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Im josh rushing money in your pocket. No strings attached. Sounds too good to be true, right . But supporters of universal basic income say providing unconditional payments to citizens with health, with millions out of poverty and that uncertainty over the future jobs. So today were looking at initiatives have been trials around the world. We want to ask a basic income programs. Well, if theyre ready for a larger audience. Joining us today from new york is guy standing, his co president of the basic income earth and network and the author of the pro carry at the new dangers class. So because a documentary filmmaker who has been on free money examines the impact of a basic and come program on people that rule, kenya, hes and i, robi, and Eleanor O Donovan as an artist receiving funds through ireland recently launch basic income for the arts initiative. Shes on iceland, east coast, and hey, well more see that this table that you, if youre watching this on youtube, get me your questions through that box over there. We got a live producer waiting to get your questions to me so i can get them to the people on the panel and you know, we can do this thing together, right . So joining me on this. All right, hey guy, i want to begin with you to the new book, the precarious. What is the precarious tell us about this dangers class as well . I actually, my new book is about how to pay for the basic income, but the carrier has gone into for additions and just been trying to stay within 24 languages. And basically the pro carry up is the big mass class of the well today. And it consists of millions of millions of people who are facing chronic instability in their lives on the stable label though, and bought a tile incomes and a chronic gate. And that one mistake one accident. Well then the illness and theyre out homeless or they think that so that people facing extreme precariousness and then losing the rights of citizenship and losing social bags, but losing cultural rags. But losing, because theyll make rights on fundamentally, the most important thing for this conversation is that they feel like stop pick ups. A big deal is this, they have to us the fables from landlords from employers, from relatives o bureaucrats, dealing with them on this. This is a terrible existence show way of living in which millions of people are getting very angry. The less and you k to listen to the voice is a popular stick stream is like donald trump. The more progressive educating group are looking for a new politics on these people, a girl into basic income. And its a very Important Development because we now have a mass plus, which is really in favor of basic income and the opinion, polls all over the world, showing that. Wow, okay, illinois, so youre an artist, youre at a, you can explain it better than me. But an art uh retreat or something right there. And in iceland, but before that you were in ireland. And were you able to, i guess produce art at the same way that you do now before you were chosen for the i trial there. Yeah, so with this funds i am on an Artist Residency and i sent delay to live in ireland. And before i was randomly selected to be a participant in the base can come to the arts and ireland i was working part time to be able to support myself to be for my rent. And then also to support myself as an artist in the studio. And so getting the basic income is like winning the loss, right. You know, its, its usually transformed as all ready for by our practice and just for my general life and sense of, of being i think. Yeah, but im looking at you in that art studio and im just thinking like, this seems good for humanity that you can actually dedicate more time in your life to something creative than just trying to survive. And a capitalist economy, it has it been rest your life and that way . Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean i love what i do and i was always grateful to be able to do it. Even if i could only have spent 2 or 3 days a week. Do i guess what this means is that i can kind of relax the best and i guess something that is quite relevant to being an artist is that you need time to spend in the studio. And just, im thinking into kind of not necessarily be productive or to do stuff that doesnt, doesnt tell you look productive and having to basically comp just means that i have this luxury day of time where i can sort of relax and think more about what im making so it has really just been phenomenal. Yeah, it just speaks to humanity, the sense that we can be more than cods and the machine thats designed purely to make profits. So co whos with us is a film director and he has this movie called free money. I want to share a clip with you, but he follows a number of people in a kenyan, a real Canyon Village could go. Could you do that . Right . And you followed him for how long. So for 5 years for the trial, is that right . My . Yep. My godaddy. I couldnt i, lauren . Full of them for 5 years. Yeah, fantastic. Lets, lets watch this clip together. The so it strikes me there so that this is so powerful in their life that they, they attributed to, to god, god has seen those and bosses but really its, its more, its a matter of Economic Policy. Its a matter of people getting together within the society or an economy and saying, hey, we could approach this a little differently, right . I think its big through the depth of poverty and the depth in which luck takes you to the the turning into space is like religion and all these other faces because the level of declaration and i think the idea and in this case they come with the following the funding in this village, that the concept of implementation of a u. B, i was to uplift people from extreme poverty. I think its just kind of levels where you, you just need, might need to do, you know, basic to do basic things. You know, food and shelter coming to an indication, the thing that can do shouldnt be a no brainer in terms of if you think about existing as of humanity. However, a lot of good people are put in a space where these are not the systems that exist instructors that exist not beneficial that are not helpful. I think because those structures are not helpful to their lives. The idea of them getting a consistent income every single month is a total gain to, to, to a got to use the how to pay for it. Yeah. Tell us, where does all the money come from . He was the meanest. Im asking you this guy as well. A my, my feeling is that we can pay for a basic income of a modest amount quite easily. If you think about it, governments have billions in the case of rich countries, billions of dollars or whatever it is in subsidies, but mainly go to rich people, tax breaks and so on. My own countries over 400000000000 pounds a year. If you pay the everybody in bodies basic income, youll be much less than that. But im also advocating e co fiscal policies of levies on people who take from the commons. And that includes having a carbon levy. We need a call for larry, but they can only have a common levy if we recycle the income, the game from the comp and levy because otherwise its regressive. In other words, it increases any quality, but we need a carbon tax. We need a high common tax because weve got to come down on fossil fuels and Greenhouse Gas emissions. We cant go on as weve been doing. So i dont think the affordability is really critical on the ive, ive outlined various ways you can pay for it. And the important thing from our conversation is that to get governments to move in the direction of having a decent basic income for every party. Pilots and ive been involved in 6 or 7 pilots altogether ponder, show the net cost is much less than the gross cost. What that means is that because it improves peoples health, for example. So its places less stress on the health services. It reduces the cost of providing Public Health services. So governments gain by saving money the same with education, it improves educational attendance, educational performance, and therefore makes it a better investment. So you really shouldnt look at the back of the envelope calculation. You should look at what other net pretends and the dynamics of a, a moving towards a basic income as we, im kind of a new wealth as you want to jump in the i yeah, i think the idea of where the basic and come works and not is in many ways irrelevant because it, it kind of comes from, they can a he story. This could be, need to be thinking of where as a society is like, we have a, i hate for poor people. And it was due for like the idea of that to people need to lead better lives will have the politically better life. Because is very complicated. That the issue of time that is something that kind of like things that have to be talked about. Things like, even with the giving of basic income, it is not exactly a Silver Bullet because unless you have Better Health care and that you have better age occasion. And if you have all these amenities that are available free and capable of helping people and making life, you know, ok for people to exist and then we, we kind of end up just going round and round in circles discussing whether its okay for people to have a certain level of income to support their basic existence. Thats kind of a sad reality, i think. And, and check capitalism and the pilots. Youre talking about guy. These are experiments that have happened all over the world. No ones really taking this on as a, as a permanent Economic Policy in illinois. You right now, are they, i dont want to called a lab indicate but youre part of the experiment. And im curious, how did a measure in your life the impact that this had on you . Yeah, absolutely. Um, just to touch back on was um the others are saying that the affordability of that, i mean this is a playlist and our end of 2000 people were getting paid and 17 grand a year for 3 years. I think it work cited by 25000000 a year, which is really just a drop in the os. And in terms of, you know, islands, villages, and bush. The benefits are just astronomical. I mean, like how the records the impacts of the basic income in the survey. And it has only been 6 months since we have only had to do the survey once the last few questions about you know, how much time have you been able to spend making, how much time as youve been able to spend researching opportunities. But they also ask you questions like, how much sleep to get to night . Like per nice, how many areas to use benz caring after children or like l should be relatives or, you know, etc. So they really do take into account the, the, the welding of the people who are receiving this basic income. And its something that was, you know, it didnt just come in to know where it was advocated for. Theres the National Campaign for the arts and art and which are really pushing for those basic income trials. And i mean, i should point out that its not a universal piece of income. Its really just a very, very small sector of people working in ireland and bus, you know, focusing as well, an artist productivity. And they are both the, i think its probably the most productive way of looking at before. Youre not alone here. Eleanor in our youtube audience, richard for a says that hes on the saying you b, i program that youre on release. He thinks he is. And he says he knows other artist and that program and they feel so supported guy i. I see that you want to jump in and im, im, im thinking about eleanor getting more sleep at night and wondering whos profiting off of her sleep. So, well, this bill, i mean we, we now have an enormous amount of evidence because there have been over a 150. 00 pilots and experiments. The may is scheme and in the United States is a really exciting initiative. 50 may is assigned up to do basic income to experiments. Weve done a huge basic income pilot in india with thousands of people would give them a basic income when we evaluated it by comparison with people. Some of the people who werent receiving it. And we found improvements in nutrition improvements in Health Improvements in Health Care Improvements in work. One of the biggest issues that keeps coming up is this claim that if you had a basic income, it would reduce peoples work. But i want, i want the listeners to listen very carefully to what i have to say in the next couple of seconds. Basic income results in an increase in work and more productive activities in work and more collaborative, uncooperative phones of what the evidence is overwhelming. And its very important that we scorch that, but somehow if you have basic security, youll gain to become indolent on the country, you feel more energized, you feel more confident. Do you feel more like taking entrepreneurial risks in your domain of life . And you can carry as well, it just isnt county does work. You know statistics, but its particulars and its, its a felony is the issue. It increases the amount of time that people can put into care for their loved ones. That commute a, its a sounds almost 2 years, itd be true. It sounds so good to be true. So but listen, you mentioned that this does happen in america. I want to bring in one clip and i will come back to you to your guy. But this clip is from a, a p, and its looking stockton, california, where the mayor brought it brought a new u. B. Ive got an experiment there, there checked us out. Im surprised about this. How many people are struggling . These are people with good jobs, Small Business owners, teachers, retired people, Union Members who are struggling, who are working hard, doing over and live on top of their jobs, not seeing their kids. Nothing. Heather, how can i get any of that peace of mind . And right now, my car, i bought a car accident and my car lot told them so i didnt have no car payments and now i have a car payment and that money. I know its not going to be forever. But it puts me a foot in the door to get a car and also to get the payments paid until the money runs out. So, so much of that seems to be about like our perception of something. And so im going back to you here where its like in capitalism, we blame the poor, and thats a part of the game. Its a part of the system that we need to blame the poor. How do you, how do you get over that mindset . How do you get people over that mindset . I can, its a sample sound, but you know, i think it, it, it, it, them, in, in, not only speaking about this experiment of thinking about whats happening and watching the stories of, of the people who have gone through them. But at the same time and like makes payment that we work for knowing that been challenges on that intended consequences. What in a society based on the fact that the recipients and their experiences are the money then intended consequences were in, in things like say, the sources of the money. And they kind of came, come through, i dont know system. Im kind of like its, its based on the, the past experiences that a lot of people have had in the continent when we dont have funding and, and the, the, the lack of sustainability with that kind of system. It means that its, its not sustainable. Its implementation in a space like can yet, because you have to involve governments and this money has to be involved in together in kind of like collectively in the level and how the money kind of comes through to the people. Under the same time. It can be implemented in black ones, but then you dont have connected to another spot because you own the most i did that creating class class struck to that 19850. So in, in, in the ad, unintended consequences in implementation of the experiment. And thats why we should stop experimenting. And if we implementing programs, we should just implemented programs. Because like guy said, as were open, override with experiments, i think were done with experimenting. Why the hell are we still experimenting . What are we experimenting for . Its a perception issue at this point rather than i think. So as a system it gives you main office. The cool it is political now me, josh. I think we have enough evidence from around a well different types of countries. We can afford it because we can afford all sorts of schemes us as we saw it during the cove it pandemic. When government sudden they were able to flush put money into companies and then the 0 Interest Rates and the schemes, billions of dollars and the earliest was spent, then they suddenly they have that money. Its not a question and not being able to afford it. We have to be fiscally responsible, but its affordable. I think we have to go back