To death while trying to force their way into Complet Port on saturday. Rob mcbride has more from cobble that still seems to be the same levels of k us at the, the airport. Its very difficult to see just what the N Today is going to be. Its still thronged by people outside the for many of them saying that they have legitimate documents. They are eligible to get on in a vacuum issue. Flight. But just trying to process those people amongst all the chaos and trying to see how theyre going to get on flights through the gate, through the taliban checkpoint, its very difficult. And then of course, there are hundreds, if not thousands of other people really just trying their luck, just going to the apple stating that the, both on the off chance they might might get something. Well, afghans who fled their homelands have spoken of the despair of leaving loved ones behind and uncertainty about what happens next. Hundreds of evacuees are being temporarily hosted in castle while arrangements are made for them to travel on to a 3rd country. One woman said shed never thought of leaving us get this done before the ton of an takeover left her. No choice. Israel has carried out asked, likes in the Gaza Strip off to protest on the Border Security forces injured at least 41. 00. Palestinian demonstrates, as israel said, protested, threw rocks and explosives at the board of fence. Thousands of parents and teachers in peru have rallied for the government to reopen schools in person. Classes were suspended in december of 2019. Thats when the government closed all education facilities because of the corona virus pandemic. Millions of people in the u. S. East coast to being one to prepare as hurricane only approaches the storms expected to make landfall at long island in New York state. Later on sunday x, but they only will be the 1st Hurricane to make landfill in the region in more than 30 years inside story is next. Ill have more news on this channel in 30 minutes. Ill see you that the taliban has taken control of afghanistan. 20 years also, it was supposed from power. The country now faces a new reality. How will that impact the people as events unfold in the world, react day with the latest News And Analysis from us going to head by earthquake storms and cove is, hey, t limb from crisis to crisis. But on natural events alone to blame for the tough life facing haitian and this international intervention really healthy. This is inside story. Ah hello and welcome to the show. Im sam is a dan, its a nation thats long suffered from natural disasters in political turmoil. Hated once again devastated by a powerful earthquake. The tragedy has been accelerated by a trouble called storm on top of a pan demik. At least 2000 people have been killed. Many more displaced, hospitals are overwhelmed. Thats while the countries yet to elect a new president after the assassination of Jovan Envoys last month, laid is trickling in slowly and agencies are struggling to get food and urgent medical care to those in need. Well discuss whats behind that shortly. But 1st, John Holman reports haitian prime minister the Laundry Riding of his 1st Press Conference since in Earthquake Rip through the country, south west, leaving more than 130000 families homeless. We had a lot of questions about his governments handling of the disaster, especially why a week later, a still not getting to the many destroyed villages close to the epicenter. One of the regions has been completely flat and this lies in we went to last year and they said they havent had any one from the government coming up for them made when they took, he told them to white to that. Why are they not getting a sooner since 98 percent of the houses are destroyed . But the prime minister chose not to answer the question. Passing the mike to his head of civil protection, we are formulating a Response Or Mechanism is in action. Evidently, we have some issues related to security, but we are doing our best to accelerate the process. But its not just the villages lacking aid. Its the cities too. And we also went to like a, an in the cave as a camp full of people just not even just sticks with top pulling above in the area. Presumably you can get to but they also said they havent seen anyone from the government. Why havent they received any help either . Like i said, our response is ongoing. I know there was distribution in Lake Guy using our methodology. It may happen that you didnt go to where we were distributing. But as a huge problem with distribution that the prime minister had so far, only vaguely alluded to something that were talking about. Theres a stretch of the road from here to like tie, which is really difficult to get a down because its controlled by gangs. What is your government doing to try and figure out that road and also to try and stop those gangs . Theyve also kidnapped and orthopedic surgeon, or the last couple of days. What is your government doing about the the 1st thing to say is that the southern route is better now. Were working hard to make it permanently safe, so people can circulate without any risk. Also the Press Conference, the Deputy Secretary General of the united nations. What the journalist asked could be done to stop the mistakes made off the monstrous 2010 of quake. When the Rebuilding Process was flawed, at best. What we have to do different, different things to take the leadership to build the institutions capacity. I would often say that there are no gaps. There are. This is a different situation, requires a different response. Seeing will be believing for the many watching on, and those desperate homeless and still waiting for help. John home and how does it put the Prince Country to what you might think haiti is not the country most hit by natural disasters. According to a 2020 report japan, the netherlands in greece, all more exposed to extreme weather events, both in terms of numbers and severity. But haiti lags behind in its ability to deal with them. Lets have a closer look at some of that now. Then haitis, emergency services and hospitals dont have enough capacity. For example, its small airports struggle to receive aid, Gang Violence and road insecurity, pose logistical challenges for aid groups. Corruption is also a problem. 92000000000. 00 given to haiti by venezuela since the 2010 earthquake is reported to have been wasted or embezzled by former government officials. Inflation is high, Food And Fuel is scarce. Almost 60 percent of the population has to survive on less than 2. 00 a day. That spring on guess into the show now have joining us from washington, d. C. U genie, a charles, the Executive Director of fun, dusty on the who and organization delivering aid in haiti. She also hosts a Radio Show focused on social and political issues there in florida. Joseph, our old pierre academic and political consultant on haiti and latin. Hes also a political, grassroots Leader And Founder of napster, thats an organization promoting Development And Democracy in haiti. And in washington, d. C. J. Johnston, senior Research Associate at the center for economic and Policy Research is also the Lead Author of their report. Haiti Relief And Reconstruction watch blog, a warm welcome to will. Lets start with eugene. So ive got a comparison, eugene here. Its done by the Development Help Alliance and geo ranks haiti, and the Dominican Republic as equal in their exposure to extreme natural weather events. They of course, share the same sort of geography and the same island. In fact, yet haiti is ranks as way more vulnerable than the Dominican Republic. Clearly, this is not the suffering the haitian face is not just about natural disasters, right . There are other issues that play here in terms of haiti. We are definitely in problem to natural disaster as you know, we are in the past of how it came anytime. And we are in the midst of the Hurricane Season of using, with also experience to major a critical the we have had a quick call before i accept that. And dispute us time, you seeing them back to back within a period of 11 years doing the hurricane time as we suffer as much devastations when it cross the path of the Dominican Republic as well. But i think the difference is that in the d all day, a government has utilized the resources available to provide services or at least build the proper infrastructure to be able to better handle those disaster one day occurred in my homeland. Unfortunately, the resources has not been utilized in that capacity to build the proper infrastructure as ought to have the resources available to provide the necessary services doing those type of natural disaster. Ok, so right now at the victim its from this quick which impacts the we geographical departments, the south, which most people know as i go by dance. Most people know as me and denise department, which is where im from and my area is for bad. Yeah. It is the county which is the new department and there is devastated all of the houses. Ive been collapse. We only had one health care center. It is not functioning at the moment. A lot of people who suffered injuries doing the earthquake, some of them are not dying as a result of lack of medical care, so we need to do better. All right, so let me bring in jake into the discussion off the question of why have haitian authorities been less able to deal to, to rally the resources as eugenia was pointing out there to deal with these kinds of challenges. The event may be natural, but the disaster is just as much human made, right. And when were talking about the lack of adequate response, we have to talk about root causes here. And, you know, we could go back centuries really, to the Haitis Founding and the debt the extorted from france after its successful successful Slave Revolt in 18 o 4 and even more recent decades. You know, the intervention of the international community which is overthrown, governments overturned electro results and cause the political instability that has been blamed for many of the problems with relief efforts. And i think we can also go to the 2010 earthquake and look at the legacy of that which again, 13000000000. 00 after that Earthquake Pledge to help haiti build back better. Right. And as we see today, so much of that money has been squandered, wasted, and really then were looking at what are the problems with the foreign Aid System itself and, and why havent those resources actually gone to the needs and benefit of the haitian people . And you know, thats a much different story. Lets break some of that down. Lots one pack. Then let me take this question to joseph joseph. Ive also got another fact here, if youre born in haiti instead of the Dominican Republic, which as i mentioned, she has the same ireland. You will almost 3 times more likely to be poor. Youre almost twice as likely to be unemployed and likely to live 10 years left according to World Bank data. Can the differences between the 2 or to what extent can they be put down to the different colonial experiences of haiti versus the Dominican Republic . But you know, the to just started out from a very different starting point. Oh, i think its true. Got to be for the, the, the different kind of colonization. Each of these 2 countries are, has experience on of your fully impact on the history of the, on the colonization of the public walls. But the goal is settlement correlation. Why do you want to 80 was an explanation colonization, but ah, for me, from history go. Israel is important view, Bit Man is sure is not really ah, the colonization. I think its, its the explained by the political actors that we have in have the, i think, to understand the difference between hate in the rain republic. We have to focus on all but equal actors from one side and on the other side to help the for goes on to some extent of what i call all cultural institution in haiti. We dont have the political actors that we need to make the drive, the change that the Media Public has experience in haiti, we have it centered along system where all politicians are political actors, do not act for the common good. But did they just are full dirt in their most cruel people and obviously for themselves, but in the meant probably it gone through. I know very well. Obviously we can have a level of option bought all political actors right for the Gallantry And Beat infrastructures and try to develop the gantry. So i think not dis or explanation is for ok. So you convert that thats more of a of a factor is the governance . Well, i could see that you genia was kind of shaking her head, i think in disagreement. She wants to come in. So let me bring you in. Then go ahead eugenia. All. Thank you, from the aspects of a young haitian being more likely to the pool and have to leave the country to seek employment elsewhere. Why are the young dominican Stays Home and may work and, or if they get an education elsewhere, they will come back home and work is that the colonial system is still there. We watch a factor. Our Education System do not educate haitians most need to care for. He, we are shram to come to the United States. We are trained to go to canada. We are trying to go to french. So a change in our educational system in teaching haitians to be loyal to haiti is the 1st biology. When you are using traditional system, what if we weapons is bathed in an outside country, then you are not properly ready to serve the country. That is, why do you that we education and in terms of the politicians . Yes, we have some cool apology. Sions in haiti, but also the international community. Have the hands on the neck of haiti when election is taking place. Unless the person whos getting into office is somebody who is willing to lay down and cater to the need of the international community with the past they have not allowed isnt digital who are close and attached to the haitian people. Do we men into office . We can usually try as an example, you can use of no more you election as another example, or you can use michelle monte, its election as an aside example, Eugenia Wouldnt Tell of the critics of those lead to say that in all the cases their rule could be questioned in terms of both elections and democratic practice. The ruling can be questioned, and yes, they have been bad wars, but who put them into office when the haitian population go to the polls. These people were at the bottom of the, it was the international energy, particularly in the us, have that pushed in people to become the font. Can let that. Let me give a chance. I can see that joseph wants to come back and hes shaking his head in disagreement. Go ahead, joseph, and then well give a chance to jake. Yes, thank you. Ah. First of all, i think when, when you are trying to, to come by, what do you all statement of pretty haiti. Why do we, what hes hop, any we to haitian Education System . What, what i have seen a lot not make and down trees in domain going to pull it. And all those is even was with respect to are we friends abroad, Dominican Republic. There we friends in the United States or spain, they dont have it so many can. It was in the system. And if you got to all a lot and i make it down there we friends, i dot or both did spring or not the states what the Fact Dot we have for instance fronts as we french. I dont think it is the model what, what it weiss, latin american, dont. Joseph. All the factors of the colonial heritage, the debilitating debt imposed by france upon independence. The u. S. And western halts the occupations of haiti, the aggressive over exhausting of land resources by colonial powers. Yes, this could be a very good explanation because the debt paid by haiti to friends has mit beyond the poor and poorer. Ok, i think this, this is a highly negative impact on our, our have the development or how it is a hindrance to haiti development. However, it is very important to say as well, are based on the kind of what he does not always having to dont treat up. Even haiti has points in white. Now, are these iran dirt, the 1000000000. 00, all dot they give to the country, give to friends, if possible, that our situation would be was why there is what we call an economy. The dutch, this is when we have, we saw, sees what we dont have the capacity to manage them. This could event rawlson distortion. This is the case in venezuela. So it can manage resources. All right, let me take about point to j can say, why have successive haitian of the have been election processes in haiti . Why have successive leaders and administrations failed to deal with corruption with crime with Gangs Poverty as well as natural disasters . Why the failure is that joseph pointed out that a failure to manage ones resources. Can it be all put down to manipulation by the international community as eugenia was, was perhaps alluding to look. I think there are met myriad factors, but i think you can ignore that, right. And when you look at the electoral system in the political system in haiti, right, you have to look at the role of the international actors for the last 30 years. Really, you know, there has been a broad Base Nation Building program supported by international actors where they spent tens of billions of dollars to try and develop haiti. And what we often see is this sort of separation of, of a, the development and the political situation. And we cant see those things as, as the link to their intimately involved. And when you look at the last 2 electoral processes, specifically in 2010 and in 2016, these both occurred in the aftermath of natural disasters in humanitarian situations. Right . And in 2010, you had the international community, directly intervene and overturned the results of that election. And so when you have a government who isnt legitimate, who doesnt have the credibility, who doesnt have a mandate and who isnt implementing meeting reforms, you have to look at, why are they there in the 1st place . Right. And i think that is so much of what youre doing is getting to and i think again, thats extremely important today in the aftermath of the recent earthquake, where there is questions around what comes next in terms of the political situation. And its gonna be extremely important that that process is not determined once again by outside actors. But if that haitians were able to take the lead and able to do that. And i think if youre looking for sustainable development, thats the answer there is that situation that solutions cannot be imposed from abroad. The solution is going to have to come from inside havi. When we look at inside haiti, eugenia is the country now facing a perfect storm of natural disasters, Health Crisis because of covert, of course, political uncertainty because of the assassination of the president. Rising Gang Violence and even now disruption of 8 operations is a country heading towards some kind of collapse. Oh, we are having a lot of issues. Theres no dispute about that collapsing. Im not there yet, and i dont, i think we still have what to do. The thing is, i believe we, as haitians have a responsibility to brace ourselves and come to get asked, can say, doing after our independence. We did not have a moment to sit down and strategize because our founding father was assassinated. Very early on. You can see in the United States, after you went to all their own shovel, they had time to strategize and decide what system they were going to put in place we haitian, need to pull together, get to the Table And Dialogue to put together a short Term Plan a medium and a long Term Planning for haiti they, we are going to be something that you know, who can do that. When lot of the politicians are seen as very focused on the one percent interest. If not tied with criminal gangs who is looking for that sort of national Interest Perspective and can sit down and make the sort of plan. Youre all. There are a lot of haitians in the diaspora and within haiti wants to focus in eagerly fighting on the street and at the table talking. They are being silent because at the end of the day as much, we may not want to talk about imperialism and handle certain country like the us. They are the major players, whatever political accord is negotiated or talked about. At the end of the day, it has to get the approval of the us. And if hes not showing to the need on the interest of the us, they will not be looked at. So in a sense, we have moved to do a 2nd independence to we the mental liberally from our minds, from our souls and begin look on haiti and being loyal to haiti and not loyal to the us out of us for the us. Green card medications may disagree with me and get, madam you are in. Yes, i mean im a guy was forced to, to this country because the u. S. Good. The 1st elected president and haiti. So those of us who are willing and able to go back there, we want to go there. But when you have an international community, right, so purpose, it tend to start school in april. The was what was, was you to mention power because that benefits them. That process needs to change the population has been for you on the street demonstrating. All right, let me bring inch, let me bring in joseph and ask that question. Do you think global interest is rising for some sort of new international intervention in haiti . Ah, i dont think there is, went now global surest all for intervention. And he bought, i think right now all international intervention is for me necessarily in haiti. Ah, i think that im, im trying to be realistic for me from our international Relations Point of view, because necessarily, can it be why it be useful . I mean, the last round of view i knew i was, i was trying to root out left, his supporters after they were thrown on buttons are steed it was, it wasnt seen as a very healthy intervention. Was it . I no, no, no, it wasnt international interventions in hey did have all are all res, are filled all the interventions are always filled. What do we have to know . Why goes interventions . How filled and once they get it, ill say white, now its i would say its necessary. Why . Because beulah state, the 1st Step is secuity. What the international police then the haitian police, the haitian state, do not have the capacity for now to all to provide a minimum of security to the haitian people. And in such sequences, we need help for the ball. Ok, i think we why, why the international very, very brings me to hop. Why didnt the committee has always fill in haiti. I think the international community has its own interest and in haiti, we need does to negotiate with them and our and to get ok. What relation we got 30 seconds want to quickly give it to jake. Can there be an international intervention that looks out for haitian interest and who had forced upon global powers . 30 seconds, jake. Yeah. Who if history is any guide . The answer is clearly no, and we look at the Security Situation and the history here. I mean, the international community, again, has spent billions of dollars to build the haitian police to implant and impose interface with foreign troops. And these have not caused any long term benefits in terms of security, right . So i think again, we see these constant short term solutions that are prioritizing outside interest over those patients. The solutions, not an intervention, but empowering agents and Standing And Solidarity with agents to take charge of their own country. But we are out of time now. So lets thank our guests, eugenia charles, joseph, out of Pierre And Jake johnston. And thank you to forward, you can see the show again any time by visiting our website Al Jazeera Dot Com for further Discussion Head over to our facebook page. Thats facebook Dot Com, Forward Slash a j inside story. You can also join the conversation on twitter. Our handle is at a j inside story. From me, sammy say that and the whole team here for now its goodbye ah. Challenging the brazilian dictatorship, the democratically run football team, lindsay and change the course of the nation. 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