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How can this be happening . We can take on us politics and, and thats the bottom line. The us this strategy and the u. K. Have announced a major Defense Agreement in the Asia Pacific. Many said as an attempt by the west to contain Chinas Influence in the region that will it work and exists in echo of the cold war. This is inside story. Ah, ah, ah. Hello and welcome to the program. Im emily anglin. Its a new military or lines that got reaction from around the world. China has strongly criticize the us astray alia and the u. K. After they nouns to new deal that well see, camera get nuclear powered submarines, but the alliance is pushing back against badging. The us secretary of state and defense, have met a strongly and officials and accused china of making expansive and illegal maritime claims. Many see the new alliance and the Asia Pacific as another attempt to contain Chinas Influence in the region. By jane has accused the 3 powers of having a cold War Mentality as dryly will become the 7th nation in the world to operate nuclear power submarines will bring it out. Guess in a moment, but 1st rosalind jordan fall. This report from washington. The u. S. U. K and australia reportedly agreed to form a new Defense Alliance on the sidelines of this years g. 7 summit in england, washington and london will help it by a fleet of nuclear powered submarines. The main reason for the alliance containing china, we spoke in detail about china as the stabilizing activities in beijing efforts to course and intimidate other countries. Contrary to establish rules and norms, we will remain clear eyed in our view, a beijings efforts to undermine the established international order. We discussed the competition of china at a number of levels that requires us to respond and to increase resilience. This does not mean that there are not constructive areas for engagement with china straight. It continues to Sake Dialogue with china without pre conditions. Not surprisingly, beijing condemned both the alliance and the Submarine Deals may war. War. We are, the leon cut her turn to the export of highly sensitive nuclear power. Sibling technology by the United States and britain to australia once again proves that they are using nuclear exports as a tool of geopolitical games on adopting double standards, which is extremely irresponsible which entities in washington journalists pummeled the ministers with questions about the security pack. Is check in chinas efforts worth offending it or offending long standing partners. This is about enhancing our, our cooperation, our work together, ultimately about enhancing Security Stability in the pacific. It is not aimed at any country. Its certainly not aimed at holding anyone back. The announcement of this new alliance could signal that the u. S. President Joe Biden is actively reshaping american foreign policy, bolstering new ties to deal with new threats. While telling old partners that change is not a diplomatic death knell. Rosalyn jordan, for inside story. The. Lets bring it out. Guess now in los angeles, we have paid a matthews, a professor of political science and international relations at Cyprus College in cambra, michael, she bridge the director of the Defense Strategy and national Security Program at the strategy and strategic policy institute. And in beijing we have an italian, a china, political and economic affairs, common type, specializing in by jing gentleman, thank you so much for joining us. Im going to start with you paid. As we heard in rosalind package, the us secretary of state says this move is an aimed at any particular country. But clearly this is in response to beijing and its moves in the south trying to say in issues with taiwan. Whats your reaction to those comments by the secretary of stage . Everyone knows that theres been a tension about the south trying to see. See would be to be states in beijing, and the countrys neighboring area. And this term to get australian law with nuclear power. It certainly is the 1st time is a very serious attempt to push back and balance power. So balance of power principle, the us felt that the chinese were going to far and taking care of the islands and expanding summer in trying to control that area. And they wanted to make sure the ceiling will be left open and its a very important seminal action. So i think we have major impact in the whole region also globally. Its going back to the balance of our principal. Basically, i know from a chinese perspective, this partnership is a why to counter beijings grow and influence in the Asia Pacific region a is this orcus likely to change beijing behavior at all . This is just going back to the colonial Area Era Gunboat diploma with a little cold war for era. Soviet type of sauce put on top of it. You know, the real issue here is, i wonder how, you know, the people in different countries. There are viewing this earlier and your, your piece, you talked about the u. S. Representative said the china was violating the international norms and posing as well. And people, you know, its kind of ironic is the us and great britain talking about this after whats happened and ive got a son and in the middle east, i think as far as beijing concern that age of hypocrisy, self righteous hypocrisy. And its not going to change the behavior, theyre going to continue to do what they do and its going to be more in trade or less in tribes in terms of trying to match up with this kind of war games mentality. I do want to get to the timing of the, of this pat shortly. But michael, whats your reaction to what i said, and does this pack make strategic sense for a strongly well, i think a lot of what we heard, its really distraction. Thats like now magic is all about nist directions. Aging has been the master is saying its everybody elses actions, not house that are causing the environment, but its quite clear that asians coercive uses span retrain its maritime militia. And its growing military power has led to this reaction and this powerful response thats creating incredible deterrents. So lets get away from distractions about is this some kind of blender makes those other soviet approach and imperialism and say it is a real hard Power Response to beijing use of hot power. Thats what this is about and it does reset the military balance, not in beijings favor. And i think thats why were hearing these strange, angry reactions from beijing come on. I mean us has suddenly to nuclear Power Attack submarines trying to has 6 there now and listening australia at the tune of about 3400000000. 00 a piece for Virginia Tax submarine with goodies. And that doesnt even begin to clued what its going to cost, and by the end of 10 years are planning to get more than a few of them. Given that your military budget is about 35000000000. 00 a year, youre going to be committing a tremendous amount into that. You know, this, this, this thing that somehow its all self righteous. Nonsense. I mean, what it, why would trying to close down the ceilings, get 80 percent of their oil, 40 percent. It goes through the ceilings. How would that actually work be pure suicide . So all this stuff about balancing and marbles in your mouth about, you know, this isnt, you know, this is a credible and their church is nonsense. This is an economic war. Australia doesnt have a foreign policy of its own and is just relying on the u. S. Which is only concur concert with being king of the hill, making sure that it has the jeremy and keeping china away. Ironically, china is an interest in that a german power that everyone says that it once paid out. Ill bring you in here, your reaction to ana. Lets keep in mind that china has been very successful economically and growing this economy and reaching out to the Belt Road Program to other countries. And this is concerning the u. S which i dont think it really should because the us should be working with china that helped develop other economy and focusing on the civilian development of human beings as opposed to just escalating a possible new cold war as well. There is a danger there still is and dont forget the us trying to have about 700000000000. 00 and trade, which could be enhanced if they would. So as long as present bite and does it makes it clear. This is not just an offense. Position is strictly defense, but it appears to china now the country that could be seen offensively, its nuclear power submarines for the 1st time. In the case of australia, youll have a country that used to do that as britain us in britain have nuclear power join submarine activity. But this is really serious answers on the situation. I think with me very careful that we dont start new cold war, which china and make purely defensive situation. I think both sides, both the germans, the people talking a minute ago. It had both really good points from different perspectives. Of course, michael, how important is it for a strongly to clarify its national interest in all of this . Well, i think thats pretty clear right now, as we speak, sharing is actively by central policy direction. Coercing is strategy as through tried around 20000000000. 00 of annual trade as direct coercive decision making profession. And the other big problem the aging has a whilst trust globally as collapsing is this enormous gap between its words and actions. So we hear why on earth, the beijing want to constrain maritime passage through the South China sea. Right at the time when the china has empowered its heavily on Coast Guard to use lethal force. Where every claims jurisdiction, which is a great expense of the South China sea, and where its now requesting information from vessels transiting us from regions that on its so this would Action Gap has led to this collapse and trust. And really this strengthening of military to terrance in the region is welcomed quietly. Im much of the region at no, i base. I know how likely is china going to use this alliance to justify expanding its own military . Well i, i dont see that china is going to be putting more effort than it already is into its military budget. There could be call for me. Yes, i can. I, there might be calls from the War Ox to try and have budget happen. 800 juncture chance, not in return to this, but recently that is going to try to draw join the a former t p p. So i think Chinas Response is going to be economic in terms of australia, this idea that australia is being constrained. Actually its, its a monetary account is better than ever due to iron or exports to china. There are other areas that have been back. And, and will gentlemen, do you have any response to what he said, this should not ask into a total new cold war or even a shooting match, which would be devastating in that part of the world if there is any kind of attempts with will taiwan, where china has already established sovereignty over territories around those areas, and they work out with hong kong, for example. Then if the us intervened, militarily, australia will be obligated to get involved material because of this deal nuclear submarines. So we could get to a dangerous position. I think all 5 should keep cool. Had this emily work, things had to come out as much as possible. I think the res, real room to clarify the understanding that we have a bache other because there is a tendency talking past each other here. And some of that can be improved by a little more self reflection, i think, certainly of bashing. Notice its breaking World Trade Organization rules with its towards if i can only if you are against a failure. And weve heard the motivations and things like the fact the destroyer would like to know our global panoramic started so that we can prevent future ones. So this is all public knowledge directly tries back to beijing statements and actions. And a little bit of acknowledgment of the gap between words and actions would be a Starting Point to dialogue. Ok, lets put the politics to aside. Now i want to talk to gentlemen about the nuclear power submarines themselves. And specifically, michael, i want to talk to you about some of the concerns around that. Scott morrison, the prime minister said a stroller is not seeking to acquire nuclear weapons or establish a civil nuclear capability. I mean, how dangerous is this going forward and what are some of the ramifications of establishing nuclear powered Submarines Way this is going to be done in partnership with the us and u. K. Ensures that the us in your cable keep making their obligations around not proliferating a nuclear weapons. And its certainly not as fairly as intent as a prime minister said to nuclear weapons. Nuclear powered submarines, an extremely powerful military technology. And they do add to the deterrent power in the, in the pacific, which is a positive regional security. The safety and environmental aspects of having nuclear submarines will be carefully managed, building on his Trailers Capacity to have visits of nuclear war ships and submarines already. And with the close technical corporation with us and u. K. Partners. So i think the nuclear power aspects of these are entirely manageable within the framework of international obligations and will be really made effective by the powerful partnership the u. K. And us and i noticed you were shaking your head there, the chinese foreign Ministry Spokesperson said that to export highly sensitive nuclear powered Submarine Technology to a strata is extremely irresponsible, double standards. Do you agree . Well, i have a slightly different take. I mean, fishing is saying that they dont like this. Obviously its going to take 10 years to deliver the one of the subs. Theyre going to have a leader could take more. And quite frankly, during that time, i think drones will proliferate and become more sophisticated. So for the price, so what did i say . 3400000000. 00 per se. You could probably create a fleet for a couple 100000 submersible drones. I could literally wait outside harbor. She identify any Passing Submarine and its not cling to them. It would be, it would be laughable. And in 10 years, quite frankly, from a Technology Perspective to have these behemoths wandering around the virtual dinosaurs. But the issue for Chinas Perspective beijing perspective is a see this as a entree into a cold war as a kind of World War one scenario where the u. S. Is creating packs and all the obliging itself to get it built. And the danger of yours that you said 11. 00 tinder sets off a World War 3, which is what nobody wants. And i would agree with my other counterpart on that and hed be talk, but you Cant Talk about saying, oh dont, were not starting a cold war when obviously you are peter, whats your take on what i said . And also i just want your thoughts on the fact that, you know, the, you can, you, us have previously only shed stories about their nuclear Defense Technology with each other. And now theres the shift. How significant is that . This is a huge step. You can say because now for the 1st time a 3rd country, australia has been sharing it to change technology. And it is, it can be seen certainly by china as being something thats dangerous for them. Because china is not a strong on nuclear or anti submarine. Nuclear Submarine Technology and in a nuclear submarine oriented will be a real problem for china. And i think this is where i think the person said that its important to turn the tone down the rhetoric and to have not talk past each other. Both sides but said talk to each other about this and then restrain themselves. You dont want to new arms rates like we had within the us and the soviet union which had to be brought under control with a lot of effort. You dont want to have that again here, and also forget wars can start to miscalculation while war one is Barbara Tuchman said the story, and we start to miscalculation mis judgement. And this can happen as a Tinderbox Situation could arise here. So i do believe that its important that we to make sure that both sides and the leadership and the diplomats work hard on this to ensure that this does not get out of Control Or Spark something that we would never be able to bring back to control on that, michael, is there an expectation that if there is some sort of major conflict over taiwan or the South China say that these units would be deployed in the midst of that think does any douse really . If paging, acted to use force to try and change the status of taiwan, that america and partners and allies, including his trailer, you would become involved. And thats a matter of national interest and regional security. And i hope thats understood in beijing. In fact, its these kinds of scenarios that are leading to the some fortunate made to increase military deterrents. But i wanted to mention one point about the idea that firstly nuclear submarines is somehow going to be guided technology. I think thats a scenario, but theres no real evidence to show thats the case of this partnership. The failure you as you can partnership as near term capability, benefits to including in the under see domain, which is the layer of disadvantage for pricing. So in the interest of not having miscalculations, i wouldnt on aging thinking that near term additions to take a committee on happening under these topics should they will michael just on the discussion around time lines for my prime minister, Kevin Rod says, and i quote, a strongly or is being left strategically naked for 20 years because some of suggesting that the Submarine Program may not be available until until 2040. Do you agree with the sentiment that will will be left strategically naked for 20 years . No, i dont. I think the sooner these Submarines Content data, but as i say there will be a series of other important capability improvements. Well before that time prime, including in the under siege on mine, i would be shocked not to say affective on may and under C Capability shared between these important atlas. And indeed also i would expect to see them in the, on partnership. An important trial actually like us and one and of course with south korea. So theres a growing range of capabilities, the enter, the deterrent picture. Now rachel, and thats well before the 1st, the sufferings turns up on a china has told the lions to abandon its cold War Mentality or risk coming its own interests. Is that a direct threat . Know it. I mean, they see it is a cold war. Ready other, its going to be a response. Its probably going to be in trade, but i think what it means is that try to pursue its economics more regionally, and that will have in effect, remember its the largest market out there. Australia depends on it. The u. S. Needs europe, needs it, great britain needs it or that you think they did, but i mean, politics has played a role here. You know, obviously australias the prime minister is, is reeling from this was scandal involving one of his ministers and some mysterious money that showed up for his legal funds. Boris is re shuffled his cabinets biden is under attack because of the handling of the afghan war. So, and you know, things, but theres one other aspect that i want to mention here. I mean, pores johnson made this thing about 3 english speaking nations getting together. I dont know that thats going to sit well, not only with china, but with the rest of us the on this idea that somehow english speaking people. I have a, you know, some sort of superiority and should be taking on the world and teaching. Everybody smacks of Colonialism And Racism while we only have one minute to go off the program. So i just wanted to get some final thoughts quickly pay to your response to honor and perhaps a solution going forward. Absolutely, we need to avoid that impression and i think was john to statement was not that well taken. And instead, there should be cooperation, diplomacy and a handle on not talking package i mentioned before, but talking with each other, both sides and to ensure theres no miscalculation. And this is a very serious step forward that went and it has to be brought under control. So i would say look forward to that. Well, we appreciate all of your insights in this robust discussion as always, thank you very much to our guests. We have paid matthews, Michael Shoe Bridge and on attacking them. And thank you to for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website Al Jazeera Dot Com, and for further discussion, go to our Facebook Page that facebook Dot Com forward slash i j. Inside story. You can also join the conversation on twitter. 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