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how does in europe? ah, i anthony ok, a welcome to the stream. a new documentary from the new york times about the artist brittany spears takes a look at how had night and not to some music, became entertainment thought on lucas. if you'll fall in the show on you chip, you know what you can do. just jumping to the comment section because what we're asking a wrestling with is whitey. some media outlets treat women in a specific way. and how does that impact people who aren't even celebrities? that's the conversation would love you to be part of it. the media's treatment of britney spears is complicated. at 1st, the media treated her like a goddess because she embodied a stereotype of sexual desirability. so blonde, so toned, yet voluptuous, a living birby that was a powerful and problematic message and, and of itself. on the other hand, the media treatment of her mental illness was savage and datsuns, a powerful and damaging message, especially to girls and women too. that there is something shameful or stigmatized about mental illness. but people who identify as female can't recover from such illness. and that you should either be perfect as the media define it or your scum . men are treated that way. and stand by for a new alt conversation already had a who so i guess a say ready for this conversation to happen? hello to you came hello sachi. hello wendy. really good to see you. kim. tell our audience who you are and what you do. hi, my name is kim carmen, and i am the former senior director of marketing at jive records. i was britney spears marketing director for 1st 4 albums at the labels. and i've been in the music business for a little over 30 years, having worked with universal music, sony music and warner music with various artists from the rolling stones to led zeppelin to nice to have you. thank you for being with us today. and i saw just yourself to i international audience. sure. my name is sachi cool. i'm a culture writer for buzzfeed news based out of new york. i'm of britney. stan as we all should be. and i'm also the author of the aptly titled one day will all be dead and none of this will matter. thank you for being with us, britney. stan and wendy. welcome to the stream. introduce yourself to happiness. thank you. my name is wendy williams. i am the president of the society for the psychology of women, which is a division of the american psychological association. and i am also the dean of the school of education here at mills college case. i will to start with a rolling stone magazine come from 1999, and i really want to get your instant take on this. i know you've seen this before . when do you stop? what are you seeing here? 6, if you open me i see a sexualized girl who is merging and merging those notions of being sexual but also just being a, just being a girl and how, you know, the private spaces that girls tend to have and can have in their homes may make public in the ways that she knows that you're looking, but as also engagement activity in which it's truly likely that most people wouldn't be looking on a girl in her room, perhaps on the phone at home. such would you, you see not very famous. rolling stone cover? yeah, i agree. it's complicated because it's hard to know exactly how much control that she had over that kind of imaging at the time she was very young. i open it for myself. i mean will not cover came out. i mean, it was like 10 and so it was also really enticing and confusing. and there's something that you wanted to be a part of that you didn't know how and you didn't really understand how, how your sexuality works and what it meant and what the power structures were. it's very complicated. kim, can you take us into the room or the space or the conversations where a 16 year old is put on a magazine cover? like i said with magazine cover and those conversations that are happening and that is a good decision making process help us understand how that happens. well, i was there for this particular cover i was working at jive at the time. this was to promote part of the end of her 1st album and it was a cover that was shot by david la chappelle, who everyone knows payments for there are bits of control that really she had, but it was really up to rolling stone and to the top or for she actually has very little control, nor does the label have any control over the styling of that photo shoot. shoot took place actually at home in louisiana. and the set was built against that backdrop. but it really kind of took on a life of its own and many of us as a label like to many of us, my personal feelings about it were that i really disliked it intensely because it really didn't reflect who i knew was. and i thought that it was kind of creating a tangent in her career and her image that really didn't need to happen. and so unfortunately we were left with it that this was the cover. yes, it's like honda, but as far as what i see in it, i see a character when do you decide why did you decide i side because i think that what we're experiencing in seeing in and see that that image is the tension that our culture has around sex and what our culture, that tension our culture has around sex and the ways in which we supplant that in place on top of children, particularly girls and girls of all black backgrounds and the ways in which girls of diverse backgrounds are treated similarly and sexually similarly, but also how that sexualization is handled differently and watching that happen over time. so just hearing the background story. busy that it actually wasn't her home, but also the tensions that folks are having around. how to portray that and, and what types of energies or sort of centering and what type of motivation for sort of entering their different decision making about that. and where that control did and did not lie. it seems to me that seems to me that the tension around the questions our society has and particularly a u. s. society has around sex and sexuality and youth. and young people really comes to bear with that decision making process. and you choose, we have stewart cotton, i'm going to give stu it's question to you che, you can't exploit somebody who won't allow it. so if somebody is being exploited, they're allowing asap chain to look after agree with this call may be able to filter and go as absurd. it's absurd. it doesn't, it doesn't take into account, like many century avow exploitation words name way with women and girls. i mean, it's just, it is not true. ah, you know, sometimes you don't know you're being exploited until later. and, and, and frankly, i don't know if that's the case here. i don't know. that still sort of suggests that i understand something about britney spears, that she herself wouldn't know. she hasn't told us a lot. so i don't think i can make a lot of sweeping generalizations like she was willing to be a party to her own exploitation. i think that's absurd. no, she wasn't. she didn't see exploitation until as you say, after the cover came out, i think everyone was kind of taken aback. and i think that you are correct when you say not in control. she was a 17 year old girl. this was her 1st cover story, was rolling stone magazine being shot by this very famous, very infamous photographer david la chappelle, who was known for sexual rising all of his subjects. and everyone was conners that he was doing this and she was thrilled just to be on the cover of rolling stone. but after it came out with the teletubbies in her arms and there was all this innuendo. no one really thought that that was a brilliant piece of art. it was seen as exploitive lines. the idea of we had the celebrities, they reach a peak. and then somehow that peak then descends into some awful kind of tragedy. this is how lisa something i have in this the media both helped to create britney spears and destroy her depictions, allow grown men to sexual lives her and prompted young girls to want to be just like her. her downfall was really treated like a reality show that we were all watching in real time. and the media depictions are brittany women, that their social value with implicitly tied to their body. but more importantly, once their sexual capital was no longer a commodity, the world no longer how to use for them. when do you start that such a you pick up? i wow, you know, i, i think that is just so, so spot on in terms of the messages that women get about their use and usefulness. and the messages that we crap and, and, and disseminate to young girls very, very early. and it's a very different type of messaging than we craft and set up and, and share with young boys about who they are, what their bodies are, how their bodies are to be used, what they're for. and i can completely see that i have a lot of thoughts about it. however, because the story about brittany happened 20 over 20 years ago and thinking a lot about the ways in which media is not just copyright see, or media happening or towards and one, but also the media that we make of ourselves and put out there. so, you know, i had a reaction to the question that she responded to by the, the, the youtube community member, the blaming of someone. yeah, the blaming of a child. and i think that there's, there's the blaming of a child. but i also think that what is being blamed and what is the demonized a bit, is that child's ambition, which i watched the documentary and i was really proud and excited for her to go for her during. and the idea that going for your dream means that you are said to be subjected to the very sexualized violence. and i would say that there was a sort of public sexualization of the type of violence terms of the chasing her down the chase and capture to chase and capture of images, but also to capture in spaces of mental vulnerability at peak times of distress. for her as a young mother and as a young person just completely profound. and so the ways in which that sort of is on display and that documentary, and in some of the images that we now have an opportunity to look back on this is quite profound. such a go ahead. i think there's something so strange about the way that we're looking for responsibility in this topic. i'm. it's like we all want to find who we can blame for this and it's never ourselves. so even in that question, you know, can you be exploited without your her involvement? while we did it to redid it to her. i mean we consume that we like it. we want to form it. i mean, you know, anything about traditional media and copper oxy and stuff like that. i mean that would not be an ecosystem that was successful. had we not consumed what they were producing. so to act as if like, it's just her fault or it's just the at the outlets that are referring on her this way. it's not something that is many fold and super complicated and later and we're all a party to it. we are then and worse. so mostly female figures. kim kim, this ask a few things i want to show you here. and these are some of the big academic studies that have been done about the impact of when young girls and actually women see celebrities portrayed in this way. the sexualization of girls, this is from the a p, a task force. the sex lation of girls is linked to common mental health problems and girls and women eating disorders, no self esteem, depression, and a p. a task force reports, american psychological association. one more here. this is from unicef. so then look at this as a global issue. i want to bring in melissa hudson. i know i'd love you, came to come off the back of this as i am wondering if the music and the entertainment industry do they even care that some kids and some women are being impacted negatively as go to melissa hanson fest. so to the extent that girls are sing primarily are exclusively highly sexualized eroticized images of young women in the media. it shapes their expectations about what their life is good in view when they mature and what's, what society expects of them. girls who consume highly sexualized media, for example, we know are more likely to suffer from eating disorders are more likely to initiate sex at a younger age. are going to have more sexual partners over the course of their life time. they're also more likely to have an unwanted pregnancy. they're more likely to experience episodes of depression. kim, this is show business, is it even a factor? it's really, really important that hasn't really been discussed, at least from what i've seen in the city on this documentary. and that is the question of diversity in this, in this whole situation. and the fact that brittany being a white southern woman and having this culture because she came from this culture of sexualized him. and you have to understand that what she was doing was not just something that the record company created or took advantage of. but this was also part of her culture to be beautiful, to be attractive, to attract a husband and ultimately get married and have a family. this is, this is very much a regional cultural mandate. the other part of this is the sort of double standard of women of color and in the rap community and in the urban music community. how we have artists like carney be and megan this sally and making knowledge and they are very, very sexualized and very proud of it and talk about it and associate themselves with it openly. and yet it brittany doesn't get a pass. and i think that what that does is it marginalizes women of color even more because this is supposed to be part of who they are. do the record companies take advantage of it? do they care? i think they care to an extent. they have a limit obviously, but you know, because nobody's doing anything you know pornographic, but they want to make money. so they're going to use what people advertise are asking for. and i'm not condoning it at all. hasn't feminists myself? i find it a little bit frustrating, but i see it happening all the time and i think it's getting even worse because i think the media, especially in television production, with reality tv shows like the bachelor actually read or just reinforcing these. now you're going to be only a phase a tom in this law. yes. no, she came. i live. let me, let me give this to this. is jennifer jennifer is watching live right now? just a thank you. subject of personal responsibility. why don't we take more of a stand as women to actively shown these types of behavior coming from men, media, or even other women? feminist kim? why? why are women they know this? we keep saying this over and over again. we saw it in the fifty's, so in the 60, so in the seventy's, were you seeing woods? why don't we say when doing that? well, you know, some women are saying that they're not going to do that. i think that once you get to a position of power, when you look at taylor swift or adel, for instance, you're not seeing them parading around in a t. we need the teeny, they are taking a different role. you have to get to a place of power and unfortunately for women is based in show business, they have to kind of walk through the fire of become a famous and becoming household to do that. the other problem is that at least in the music business, i can say there's not enough women executives at the top of the food chain that are really making these decisions to say, no, we are not going to do that. we're not going to have our artist look that way. we're not going to sign artists that watch look that way. and we're not going to promote that. that violence that hasn't changed in the time that i've been working in the business and i've been in it for over 30 years. so that's, that's what has to change. i have to give this thought to this isn't jack jack is watching right now. he wants to know your opinion. the fact gets all of your opinion on social media, because isn't this a different era now where people and i'm paraphrasing jacket with where people have more control liberties have more control, we will have more control out what we want to put out there, who is telling the story, do we have our own story to tell such a good? yeah, i think it's a very different environment now than it was 20 years ago when brittany was sort of coming up. you have different mechanisms to control your narrative. now you have instagram, you can post in a notes apology on twitter. if you feel like you did something, i mean there's like a 1000000 ways to be able to get out ahead of a story. you don't really need to do a glossy diane's fire interview. and then in terms of the question of like control and why to us as women allow that to happen, i mean, i feel a great deal of control when it comes to my own sexuality. and i know a lot of women way and a lot of girls feel that way. i mean, that's sort of the time when you're playing with and figuring out what it means for you and what that power means for you. so i don't think we can suit one brush and say like, well, we should all just shut that down. it's that's not feasible and it's not possible. but i mean, social media allows a very different kind of conversation to happening. you as the person in the forefront of it can control it to some degree. you mentioned dian soil, which, which takes me back to an entry, she didn't personal space in 2003. when do you watch the sort of could i am wondering? is it possible that an anchor reporter would approaching to the display in 2021? have a listen. have a look. and i have to ask a couple of things, but of course he's going on television. pretty much said he broke his heart. you did something that caused him so much pain, so much suffering. what did you do? i was absent for a while. we both. i think we're both really young and it was kind of waiting to happen. when day. if she saw it this week, when would it make it? would it get to that even? oh gosh, i don't make those decisions. but i would hope that i, you know, here's an interview about her and her career and it's focused on the boy. she dated and i had the back that's given so much time and attention in a national interview for her is, is striking. you know, i wonder in the, in the era of me too, as well as, i think a more empowered moment for us as a society and as a society of women and also men and all of us just sort of saying, you know, what enough is enough in terms of the sort of gas lighting and blaming i i think that the, i'm remembering back i grew up in the ninety's and i remember him back to those tabloid articles and how it really was about the relationship that celebrities were having with one another. and how they came together, what their experiences in time the relationship looked like when they were together . and also what their break ups were about. that was really the focus of the news. and. and i wonder if i don't think that we're in a space where we would value that as much. but it, it, it truly is, you know, it, it's, it's troubling to watch and also to watch her break down even further. and in that particular spot was hard to watch, but it is kind of a, a case story for, for this conversation. i case history for this conversation. but it happened to multiple celebrities where people apologizing to decades later through decades later got really wasn't good behavior. we're sorry about this. i'm wondering if a document you can really change the way we think and we feel when can we do better going forward. leanne simmons says yes. have a listen to this kim. i think that will look back on this new york times documentary as a source catalyst for change within the media. i do think it has opened a lot of eyes. it's got the conversation started as far as the way women and girls are being depicted by the media. and a huge part of that was the fact that this documentary was female driven, you know, who better to understand the intricacies of womanhood in the seminars them than women keeping you keep your eye. i lovely and so much she is so brilliant and she's absolutely right, samantha star, director of the documentary did such an amazing job and it was a cruel of women talking about women, which i think is so important. she's absolutely right. do i think it's going to change things maybe a little bit? it's really going to be driven by social media, because unfortunately, this documentary is only on hulu. and if you don't subscribe to hulu, it's going to be difficult for people to see. and i hope that it becomes such a force and such a conversation that eventually it actually gets re aired on fx and fox network, which is so ironic in itself. if that happens, then fantastic. i think that really will be a catalyst for change. but i think that before that happens, we really have to get control of what the network see as good as national programming. we've got to get rid of these shows where women are being exploited on a regular, i'm talking about again, the bachelor and bachelorette and the reality tv shows that, you know, passed for programming because the networks don't want to spend money on production . you know, that's going to sorry, taken up the sale to i am hate watching the bachelor right now. when i cooking every like you can, you can thank you so much thought he appreciate you, wendy. appreciate you to have a look at my laptop because maybe i'm not sure of a document sheet will change the way we think, but there certainly apologies. flooring brittany's direction, kalama, mac, we are solely brittany. we're all to blame for what happened to britney spears, a one more here, justin timberlake. i'm sorry. and i well see little too late. bye joe joe. that wasn't me. that was the poster. thank you so much. we checked up to dow has out 0 ever come to britney spears story. we don't think so. but this is probably the only time and thanking you cheapest. but being part of that conversation, i see you next time take blue. ah ah. african stories by african filmmaker terrible are those those aren't over with at all or the low number. the motherland. really short documentary from her kina. fossil and synagogues do any kind of relief in berea. comedy. my you, for years i can give to law movement of the man who plants vow bomb and arrest mystery africa. direct on al jazeera, 2020, the year of luck, downs, and social distance saying we can't reach across the screen and get someone to hug . ali re explore is one of the global pandemic speakers side effects loneliness. everyone who lives alone has been forced to be socially isolated for the 1st time ever highlighting its effect from physical and mental health and discovering unique ways of coping. controlling, being alone to get that episode to of all hail the lot. down on al jazeera, i al jazeera when ever use all, ah, a pro democracy, hong kong news websites shops down after the editor and other journalists are arrested. ah, or 900 gmc here on al jazeera medina, and can all santa maria with the world news. in limbo wrangler migrants south stranded and indonesia and still waiting for a decision on the future. the us and france report their highest daily run of ours case. and since the pandemic began.

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