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the who's watching over there with lisa whole rahman, in doha, reminder of our top news stories, crowds bikini fences, capital. i've been celebrating the military cou, a group of soldiers, these power, and the pose present rock about whose whereabouts are known to neutralize, just you'll see, to the death because of the continued problem of safety in the country. the incapacity of power in the country. we have to deal efficiently with the situation for the safety of the nation. we have decided to assume responsibility at the national and international level because of safety. we have decided to put an end to the rule of the president, a decision taken only with the aim of protecting the country and bringing together all the different forces. the actions undertaking yesterday happened without bloodshed. the government members and the president are being kept him safe and safe place. the russian and ukrainian officials are set to hold hawks on wednesday to de escalate tensions. germany and france will be part of the meeting, which comes as nato reinforce military present from europe. the u. s. the order that strips to be heightened alert. at least $900.00 people are being killed after fighting broke out at night club in indonesia, west poplar province. the building court fire of violence broke out between 2 rival gangs. 6 football them had been killed as in africa, cup of nations game in the whole nation. come, they were crushed in some p, trying to enter the stadium just outside the capitol. yolanda china was ordered 2000000 residents in beijing to get tested full krona virus. it comes after a rise in infections in the chinese capital head of the style of the winter olympics. is one of those stories on our website at al jazeera dot com is updated throughout the day, and i'll be back with more news in half now. the next on out there, it's inside story with hash harbor to stay with us. ah, now g 0 with no. was behind the latest military co indicator fast. so the president is arrested as soldiers meet me against a government failure to stop attacked by all groups. what's required to restore stability? this is inside stored. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm in ron con. it's the african country where military coups happen all too often in the latest attempt in bikini faso into that is down the main t v stations on the military control and soldiers say they've detained president ro, chicago ah, tension escalated on saturday when security forces fall to protesters who blame the government for failing to stop attacks by on groups on sunday soldiers mutinied at military bases in the capital one could do. and 2 of the cities, the leaders of the revolt made 6 demands, including the replacement of military commanders and better equipment to fight on groups. some protesters showed their support in street demonstrations. the defense minister went on tv to deny a coup attempt. and the government imposed the curfew. nicholas hack is de monitoring developments for us from docker in senegal. there are celebrations in the capital walker to go and across the country. many saying that president hawk mcevoy had it coming. he was seen as weak and inefficient in the face of growing attacks from arm groups linked to i, sal, and al qaeda. and the tipping point happened in november where security forces almost 50 of them died in the region of a nuts, and there was public outcry when it turns out that only where they ill equipped but they had gone weeks without receiving their food rations present. hawk hawk mccuber was seen as a president that was not equipping the soldiers sent on the frontline without their food rations. and so there were protests across burkina. faso in those protests were clamped down and present rock. michaela made a series of measures dismissing his government several times, most recently dismissing several senior officers. some of them were arrested, allegedly plotting a coup against him. and so it seems now that they, the military are now in charge of burkina faso. this may be a step back for democracy in a region that has seen 3 coups one in guinea, the other in molly, and now in brooklyn, of fossa. but for many in the country, it's seen as a step forward for better security. more than 1500000 people have been displaced in over 2000 people have been killed in a country on the verge of chaos. despite the support of french forces that are on the ground, nicholas hawk al jazeera for inside story. we'll introduce a panel in just a moment, but 1st, let's take a quick look at how we go ahead. no, as nicholas hack mentioned, a taxing to iceland, al qaeda have killed thousands and displaced around one and a half 1000000 people. the military has been suffering losses since the violence began in 2016 last december. more than 50 security forces were killed in the north . the continued killing of civilians triggered at demonstrations against the government. military leaders also complained about a lack of equipment and training. in october, president roche cavalry replaced the chiefs of the army and the air force to quell discontent within the military. and earlier this month, a dozen soldiers were arrested on suspicious of conspiring against the government. ah, that's broken, i guess, in acro, the capital of gunner emmanuel casey, and inc, director research to the coach, you know, international peacekeeping training center and about holler in sweden. yes. will be allison, senior researcher at no dick africa institute, and from casa blanca in morocco, dumber gate, a journalist over and former director of information that i course, let's see, economic community, west african states. i welcome to you all. i'd like to begin in casablanca, in morocco with you, a dom again, president roche campbell has seen the writing on the wall for a long time. in fact, he did ref, senior military leaders. but that seemingly not enough to stop a qu from happening. how much trouble is he? and i did promise because this was, as you run say, writings on the wall, people will not happen with the civilian in the country or should the military you will not be. and you remember last year, 1453, a will either town called you not a mission and food for this. so the, a government for changes. so you 1st and the big stuff, but the 1st 2 little bleach. and indeed, there was really a race toward the story a just the 2 weeks ago, there was a, do not want him by a gentleman was a controller by the military as you was until yesterday. but people including a legal, he's decided to strike yesterday to me, but i think they're just towards the president working up a so, and the people are here to then you not just off what have you, where you where the it and later, despite the 3 of mission lead to the steel or did he said that the source you want you to do for them to fish for a company? so how a under the 2nd to just use not really a perspective you do is company of a to put them in 2015. well let's, let's make that point a manual crazy ending the killer fast. so has a unique, perhaps more than any other african nation problem when it comes to fighting al qaeda and iceland deed a couple of years ago on iso message boards, they was told that they wanted to right between a fossil, the capital of the new caliphate. that never happened, but the fighting has been tough for the king of us or does the army in the keno, fos. i have a point, they're not equipped to fight this fight, and this is why they mounted this action when i think that, i mean, that's a good point. but it's not just about the lack of bridge and adequate logistics. it's also about a doctrine. it's about the leadership, it's about the nature of the messaging and understanding of, of the enemy that they are trying to resist. and me sway best when desk clear political leadership with a message that in odessa drives the army and that it is surely dead access. i can hear it, i think that bullet county dashing off leading of oversight of control of ensuring that a stretches themselves within the abbey franklin effectively to be able to take on this enemy as be weak leading to the app itself, creating atrocity supplemental atrocities that as lead i me to lose some of the support from the business. the phil at west publish acad effects for me, is that temporary reverse out there? something all dental keena government? well, let me take that. let me take that boy to our next year, sir. yes for jonathan ah, who is in of sala in sweden? or we are stage where the president is actually afraid of his own military. he was afraid that the will become too powerful, so he didn't give them what they needed to fight that fight. and now they're actually put him under house arrest is back for his truck. he is almost back fight because he was afraid of them in the 1st place. well, i think it is a very tricky sort of structure to maneuver for the president. and that will be true of and the president succeed in coverage. that is what we're seeing now. we have to distinguish, 1st of all, of course, between the troops, actually fighting the war against you. how does them in the north of the country? and then the central military leadership, and as mr. gay said, that has been some replacements now in the military leadership. but i still had soldiers protesting yesterday, calling for another change of the head of the army, not of the president. so i think 1st of all we have to nuance. so understanding of what the different factions of the army actually are asking for. and then we also have to distinguish between the military elite and sort of the, the troops themselves. i think the presidents challenge has been that he has, as far as i've understood, he is appointed new leadership within the armed forces. now that seem to be sort of a group formerly referred to as low boys who were loyal to the state during the attempted to of 2015. and he may have sort of marginalized other actors within the armed forces that are now reacting to not being as more central to power. so it's a very complicated structure. and a very complicated game the president has had to play their dom again. would you agree the factionalism within the army is a big driver of what we're saying there. is this army in the north that isn't very happy with the central army leadership as i guess is just pointed out. would you say that that's true. yes to oh, so d, c is compounded by the fact that there is literally a given to what we can consider that mexican or b we have been benefiting from on the resources of the state where the lower rank people would go up to you yesterday. didn't benefit from so this is a reality. but beyond that, i think the country was not when you manage before we think about it all 27 years after the demise of the month of october. 97 p by the people are surrounding a country for 37 years somehow with various forces by mr. our previous president. there are 2 little is a nice and a we work in a fossil from the countries affected by a and b. but now, what is happen a, by the way, we each form a really good we go to review but much to change gears because we haven't got a, b, a u. m 1500000. but you know, the people leave this place before we leave the country. you have a funny in the country, you economic difficulties and the military is given this broader or do you think about the problem and maybe an hour from mr. lock up? i know, personally going for many years. he's a young man, but he's not the type of leaders told me that the a policy that the me to you right. really take to make sure that anybody with immediately we're really when we know that most of it is, it will somehow and under the previous president, mr. echo us have just come up with some statements quite crucial statements. i actually, they've describing it as an attempted, cute that they've also said that the army is responsible for the physical integrity of rush, cowboy, himself, an echo of also said that they want to see rapid change in the situation. is anybody going to be listening to a manual questioning? well, i mean, this sounds very much like a repetition of the same stint mans with respect to mildly, with respect to gainey and now, but i think the primary elementary and the democratic rebels, the ability of those who govern to really have a handle on the multiplicity of a problem is that the country has n for us to plea that intervening be true for all of not doing. it's need to awesome all inclusive or pin that logic form of governance. so there wouldn't be much listening because. busy look, that there were some bridges have changed, you know, people as priscilla becoming impatient, demanding governance. that's that speaks to the challenges that the face on a daily basis. and both of them in denison have told us quite a lot about the ballistic. did today. challenges of people, and i think west africa, please kindly put it must be sensitive to the driving forces of the majority of these people in the sub rigid 20 indicated unemployed. you know how sing for benefit and in christian for example, and frustrated. but with was told to know what is happening elsewhere and beg me of liberty, that's true cheap and non functioning. so whilst knowing what the counterpart elsewhere having right, let me bring up pointed to yes, the jonathan a class is the economic community of west african states. is it actually a player in this particular scenario, or like, i guess there's just that, it's again the statements that we've heard before, and they're not really resonating with the people, the poll on the ground? well, i would say that if we look at what's happening in molly, i think it was, is trying to to, to we impose itself as an relevant act when it comes to sort of in molly, trying to, to convince the military young to, to hand over power to civilian that, transitional government. but it's true that echo bus has been criticized of being sort of a president club where, you know, the heads of state of countries with questionable democratic records are looking out for each other rather than looking out for their populations. so i think everybody has a legitimacy problem to, to deal with. but i do think that these kinds of statements are necessary as a minimum i think that not making condemning statements about potential military takeover would be even worse. so i don't think there's much else for eco us to do at the moment, but they will have to work hard to deserve the credibility in the eyes of, of west african people. in general, i would, i would say adama gave the same point to you are a co s, a player right now. no, of course it occurred to me a huge type of function in a country that is almost going down the drain as being rejected by the population across not just with across africa. it in there just for themselves. why didn't they react? when you cannot be a, it was getting people or would you mind it? well, why don't they react to when a b, b for coffee machine on see when you go and know you're coming time to make it to all people. you do not like a, as a form of communication, call us at the, the changing demographics. we youngsters coming up knowing what is going on in the world and a man, and the cost of the people a cost of the state and the cost of the state to be something the need to finish and open up the field of conversation to make sure that they've got a statement that people are going to pay attention to mr. wrong mark a c s. and the problem as b was to me again, and then we'll get into the citizens. we will get into that. i do want to bring in a well, let's talk about, let's where the other organization before we get into how long the president has been powerful manual chrissy. and whereas the african union and all of this, they have a role to play with. they've always had a rule to play, but the structure of the relationship between the african union and it's read that it's becoming communities that call was based under subsidy or it's a principal become defensive. the regional organization destro respond to the challenges that book has treat then that the union will take guidance from a job where to speech. but there isn't like the term it and i said, and there might be see, how do we show that we have used to shoes? that's our response. see and sensitive to the needs of people. now when you have to teach you that i increase and i'm not perceived by the generality. ringback of the population as being and that's banding and nuanced in depth of the problem and mandating from this institution purely down. okay. so hasn't happened overnight. we saw a quest meetings in a crash where they were focusing on molly. so that gives that impression, that there's a lack of appropriate intelligence organ. so we seem to have lost a manual though. we will come back to you. yes. with unison. here we go. you have echo us. you have the african union. they are, players are within this entire scenario is playing out right now. but you also have a generational problem of corruption of mismanagement. does taken places lead to this anger, none of this is solvable overnights. so literally the future for begin of faso in the next few months will be a military, almost failed state. surely. well let's, let's hope for the best i would say. let's 1st see what happens in these coming days. as far as i know, it hasn't really been confirmed that this is a complete military takeover. i would just, i would look back to the popular uprising of 2014 and say that even before the regional had this terrorism became such an imposing problem on looking fast. so the country was facing a very steep transition from the 27 year rule of bass compare into a more democratic state. and that challenge was then compounded by the, the sort of the, the growing threat of and menace of the how does terrorism. so already. busy at that time, when mr. corporate came in, sorry, missed a couple of came into power. you know, that was a very steep challenge to face and i don't, i think has been fairly realistic in the promises he's made to some extent. but of course, any, any head of state would, would struggle to keep promises under those conditions. so what he has failed that dramatically is of course, communicating the extent to which those promises we're just not possible to keep the question of whether we're heading towards a military state. now, i think we should be very careful about normalizing military rule in the region. i think that's the, that's the 1st key point there. and i think it's up to all these different factors regional, continental and international to keep pressure on any military actor stepping forward and k may need to ship. now i think it's important that we find the way back to civilian rule if this is and do the military takeover. a dormer gay, our guest is just said we should not normalize military coups. but there is a scenario. maybe that this might be a good thing because of the jihad is terrorism, that you had his own groups that they face in the north of the country. maybe this is was needed to defeat those groups. and clearly, that's an international objective. doesn't have anything to do, the people are beginning fast on helping them, but it isn't international objective. is there a response here that is actually good? yes, this is a global recession of democracy in the world. the summit of democracy organized recently, been by them in america, was a failure. at many, you have a turkey, china, russia, a leading some countries as wanted to emulate. now you ever sort of take into account the history of looking at fossil is not the 1st time the military coming to the point to go freight. i remember a b after would be with another military and then there was a, it was a b. so he's not something you a number you can call countries to demand for t v. a ruler to be in breach. when those even the rule, once they come to power it and on the privatize the resources of their countries and what is talking to us, not for the common good. and this is the problem because i remember i was in a, in june 1999. when did that, or a you, the previous south african union decided to ensure that the b minus one of the countries against a game that the city would deliver on good governance. that they would ensure the integrity of the country. and they want to promote. but governance of their resources and this is not happening and it is fading and be surprised that more we need to be prompted by africa young a when a got left. the other gentleman said a . * woman and we pick up in general to say the least. well, thank you very much. so all our guests a manual quote. yes, maybe anason and adama gay, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a inside story for me in ronco and, and the whole team here. and uh huh. bye for now. join the debate. they a ratio of like people from the american and global story was very powerful on an online, at your voice. the comment section is right, join our conversation, we had all protected when everyone is protected. it is not by being nationalistic about us. you just look at it in a very different way. say that perspective men and men meeting each other and they don't have any solution. let me put it clear for you this dream on al jazeera with compelling journalism, we keeping our distance because it's actually quite dangerous. ambulances about the scene of the explosion inspire program making. i still don't feel like i actually know enough about what living under fascism was light, how much money did you make for your role in deliverance? 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