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Because if a government airstrike, its the 4th theft, air raids this week on the to brian capital mckelly. At least 7 people have been killed at a row hinge era. Fiji camp and bangladesh gunman attacks a Religious School and costs his bazaar. One person has been arrested haitis, National Police chief, has resigned after protest against Gang Violence and a deteriorating security situation. Workers have been on a general strike since monday. After the abduction of a group of christian missionaries, a gang leader has threatened to kill them if a ransom isnt pains. A cinematographer has been killed and the director injured after actor. Alec baldwin fired a prop done on a film set in new mexico. No charges have been filed and an investigation is underway. Those are the latest headlines on al jazeera. Well have more news right at the top of the hour, but up next is inside story. Thanks for watching. Bye bye for now. Ah. Brazils president dismissed colbert 19 as a little flew. Now a Senate Inquiry says, jr, both an arrow should be charged with crimes against humanity. But is his prosecution likely . And could this lead to further political divisions . This is inside story. Ah hello and welcome to the program. Im hammer jims room. More than 600000 brazilians have died of covered 19 the worlds 2nd highest death toll present gyre. Boston are famously dismissed. The corona virus, as a little flew, he touted misinformation and unproven treatments, even after contracting the virus himself. Now, a Senate Inquiry says boss, an arrow should face charges including crimes against humanity. The panel accused him of negligence. And intentionally letting the virus spread, both an arrow says he is guilty of nothing. A Senate Committee will now vote on the report will get to our guest shortly. First, this report from monica yaki f. While a senate panel was reading the long list of accusations against j will so narrow, the president was in north east, brazil been cheered by his supporters. A horrible voice of the people is the voice of god. Also, an arrow says he did nothing wrong. Hes criticized the senate panel, which has been investigating the governments handling of the pandemic. Its recommended the president to be charged with 10 different crimes, including crimes against humanity. But also narrow is accused of downplaying the pandemic, which cost 600000. 00 deaths in brazil, the worlds 2nd largest toll. The report says thousands of lives could have been saved if the president had taken the virus seriously. Instead, he criticized locked downs, encouraged mass gatherings, made a point of not wearing a mask and delayed mass vaccination. The report will be voted upon next tuesday. It will then be submitted to brazils attorney general, who has 30 days to determine whether he accepts the charges or not senator or matters. These were presided. The panel told al jazeera, there is enough evidence to put bull sonata behind bars. If the attorney general does nothing will go to the Supreme Court and also to the International Court of justice of the hague. We will continue to put pressure to make sure justice is done or seattle says the investigation is the loss of time. Deeper thought, who knew it did nothing except spread grudge and hatred among brazilians. But that opinion is strongly contested by Many Brazilians who lost their loved ones. During the pandemic, and my doctors and scientists who say the coven 19 probe, is historic. Because it points the finger at all those responsible for the tragedy, monica, and i give, ill just sierra morales bring in our guess in sao paolo gustavo ribeiro, journalist, and founder of the brazilian report in york, england, jaw newness, senior lecturer and International Relations at the university of york and in washington d. C. Apollo sotero, distinguished fellow at the Woodrow Wilson center is brazil institute. Welcome to the program and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story paulo. Let me start with you today. How damaging is this report . And how likely is it that president bull scenario would ultimately face trial . As a result, you will face trial, but not this year, not next year. I believe he will face trial was he is defeated in the president ial election of next year, which is a likely scenario. He will be war the crimes that were listed by the congressional committee, but obviously at the local media report, but still record straight at this man. Committed, enormous atrocities he, him and his associates, and he will respond politically at their he is obviously a soccer shield, political shoot for him, organized the congress by his workers. So the idea that the residents could be, peachy, is far fact. It was probably, its very like gustavo, as damning as this report is. It could also have been much worse. There was an earlier draft version that i believe had called for authorities to indict the president and others listed on charges of mass murder as well. Why were those potential charges removed from the final report and what impact does that have now . Well, its a little the senators who. Ready are a part of the committee believe that these accusations were very hard to prove in the court of law and would seem like a legal stretch and make it easier for business. Prosecutor general, who is someone very much aligned with the variables and added to shell for or stall the process altogether. So they believe that presenting fewer chargers but charters that are more substantiated by the incredible amount of the evidence that this committee has during the 6 months the has operated would be from the legal standpoint, a much more souled approach. Remembering that a lot of the senators have pre or Prior Experience with law enforcement. So they are experienced in presiding. Ready over inquiries, the thing is also not the last then with the legal aspect, hes also very concerned about the court of Public Opinion and for the government, the fact that the counts of genocide and murder were struck, struck down is some sort of a when even if the report is skate as scathing as it could be towards the administration because the in the words of one government, the initial everyone, those were genocide and murder is. Ready and that would be a much worse look for the president s and in the opinion of some Government Officials did the remain counts or leg aleas that will be much more difficult to explain to the average voter. Ready come next years election jaw. Gustavo there mentioned that from his vantage point, president wilson aro, would probably be more concerned about the court of Public Opinion right now. Let me ask you about that and how are his poll numbers right now . What does the public think now . That theyve been exposed to this report. Well, presence wasnt our popularity says in all time low. Despite his efforts, his recent efforts to solidify or only space, but also to enhance and increase the space by developing renewed cash and our program. The truth is that hes popularity, levels of acceptance are very low. Opinion polls suggest a very strong lead for a former president , lula the silver for the next. For the next election, we currently, according to different opinion polls, or we would have both in our remaining or to level of 20 percent, you know, the general election votes. I think the question is, as, as gustavo is saying, theres a lot of questions that pertain to the court of Public Opinion. Theres also, i think, the way in which this report has been presented might shake up the precarious balance upon which his government rest. So the current, the current government depends on the support of parliamentarians and the support of parliamentarians comes at the cost and whenever to present it is attacked. And whenever the president is in a situation of lo popularity, the cost the premium to be paid to parliamentary for 2. 00 to get their support increases. And what, what were likely happen is that this may have an impact, not simply on the general population, but also on the level of support that person are only currently enjoys from government. So as a one of my colleagues in the panel was saying, impeachment proceedings depend on the action of the speaker to Lower Chamber or to lead. And this person has so for now has been getting on a 120. 00 plus impeachment requests. The question then becomes, or whether is this with board may give strength to new or to previous impeachment proceedings. Ready to be, to be examined and palo, i thought you reacting a lot to what john was saying theres, i want to see if you wanted to jump in. And i also want to ask you when it comes to what john was saying about the next election and the popularity right now of lula to silver. Do you think that this ultimately benefits mr. Silva and the long term right now it does. The election is a year from now. This is a lifetime in politics, in any country for president little obviously has the following, according to the, at the minimum of a 3rd here. But this game has not started yet. The electoral game will see this heat up in march, april next year and also model and maintain a depend elect lauraly of this very polarized situation. Do not dismiss both model, he will a was elected with work of art, world class, and the Business Community. Now there are movements in the Business Community trying to foster a 3rd way are so called 3rd way, a candidate between the levels on im not sure if that will work, but yes, president lula is back. He can run next year, but do not dismiss the capacity of both on how to revive both should know should troll, earlier next year in the 1st half of next year, a much tighter race. Remember ball, so thatll has the power of the purse. He is not worried about fisco risk ability. He will spend anything and everything in order to be in a good position to get reelected. Many people in brazil in 2018, believe that he would never be elected because he, he represents a brand of politics that not used to it was ill. He was elect, dont do not this miserable so not yet. But yes, lar and that one final point, a ruler in order to be elected to prevail, he will have to make alliances. Remember, one thing, the 2 times the Workers Party who ran successfully for the president , c, brazza ruler, present level staff. They run in alliance with a very moderate conservative candidates. Joseph, that in the case of lula, them are in the case of gilmer. I. D, s are very conservative lead there is that represent a right wing gap because you know, societies. So this, this, this is a, still a complicated game, not clear, and i will remain like that for the foreseeable future. Gustavo looks like you want to jump in some of these ads. Yeah, please go ahead. No, i just want to read something about. Busy impeachment because i do not believe that the teacher is on the table right now for a few reasons. One, theres very little time left in both so that this term and these processes take a long time. So it would be very convoluted and we have to bear in mind that next year, congress, we only work for half of the midway point of the year after that congressman would be more focused on their own races. So the. Ready congressional works will be disrupted at this moment. And theres also another point is that everyone who is vying for the presidency is not really wanting most another to be impeached. There is this sentiment that the worse, the more wounded ball. So that gets to the ballot ball to the poles in october and next year, the easier it will be to beat him. But i agree with bob, this is a very dangerous calculation. Lets remember that people try to do the same strategy with lula in 2005 when his administration was facing corruption charges for bribing. Congressman for a majority. But then the economy turns created a lot of fuel good factors and le was reelected quite easily, is as a matter of fact. And im not saying that the same thing could happen with also other but like follows that hes not off the games because both of those Approval Ratings eloping. Busy are much more connected to the health of the brazilian economy rather than to hispanic response as bad as it was. Lets remember that last year he enjoyed the peak of his Approval Ratings. When the government handouts were given, were having a huge effect on peoples purchasing power, and then his Approval Ratings start to trend. Since september, last year, when the handouts were halves, and then in december they were expired and there was a form of hires in which we saw poverty rates climbing, hunger, Food Insecurity rise in brazil. So if both managers even blowing up the budgets to improve peoples quality of life, then hes pretty much on the game and he will try to at least get to the 2nd round and get anti left sentiment to the rest of the jobs for him. Jo out whether or not president bush noro is ultimately charged or indicted, whether hes in office or out of office. Do you think that its at all likely that federal prosecutors in brazil would go after any of the other people named in the report . Yes, it is. Likely it is, it would be, would be hard to understand such, such an encompassing report did not really do not result in any. So president wilson arrow in this report has been doctor for 9 crimes. Hes a single this. The person who has more crimes identified in there or but there are countless authors around 6066 or 65 others were also named on this report for numerous types of crimes. So it would be surprising you just nothing happens. And as a result of this, obviously it all depends much on federal prosecutor general, the prosecutor general, who is also a supporter at the moment. But i dont think this particular journal i was to watch. I dont think he can simply sit on this report because what one possible scenario that we can witness is that this prosecutor general is also being challenged and being questioned by lots of state level. Prosecutors who are unhappy with his reluctance to confront often are because if there are been numerous occasions in which both on our accusations against those and are not followed because of the actions or rather you missions of this prosecutor general. So one could see one possible scenario, which there was a mobilization of state level prosecutors that they would start their own investigations into specific individuals name to this report. Such as, for example, ceos of companies or under audrey individuals. And this could put pressure on the prosecutor general to start acting more decisively. Ready and in response to the very serious accusations that are, that have been identified in the report. So, i mean, i would be, i would find it very surprising if nothing happens, if nothing comes up. However, i think im in agreement that the most serious crime is at present unlikely. Ready that at the there will be an indictment particularly on the most serious offences that. Busy are esteem. Ready is being charged with a just for example, a crimes against humanity, although thats a, thats a responsibility of International Criminal court. But for example, the crime demick leading to death. This is a very serious accusation that im not certain. I dont think the conditions are created for an immediate indictment, palo, theres been rising anger in brazil because of the governments response to the pandemic. There has been this very emotional testimony thats been given by relatives of a people who died because of coven 19. Is the overall public sentiment in the country that the federal government has been completely negligent and perhaps perhaps even criminal in its response to the coven. 19 pandemic . Yes, this short answer is yes. I think those more than 600 people died of cold it in brazil, a country that has a health infrastructure, Public Health infrastructure. That is pretty decent, but was not allowed to work to function this time by meant that negates the existence of cove. It could say that most on our history it is at the same time, careful to judge who does he has the power of the purse. Brazil is a very conservative nation. And that this game, the electoral game has not yet started really. And that the left, by the way, very decided, and we shall see what happens in this dynamic. If the more moderate force forces are capable of producing a more central this figure, a viable candidate, it doesnt look like it will happen. Doesnt look like now. But did develop meant that this development could take shape one important point on the positive side. I be a little bit dairy here, but the fact is that e c 2 shows in brazil work, they continue to work and they are doing what they are supposed to do. It is sometimes very difficult to watch whats happening. But this report from the sent from the congress, it shows that yes, the representatives of the people are, are doing the job, they know what is the populations expectations of them. And they are reacting by investigating, by producing reports such as this, gustavo, where do things stand in the country right now when it comes to code . 19, when it comes to the state of the pandemic . How is the vaccine rule outgoing . What about infection rates at the moment . Well, brazil is, lets say the best moment of depend amick since april of last year. Ready september has been the least deadly mouth since october of last year. And death has trended down soon speaking march of this year. And thats mainly because of facts since because the government stalled deliberately stalled, as the corporate inquiry showed. Vaccine purchases from pfizer for larger manufacturers like psycho vac. But once the was state level agents started to push for the vaccine production locally that pressure the government into rolls 2 bags and then. Busy the more political pressure ramped up, the more the government was forced to increase rollouts. So now we have about 50 percent, just over 50 percent of the population fully immunized and 3 quarters with at least one dose in several big urban centers have vaccination rates right next to a 100 percent. When it comes to the adult population. Joe, we only have a couple of minutes left. I just want to ask you about the enormity of this report and the potential impact. First and foremost, is there any precedent in brazil, of a pro, of a president or, or another Government Official being held to account for Decision Making during either a pandemic or a Public Health crisis, not to do 6. To my knowledge, please correct me following to my knowledge. This is the most far reaching in the most encompassing indictment of President Office and this, and i think one of one of the, one of the peculiarities of the report that does it covers a broad re crime. So we have common crimes, crimes of the common law, civil law. And then we have crimes of so called crimes of responsibility which are crimes that are committed by those old office and as a result of their but theyre holding office. And then we have crimes against humanity. I think this is unheard of to my, to my knowledge of politics is unheard of that you have such an encompassing range of crimes identified in a president in office. So it is a very strong. It is a powerful and damning indictment of the present, but i think and i think we should also about this in mind. This is not simply about in our i think what, what does report shows and what the investigation is to 6 months investigations of this year. This commissioner demonstrated is an entire ecosystem around the president , including private actors, including the scientists, including Civil Servants in the ministry of how, who have all conspired. Or there were a lot of crimes being committed in a lot of actions and a missions been committed because hes not simply about to the government omitting to act in response to the pandemic. This is also about wilful actions that were taken by a range of actors. Some of them with knowledge, with the present knowledge that led to Public Health disaster that brazil is faced. So this is an indictment of an entire ecosystem of private parallel cabinets that are surrounded himself with that would advise him on, for example, the use of iraq. C, clark on denying or infringing social distance measures that would wilfully delayed the purchase of back scenes. So a number of the delay joining the products facility, w h, or products as well. So all of this can be ultimately the buck stops and to president. But i think this is also a powerful argument of an entire political and economic ecosystem around the president. And this is whats more, one of the most important conclusions to be taken of this report. All right, well we have run out of time, so were gonna have to leave the conversation there. Thanks so much to all of our guests. Gustavo ribeiro, just jo nunez and palo sotero and thank you to for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. Thats facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. You can also join the conversation on twitter or handle is at ha, inside stored from him how much im doing. 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