A is in jeopardy as this is paul, right . Coalition government, not the comments. So for mass palestinians or opponents of israel. But instead, the view of the Us Intelligence services, the war, nothing yahoo is on least since the mouse attack on october. The 7th is killed and maimed more than a 100000. 00 palestinians, and destroyed the false ways of casa. Yes, a mass and its allies continue to fight back. So if the Intelligence Community of israel is closest ally doesnt believe in the coal aims of the military offensive, why is the us still providing it with money and weapons . And with its predictions that nothing yahoos, governments could collapse. What does this report indicate about the current state of us is really relations. Well discuss all of this with all panel of gas shortly. But 1st, and we can kinda has more details on whats in the report. Israel will not destroy him us. Thats according to a us intelligent assessment of global threats. It states as route, were probably face lingering resistance from us for years to come. And the minute treat will struggle to destroy its network of underground tunnels and garza money. So its like you know, what is really Prime Minister. Netanyahu wants to hear the has repeatedly stated, the total elimination of the group is, is ultimate. A window for we must destroy the remaining and come us battalions in rough. If not, if not, come us. When we group we arm and we conquer garza and then were back to square one. But netanyahus premiership isnt secure either. The report predicts major protests demanding his resignation of new elections with the possibility of a more moderate government taking power. But when nothing yall here and Us Intelligence officials may agree, israels more on goals or trends to become a broader regional conflict. Now having lasted for more than 5 months, the guys a conflict. His world, the middle east, with renewed instability, presenting new security paradigms and humanitarian challenges, while pulling in a range of actors. The conflict has prompted new dynamics, even as it has entrenched old ones. And at risk of increasing economic virginity, even in countries not directly involved, coming towards him in jordan and egypt for example, as well as globally and solidarity with him us humans duties are attacking ships in the red sea. A major maritime thor offense, causing disruptions to deliveries and costs worldwide. The involvement of the who tease which impact by iran underscore is the potential for whitening conflict. Us forces in the region have also been targeted. Although the report completes packer on did not have probably knowledge of how mazda is october. The 7th attack on israel is relations between nothing you all who enjoy board and become increasingly strained fonts, a dining assessment, these ready Prime Minister may make things was the crisis has galvanized violence by a range of actors around the world. And while it is too early to tell, it is likely that the guys a conflict will have a generational impact on terrorism. But for the people of goals of the war is already had a devastating impact image in cuba, which is 0, the inside story. Lets bring in a panel of guess to discuss this further in boston, 10 calls for more than 20 years and the kindest on services of the c i a it is now Us National Security and Foreign Policy specialist. In london, youll see medical book as an associate fellow with the middle east and north Africa Program at the u. K. Think tank chatham house. And here in doha time, a commute is the assistant professor of Public Policy at the Doha Institute for graduate studies. He specializes in conflict resolution and international aid, a real team of experts. Thank you. And welcome to the program. Well, this is the report that were going to be talking about. And id like to read what i think is one of the key quotes from it is, well, well probably face lingering resistance from my mouse. We used to come, and the minute tribble struggle to neutralize the masses. Underground infrastructure which allows insurgents to hide, we gain strength and surprise is riley forces talking about what is your reaction to that not just as a specialist in the field, but as a palestinian who comes from gauze a generous. Um, i think were starting to have some logic in some sense coming from from, from the americans. And i dont, i dont have to explain why. I mean, look at how this, i must emerge as a resistance, minute to the movement inside. By this time im not, is there any information on the, on the bottom is waiting to patient when these are the controls, the guns and the even when the, when, when the, when the piece of process to to go to 1994. And then we have also is 40 percent of the guidelines for different animals like to give so many supplements. Dropping those into 3 pieces of land. And also they have the security wise and how much was the 10 big story was how much in the innovation. So the either of the realtor buying the goes, but if i gain something the yeah, of course this item is describe the most thing how much im gonna think of a been a ds on the wrong the on the long term. But its not meant how much as an adult, easy as an idea of the moment, but do you measure it again and again, because of the terms of the past. So thats the only path for the piece. So to set is, is going for more properties that b o, y, a bit of august, ive done it before in the day at each. When are they there is for peace with the people. How much is the, its not going to go anywhere because its a mainstream political, but its an idea, its, i dollars you. And how much is that sense in this context, this outcome of the need of is what i do to patient. And the only way for is that i am, and this one is doing each piece not with, with the piano. I dont have access with, i think often theres a window to do it to get the dimensions when, especially by the americans. Meaning also from the perspective and i realized that this was a lot, i didnt bring lots of them as of, of the stage. And the officials mode of, of, of mass getting to the scene is holfers, mom in an easy position. So i think in these moments critical moments where basically needs to be aligned with americans out the national thinking that they cannot get to know how much, how much also revising when they submitted 3 tactics. Its got off the gps that im going through with this, with tactics before then, but maybe thats what the paternity for the americans intervene for the being was im going to have an end this morning thing p. Okay, time on that and thats bringing plan. Um, with that point that you just raised that its time for the us to support the idea of a c spa, the us of the country around the Un Security Council table by using is vito this presenting that c spa. Glenn, if im ass comp, be destroyed, if that goal is unattainable, why is the Us Administration to it . Still allowing israel to pummel garza as well as the working title of my book, which is about the terror terrorism of the cold war on terror. A number of years ago was victims of delusion. That title was changed for secondary reasons, but the, the, the title is apt to the Intelligence Community has the easier job in creating, in the process of governments. And in that job is the expression you will, you will have heard is to speak truth to power. So its not, or a discovery or a change in the assessment to the Intelligence Community in the United States to say that a conventional military attack on the all g or a, theyre political idea or a cultural view point the cant cannot succeed. Yeah. This, however, the, the Intelligence Community does not make policy. And there are significant elements in the power structure in the government and the political process. That simply dont believe that a conventional military methods are almost irrelevant for actually make matters worse when dealing with a fundamentally political and cultural issue. And so thats why, broadly speaking, the truth is almost irrelevant or the fact are almost irrelevant to the power struggles or to support their convictions that are not based on facts but, but, but to lend on that, i mean we, we get this public intelligence, this report that weve just seen, but these are the same intelligence agencies that are feeding information to the senior us leaders every single day. The us present get something called the president ial daily brief present bite. And really not. Hes been told this for weeks months maybe since october, the 7th of oh, im sure, well not just as october the 7th or how about for the last of the 50 years. Yeah, i think that is true and i and i, i do not know by and personally didnt work under him or meet with him, but i will get my retirement. So on the fact that he assesses understands the presentations and assesses the the realities on the ground and gaza in the same way that he has slowly been trying to increase the pressure as periodically happens in the us system on israel. But the fact is that the crude party in the right wing of the quick party, the ultra orthodox parties that are aggressively pursuing the settlements in the west bank, the drive the policy. I do not mean to imply what people often believe, which is that theres some sort of dark cult uh, or jewish lobby, making the decisions but the political, the in the United States. But the political dynamics are such that it is difficult for the republicans in particular, but the american political system to the pressure israel so much that they would implement policies that everyone recognizes as the necessary or effect based yall. So you could let me bring you in, and of course we want to know your view of these riley perspective of someone who analyzes these ready position plus b. If we go back to the 11th of october, the minister defense, youll have guidelines, and we got so many quotes i could choose like this one we, well wipe this thing called a mouse. I says garza of the face of the it will cease to exist. Youve heard what thomas says, you cannot defeat an idea. Do you think the senior is riley, wont cabinets . Now this do believe they can destroy how much complexity as well had the to option either. So its, this is full public, public consumption, domestic, public consumption. Although they lotion and they say no, no, i do not do sales. These are they, these are leading to us the difference in those different listing and interests and know that really kind of interesting in this case and its hence and so that the, the assessment, i think that the action and one can understand and go off the october 7, but the government to this policy, so this strategy and instead the feed, they are low as you know, before age and, and in almost the vision by, by revenge instead of thinking straight towards his achievement. But i think to the point of, to the most important thing for me is the point of the if the want to the feet from us, its actually to make you to politically. I dont know jacob is relevant and full and suggest and also the palestinian and those penalties as was all for there to be a peaceful solution that will state solution something that because a toll full but a stain in but by feeling loved instead of 2000 probably seen in saying in guys, most of them uh civilians, children as well. This is not something that was separated between from us and, and, and, and, and the end of this, of the, of the, of the palestine is and this we, so there is an increase in supporting in from us. And i think is what maybe its too late for this government to we assess its aims, which cause for a new government that actually can look at the day after the war and kite to rebuild the relations. We have with the Police Things which not based on a 0 sum game, which is not based on that the old security valid. Im the ok. You also get the, i talked casual, i guess all those comments youve made that and youre focusing on the current is ready the government. But the report also says these really population proudly supports the destruction of home us. So if the bite and administration is how, hoping that nothing you all who will decide to bring the war to an end some day, very soon, just by himself, with that backdrop, with this writing population that supports the destruction of hamas and doesnt support the 2 state solution thats not gonna happen any time soon, is it . So i think we need to set that up between the issue of supporting 2 state solution and the, the destruction of come us. I think this is again, this is a, as he action to october 7. But if there is any population, i mean to cut must be found the inside of the population with also the to a peaceful understand that theyve been, youd see shifting is that only a Public Public opinion recently, sl, 2 years ago the times that no one wanted to speak to the peer knowing these i need to was the guy that is totally organization and also changed it. Unfortunately, it didnt, its, its one of them. Its the conclusion of space. So i think we need to enter into a political process. Police Public Opinion can change if the changing of circumstances from well to piece, but for this you need new leadership in moving, you disclose within the society. And then i believe that i would see also Public Opinion that is more susceptible to a piece say this goes well, the way this report works that were discussing, it comes out every year. And this report then, is debated in the Senate SenateIntelligence Committee and the intelligence cheeks have to answer questions in that Senate Intelligence committee. And they were pretty striking exchanges in that committee. Listen to these questions, aust, by the senate said tom cotton, the republican senator ex military officer who served in iraq and afghanistan. And this is the questions he asked is israel exterminating the Palestinian People . And senator, all i can say is do you know what i said before . So is that a no, you do not believe is realized exterminating the Palestinian People . I think i think israels, i understand israels director haines. Do you believe israel is exterminating the Palestinian People . And i really dont have anything to add to what director burns the center, so time of your reaction to that that they will open about some things but and also about others. Well, its, its, so its sort of so pointing, james, i mean, i mean for the public clear answer on this and i didnt spending you do you want this contract . And this order is, has been more or less. I mean, we understand that said um, uh how big was 711 on the us um 7 to 2, but as an image on days late in society and when the sun think of that adventures when the thing is just defies. Nothing justifies this units either or nothing. I mean the way its be from talk to the good thing of civilians. Yeah. Its, its, i mean, i mean, i mean its, its, its, its the more we can, we have what were watching on the basis. I dont think, i think and its, i mean, i know its perfectly understand that the us is like the shoulder the at the beginning contain and when thats the, by the but you know, i mean district stop. No, because this has gone too far. And the, i mean, i mean, i hope if there is one Wishful Thinking behind the simple, not one the timing, but it is bad for us also. The same is that i make it understand that its starting to end as you come out, the come up to something new. Its coming back as if it hasnt been going on so far. Let me remind you of you or someone else for yours or something. James and when, when, when its ready to withdraw from the got that set up in 2005, and then we have the connections. And then the, the complexity is that all the time as to boulder, youre going to damage in the nation from 2006, then 2024. Whats never seen is what it is or, or to interact with these ladies. I mean the week off of the c bought something else. Is they the soldiers . I think the nation now she sold the houses and shrieked points and all this rain, every element of their lives. And this is hard to find sort of the, its not the end of the story now. So what, what worked for us for the students . What really met this now . Is this the United Nation that yes, i mean, even months if the there is a huge demand on the issue of resistance, lots of option, a resistance. Whats the zip resistance . Whats that thing and thought you might have this thats not the students that we would come as the soon as i can see what type of comes with. But you can look up the punishment entire nation the way it is, what it is doing, what has done and goes up on the side and the support this war entity. So let me, let me, let me bring in the plan. Now we heard that clip from the Senate Intelligence committee, this is the report. I think its worth getting some context with you because you worked for 33 years in the c all. Yeah. You worked in the field around the world doing secret stuff. Im sure you can tell us about, but you also prepared previous versions of this report. This isnt just some snippets of intelligence information. This is the key report is yes, it accurately reflects the consensus. Now there will always be varying opinions and who watches. Um, but it gives us the consensus of the Intelligence Community. So the lowest common denominator sometimes, well, you negatively will miss certain new us. However, the question that we heard was, on surprisingly political and objective and malicious, frankly, because it made a binary issue out of a terrible complex, the situation where the director of the d an i and of the she a couldnt really say a, in a setting that in a, in a hearing that there are the elements in the is really government that on the far right, the ones that are leading to before to would probably be very happy and they actively be seeking to reoccupied. And in fact, they said its explicitly reoccupied garza and expel all the palestinians, but the are in terms of the sort of information the is really go. Yeah. Kind in terms of the sort of informations that they will be transmitting to us leaders, intelligence inform