk to most stuff or you oppose appointment, but do you think perhaps given what youve just heard and you know it so well of the dont to fatigue that perhaps some of the donors might give some more money now because theres a new Prime Minister. So one to sort of re a block as well. Uh, they might talk about that, but we dont see any actual inner input. And actually the International Community apply. This is the response have been for the continuation of the district, but it must have cut against. But the students, especially the night that States Companies like United States so which 10 does not vote for a complete on to dont seize fire. So data responsibility, not only is there and they have the level under complicit with visitor and, but they have to actually participate in some of this crime that is happening now about the future. Look of the damage is so huge. We are talking here about the destruction of all universe. It is, is it a destroyed set at the hospital . Ill just go to the 6, then destroyed more than 100 attempts facilities. They destroyed more than 75 percent of peoples homes. Just admitted that the loss damage is been under the bed, would require no less than 50. 00 to 90000000000. 00 would out of the countries are going to provide that. And thats why i see the use challenge. We face the fact that without having to know 110000. 00 palestinians couldnt do it, and thats 5 percent of the population. We have 20000 or from children because of this war. We have a total destruction of infrastructure. We have 1000000 people suffering from diseases which we are trying to have now to deal with that no single palestinian political thoughts governmental sedation. It requires the unity of everybody. It requires that we own a together in the one you and if i need to ship so that we can fit these, he was trying to mobilize also what they bought as possible to help our people afterwards. But the most engine, please, is 2 forces that are in also because we cannot do anything going to be fair. I mean the thing, go ahead and find anybody as long as it is the continued still good bye guys. Or do you think that that technocratic government will be able to bush is that a lot of guys are all the kind of work and does that without the cooperation of the conferences there . Of course its impossible. Thats why the 1st steps would be the stablish event. Of identified but a Senior Leadership and then the formation of the government has to be an option of consensus process. Nobody wants to be in the government. Its not that the issue is about the government has to be accepted by all the others, so that theyve done what a good was the power of the focusing on society. Which has to practice a lot of sense for these items. A lot of sense organization and a lot of democratic participation in the life of the fact that so many of those have disappointed us. So many countries in the region on the outside, within the back to our suffering at this very moment. Okay, youve talked about the importance of a tech mcgrath across the government in terms of what happens in gaza months. So youve just come back from gaza. You are obviously watching things very, very closely. And it looks like that could be important developments that all cease far towards resuming yet. On the other side, you have a Prime Minister netanyahu sitting is finalize, the, the battle path plans for, for a rafa offensive. We dont know if this is a negotiate employee. What are people telling you in garza that youve been speaking to about how worried they are at this moment in the the month of ramadan . If you look at the recent history of the over the last few months, uh, very similar events happened before. The invasion of different cities across was us to the people in the plaza are extremely worried that off wouldnt be invaded, and that they would be forced to leave it as a step by force into the egyptian border. And to enter the egyptian out of the area, hence another repeat of 19481967. And this situation that is critical from, from cold perspective. Um, i think the doc sort of stuff and, and mr. Honey gave a lot of numbers about how bad things are there and youll continue to the 4th one. This 247. And if i was a member of the European Union or someone in the americas, i would have seen that i have put billions of dollars off investments into infrastructure, into trying to build the values of democracy and human rights into the population. And the over the last decade fall now gone into the ones and robins because of the way that the americans and is really is have access to them. Because i dont think there is a trust anymore with the people as a given. Any new government that has come up in west bank and we need to like the guest said elections. We need 3 unity for. We need people thats accurate to, to present that. But a stain and people, and the free people. Freedom loving people at large in the world. Everyone is watching and what is happening now and what is going to change history . The question is, what is going to happen over the next couple of weeks when an immediate permanency is why it happened with throwing day . Was there any forces or was that off invasion happen . Let us see. Thank you very much to all 3 of you for joining us for todays conversation on inside story to honey, most of the month. So schumann and most stuff i think about gucci, which is 0, has teams reporting from gauze of the occupied westbank. And inside israel will have the latest news and developments 24 hours a day for analysis and detail. And go to our website, which is 0 dot com. We want your views to find us on facebook. Facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story, or use x, the former twitter, where were at a inside story from the team here. And so how please stay safe on jaden space. Ill see you soon. Bye bye for now. The strips from it switches and left with a toxic legacy. When you teach, they usually forget people from lake point. When you think that the people in power meet, the inhabitants still fighting suggested, suggested wait and took their lead and think and for the money it went home. I didnt think they even consider us again. 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