Theres some talk that he may even speak to the media afterwards. Theres a media event traveling with him. But like the president would have, so theres every possibility well hear from donald trump at the end of todays proceedings. And of course, if he does indeed speak, we will be there and you will be the allen to listen to it while im official in washington dc. Many thanks for that. Well, if youve just joined us, its just gone. 20100 gmc, just a bit past 4 pm local time in washington dc ways you can just to the former us President Donald Trump is now in court to us. The charges of conspiring to reverse the 2020 election results. These are life pictures from outside the court, whether it be both pro trump and m. T. Trump pro test trump is accused of spreading lies about election for them, pressuring officials to prevent a peaceful transfer. Power of the quote is reading out for criminal charges, and trump is expected to plead not guilty. Well, mingling in the crowd is all correspondence. She has at times the very washington d. C. And she have given that already 5 percent of people in washington dc actually voted for trump. Of many come out. Thats as a pull him, as you think. Right. But i think maybe everyones got a very, very rare. Theres a handful of protests on either side, but maybe a couple of doesnt really, and thats all over the course of several miles. I mean, maybe some of filtering in an hour we spoke to a, im afraid, trump protested with an enormous flag in the last uh and we will speak to someone whos been standing here for like 6 hours on the opposite side. As you will see in a moment in a 2nd tim smith, but just to give you an idea of that, i mean what, what, what we do out theres hundreds of, of members of the media with that, but that little tens, hats are reporters and that production teams and that are all about steps here because any, any slight hints they offer you protest to them. Theyre immediately phones. You know, im trying to be able for smoking about this providing kids. Yeah. If i see someone im there, were going this long so much. So for example, we have a chop here with a new one was lose a side. Its a living room, a business there. As you can see, tim smith has been here since 4 11 am level type a 6506 hours or Something Like that. I would imagine what brought it out to you, raymond, to meet via arrangements. Right. So what did you make of that . I mean, if the charges sold up, its incredible. This is American History and action. Why do you think the country is so dividing . So divide to 10 of you have decided thats, yeah, this is a, you know, this is a terrible, terrible action by the old trump. If, if everything is help holds up, why do you think that so many others dont feel that way of called the personality. Theyve been drawn into something or listening to avenues that are disingenuous or straight applies. But um yeah, if you look at the poles, job id on donald trump, all neck and neck right now, how would you explain that . But i mean, i think most americans already met their minds. If you would ask me whats gonna happen in a years time, were going to see the exact same results plus selection, almost verbatim. Point by point almost. What does it help that so many people dont want joe biden to run out of it . Is that, is that what sort of folding into the drum, the inter given trump, what . By some estimates the best drones and when they even better than 2016 or 2020 really you know way i think that the button has done good and bad and again, people are just split right down the middle. Youre all to see another democratic candidate there against ro. Absolutely. Are in terms of like either jo, buying or someone else. Yeah. Personally, id rather see a different democrat and, but i wont be voting button if thats if it comes to you. Thank you so much. Tim smith, very hopefully named tim smith, whos been standing here in this field. There are a few more anti drug protest is over there, but the trip and he took me to see by the flags and people moving around there, about victory, 3 pets protests. And then you can just see the one chat with the enrollment flag is working out behind them. But, but mainly that here it is. It is, report is there was, well, there it is on some pro truck websites, outright truck routes that were wanting slip pro. Trump, demons are just not to come because it was seen as maybe positive, a pulse to and trump for them to arrest more people. There is that, but stop perhaps that narrative and trump . Well, thats perhaps even january 6th was a full slide authoration to arrested by trumps voters as possible. So that was that sense of going to stay away. This is, this could be another tropical and some outraged web spaces. But right now that it is, it is relatively quiet out here. I mean, wait for the completion of this arrange. She have many signs for that. Okay, from she have over to i live in fisher, whos outside of the Federal Court House and the island as we start this new our we now believe the trump is in that proceeding. Took us through the significance of what were expecting, what we know that his lawyer has in the last 20 minutes or so given an interview to folks use. The fact that she would pick fault to use is probably no surprise. She once again said that this is a political indictment of donald trump, that all he was doing was exercising his free speech to the point about him being told that the election id be lost, that there was no grounds for him to change the so hot argument is that youve received a lot of information after the election and you listen to all of it, but acted on some of it. That may give us an indication of a defense that donald trump is going to put up. But there will be no kind of formalization of that defense beyond him, pleading not guilty. I know that he is actually a puting in court. Dont see that he is a republican strategist, hes joining as you and i dont to think donald trump will be disappointed that there are no more supporters here. Is it something you would expect given that it, this is washington dc, and this is a democratic time. I, i, its like, its still a good question. Yeah, obviously this is not the size of a big truck riley. Im not sure if hes going to come around and try to shake hands. But there is a festive atmosphere here that is best name to watch and im watching all these people walking by small children or older people. People of all races, colors, crees, and probably all portable parties. And they seem to be all having a heck of a good time. So this is something the thing with donald trump, this is 2016 people went alone to see the show. It wasnt about that this started wasnt about his policies. It was about what the next day rate, this thing hes going to say, i dont think youre gonna see any deep ideological discussions in this crowd. I think it is all about the show and i think theyre all, you know theres, they seem to be museums of. Yes, theres so many of these different trials going on, different prosecutions from causes persecutions. And i bet to some of these folks go from prosecution and prosecution, the prosecution, they probably start as a traveling show as including the media. So, you know, i think that from a democracy standpoint, you know, like was this is howard our, our democracy is sunk by the other science. You know, it is a populous world. We live in these days. And donald trump upgraded, but talking about democracy is and democracy, the whole idea that the legal system treat everyone equally. And therefore, donald trump, whos alleged to have committed crimes, is being treated equally, even though he was the president of the United States. Well i, i think that that, that case is being made. Whats up both donald trump and with 100 vitamins of rubbery, ask republicans, they see whats going on with how theyre buying their think youve got some sort of special break from the justice department. And thats the presence of sun, and now you have this persecution of donald trump mean. What republican see is i see and on equal up for, for the prosecution of the law. And they also look at the judge and i see that the judge used to work it 100 binds law firm may say what the heck is going on here. So republicans look at this and theyre like, they think that hes being persecuted, but they, they are also along here for the show. I think its important to point out that the hunter biking prosecution was led by a trump a point to prosecute. Uh, theres also initially he was initially pointed by obama and theres a lot he was re appointed by trump. So youre going to evaluate and thats because trump had no idea of a person now. And one of the great criticisms of conservatives when it comes to donald trump is he had very little idea of who is appointing and did a very poor job of it. And thats what got them in trouble as present as america pull it to american politics and trouble because of what a boat has a, because everyone points as well. But donald trump is that the what about hunter bite, but under bite . And what about . And he mentioned someone else, well, its all about try to get those voters in the middle, right . Because theyre the ones who decide elections. And what about of them is a consistent theme in politics and america. And its all part of, you know, um, i guess you can say its a race to the bottom, but this, the populace world we live in and yeah, i mean both sides are not without saying. And i think we can we of all see that by just watching both, both sides of the political ledger, someones bit of bolton postings for a long time. Do you just spear it . Is it tiresome that this is what american politics has become . I dont despair, actually i think that im getting more people involved. And if you look at the last several elections where people have voted and never before using a higher voting for sensors, never before the, you know, this kind of reminds me of the Andrew Jackson revolution of, of aging twentys when people were despairing of all these, you know grubby, dirty wester is coming and the votes mean that they feel the same way about the trump voters. I, i think, you know, the, ironically you have more people involved in politics. Theyre not there, sometimes the right people, but they are according to the li classes, but there are the people and theyre making their voice search both the left and the right. Do you think there are some republican senators who, at this stage regret not impeaching donald trump for january the 6th . Because if theyve done that, you wouldnt be able to run again. Hed be bound from office. And so the whole idea of him perhaps being convicted here and running for president , well wait for this where i think theres a lot of republican sanders who wish donald trump to go away. But they also know if they would have voted to convict down trump. They would have lost whatever election they would end driven from office, maybe in peace themselves from their own state parties. So i think they probably probably look back and they were style trump of go away. But they know that hes not what. Okay, that was the stuff going on. And how do you think if he is convicted here that will play out on a president ial election . Can we . Can we continue just to say, when he says theyre coming after you, but im in the way. I mean thats not exactly right. I think i think its a very telling what a 5 point. And i think as i think the Republican Voters largely really um, i also think that this, if this proxies us board and if they get a conviction in the dc court, there will be appeal to the supreme court. And i guarantee you that the sprinkler overall you think i dont think its going. I think this is actually a very, very weak environment. And im, if i are going trump, i would say that this thing that i most want to focus on. Because its the indictment that im best able to with because well because that took the spot for his speech. He didnt do an assignments. Hes basically saying that down from new the one the last election. And thats what the, or the fact that he somehow knew the very last, i dont think he, i think he really Still Believes that he won the election. And to prove that point is i think, part best by the prosecution. And i think that jack smith is not, is going to prosecute as people think. And i, a bob mcdonald, who is the governor of virginia, has this report to prove that thats the case. And i mean, i know, you know, lawyers, this might be an unfair question, but if i say im going to go hold the money in the bank, is my money. Okay. And then i going to give me all my money that doesnt suit and take the money from the bank. Thats more than we speech the past 2 months. Please be. So this is a free speech argument at difficult one to the way i dont know whether or not its saying is that theyre not saying that statement. Theyre not saying that he caused january 6th. What theyre saying is that he says theyre not, theyre not using assignment herself as conspiracy by a model or, but i think its pretty far fetched. I will say it right. I do think theyll get a conviction in dc. I just dont think itll hold up for a joint. I know youve got to go. I really appreciate your time and your insight. Thank you very much. Deep and sorry for throwing a legal question. I know youre not a lawyer. There are a lot of people who are here who believe that they know how the court will deal with this. People think the the or how the case is going to pano. And many of them as youve been hearing from she happen from heidi as the believe the. 7 just easy for him to be convicted, not because, but thats so how it works. Jack smith is going to take his team into court. Theyve got to present evidence, 1st of all, to the judge to show that this case is bible. And then theyve got to convince 12 people that beyond a reasonable doubt, what donald trump said was illegal. And you can hear that some of that protest theres of no time their voice and certainly find their mega point in with that. Why dont you back to do . All right, thanks a lot for that highlighted well as alan was saying, yes, protest as help indeed found that voice. Some of them both for trump against trumpet, been gathering around the court house in washington, d. C. By the barricades heidis your country is that she is being meeting people in the crowd. Somebody to heidi for a city that sold at insurrection take place on january. The 6th 2021. Now this cool case, what a, what a turn of events. Thats right. And you know, it actually happened all so quickly. This indictment was a now so was immediately on sealed. And just 2 days later, here we are with the former president s 1st court raymond, and really talking to people here who live in washington. Any said they were caught off guard for this that happened and escalates so quickly. That said, we are all now waiting as the president , the former president is having his arraignment occur as we speak. Hes been in that courtroom now for some 1015 minutes. A likely hell be there for another 15 or 20 and then everyone is expecting that he will quickly make his way back out of the court room. Likely the same way he went in, which was right past where we were standing through the underground garage. Also, some more details coming out of the court room were told that trump is dressed in his usual uniform reveals, so to speak, the navy blue tide of the Navy Blue Jacket rather the red tie. Hes with his 2 attorneys. And interestingly enough, among those within the court room, our 3 Police Officers who had defended the us capital on january 6th, 2 of them had been injured, and another was pursued violently by this mob. One of them releasing a statement after entering the court room that he just wanted to see those actions held accountable. And of course, this is the same court house where some 1000. 00 defendants have been charged in that attack on the capital. Some of them sentenced up to 18 years in prison. Its notable that those long sentences were they were found guilty of insurrection over trying to overturn the us government. And its interesting as our guests have been pointing out, that that is not a charge that was levied against trump in this indictment. Rather, he has been accused of conspiracy to defraud the us to deprive people of their Voting Rights and to stop and official proceeding. And speaking to experts, they say that might have been intentional, and that the prosecutors did want to tailor this case as narrowly as possible. Make it a compelling case, not only for the your, e before checked, potentially for the crater American Public to digest. And very importantly, in order for this trial to be completed potentially before the next election in november of next year. Anyway, thats all far down the road as were waiting for this 1st here at Court Appearance of donald trump in this conspiracy to defraud the us and voters case to wrap up the heidi many thanks so that thats heidi was saying, the boys very much rolling in the legal procedures now were probably about halfway through that hearing and which donald trump is being fully arrested. And the range he will not be in handcuffs, but he will have a chance to plead guilty on guilty. A few guesses as to what we think donald trump will say, whether that of course, will be a message that his lawyer says on his behalf of these a lot of pictures from outside the court room, things are pretty, come out there are few protests is against trump a substantial number 4, but nevertheless the police in washington dc havent been given violence much time, a tool between the indictment being issued and this quote, date being sent to arrange all the security. And there is a ring of steel barricade around the, the court house, a row of trucks of being especially parked by the police. Thats where void to any trouble, but everything is pretty peaceful. Lets take a closer look at the full charges. Donald trump is facing a bit more detail now. I mean, the indictments, donald trump, will have to also include conspiracy to the for the United States are refusing to accept his loss of the 2020 election. A 2nd charge, a conspiracy against the rights of voters by depriving vices of having that counts properly counted. Also, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding Technical Support is elections cannot be trusted. Im claiming that they are rigs and obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. And congress was trying to certify the elections on january the 6th, 2021. Okay, last spring. And michael is a golf, whos a student, washington, dc and investigative journalist, michael, welcome back to the program. I guess the big question is, will these charges stick eventually . Will it not Donald Trump Office punch as well . I, you know, this is going to be a long drawn out process. Its not quite as clean as the prosecutors presented in the indictment, although there is some really damming stuff in that indictment.