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as russian forces pushed towards the city of slob, ganske and ukraine's president delivers a message of unity and resilience as orthodox christians. mark easter sunday. ah, emanuel micron has been re elected french president for a 2nd term is far right, challenger marine le pen conceded defeat. shortly after poles closed, an early estimates were released once official, the victory would make my crown the 1st french president in 20 years to secure a 2nd term. the runoff between macaroni la pan was held after elections on april. the 10th failed to produce a clear winner. this is the projection micron house, 58.2 percent of the votes, while his far right rival got a share of 41.8 percent. these figures are an estimation based on early counting. when her concession speech marine le pen said the result puts her party in an excellent place for the upcoming legislative elections. are they're in love i, they, me what we've been declared dead a 1000 times. and a 1000 times history has proven wrong. those who predict or wish for our demise in this defeat, i can't help feeling hopeful. this result is proof of a great defiance on the part of the french people on that our leaders in france and europe cannot ignore its proof of a widely shared wish for a great change. the french people have expressed to nice a wish for a strong opposition against emmanuel nikon, one that will continue to defend and protect them that when a tasha butler joins us now live from paris, sir natasha looks like judging from me, sir. the major results, the french people have wrote it voted for a continuation yes, a continuation. it looks like a 44 years old. emmanuel macro is just about to embark on another 5 years. as fraud says, presidents, you can see the eiffel tower between me. he will be at the park at the foot of the eiffel tower, very soon on the shoulder mass, or where supporters have gathered for a celebration for a party and also to give his victory speech. i'd like to bring in though our guest appear husky. veteran political commentator an observer here in france, he's been following the election with me throughout the evening for emmanuel mackerel. this was obviously a victory he had hoped for. it's a victory he had worked very hard for, but we've heard from many of the other presidential candidates in this race, including of course, marine le pen, his defeated rival. and they are all talking about the parliamentary elections that are coming up in june in june. which i called the 3rd round in some respects in france. tell us a bit more about the challenge for macro head. well, the problem is that he had a very good results. 58 percent is definitely a good result for him. his followers were fearing below $55.00, which would have been a more difficult but most. busy of the voters can be either is supporters or people who just wanted to block my lip and on the far right. so the legislative elections will be the new tests off the political landscape in frost, which is undergoing a big change. because the traditional parties of almost collapsed and you have 3 political forces, you have my calls center, a big center, a major chunk of the political spectrum. you have 9 loop and who has increased the number of votes in this election compared to the previous one. so she's a strong contender on the right. and then you have georgia middle shore who did well in the 1st round, although you in 3rd and wants to take a revenge in the parliamentary election. so you can have a big fight between the 3 and the chance for mccoys, obviously to have a majority. because if he doesn't have a majority, he will be forced into a corbet as yours. we call it in frost, which is a different political orientation between the president and the prime minister. and that's a source of let's say, a attention and difficulties. some could be very difficult ahead. then you mentioned joliet. well, also the, the leader of the far left in his speech this evening when he was reacting to macros. when he said that emmanuel michael was floating on an ocean of abstention, because a quarter, maybe a 3rd and french people simply didn't go out to vote. that's gonna be hard for manual, michael, because we've already heard people this evening say he's hasn't been elected legitimately. yes, the question of legitimacy is definitely going to be asked 1st of all, because of the attention. and secondly, because of this half baked a cake that he has that the he has one, he has a good majority of the votes, but they didn't all come on his program on the, on his person, but they came against a mary le pen. so people will be asking the question of the gentleman, see when he will be introducing tough reforms. he has had her on his program at the extension of the departure age for retirement, which is very controversial and promises a big social. but also this question of legitimacy. will be a kind of follow up on this election. although you though, the result is, is what counts and definitely your neck. and we'll have to prove that that is a legitimate or president, particularly with the use it. we've had 40 percent her attention by the younger version. so yes, and that's very worrying because it's, it means that at this category of the new citizens a don't feel and don't identify with the political system or the elected leaders. and that's probably it should be the priority of the president in terms of changing the way people deal with the state with the political system. and he may have to do something to perhaps slightly reinvent his image because he has been seen as our guarantees of to been called in the past the present to the ridge. someone who moved from the center perhaps too much to the right flattering voters, were worried about social issues. we saw the yellow mess protests. he's gonna have to try to appeal to some of them. or maybe he doesn't. well, he has promised many times to reinvent himself and he seems to be unable to do that . but definitely both on his image of social arrogance, which is really probably the most embarrassing one or it particularly when he wants to deal with social reforms. and that's going to be very hard for him because that so entrenched in his public image that it's going to be hard for him to, to change it. but he's promised to change the way politics operate in this country . he had promised that already in 2017, when he was 1st elected, he hasn't been able to deliver. and his political party, or marsh is non existent, has not been able to change the way we make politics in this country. so the challenge is to do now what he has been unable to do in the 1st term. so i am not sure it will be able to deliver on that. or i p i ask you thank you very much indeed for bringing us your insights and expertise. as i said, emmanuel, my call so far estimated result, 58 percent. marine append 41 percent. she has already conceded defeat and is looking at those pol t elections in. gene batson are excellent. thank you. natasha butler, you angel, gasoline you seen from the pictures there behind natasha emanuel micron. it will soon deliver an acceptance speech under the eiffel tower. the shop to de miles while we wait for that. let's bring it out to serious senior political analyst, mo and sharra, who joins us live from paris. mo and not li, upsets some had hoped for others had prayed not to happen. a continuation candidate by the looks of it. yes, absolutely. and clearly as a continuation perhaps of the same lawston and the random, or you know, election as it were. the french are not exactly set about what they want, and it turned out that they turned to mac a macro because they also don't want the far right and right there in the, in the early, 1st round. if you remember, they were kind of split than among different 10 parties of sort. so it's, it's continuity. but it's also a bit of searching for, for a way forward because macro presented the centrist position. but it's nothing in the ology, the centrist position that micro presented, that continuity is missing, basically a mix of neo liberal policies of the right and some form of social, our policies from the left, including on the environmental zones of us. but even there, he didn't deliver all that well. so it's a mix. and even that people work for him in government are all social lights on all the republicans. so he is trying to make his way, but he's also trying to out, you know, format is trying to crystallize. what does this center look like in europe? because neve and you, of course, worked in various parts in europe and noon. and you know, to, well, that france is a trend setter in europe. what happens in france will have important implications or amplifications in the rest of europe. the victory against the far right is very important because i think that would be felt in italy, in spain and in holland and other places in germany. but also the centrist put position and probably a 3rd legislative election. we will see a coalition of sort of the suntrust sentiment and i think that's going to be important for europe and, and that's why i think a lot of people in europe are saying a sigh with relief because it would be a continuing to not only for science, but there will be a continuity for europe and the european project, especially at the time when it's facing major challenge from the east mon, my wanna talk talking about serves trend setting for the rest of europe, or do you see this now as being the end of a kind of political populism that we've seen over the past few years. obviously we had the brakes at moments here in the u. k, we had trump and trump has them in the united states. people assume before, are these estimated results that this could potentially be another trump moment for france, but that doesn't appear to be what the french people have decided what they learned from what's going on elsewhere in the row in the, in the world. you think well, clearly they looked at britain and they didn't like what they so because clearly, britain after briggs is not doing that well, right. and they understood that the united states under trump did not do that well either. and yet, i would say the following, those, you know, who are celebrating, perhaps they are celebrating a bit too early. because you know, the far right is making is making inroads. they're making strides. they're making progress, even though they lost today in france. but they are making major, major progress. i mean, just few years ago, couple of decades ago, there were on the margin of the french politics. today, they are at the main stream of french and european politics. they've actually got that should one elections in different parts of europe at one point in austria, in poland and hungary, on saucer with populous leaders are winning. and that's why i would worry, and about 2027, just like i would worry about 2024 in the united states. do your out. we really sure trump is not coming back. are we really sure to depend, might not when the next time around or much he will do better on the list. their selections will look. it all really boils down to what the macaroni and the shorts and germany of the world will be doing. next. will macaroni be able to use this mandate intelligently representing wider sector of the population. really try to bring the poor as low along with the rich, not only invest in the rich but also protect the poor. will he be able to actually chart a 3rd way forward that is not just a mix, or i ran the mix of left and right, but something else that is new for france and europe. and again, set a new trend within the continent that remains to be seen. i came, our bashar are joining us live from paris. so just as political, alex obtainable as gladly. so thank you very much. let's go back now to it. natasha butler, who joins us live again from paris, just been listening to mo, on there, natasha talking about say, the need as opposed to a minute. my crohn to carve a new political path for not only him and his party, but for the country as well. bringing on side those that this time round of obviously let their votes to, to marine le pen. and of course, now it's time for united the country it will be a challenge. of course, a minute micro is well aware, the many people who voted for him in this election only voted for him in order to blog marina pan in order to block a far right candidate that they're not necessarily i impressed or attracted to his policy. that is something he will have to deal with is something he had to deal with when 2017 as well. but i'd like to bring in a guest right now, christine caddo. she joins me from the university of paris. you're very welcome. indeed, very busy night, of course, a very busy night for my new micro who becomes a present for another 5 years. we've been hearing from other candidates in this race. we heard marina, the pen conceding defeat. we've also heard messages of congratulations, most notably from e. u. leaders, the head of the commission, the head of the council, both writing to congratulate emanuel macro. these 2 candidates have a different visions for the youth and they, yeah, exactly as it's probably the most. the most prominent differences between the 2 is the, the ration should to e, you integration process. i'm in my manual. manual mccoy is obviously a pro european ah leader. i. e campaigned on that last time to actually, and we can see today the, all the open flag that people are, i guess with the foot of the eiffel tower in the park there. i've seen a lot of your exactly, and was not looked so present last time in 2017. not so many european flags, mostly french flags. so e campaign on dots of the european prizes. so of course in the crane out, im also to other a clear pro european agenda and it probably deserves or not that that. well, my le pen, how's it that the profile that they linked to protein is probably didn't help so much for it for the election. that's right. because marine the pens, links with the leader in the kremlin, with vladimir putin. she had had a loan from a russian cheque banker in 2017 for her campaign. then she got questioned a lot about that and she is exactly entering the debate between the manual, my call and my in le pen e emmanuel am i can add this sentence for avery, quote, quite a joke actually. so you, when you talk to put in, you will not talk to a head of states, you will talk to a banker to your banker. so it's through that it's, it's was unexpected sentence but still was difficult for her to answer for that and very difficult for her to shake those links at a time. of course, when were watching the russian invasion of ukraine. i want to talk also about these parliamentary elections because we've said so many times this evening that they are considered almost a 3rd round enterprise rental election in france. they are so vital because emmanuel mcgraw, his party had a majority until now that gave him a lot of power. he was able to push through some controversial reforms. it's going to be quite a challenge, isn't it? if he doesn't get a majority in june, it will. but actually the majority system that we have to compose to parliament makes it more easy for him to other majority. because, you know, my, in the band so far with this system won't be helped. usually we have this republican unity that next that from left to rights, usually candidates are helping each other to to gets the seat the need are and compose the group that can exclude the far right from the that the french parliament. so it's probably gonna be the same again, and i don't, i call proposed to change the system but obviously won't change it to morrow for the next election that are in a few weeks now. so if there is a, a quite a part of proportional system within this system, it will be for the next legislative action in, in 5 years. so at the end of the, in, under michael mandates. so in his presidency, and then that is macro. he has a lot to celebrate tonight, no doubt, a lot of work ahead. marina penn though, is also saying this is something of a celebration. he's off to see. she's lost the presidency, but she's saying it's a great victory for her policy. she said the far right is doing better than ever. exactly. yes. between her father and her. i mean, she did pretty well, but who founded the job? right. so she tried to become more popular by leaving updates that the father is spirits are becoming more, you know, from the right side and not to say far rights. and she probably, and success succeeded in that's, that's a sense which probably will gain also some support from the thumbnail. i probably can't parties. well, people will probably leave that. i probably can't, that is to serve in front. is alfie that, that in just collapsed completely. and so people like i think c o t in the position of my expertise, not very clear that probably will move. and part of the electors also will probably i will vote and have voted for for her today. so all right, kristen, can i thank you very much for your analysis and for joining us on this election evening here in paris, we are waiting for a manual micros victory speech, which as i've mentioned before, is going to take place not far from us at the foot of the eiffel tower in the house of paris, of course, a symbol and an image for this president who goes on for another 5 years back to you. all right, natasha butler. empires. thank you very much. as you heard there from natasha, we are expecting. i mind your micro to give an acceptance speech on the shoals. tomorrow's which is natasha said underneath the iconic eiffel tower. these alive pictures of the scene, the large crowd of people. my quote most certainly likes to pick his le mars because in 2017, when he won the last presidential election, he was in front of the louvre museum. clearly wanting to put himself firmly on the political and landmark map of paris, i suppose. so, expecting to speak very soon, obviously a very, very busy man, but an awful lot of people to the bank. we expect to see pictures riving this reasonably se. okay, well, let sir. now speak to laura committee, paris based political journalists. laura, obviously, before these are projected results came out an awful lot of discussion about a potential political upset. it looks as if french people were not ready to turn the political landscape completely on its head with the by backing le pen on mass. yes. good evening. and yes, apparently there were not ready and apparently many voters from the left and decided to support macro, even though they did not support him because they loved his program or his candidacy or better. what, what in france li, call the republican front. meaning that all parties or movements will ally against the far right movement, and it is damaged, but it still exists apparently given the results at this evening gives a reminder of some of the key issues in this year's election. overstate the forefront of people's minds. the cost of living, squeeze the cost of fuel. we've seen whole raft of protests in recent years. many people angry at the increase the cost of living and a lot of the anger directed at the manual micron. but clearly, the results are in his favor by looks of things. yes, sure. well, as you said, one of the main issues or of this campaign, especially in the last weeks, was the burger chasing power. and especially with fuel prices are rising. that was an important topic, a especially given that we in france, we had the movement of the yellow ves, and that will perhaps be in the next month again an issue and a motif or protest rallies. another big issue also is the international situation with the war in ukraine, of course. and apparently in the main event has campaigned a lot about purchasing power and trying to talk directly to the working class. and emanuel mc home might have appeared as more and more reassuring candidates continue, etc, and also as being in charge of old diplomatic and international topics. though, my corner of course, in recent wigs is done an awful lot to try and soften his image. he's a jettisoned trademark immaculate suit and tie. you've seen him wearing sweat shirts. do you think he's been able to in many ways, bridge that gap? because of course, he's been criticized time and time again of not being a man of the people, but being more representative of the educated cosmopolitan elite as opposed yes. what i have observed during the past few weeks. so just after the 1st round is not really a manual micron trying radically to change his image or to or to change his speech . he has, he has not really, you know, many left voters were expecting him to, to come up with new ideas more, perhaps about the environment or about social justice. and he has a quite, you know, state firm on his initial program. but it's true that it, during the past most he, he appeared as being very busy with the president presidential function and not really complaining on the ground. but for the past 2 weeks, he was really busy. are going to meet voters all around france. so he really managed to run an active campaign the past days. and what a real of her she now finished. well, that's a big question just because in an interview for some weeks, a few weeks ago, she said that this person and she'll race might probably be her last one. that the speech that she gave is sitting a has quite a different, a different meaning. because said she would never, and i quote, she would never abandon the french people. so apparently she's already very focused on the legislative election, which will be in june in france, and maybe promising to run a 4th time for the presidential election. we'll see what she has appeared to be able to do is to reach out to people who perhaps don't feel like they are represented, represented by the, the common left i suppose in the country. yes, that sir, that's very interesting point. from his social social, logical point of view. she really convinced a lot of people among the working class. while of course, among the working class, most people would decide not to vote. so the extension would be the 1st party, but or the national rally man appends marty. it has a strong party among working class people. and of course the traditional left party in france. so the socialist party or, and even the communist party are not so strong or any more in this part of the population. but john monotonous party of hostile means is quite strong among working class to so it's really like a like mine or been angelic menache them. or are you seeing the working class and melissa in equal parts? okay, laura committee, thank you so much for joining us. thank you, have a nice evening or al jazeera bernard smith is about micron victory celebration in paris and sent this update but only shown them as just the ports of the eiffel tower macaroni supporters of gather they were here for the result when it came in the chair went up and now the waiting for the president come and see if his victory speaks the 1st french president 20 years to get the 2nd run, the present, the presidency. the last ones are cheap. it was a jack cherokee. my problem one, despite concerns that is the loop style with the label he's been lumbered with stop with the president of the rich would help marine retirement in the end. this victory over the fan of walls, player microphone benefited. perhaps again, from the idea, very republican from the idea that everybody who go to the other candidates in the 1st round should come together to stop a candidate from the far right. getting into the elise a policy that seems to work. again, the challenge macro in the next 5 years. he's trying to unite what is clearly a very divided country you're looking at live pictures of the center of paris, the shown to mas, which is the main boulevard underneath the eiffel tower, where large numbers of a minute microns supporters of arrived that a here, micron speak we have seen pitches there, they are of a micron being driven a high speed of the motorcade, of course, through the streets of paris. there he is, his hands waving out of the window. we've also seen images of him beaming with happiness by the looks of things expecting to of course hear what he has to say. setting the political agenda for the next few years. we'll, let's of course, bring back marin bashar, our senior political analyst for more information or more of a digest of what's going on there in france. my one of course, not only is this when resonating across france is also going to resonate internationally as well. we've seen a couple of lines and comments arrives so far. britain's prime minister boys, johnson, a congratulating macro for being reelected. the same comments for the german chancellor love shows. what does this mean beyond france? well, certainly a major, major pleasure in berlin. clearly show so i just happen to have a partner like like, like micro, i think they probably see eye to eye on various european issues. and i think that's key because anyone who knows anything about european union knows that without french german cooperation, french, german understanding, i would even say french german, you know, romance, there would be no, europe, and europe would not be going forward. and so it's very important that the macro made this victory today, and hence it's going to be possible for him to work along with the german chancellor moving forward because there are some major major challenges, not to be of course, of our european country ukraine being invaded by russia, but also there's something important about, of course, you know, we know that macro was really annoyed, bitter and angry about breakfast and they had the silly fallout with, with johnson after after record. so clearly i think the tension within the will probably continue moving forward. but i think the most important issue needs a new word in moscow on, you know, a lot about that. is a macro tied to, not only to have a central policies within france. yeah, i hear you try to lead a centrist fast way within europe, between the united states and russia, between the united states and china, even internationally. and i think on that front he failed. not necessarily because of it's, it's his fault because of the circumstances because of the russian ambition, because of the american interest and, you know, recreating nato and so on, so forth. because for those of us, what a member in the early part of his presidency macro said to was brain dead. and it was time for a european army. he said, a european army that would stand for russia and believe it or not would stand against the united states. he said back then, right? that this would be a european army to defend europe. what all that of course now is in the past. obviously, a man or the, your lilian defense is now is dependent on, on america more than ever before. a lot of the international rhetoric care for a minute. my chrome though is one him support internationally from other european leaders and lead us further afield. but he was criticized during campaigning for perhaps ignoring domestic issues and putting for instance, cutting a deal.

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