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bring the u. s. pledge 5 jobs to 1000000000 doses. space has more now form the un the us say that it is equivalent to, for every one shot of vaccine that they've given to someone in the u. s. 3 shots that given to people around the world. but there are billions and billions of doses needed for this job and they're going to need other countries to so the plea and i think the reason this is behind closed doors and so they can make this pretty firmly to some of the countries is that other countries do the same and he put some conditions on that. he said he wants the rich countries to donate vaccines. he doesn't want to sell vaccines and sit on the sovereign council step to chairman who's blame cheese. they've qu, attempt on politicians saying they turned a blind eye to what people need. 21 officers and a number of soldiers have been arrested after they tried to take control of several government institutions. gunshots had been foreigners, a vehicle carrying the cranium, precedence. principal aids happens in a suburb of capital kit, please say 110 bullets for far to the vehicle wound in the driver. president the miss landscape promise a strong response. aids has escaped unharmed. it's not yet noon. who was behind the attack? the president, the ukrainian president, says in new york, attending the general assembly and he's warned of a strong response. and while the 6000 people have been evacuated from the spanish island over lap alma, as the cobra vh volcano continues to erupt so far, destroyed more than 300 buildings. a lava is moving towards the west coast and is expected cause more destruction on its way as well. its really st. toxic gas. those, the headlines stay with this inside story is coming up next. a report of cases leading code 19 vaccine produces a failing poor countries. i'm a stand to national lock use. this amounts to an unprecedented human rights crisis . but what's behind that? and how can the vaccination disparity between rich and poor nations be bridged? this is inside story. ah, ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. i'm the stands national. has warned coven 19 vaccine developers not to put profits before lives. and it's 6 big companies to uphold their commitments to human rights. it says that pfizer bio entech mcdonough, astrazeneca johnson and johnson, as well as novak's, have deprived poor nations of the equal right to doses by prioritizing wealthy nations. the right group is demanding 2000000000 jobs be delivered to the developing world before the end of december. and the season so denounced the firms for refusing to share the vaccine technology or wave peyton writes. the group says the drug makers, a fueling, an unprecedented human rights crisis, and backed by the world health organization. it's launching a campaign to hold governments and companies to account amnesty. the report comes as world leaders are debating vaccine, the quality of the 76 that you in general assemblies 76 session will us president joe bypass expects to pledge vaccinating 70 percent of the world's population by next september zambia. as president stressed the need for vaccine equity ahead of a virtual summit host by bypassing at the u. n. g a. despite of placing the fin program high on the list of mitigation measures, zombie has only managed to vaccinate mia 3 percent of its population. this is again as the countries target of vaccinating 70 percent of the elizabeth population by the fed quarter. 2022. this clearly highlights the inequitable access to the scenes developing countries, especially that more than 2000000000 vaccines have been administered worldwide. mr . president, it is fair to set that recovery from the panoramic hinges upon mass about nations. before considering other reforms or facilities that tend to fail when countries knocked down, the economists understand national says the parts of latin america, africa and asia have plunged into renewed crises due to vaccine scarcity. it's report estimates that less than one percent of people have been an ocoee lated in poor countries, compared to 55 percent enrich ones. 1.2000000000 more people need to be vaccinated in developing nations by the end of the year. to cover 40 percent of the populations, the immunization target was sent by the world health organization. pfizer and bio and tech of so far delivered 9 times the number of vaccines to sweeten that. and then they have to all poor countries combined. and madonna hasn't delivered a single vaccine dose to those nations or india and south africa pushed for the lifting of cobra 19 vaccine, intellectual property rights. the initiative at the world trade center received the support of many nations, including the us by the proposal faces resistance from pharmaceutical companies. many say that payton's on not the main obstacle to scaling up production the let's bring in our guests for today's discussion on the isle of wight is anna marriott. she's health, policy manager of oxfam and policy lead for the people's vaccine alliance in bangalore room for sun. sally graham is project coordinator, equitable access to essential health technologies in the context of cupboard 19 project and from oxford were joined by alberto jubilee, who was a senior research fellow of oxford, you hero center for practical ethics. and he's the author of the ethics of vaccination. welcome to the program. all of you. i'll bet. let's start with you. is amnesty right? are the big 6 vaccine manufacturers feeling an unprecedented human rights crisis? they failing to respect human rights? well, i will reframe the question likely because i think that haven't restaurant, he's who arguably geisha to fulfill the human rights. now, pharmaceutical companies, of course, youngest argument would be a darren or they're not charges. so they make profit. and actually the market forces behind div use exactly what drove the craig in developing the rock scene. so these companies develop my work seems very quickly, precisely because i was on the ground, consented to doing that. and you might be good to keep that aspect. for example, because when the next pandemic tribes, we will be able to produce like seas as effectively as quick as we need. so wave in intellectual property rights might slow down these kind of process in the future. so these are one aspect of the story. however, in this case, there are 2 things to consider. first of all, the fish or the emergency for southern countries and has a bed to my right? so these are come to reason some market for. so when asked about, we are good because they are the emergency situation. and secondly, this company is received a lot of public funding for their research and development. so the estimate, i think of all these big companies altogether, it seems like $100000000000.00 public funding to develop a buck scenes. so the market argument applies applied to a certain extent. so i think sound reason to measure outside what would be normal market for forces could be implemented and we have you intellectual property at least for a certain amount of time, not forever. i mean, we need to do when it is got the aspect to make sure that is gone by strict answer to incentive to do what they did. and then the next time i think that would be at ease of our solution, given the current solution. ok. press ok, do you agree with that? are these companies putting profits before lives? i missed you, but i didn't mean that it wouldn't be, i mean, does it have to be so kind to be talking. i mean this is similar. that's a little expecting the company to hear obligation is no problems. i mean the structural problem audit mcclellan on i think our live. busy a little bit, a little bit. and then levin global livin, the obligation largely obligated to be more then be while the remains are mandated, i think and having on the organ and i'm not going to manage those. so if you have an organization like w, d will be made to bring in a new and good age monopolies. and my give me a little bit more to get is what we have. so you're not going to live them. is like a big on fact, i'm going to scan what's more, she thought says what she thinks of what you're saying, an a global vaccine manufacturers are reported to be producing something like 1500000000 doses every month. why are so few of those going to poor, middle income countries? where are they going? well, the model we have is that we are collectively, worldwide dependent on just a handful of cooperation, making these bad things. and they consequently have all the power to decide how many vaccines get made, who get to buy them and at what price and because they are driven by profit. and i would say greed for excessive profit. they are selling the vast majority of the doses to the countries where they can get the highest price. and our analysis shows that in some cases, that charging up to $24.00 times maybe more than not than the estimated cost of production. so what that doing is maximizing the profit so they can make by charging the highest price if they come to the country that can afford to pay those prices. the countries that are willingly paying more than they need to, to push their way to the front of the kid. and of course, that means that the rest of the world is being left without doses. and right now we're in a situation where people are dying, whether that things or not, this is an emergency situation. and yet we're not seeing the requisite action on the part of government to break these backseat monopolies. to share the rights to produce the doses as widely as possible to qualify manufacturers around the world who stand ready to produce them who are coming forward. saying that they could produce the faxing if the information of the technology and the legal rights to produce them were shared. they could be making them all. we could be securing a more even distribution of boxing doses around the world. but just a few governments increasingly isolated governments off standing in the way of these proposals about. so what do you, what do you make up that, is it the vaccine manufacturers responsibility to make sure that low and middle income countries have enough vaccines? or should that be the responsibility of rich nations and, and organizations such as the un? so i think the latter is true. i don't think it's companies responsibility. i think the government's responsibility to to make sure that the distribution is equitable because of the time before this kind of profits are. because the reason why we had the maxine so quickly is what tries development. it says network seen how things work unfortunately. but on the other hand, it's also true that the rich countries have large amounts of scenes that are not really necessary to meet internal needs. because some countries like the u. k, the u. s. are now talking to the 12 year old children us, it's talking about the box and find out what children in the future. now, children in which countries are a group that is a bad, bad value brought loads from cognitive team and fantasy. and it is this kind of tuition that need to be addressed, but it's not that the company's responsibility is the government's responsibility to, for example, donated this kind of, if seems to consciously actually need to. i'm used to using for children who do not really need this moment distracted than by, by amnesty of shaming if you'd like all of the, or trying to, to get government to force the companies into sharing knowledge and technology. waiving that, the intellectual property rights, even if it's, if it's temporarily, is, is it going to work? yes, for example, in india we have the companies that they've gone rent for all the g. i doesn't use the company for the licensing mechanism to break into monopoly media of the company speaks economic and the new i think that's the fact that i missed it back to the fun of the population as being one of the parts of monopolies. integration and again, it does not dawn rance gone many times and also by letter t, as because it, because it is so it is the law that has to be changed and maybe it is languishing, the w and the be to have the question, like i'm only part of that and then ask as to why companies in india, and i think i just maxine in there is so but yeah, the shading, you know, you test to put it in your 1st on. so give us some idea of, of the impact that a lack of vaccines has on low and middle income countries beyond the fact that they didn't, they needlessly, in fact, and the virus needlessly infection kills people. how does it affect fragile health systems, french economies? well, we know that many countries may developing countries already have incredibly under resolved and fragile health systems, as you say. and the in direct consequences of being overwhelmed with corona virus, meaning that people are dying unnecessarily. of other health issues that would normally be dealt with. you know that the risk of increased maternal mortality is women cannot access health facilities. we know that the rate of children who are missing out on routine immunization is skyrocketing in many, many countries. and therefore, be the long term consequences of, of that diversion of resources towards corona virus so potentially catastrophic. and in addition to that, because countries don't back things that only way of protecting people from this, these new ways of infections are locked down. and if you look at a country like vietnam, that did incredibly well. ringback in the 1st couple of ways, so some of the panoramic they've only managed to get enough doses to vaccinate 4 percent of that population. so now with the delta virus that are really struggling to contain it, they're locking down again. and people are going hungry and vietnam, you know, a country that was doing well. i cannot mclee hunger with not really a significant issue in the country. and now we are seeing people without enough food to eat poverty on the rise. so these consequences of vaccine inequality all are devastating for countries. but let me just thought, i say that i do think it's absolutely right to the point the finger at these pharmaceutical corporations. yes, government set the rules by which they work and they must take ultimate responsibility. but the agree just profiteering from these companies who have been massively financed by tax tax pay as you know, will look at the figures madana beyond tech in germany, i'm making up put the 69 percent profit on the back things charging, you know, 41000000000 above the cost of production for the global supplies to date and creating many more 1000000000 as from those profit we've calculated 9 new back. same 1000000000 as but we know that that number is on the rise. that this is agreed just profiteering, while based on refusing to share the publicly subsidized science publicly. so subsidize technology with willing manufacturers around the world who could be making more doses, who could be making, who could be saving life now. now we cannot turn away from that. i agree, just behavior. we have to call it out. and yes, we have to governments to, to step in. but we also must ask from physical company to, to, to step up and do the right thing for us to save lives, put those lives before profiteering a better. here we are holding that, the pharmaceutical corporations to account them. but they're not the only people who make vaccines. what about russia? what about china? cuba, they make vaccines as well should be, would be, should we be holding them to account in the same way as the big 6? well, if the conditions were the same, yes. so if they were producing equally good meaning safe and effective vaccine and that they had the capacity to produce enough quantity of yes, i'm not sure the conditions are the same though. for example, the vaccine, please. in russia and in china, as far as i'm, i know, are not as effective. so i don't know if i don't know if the 2 different things is compatible. i agree with what hundreds of said. so the profit of the men of his company that i'm making, i'm not talking about china, russian talking about the west or she would maybe are too large even equation. but the point is that the real delicate balance between preserving private interest and market dynamics. and because there's no sadness, so i think this is where we should focus really striking the right balance between the 2 forces. i don't know about other kinds of markets and other kinds of production systems because these are the excuse that they're talking about that of that really work and really matthew safe. so i think we should focus on the balance within these companies. persona, do you agree with that? you have a view on russia and china, the vaccine production? yeah. it does say that the way but in the beginning of the global governance mechanisms. so these are subject to the video. so for example, you, by using line we have our own indigenous example. yes, we have to get that up. so that shows, i don't those global or that may have to be short because this is not going to be the last time we need to have them in. and this might be like them, given this rather than leaving it on the, on the strategies. so the global edit and again it's somewhat one or more back to the new one as you know stopping your friends, but then i may not have been restored please. i don't really think they all get back to me and they have to be. so i think that's what i was putting what does all of this say about the way in which we deal with, with health globally and the 21st century? do our health care systems are attitudes to those systems need to know the whole? is it possible to have a globally equitable approach to health care? i remain optimistic that it's possible, but we need the political well to make that happen. we need to ensure that we work in cooperation and not in competition. and we need to drive out the commercialization of health care and, and this kind of dominance of profiteering over over public health interests and not, that's why you know, when we, unfortunately, governments are coming together and talking more about the next condemning than addressing this one right now, but when we do look at the next plan, they can how we need to be prepared for that. one of the key things that the must be on the table is that the public funding, the billions of public funding that goes in to fast tracking the development of the medical tools to combat condom makes them must be conditioned, placed on, knows that the, the resulting medical products are free of intellectual property. we actually need a new system that de links, the investment in the research and development of these medical tools. and then the resulting distribution. i'm pricing framework. and what we actually need to see is a redistribution of that manufacturing. we need it for this pandemic, but we also need to set the in place for the next one. and that needs to be, that needs to be accompanied by increased financing from all governments who have the ability to contribute to that. so that we have a distributed manufacturing base in on the african continent in asia, and bolstering what we have in h r. i. d bolstering what we have in south america. so we all know, developing countries a no longer dependent on this trickle down charity of um, sets in quantities of concepts and timing. you know, we, the right to help will never be fulfilled by that kind, neo colonial dependent. what we need is a redistribution more equal distribution of manufacturing, more equal distribution of governance, and driving out those commercial interests. which cause such inequality. in access now better feeling this is going to be the, the last on. so what are your thoughts on that? a human rights watch says that 75 percent of all vaccines produce so far gone to just 10 countries. the economist intelligence unit says, half of all the vaccines made so far have gone to just 15 percent of the world's population. what are the dangers for rich nations, a failing to ensure that the vaccines are equitably distributed. there is some risk in a sense that if the funding makes just globally, there is some drug, there is some resource for rich countries because dividers keep circulating at higher rates than would otherwise be the case. so do you want to conserve and going back quickly to what time i just said, i agree on the principle that it's public funding is kind of research and development. maxine does come with conditions and under party become a political charge. what condition to put in place? so it because now it didn't discomfort and benefit from large amounts of funding, but they basically can do whatever they want. and i want to discuss what the political will should be and what the conditions would be. so i don't think an absolute freedom from intellectual property, so just waving a district property altogether. keys said that because we need to check the balance between that aspect and preserving companies interest in developing vaccines selected by david. this should be some confusion on that because i think the national interest go by interest as well. ok, that we're going to have to leave it many thanks to date. and marius. press on solid ground at all. beto job lini. thank you for watching tickets. you can see the program again at anytime just by visiting our website at al jazeera dot com for further discussion, join us on facebook page that's at facebook dot com slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle at a j inside story for me, adrian finnegan, of the whole team here is thanks for watching. i'll see you again. bye for the news. news. news. news. little is more distressing for women than a month 20 pregnant be going horribly well aside from then being punished. boy, salvador victor, boston lot. i've seen women incarcerated. some say they're only crime with a devastating still, but i mean, our story of one woman struggle that ignited miscarriage, of justice, a witness documentary on al jazeera, the city of cobble has experience so much upheaval for decades, and they says another change to get used to and one that spar from easy situation and now the people are just lost and confused. there are deep rooted fears about the erosion of basic price to particular for women and girls, despite assurances from the taliban and about to return to true punishments for certain crimes. everybody will be safe, nobody's kid will be kidnapped again, parental now together, that feeling that way forward into the new reality, al jazeera recounts the shocking story of the assassination of counts for cabana dot. a tossed by the security council to mediate between arabs and israelis. his days would prove one of the darkest days in the quest for peace in the middle east. ah, killing the count. on algebra. examining the headline, we can have a political the census. well, that's a difference should not be the reason for kill other women invest because it's german location we've gained access to a training can run by a boy from different corner. i never see no american dream in america. you just feel like your caged animal. things like that, my child shouldn't go through the program that open your eyes to tennis. if you work today on alex, ah, this is al jazeera. ah, hello the i'm i have been in bo, with the al jazeera use are coming up for you in the next 60 minutes. the us french president speak falling over a new streaming defense pack agreeing. there should have been.

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